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Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:41:00 - [1] Ok, I like to wander round and PVP solo, from Battleships to Assault Frigates,,,you name it. Now im roaming in a Wolf, i see an 2 Rifters and a Maladiction and a Taranis. Now i have taken down bigger and i know i can take these guys, i engage and kill the 2 rifters and Maladiction. The Taranis pilot orbits me at 18km keeps me scrammed long enough for his buddy in a vagabond to arrive and kill me. He then proceeds to call me a noob, and to learn how to fly. Is their no such thing as Bravery any more? 2nd Example, Im in a Typhoon, I have Tech2 Heavy Drones and Tech2 Cruise. Its a nasty ship with a decent tank. I come across a Raven and a Megathron, now through experiance im sure i could take them, its risky, but im sure id hold my own against them so i engage. Unfortunately the Raven had Tech2 Siege and the Megathron had Tech2 Blasters. Obviously im eventually killed and proceeded to hear... "Haha Noob, what the hell made you think you cud win that,,,,noob" Is their such thing as taking a risk anymore? Such thing as being brave? Personally, if i am travelling somebody engages me when im in a combat ship, i respect that person, i give them credit whether they succseed or fail in killing me. Their is too much of the OMG I MIGHT LOSE SO IM GONNA GET 10 GANGMATES in this game atm. Why when people Blob their targets get ridiculed, and why when i take a chance, sometimes i win but the times i lose im referred to as a noob? No respect in this game anymore, come on people....Show some. Drake
Palitir Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:46:00 - [2] It's the way of eve to alot of people. Although, there are alot of people who like a good fight and dont smack about it. It cant be helped if the other people just want to wave an e-peen. ========================= Sponsored to bring you grief by the Bounty Channel.
Mallikanth Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:47:00 - [3] Although I'm no accomplished pilot like yourself I know where you're coming from. I get the impression (and I admit I could be totally wrong) that the demographics of the game are slowly changing as EVE gets more and more popular. The users are perhaps getting younger on average and the general 'attitude' of the game is changing. However, there are, and always will be, exceptions to the above as you can testify for yourself. For what it's worth I admire what you did. Respect. The difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:48:00 - [4] its the counterstrike groupies that have infected eve. There many however who will give kudos for fighting them against the odds as it should be. But it seems the trend indeed to instead insult them for losing their ships. The quest for killmails has changed eve over time. Focus is on the kill rather than the fight, does annoy me many a time. I think we need a name and shaming tbh :)
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:48:00 - [5] People will always use whatever force they have available. Their smack was lame, but their use of greater force was legitimate. Clearly two Rifters, a Malediction and a Taranis were not sufficient to kill you (well done), so they were well within their rights to bring in reinforcements. The only thing they did wrong was smack afterwards. Everything else, fair play to them, and to you.
weedmasta Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:50:00 - [6] Oh cry me a river. You sound like a primary school kid crying to his mom "He called me a sissy". Everyone takes chances and risk, I for one could care less if i am being called a noob or whatever. I win, i am happy, i loose, i learn from my mistakes, i don't give a ****e what my target/s think, nor should you.
Arowe Telak Warped Mining	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:50:00 - [7] It seems to me that as the game's population expands the median age of the population is decreasing. I see more and more people acting like tards all the time. It's part of the reason why I stay in 0.0, but as you pointed out there are tards in 0.0 too. Don't know what else to say, unfortunately. I know that a small frig gang that I was in last night engaged a superior force of battlecruisers and whatnot and lost all our ships, but we were expecting it in hopes of getting a killamil or two out of it. So there are still some of us out there like you. Just kind of the way it is I guess. Better luck next time. Sigs are overrated.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:55:00 - [8] Edited by: Hllaxiu on 20/12/2006 19:55:35 The difference between bravery and foolishness is that its bravery if you pull it off, foolish if you die. RL example: charging a machine gun nest as infantry (suicidal, but might work) or calling in an air strike. It'd be foolish to do the former if you can do the latter. that said: ganking someone and then smacking them in local is poor form. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Nimie	Posted - 2006.12.20 19:56:00 - [9] i think you exaggerate youself when you call stuff like this brave. it is just a bit of fun and thrill seeking and that's the end of it.
Detavi Kade	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:03:00 - [10] I won't call what you did as 'brave'. I mean come on, we sit at a computer, and the worst that can happen is we fall out of our chair or something. But their smacktalk is really uncalled for. Kudos to you for taking a chance and engaging superior numbers. I would just ignore their chat and play on. People are what they are. No need to read anything 'more' into it. On the other hand, next time you see these folks, just engage with far superior numbers and gank their arses. Originally by: oveur EVE is primarily a PVP game from the following dev post
mendalev Gallente Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:08:00 - [11] completly agree with the OP, there are too many people taking bravery and ballsiness as sheer noobishes (if that is a word) a person who goes into a fight who is outnumbered outgunned and stays and fights should always be given kudos imo. so i give kudos to you Drake, keep flying ballsy and brave Win The Forums
Bacchylides	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:08:00 - [12] Lots of responses here that I agree with. I do think that the quest for killmails is ruining EVE, although at the same time I've read that without them alliance smack is out of control. I myself never really understood the need to insult an agressor. Usually what happens is that I like to congratulate them afterwards on a satisfying engagement (mostly regardless of the outcome) and quiz them on their set-ups, get advice and so on, provided they have the time. I agree with the poster that the issue you're exploring really isn't bravery. I'd describe it more as sportmanship, an appreciation for combat, manners. I completely understand where you're coming from with the Taranis engagement, frigate-cruiser combat is awesome. What I don't understand is why you went toe-to-toe against a Raven and a Mega. Did you not check their hardpoints using in-game graphics to identify what weapons they were packing? Heh, that's a perfect example of how I would have reacted after combat - asking questions and trying to get inside the opponents head. Long story short - many EVE players need to chill and take the game less seriously, and get some manners.
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:10:00 - [13] there is a difference between bravery and stupidity SOLO PVP SETUPZ: RAVEN/DRAKE
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:12:00 - [14] the typhoon one is understandable...alot of people underestimate it, and those two ships prolly really thought you were dumb to engage them...even tho you knew better. the taranis one makes me laugh.....you kill his 3 gang mates, and he still calls you a newb simply cause he is faster? That one is just silly. should have deagressed to jump out (assuming you were near a gate) Course, then hed smack about you running away. its best to ignore the idiots. sadly tho, their numbers are rising. Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:12:00 - [15] welcome to the world of a PVP game. in general raw pvp attracts a large number of idiots who only care about how many kills they get and not how they get them and how much trash they can talk. they do not respect someone having a big pair of brass ones. long gone from pretty much any mmo with pvp is the good fight attitude. maybe things will change if freelance pvp gets a purpose via empire wars(ie a purpose other then loot and killmails)
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker welcome to the world of a PVP game. in general raw pvp attracts a large number of idiots who only care about how many kills they get and not how they get them and how much trash they can talk. they do not respect someone having a big pair of brass ones. long gone from pretty much any mmo with pvp is the good fight attitude. maybe things will change if freelance pvp gets a purpose via empire wars(ie a purpose other then loot and killmails) u can always join privateers 10 largest alliances they are at war with always insta gank a good idea for the solo player sure u get to kill lots of haulers as well but its fun These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Too Kind	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:26:00 - [17] Sometimes some EVE players behave like kids. Enough said. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
Falcione Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:33:00 - [18] Funny story on a similar vein. I was out traveling in deep 0.0 looking for a fight in my typhoon. After about 2 hours (not sure how I managed to find no one in all that time) I finally find someone at a station with an Apoc. After challenging him, to a fight, he docks up and undocks again in a Carrier... After 12 fighters finish ripping my Phoon apart, I tell him " kinda unfair..but ok". I was about to say good fight / fly safe and all that stuff, when he posts in local. "Don't bring a kinfe to a gunfight" That just blew my mind... he was too scared to fight me in his apoc, so he brings out a capital ship, then tells me not to bring an inferior ship to battle... All in all, you just can't let 'em get to ya... there are a ton out there. Even in 0.0
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Falcione All in all, you just can't let 'em get to ya... there are a ton out there. Even in 0.0 Your story does not surprise me, I could list several people I know who look good on paper, fly top of the line gear, and are complete retards.
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:08:00 - [20] People take their victories where they can. This is true for any game, or simply anywhere on the internet. They see a chance to be bigger than someone, they take it. IRL we don't have this problem, because its that much harder to feel bigger than a person. Knowing that their smack affects you gives them a second victory. It is a sad state of things but it is the way things are. All you can really do is laugh at how miserable our society is as a whole thanks to our obsession with needing to put each other down. I needed more isk, so I took a risk. I mined some ore then fled once more. I'll return to the core to escape the war!
DefJam101 Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:10:00 - [21] At least 60% of the EVE population values money and cheap kills over fun, it's just a fact solo. Post Kali just made it harder to solo PvP, so now anyone who enjoys soloing(like me) is screwed, since no one gives a damn about fun they just want to win. 10 player "pirating" squads are pretty boring for me, unless the purpose is to inflict financial damage on the enemy... *** Sorry mods, edited sig and forgot to save for web.
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Is their no such thing as Bravery any more? Oh that's SO 2006. I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:13:00 - [23] What would had you done if were in the enemy's positsion? Oh, right, just 1v1d and been happy and "honourable"?
DefJam101 Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:13:00 - [24] BTW that scenario with the Ranis scramming you would be probably the one good time to log off :P. He wasn't shooting you anyways, theoretically you could've logged off because you weren't in combat, he should've killed you but you wasn't capable of doing so Although logging is still teh ghey, it would be funny ^^ *** Sorry mods, edited sig and forgot to save for web.
DefJam101 Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Zanarkand What would had you done if were in the enemy's positsion? Oh, right, just 1v1d and been happy and "honourable"? It's not about honor it's about enjoying the game you play. *** Sorry mods, edited sig and forgot to save for web.
Removal Tool Flashman Services Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:33:00 - [26] My short story: I'm in my AC Tempest, I log into a 0.0 system and there's a Vagabond at the planet where I logged in. He warps off, challenges me to a fight, and calls me a noob. I accept by warping to the planet he said to meet at. He assumes that I am fit for sniping so he gets right on me. I web him and pop him. He becomes more polite. I say "sorry about your HAC" he blames lag for his loss and runs his pod out of the system. I hope that I taught him some manners. http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b157/blacklabelsar/BoSSiggyFinal.jpg Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allowed. Mail us if you have any questions -Eldo Fight with your heart and balls!
Xanra	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:59:00 - [27] Because the battle.net kiddies, the Halo kiddies, and the Counter-strike kiddies have finally branched out into other games, and Eve-online is one of them. These kiddies have standardized (for the aforementioned games) what the general attitude is supposed to be, and they don't know any different.
Lygos Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.20 21:59:00 - [28] Welcome to the Monkeysphere. --- T2 Risk Corp Divisions
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.12.20 22:03:00 - [29] Edited by: Nicocat on 20/12/2006 22:04:46 I only scream for help if I get into too much ** to get out of. Although sometimes it's preemptive =P I also give a "gf" if someone has the cohones to fight fair. Bravery is quite alive, but thanks to Kali, the blob is a much more common way to go. I mostly call in support when I expect the enemy is about to do the same. Call it pre-emptive anti-OMGWTFGANK tactics. I really don't like ganks, myself. I love that heart-stopping rush of mortal, down-to-structure combat, 1 on 1. Or even 1 on 2. It's a hoot, I tells ya. ---------------------------- Originally by:** Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 22:57:00 - [30] Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 20/12/2006 23:01:05 Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 20/12/2006 22:59:29 Nice to see a lot of respectfull replies, Just to clear things up, most of the time people say things like this i really dont care. What does bother me is the lack of respect. Imagine this, You are in a Megathron, your buddie is in a Tempest camping a gate. Somebody arrives at the gate on insta in a Raven. Instead of jumping through he engages. You are their for a fight at your buddy is there so your enjoying yourself. The Raven pilots gets you to 20% armor then finally dies at the guns of you and your buddy. What would you say to the Raven pilot (Now shipless) in local? because i know a lot of the community today would taunt him, call him a 'noob' for nothing more than taking a risk, beign "darefull" or 'brave' I agree with an earlier point that "Bravery" maybe isnt the right word. But it was a choice to engage whe he knew the odds were against him, maybe the word "confident" or "darefull". What i dont like is the lack of respect, even silence would be a respectfull end to a fight. But no they have to reduce themselves to personally insulting you, even if they have no standings towards you. Personally i would say "GF" in local, i say this after every fight that i have enjoyed, if i think i died to a gank i usually try to remain silent. CAN I JUST ADD HERE, THIS HAS NO RELATION TO THE BOB WAR, ALTHOUGH BOB ARE DUBIOUS ON THE FORUMS, THE MAJORITY OF BOB PILOTS ARE VERY RESPECTFUL IN LOCAL, AND ITS APPRECIATED AND FAVOUR RETURN BY THE MAJORITY OF OUR PILOTS
Raneru Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:01:00 - [31] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Ok, Is their such thing as taking a risk anymore? Such thing as being brave? Sadly, solo PvP is increasingly scarce. I had a similar scenario the other day where I jumped into a gang of 3/4 larger ships with their covops orbiting the gate. he was really close to my taranis while i was still cloaked and was off the other guys so i figured go for it. Sadly, I didnt know their inty was incoming so I died before the covops did. 1 ship lost but that was the risk I took to have some fun. Are you famous? Check Here!
KenDoll	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Bravery have no place in a war because taking risks is a sure way to die. And with the costs of ships chances people want to take chances are pretty low.People say "fly what you can afford to loose" a good point. But when your enemy brings t2, you have to follow. Its called evolution. Its follow in the steps of your enemy or back off. Thats also why so many returns to empire (like me btw) Also cowardness = survival. Shoot when your enemy have his back to you, and run as hell when he turns. Unless you got the upper hand ofcource. Survival of the fittest. Where the brave die young and the cowards grow old and fat. could'nt agree more with this post, way to many Whiners in here complaining about what is in effect a duel... well this aint no Dueling game and some of us dont like to risk Ships to Dice roll mechanics and lose weeks of progress in claiming that ship in the first place. if you want to duel go back to CS or halo, or WoW if thats more your thing.
Raneru Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:14:00 - [33] This isnt about duelling its about taking risks. If you don't push the boundaries of what you thought u were capable of, how do you become a better pilot? Are you famous? Check Here!
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:16:00 - [34] Originally by: KenDoll Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Bravery have no place in a war because taking risks is a sure way to die. And with the costs of ships chances people want to take chances are pretty low.People say "fly what you can afford to loose" a good point. But when your enemy brings t2, you have to follow. Its called evolution. Its follow in the steps of your enemy or back off. Thats also why so many returns to empire (like me btw) Also cowardness = survival. Shoot when your enemy have his back to you, and run as hell when he turns. Unless you got the upper hand ofcource. Survival of the fittest. Where the brave die young and the cowards grow old and fat. could'nt agree more with this post, way to many Whiners in here complaining about what is in effect a duel... well this aint no Dueling game and some of us dont like to risk Ships to Dice roll mechanics and lose weeks of progress in claiming that ship in the first place. if you want to duel go back to CS or halo, or WoW if thats more your thing. One might argue that this is the attitute which is turning the game sour
RichThugster Gallente Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:16:00 - [35] tbh the first case is pretty sad. but it depends how long you had, if you carried on aggressing him until the vaga appeared, when you would have had time to de-aggress and jump then your a tard. second case, if i had been the raven/mega i would have said "Haha Noob, what the hell made you think you cud win that,,,,noob" just read your example out on comms and got the same response REVELATIONS RECRUITING NOW
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:18:00 - [36] Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 20/12/2006 23:19:32 The first example wasnt at a gate, this was at a station i didnt have access to dock at within 0.0. This also was a few months ago, was only using it as an example
Tissaphernes	Posted - 2006.12.20 23:58:00 - [37] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Originally by: KenDoll Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Bravery have no place in a war because taking risks is a sure way to die. And with the costs of ships chances people want to take chances are pretty low.People say "fly what you can afford to loose" a good point. But when your enemy brings t2, you have to follow. Its called evolution. Its follow in the steps of your enemy or back off. Thats also why so many returns to empire (like me btw) Also cowardness = survival. Shoot when your enemy have his back to you, and run as hell when he turns. Unless you got the upper hand ofcource. Survival of the fittest. Where the brave die young and the cowards grow old and fat. could'nt agree more with this post, way to many Whiners in here complaining about what is in effect a duel... well this aint no Dueling game and some of us dont like to risk Ships to Dice roll mechanics and lose weeks of progress in claiming that ship in the first place. if you want to duel go back to CS or halo, or WoW if thats more your thing. One might argue that this is the attitute which is turning the game sour And if you argued that, I'd agree with you. Back when I used to solo-pirate in low-sec often, it was people with that attitude that smacked me the most by far. Saying that they'd spent every last penny on their ship and now they were back to square one. Saying that there's no way they were going to risk losing their expensive ship in a 1v1 so they cheated. And other such instances. It's a common mindset in this game that ship quality and equipment quality is the same thing as advancement, or gaining levels, for example. This goes hand in hand with the Counter-Strike comparable 'kill-board' mentality. These dynamics and standards dilute the quality of the game. The best fights I ever won were the ones were the odds were stacked against me, and if I over-valued my ship or became obsessed with kill performance these fights would never have happened. Playing like a coward might net you more virtual money, but you're playing this game to have fun.
Soporo	Posted - 2006.12.21 00:14:00 - [38] Pfft, bravery in EVE is directly related to what you can afford. As for the smacking, it paints them as either CS type clickfest morons, or youngins or both probably.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2006.12.21 00:31:00 - [39] My personal opinion of why the PvP are skewing toward more cowardness, can be directly traced towards ship costs. Before not many had skills to fly t2. If any at all. and since the t1 have innsurance payout close to the price people could afford going 1 vs 1. Today this dont hold true anymore. Many corp and alliances ask their people "Can you fly t2?" It have become directly tied to memberships. Why? Because your and their enemies will fly them! its a simple as that. And if your enemy are flying them, you better fly one too, or outnumber them. If not you will not have the advantage. Im not saying you cant win. Ofcource you can. You just have less chances. Seeing the price for t2, and you cant innsure them, this leads to people getting ruined and maybe leaving back to empire. No money = no ships. And in deep space, you are always at war! CYVOK flew a Titan. He lost it. Fair and square or not: it is a huge blow. It hurts. Without knowing the reason, it would not suprise me if this was part of why CYVOK pulled out of leadership. Same can be said to so many others. I joined a PvP corp earlier. I had a great hope of becoming quite good in it! The corp I joined had plenty of nice people too! But then, the first day I lost my deimos. Fair and square. But I understood fast a few things: 1.) I was not prepared for PvP in such a good corp. 2.) the loss was too heavy blow for me. I could not afford to fly t2 which the corp if not required but preferred. I pulled out and are now living in Empire. I have fun, but I dont fly Deimo'ses or Astarte's anymore. I simply cant afford it in the long run! When it comes to the point it have with the echonomy to do. Personally I would have increased the innsurance payout for t2 ships. I think that would have made people in empire take more chances and to get out and into low/deep space again. It will also keep the combats up and running. Maybe once more we would see people taking more chances. Just like in the time before T2. Just my 2 iskies EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
Shakuul Caldari The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering	Posted - 2006.12.21 00:52:00 - [40] Many people seem to think that events like those described in the OP indicate that the the playerbase is becoming less mature, with all of the smacktalk etc. That may be true, but it could also be the result of an expanding population. If 50% of pvpers in EVE smacktalk after combat victory/defeat, then if you double the EVE pvp population, you double the smacktalk, and you double the number of forum posts you get like this. Just warning you not to jump to conclusions.
Barry Cantona	Posted - 2006.12.21 01:03:00 - [41] Originally by: RichThugster tbh the first case is pretty sad. but it depends how long you had, if you carried on aggressing him until the vaga appeared, when you would have had time to de-aggress and jump then your a tard. second case, if i had been the raven/mega i would have said "Haha Noob, what the hell made you think you cud win that,,,,noob" just read your example out on comms and got the same response When the people im on comms with speak like that, I dont say much, just hold my head and try to wish them back to an fps.
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2006.12.21 01:15:00 - [42] I what to say about the smacktalk, esp the first one. Suffice to say that they are idiots. I don't solo PvP, it goes against my grain. I won't gang with people who are to scared to fight unless they have overwhelming numbers. It is better to use a good plan right NOW, than to use a perfect plan an hour fromnow. ( to paraphrase a pretty smart general) If you solo PvP, you are going to have to accept that people will use very resource at there disposal to beat you. That includes friends. Kudos to you for seeing an opportunity and going for it. More fights are lost by indescisiveness than over aggresivness tbh. again on the smacktalk though WTF are they on?
Tareen Kashaar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 01:20:00 - [43] Originally by: Nicocat Edited by: Nicocat on 20/12/2006 22:04:46 I only scream for help if I get into too much **** to get out of. Although sometimes it's preemptive =P I also give a "gf" if someone has the cohones to fight fair. Bravery is quite alive, but thanks to Kali, the blob is a much more common way to go. I mostly call in support when I expect the enemy is about to do the same. Call it pre-emptive anti-OMGWTFGANK tactics. I really don't like ganks, myself. I love that heart-stopping rush of mortal, down-to-structure combat, 1 on 1. Or even 1 on 2. It's a hoot, I tells ya. Heh, I kept thinking I knew your name from somewhere, so I looked it up on our killboard... remember that one time where we with a maller, caracal, jag and stiletto attacked you and your buddies in a cyclone, thorax and rifter? Our stiletto and your cyclone being the only survivors... man that was fun. It was a risk for us to engage, and we knew it, but it was damn fun and absolutely worth it :D So, I agree with the vibe of this thread... while ganks can be fun, it is winning against the odds which is the greatest success :D --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Too Kind	Posted - 2006.12.21 01:22:00 - [44] Edited by: Too Kind on 21/12/2006 01:25:08 Edited by: Too Kind on 21/12/2006 01:24:30 Originally by: Zanarkand What would had you done if were in the enemy's positsion? Oh, right, just 1v1d and been happy and "honourable"? Well, I gank myself, I think ganking not the point, but I don't call the one we ganked nub. Especially not, if he made no nubish mistake, except maybe trying to fight against bad odds. Someone calling the victim nub, although the victim made no mistake, lets me wonder what the guy, who says that has smoked. Losing a ship / a fight doesn't automatically make you a nub. -------------------------- Post with your main !!!111
Sodium Phosphate Gallente Ganja Labs Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.12.21 03:54:00 - [45] Some of you guys make me sick, yes I've played on battle.net(born on starcraft), Halo(hit puberty on this), and counterstrike(got my GED with an Ak-47 at "Bombsite A High School"). Nor am I "elderly" as some of you dinosaurs put it (what a max age of 30 maybe, and playing a video game? WTF). Never, have I once called an opponent in EVE a n00b. You guys friggin stereotype anything you cant handle and call it immature, acting like your a guest on a Discovery Channel(dont know how you UK guys are gunna take this) special for EVE, stating your hypothesis like your Einstein. Some of my kin might be calling you a newb because it makes them feel a wee bit better about themselves, so what ***** take it like the man you seem that you want to picture yourself as(noble knight or something ,WTH, honor? bravery? whats brave about losing an intangible object in a game?), and not ***** post on the forums calling what you did "brave". And for the friggin Einstein's out there, get a life and don't worry about the politics of EVE. And yes you live a life of hypocrisy when... A) your "mature" in your head but yet you play EVE/forum crawl instead of hoppin in bed with your wife/gf complaining about the immaturity of the teenagers that the GAME was intended to sell to. B)your "mature" at ages >=27 playing a video game, complaining about the immaturity of teenagers on forums.
gfldex	Posted - 2006.12.21 04:33:00 - [46] I would like to give the OP a little cooky to chew on. If you, in your current alliance, would show up in mp5- solo in a phoon and died to 2 of my corps members, they would start to smack you right away. If you would be in CELES and attacked the same pilots in the same situation and they poped you, I assure you they would tip their hats. The name your corp/alliance got will make a big difference in the behavior of ppl toward you as a single pilot. Even if your acts are not related to your corp/alli at all. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Monde Gallente Praetorian Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.21 05:01:00 - [47] Edited by: Monde on 21/12/2006 05:02:42 Two things. I agree with the original Post in this thread. I was killed in a mining frigate T1 by a Cruiser. Fair fight? I don't think so. But hey. Then my protection warped in and Destroyed, not podded the aggressor. What did he do call in 7 of his mates to kill us? WTH. You attack us and when we protect ourselves you run to Mommy and Daddy? Sure if we attack you call in friends but you try and be big and tough get owned and then run home. I cannot count the amount of times we are killed in T1 Miners by Cruisers or Battleships and then get smacktalked. These people think they are brave. Drives me insane. What possible reason is there to blow up a T1 mining frigate other than you are such a coward you know it cannot shoot back? And secondly. I don't want to burst your bubble but the average age of Gamers is growing and is no longer just for kiddies / Teens etc. Adult players are on the rise and there is a very large number of them. Playing games does not make you immature or a Newb.
Sodium Phosphate Gallente Ganja Labs Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.12.21 05:32:00 - [48] I think ya got me wrong there bro. Adults playing games is not immature, hell one of my goals in life is to play games when I'm dying in the hospital. But an adult playing games and getting arrogant about his age ,now that, is immature.
Efour Amarr Matari Shipworks	Posted - 2006.12.21 05:40:00 - [49] True true slighty off at a slant but in line with whats been said being told that it was a "good fight" when you just got ganked in a t1 cruiser by 6 or 7 frigates is not my or many peoples?? opinion of a "good fight" That was a "strong gank" and not really any goodness to it ?!? I utterly accept that people will always use superior numbers and very often to me superior ships, but to be told that the massivley unbalanced fight i just took part in, either me in the gank or being ganked, is by no way a good fight if the odds are so stacked.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.21 06:19:00 - [50] I agree with the sense, but not necessarily the wording. It's a lot like those people who have a huge gatecamp and then smack when you, all by yourself, run away. Then they smack and call you a noob and a coward for running away from a 20 man gankbear squad in your Indy or shuttle. Hell, I'd say anyone who survives a camp with an Indy did a damn good job and was the clear winner. Originally by: Troy Knight [After training Warp Drive Ops I] Still time I could have used training something else.
Bellum Eternus Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.21 06:55:00 - [51] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Ok, I like to wander round and PVP solo, from Battleships to Assault Frigates,,,you name it. Now im roaming in a Wolf, i see an 2 Rifters and a Maladiction and a Taranis. Now i have taken down bigger and i know i can take these guys, i engage and kill the 2 rifters and Maladiction. The Taranis pilot orbits me at 18km keeps me scrammed long enough for his buddy in a vagabond to arrive and kill me. He then proceeds to call me a noob, and to learn how to fly. Is their no such thing as Bravery any more? 2nd Example, Im in a Typhoon, I have Tech2 Heavy Drones and Tech2 Cruise. Its a nasty ship with a decent tank. I come across a Raven and a Megathron, now through experiance im sure i could take them, its risky, but im sure id hold my own against them so i engage. Unfortunately the Raven had Tech2 Siege and the Megathron had Tech2 Blasters. Obviously im eventually killed and proceeded to hear... "Haha Noob, what the hell made you think you cud win that,,,,noob" Is their such thing as taking a risk anymore? Such thing as being brave? Personally, if i am travelling somebody engages me when im in a combat ship, i respect that person, i give them credit whether they succseed or fail in killing me. Their is too much of the OMG I MIGHT LOSE SO IM GONNA GET 10 GANGMATES in this game atm. Why when people Blob their targets get ridiculed, and why when i take a chance, sometimes i win but the times i lose im referred to as a noob? No respect in this game anymore, come on people....Show some. Drake Sure there is bravery. I took on a fully T2 Raven and a T2 gank rax in my Hype today. Killed em both. I thought it was more than a fair fight myself (for them). If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer.
Ladyah Liandri Soapbox Pilots	Posted - 2006.12.21 06:57:00 - [52] Originally by: Drake Mezcal What does bother me is the lack of respect. That's the point. Putting yourself into more or less deep risk to get some fun and excitement is hardly ever rewarded with respect or at least a "gf". Last night I read a long post of someone who recently seemed to have a literally bloody weekend by travelling around in his Vaga acompanied by a fellow in an AF / Inty and blowing up nothing but n00bs and rookies in T1 ships. I was a little surprised that almost all folks commenting that behaviour congratulated him. Well I mean with all due respect but where's the challenge here? No doubt that they had their fun and all - which I am all for to get me right - but what will you get posting stories about ship losses due to attacking superior opponents? Lots of "you n00b" big LOLs and the inevitable good "tips" regarding ship fitting and tactics. Ever read something like "Wow, I wouldn't have had the guts ..." ?
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.12.21 07:34:00 - [53] Originally by: Hakera its the counterstrike groupies that have infected eve. There many however who will give kudos for fighting them against the odds as it should be. But it seems the trend indeed to instead insult them for losing their ships. The quest for killmails has changed eve over time. Focus is on the kill rather than the fight, does annoy me many a time. I think we need a name and shaming tbh :) Ummm, I've been a counterstrike groupie competitively and for fun since Beta 1. I pirate solo. I dont use killboards, I dont see the point. I attack larger targets, you win some , you lose some.. Whats with the fricken counterstrike generalisations Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Tousaka Langley	Posted - 2006.12.21 07:45:00 - [54] Edited by: Tousaka Langley on 21/12/2006 07:47:42 You jumped unto two players at a gate minding their own business. You then engage them. And then you die. They call you a n00b. What you are missing there is that they felt bad about killing you. What they felt was pity. A lot of people don't know how to deal with pity and it comes out as anger because you are making them feel bad for doing something. Nobody wants to kill somebody when it's obvious their target is hopelessly out classed. As for the first case, just him being a **, ignore and move on. Sorry if you can't handle people being **s. If it is any consolation you blew up several of his friends first. But what do facts matter when some bad words occurred? You die or you live. Everything else is secondary.
Dark PIne	Posted - 2006.12.21 08:01:00 - [55] Originally by: Hakera The quest for killmails has changed eve over time. Focus is on the kill rather than the fight, does annoy me many a time. I tend to agree. Since people so much like killmails, scores and frags, why not make a public intergalactic scoreboard, that would show the top 100 pod pilots's "evepoints" calculated from killmails, wallet, skill points and assets? You could press tab to see it whenever you want?
Dimitrios Ypsilanti	Posted - 2006.12.23 19:58:00 - [56] Just remember that people play for different reasons. I've been in Eve for about a month now and I primarily play solo for the trade and mission-running while I figure out how everything works. I'm also fully aware that my brand new Cyclone (which will cost me days of mission-running to replace) is only a snack to most players who would engage me unprovoked. So, if I'm floating through 0.3 space on some lousy 80,000 ISK lvl 3 courior mission and I get jumped by one or two pirates, and I manage to take one of them out, be prepared for some smack talk. Because I never wanted the fight in the first place.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.12.23 21:19:00 - [57] Originally by: Dark PIne Originally by: Hakera The quest for killmails has changed eve over time. Focus is on the kill rather than the fight, does annoy me many a time. I tend to agree. Since people so much like killmails, scores and frags, why not make a public intergalactic scoreboard, that would show the top 100 pod pilots's "evepoints" calculated from killmails, wallet, skill points and assets? You could press tab to see it whenever you want? Killmails make people with no Tactical sense think winning by the enemy pulling a tactical retreat as a non victory. me if i push my enemy back through the gate i have won that battle as i have held my land.
diabolic clone Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.23 21:27:00 - [58] This thread actually made me see the simularities between this game and UO, the 'carebear' empire dwellers are kinda like trammys; and chances are you will probably get ganked and smack talked. Smack talk usually is un-called for but everyone needs an ego-stroke every now and then.
Shirow Miyazaki Amarr Hunter Military Industries	Posted - 2006.12.23 23:47:00 - [59] Originally by: Lygos Welcome to the Monkeysphere. damn straight. If i'm being honest, i'm a carebear, a total and utter carebear. I play the game to improve myself rather than to destroy others. I and the people i play with (most of whom i know in RL) don't like the idea of ganking random people just for the thrill of it, we obviously have more extended monkeyspheres than pirates and gankbears who are in it for the kills, no matter what. This makes me wonder what a lot of these gankers and griefers are like in RL. Don't get me wrong, i respect people who pirate in honourable ways, with ransoming and properly tracking down targets, but random blobbers and griefers to me are very petty individuals. This might seem like the perfect time for some cheese with my whine, but i am not totally adverse to pvp, i was disappointed with the bounty office, i wanted the enhanced ability to hunt down and kill wrongdoers, but all it did was show me the bounty screen that i'd seen before. now i might seem like a hypocrite, but that's my biased viewpoint, people who go out of their way to ruin the game for others really annoy me. I like RP and missioning, it's escapism, to entertain the notion that i'm wasting all these rats for the good of the empire, and mining/manufacturing on my alt to fund it, rather than having to deal with the tw@s and pathetic power-trippers i normally deal with in RL, just with a prettier interface.
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun	Posted - 2006.12.23 23:54:00 - [60] We encounter this same kind of attitude from FREGE. For instance, we're campin a gate, we know they have equal numbers in local, no engagement. Sitting on the gate abit longer, they warp in. We engage and kill their Ishtar and start firing up an Apoc, gate goes active, local jumps to 41. Oh look, they brought their entire alliance. We lose a couple of BC's, the 2 frigates we had tackling escape. 4:35 or so, eh, we can accept that. Afterwards, they kick in the smack about being noobs and running. I just figure it comes with the territory, you learn which enemies are worthless without their friends, and you just try to take it into account. What I do know, is that losing that Ishtar hurts a hell of a lot more than killing a pair of Hurricanes. ex-Occassus Republica <3
DaveW Caldari South Park Development	Posted - 2006.12.24 00:15:00 - [61] " Is their such thing as bravery anymore?" Well, in Real Life (RL) there are times in your life that you have a chance to be 'Brave' or show courage. These situations never occurs in an on-line game because of it's very nature. I hope this helps... --------------------------------------------------- "If you can't stand the heat..., stay out of the Kitchen."
Ebedar Gallente Primary Intelligence	Posted - 2006.12.24 00:24:00 - [62] While not necessarily agreeing with the wording in the OP (I'd call it ballsiness rather than bravery) the problem described is one that has been around for a while now and has become more pronounced over time. A lot (perhaps even the majority) of people who say they PvP only really know how to fight in a very limited set of circumstances, usually when heavily supported and looking to get kills without risk. Outside such defined instances, they don't tend to know what they're doing and fight/lose accordingly. There are many players who do know what they're doing and adapt to the situation accordingly - they tend to join the better PvP corps and group up with equally talented individuals to make stronger and more effective fighting units. I'm of the opinion that if you belong to the latter group, it's more of a personality trait than something you can be taught. Sure you might start off a bad fighter, but if you have the appropriate personality you'll quickly develop into a better one as you learn. With the former group, it tends to be people who don't learn from their mistakes or who want to be spoon fed. Given that, such people will enter PvP and expect to be told what to do. They don't ever really progress as fighters and they learn to do a limited type of PvP with reasonable effectiveness. The problems as I see them - mindsets aside - are: - stupid people tend to congregate, so you get 'PvP corps' entirely or predominantly made of them - it's easier to tell a drone what to do in a large battle than to look for genuine leaders among the people you recruit, so certain alliances end up with a large group of people who belong to the limited mindset described (and continue to promote such practises) - because of the grouping described in the previous two points, blobs become a 'tactic' of choice (and to some extent necessity, because those involved lack the sense to think of better ways of fighting) - many of the game changes have (whether by design or accident) worked in favour of those with a limited mindset, e.g. increased HP doesn't discourage blobbing by making fights last longer, it encourages it because people will bring more numbers for a quicker takedown (and this alongside it has lead to solo PvP becoming less common) The sum of all this is that intelligent PvPers find it harder to work in smaller groups (because there will just come a point where you're so ridiculously outnumbered you can't do anything without numbers yourself) - that's partly what has lead to the death/hibernation of several small PvP corps in recent times. As more players join, the majority will invariably end up joining those who take part in 'stupid' PvP. Their ranks will swell and the intelligent PvPers find that they can only continue to adapt to a certain point - after that they either leave or work in larger groups, adopting the same blob tactics but underpinning them with intelligence in the way they use them and their resources. Perhaps I'm being harsh or cynical or nostalgic, but it does seem to me as though EVE had more intelligent type PvPers when there were fewer people playing. The more people join, the more we seem to be pushed towards PvP where it really is just down to locking first and pushing F keys. ~ ioctl
Soporo	Posted - 2006.12.24 02:52:00 - [63] Quote: stupid people tend to congregate Boy, that's a keeper. ______________________________________________________ Quote: stupid people tend to congregate
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.12.24 03:37:00 - [64] Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 24/12/2006 03:43:36 Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 24/12/2006 03:39:50 Tonight was the first time I flew a typhoon (I'm usually a domi pilot but hey) Reports fo a a dreadnaught in a nearby system, corp mate of mine pops a couple of missiles at it and runs before he hers blasted by the sentries.. I come in system and warp to 100kms and see the revelation 130kmn away. I groan, then say sod it and run at it. At 90kms it locks and fires. I start spiraling. I get sniped at and he swaps his crystals to the high damage ones and keeps trying to blast me. I lock at 66kms let rip with cruises and artilary and keep spiralling. I let rip my drones at the apropriate range and keep spiralling. Then some corp mates arrive and one runs in to scram it and it cynos out. No kills or whatever but I had a hell of a time. Was a silly to engage it? Yes. Waste of ammo? Maybe. A blast? Yep. Learning experiance? Defo. Another thing. Night before revelations I was trying out a domi setup when the local 'ubber pvpers' came into local. There were 2 of them so I knew they had 2 more guys sitting in the gate in the next system. I shrug, wave bye bye to the domi and go out after them. I fly to the planet they usually use and needless to say they show up and their recon ship jams me. 2 more of course come in and they all start pounding me. Whatever happened the recons hams missed (turns out they were all packing jammers) and I scram and blow the Falcon up before I die. 2 weeks ago I had one of the guys trapped. He came in to do the usual dock undock crap. I warp scrammed him and after a while of running in and out of the station to try and break by bses scram and docking and undocking he fiinally gets it that he could not get away. I couldn't kill him before he docked, he could not get away before he got locked and scrammed by my BS (all those large shieled extenders.. speeds the locking up so wonderfully) I talked about the times they had gotten me and I still remember his responce "What, You were hunting US??" He then weakly claimed he didn't remember that incident. As though his 4 to one on a permajammed opponent was some mark of bravery or something. Sheesh. Regardless I had funa dn I got a real sense of acomploishment out of the fight. I actually learned a hell of a lot. But heah, for a lot of people its all about the kill. its not about new experiances. its not even about doing more damage to your opponent. Its not even about fun. Its for the kill. As though somehow that makes you bigger or stronger than the guy you have crushed. Why that attitude should exist in a rather silly game of spaceships is truly daft in my opinion.
Tonkin Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.24 03:56:00 - [65] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Ok, I like to wander round and PVP solo, from Battleships to Assault Frigates,,,you name it. Now im roaming in a Wolf, i see an 2 Rifters and a Maladiction and a Taranis. Now i have taken down bigger and i know i can take these guys, i engage and kill the 2 rifters and Maladiction. The Taranis pilot orbits me at 18km keeps me scrammed long enough for his buddy in a vagabond to arrive and kill me. He then proceeds to call me a noob, and to learn how to fly. Is their no such thing as Bravery any more? 2nd Example, Im in a Typhoon, I have Tech2 Heavy Drones and Tech2 Cruise. Its a nasty ship with a decent tank. I come across a Raven and a Megathron, now through experiance im sure i could take them, its risky, but im sure id hold my own against them so i engage. Unfortunately the Raven had Tech2 Siege and the Megathron had Tech2 Blasters. Obviously im eventually killed and proceeded to hear... "Haha Noob, what the hell made you think you cud win that,,,,noob" Is their such thing as taking a risk anymore? Such thing as being brave? Personally, if i am travelling somebody engages me when im in a combat ship, i respect that person, i give them credit whether they succseed or fail in killing me. Their is too much of the OMG I MIGHT LOSE SO IM GONNA GET 10 GANGMATES in this game atm. Why when people Blob their targets get ridiculed, and why when i take a chance, sometimes i win but the times i lose im referred to as a noob? No respect in this game anymore, come on people....Show some. Drake when i normally kill someone now GF in local this time of year its merry christmas. but when peeps try to solo a gang that im in they have got balls, and me and my corp respect people like that. you get the odd idiot shouting noob when peeps get ganked.
Lenox Kaye	Posted - 2006.12.24 04:12:00 - [66] As a player slowly eeking his way into 0.0 sec space, I am not so much worried about getting my ass handed to me as a matter of fact im sure its going to happen.....a lot, but what will keep me happy while getting my ass kicked (strange concept i know) is sportsmanship, I have been very lucky so far to only have engaged players with an attitude of "If you win, then the person you beat will know it" smack talking to some degree is, good, if not healthy, but to me there is a mature way of doing it. But in the end, those who arent mature about it, should be ignored.
Lea Re Caldari CAPITAL TRUST FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:40:00 - [67] i dont post on forums too often, but i just have to this time =] to make it more colourful, ill include some chatlogs from the day and occasion mentioned earlier by Mortuus Originally by: Mortuus We encounter this same kind of attitude from FREGE. For instance, we're campin a gate, we know they have equal numbers in local, no engagement. [ 2006.12.21 04:34:41 ] s1n1ster m1n1ster > lea re grow a pair and come to teh gate [ 2006.12.21 04:35:05 ] s1n1ster m1n1ster > WTF bring ships not shuttles [ 2006.12.21 04:35:14 ] Black Kestrel > cao ni ma [ 2006.12.21 04:35:25 ] s1n1ster m1n1ster > chupa mi verga [ 2006.12.21 04:43:22 ] s1n1ster m1n1ster > i'm goinna kill you lea re [ 2006.12.21 04:43:27 ] s1n1ster m1n1ster > KILL YOU MOTHER SUCKER' well, i was the only FREGE member in local at that time... and as you can see in a shutlle. if thats what mortuus calls equal numbers... well, no comment. Originally by: Mortuus Sitting on the gate abit longer, they warp in. We engage and kill their Ishtar and start firing up an Apoc, gate goes active, local jumps to 41. Oh look, they brought their entire alliance. not a single FREGE member jumped in through the gate. all of us were in local, as our fleet jumped into the system through the other gate... thats what i call watching local. we sent in one tanked bs first. the rest followed. [ 2006.12.21 05:11:19 ] Mortuus > actually, I'm playing on myspace, and reading Originally by: Mortuus 4:35 or so, eh, we can accept that. there were actually 5 of you (2 wolves, 2 hurricanes and a cyclone). besides... 15 of us were haulers, and the rest were just protecting them. that was our hauling op and that camp just happened to be on our way. Originally by: Mortuus Afterwards, they kick in the smack about being noobs and running. do i have to paste all of their smack ? speaking of all the bravery... it exists... only when both sides think they've got chances. other than that, its lack of common sense. i wonder how many stories about blobbing and so on happen to be born in course of fleet ops that just happened to take place in the same place where some 5 ppl gang was camping the gate, or flying through the system looking for targets.

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