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Morwagorion
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:11:00 -
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Just change a bit color, BPC and BPO should not have the same icon
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Red Storm Vendetta
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:14:00 -
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Well, in fairness, it is called a "Blue"print.
However a symbol on eachone saying if it was BPC or BPO, like C or O on the icon would be nice.
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DukDodgerz
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:22:00 -
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bpo - gold text
bpc - silver text with the number of remaining runs showing.
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mindycs
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:24:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: DukDodgerz
bpo - gold text
bpc - silver text with the number of remaining runs showing.
Please and thank you
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Terminal Entry
New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: mindycs
Originally by: DukDodgerz
bpo - gold text
bpc - silver text with the number of remaining runs showing.
Please and thank you
Even if it's not with the runs remaining 
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x racer
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:34:00 -
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In RL, theres only one blue blueprint, the original.....all copies of the original are gray, but still called blueprints.
Not that RL has much to do with eve, hehe
x
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:36:00 -
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Sadly when the game was first coded the devs did not separate between the different types, they simply put in a number of parameters that defined what the print was.
The real sad this is that the icon was hard coded and thus to change the icons the devs would have to manually go through all BP's that all the players in the game have and switch the icons.
As many of us old players know there have been a number of changes to BP's but they have all been alterations where you could simply search for a specific list entry and alter it (ex unlimited BPC -> max run BPC).
This is what I have gathered from dev posts.
I do agree that BP's of different types should be changed, T2 BP's should have the tech II variation in the corner and there should be a visual difference between a BPC and a BPO but if making this change meens taking lots and lots of time away from more pressing issues then Im all for ignoring that.
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Lucio
Gallente
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:39:00 -
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It would be about bloody time to make this change, this has been consistantly asked for and consistantly ignored. It can't be that hard to recolour a few hundred icons!
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.20 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 20/12/2006 22:56:50
"Just change a bit color, BPC and BPO should not have the same icon"
This was discussed at length some time ago in game development forum section... the crux of it is, because from server point of view the BPO and BPC are the same item with slightly different internal data, in order to tell apart the BPOs from BPCs the client would have to send query for each blueprint in your hangar each time you access your inventory. Multiply it by number of people in EVE playing with their inventory both while docked and in space, and the stress on server becomes enourmous.
Some suggestions were made to introduce things like the client caching blueprint state to allow this kind of display without overloading the server... but in the end i guess it's just too much work and/or devs don't want to risk it with enough lag being in the system as it is o.O;
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lucio
It would be about bloody time to make this change, this has been consistantly asked for and consistantly ignored. It can't be that hard to recolour a few hundred icons!
I don't normaly call people idiots, and I don't think I will start now on your account. That being said, the devs have said on numerous occassions that it IS possible, but not worth it at this point, it would require so much time and effort that it would not be an effective use of manpower.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:03:00 -
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should be but to difficult to reprogram
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Lost Penguin
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: x racer
In RL, theres only one blue blueprint, the original.....all copies of the original are gray, but still called blueprints.
Not that RL has much to do with eve, hehe
x
in RL all the prints are black and white (including the originals), but I suppose that the color the paper that the drawings is on depends upon what company made them.
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Too Kind
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lucio
It would be about bloody time to make this change, this has been consistantly asked for and consistantly ignored. It can't be that hard to recolour a few hundred icons!
Not really ignored. They said it's not easy to change it, because a bpo and a bpc are technically the same or something like that.
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Tissaphernes
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stormer
Well, in fairness, it is called a "Blue"print.
However a symbol on eachone saying if it was BPC or BPO, like C or O on the icon would be nice.
I'll own up to it. I laughed when I first read this.
Don't know what's wrong with me.
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Shakuul
Caldari
The Imperial Commonwealth
The Sundering
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Posted - 2006.12.21 01:00:00 -
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Maybe there would be a way to work around this...like giving players multiple hangars (just like corporations have), so you could sort BPOs into one hangar and BPCs into another.
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DaveW
Caldari
South Park Development
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Posted - 2006.12.21 03:42:00 -
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Anything that seperated BPO's from BPC's would be a great step forward.
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Period Avenger
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Posted - 2006.12.21 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Period Avenger on 21/12/2006 04:21:30
indeed... BPCs should be a light beige color.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.21 06:11:00 -
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To answer the thread title: yes, yes it is.
Originally by: Lucio
It can't be that hard to recolour a few hundred icons!
The problem is that it's a few MILLION icons, not hundred (see above).
Originally by: Troy Knight
[After training Warp Drive Ops I] Still time I could have used training something else.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2006.12.21 06:40:00 -
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/Signed
The Blody BPCs should be different. Another tone of blue, or maybe green...anything. Just make the icons different somehow. |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.21 07:00:00 -
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BPO and BPC are the same item in the database.
I would not be surprised when a BPC is just an entry linking to the BPO with a number of runs attached. And the BPO you research exists as a separate item in the DB - The old gets removed from your hangar and the researched one being placed in there. This would explain a couple of the problems that appear from time to time where BP kinda disappear from the research or production facilities during patches.
There's no way to technically differentiate between them without accessing the full BP entry each time someone opens a container (hangar, can, ship ...) for each single BP in there - and in all containers within.
You do remember the reason for removing those insta bookmarks at stations and gates? Yes, it has been done to remove the load on the database.
Do you remember the reason for the revamp of the production and science system?
Yes, ir has been done to remove the load on the database.
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The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing.
by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
Baleur
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.21 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lucio
It would be about bloody time to make this change, this has been consistantly asked for and consistantly ignored. It can't be that hard to recolour a few hundred icons!
Hell i can set up photoshop to recolor as many icons/images as nessecary automatically, im sure they can to. They could patch this in a day if they wanted to / had 15 min to sort it out :)
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Morwagorion
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Posted - 2006.12.21 07:41:00 -
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im not a BD expert, but i can imagine 2 solution:
1. a "modify query" that create a new table / new entry in a record
2. our client do the work: if BPC display icon A or add a "C" to BPC icon, if BPO display icon B
any solution, even if not "elegant", is better than this situation
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Okkie2
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Posted - 2006.12.21 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Okkie2 on 21/12/2006 08:02:21
Originally by: Baleur
Originally by: Lucio
It would be about bloody time to make this change, this has been consistantly asked for and consistantly ignored. It can't be that hard to recolour a few hundred icons!
Hell i can set up photoshop to recolor as many icons/images as nessecary automatically, im sure they can to. They could patch this in a day if they wanted to / had 15 min to sort it out :)
Making new icons isn't the problem, the problem is atm a BPO and a BPC are the same items but with different attrbutes. So they would have to go through all BP's (that's every single BPB/BPO that's in the game) to check whether it's attributes make it a BPO or BPC. Depending if it's a BPO or not they then change the itemnr/icon etc.
So it would be possible but a lot harder then just changing some icons in Photoshop..... Do you really think they wouldn't have changed this long ago if it was only 15mins of work ?
Not changing the item itself, but make the client show another icon will result in extra load on the server creating lag (as allready mentioned earlier)
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.21 08:03:00 -
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The current database schema simply doesnt allow to do it.
They need to change something in the DB that will need to fix a massive code correction everywhere in the game.
However they can do it on the client side I think, but will generate a loading delay in the hangars where BP's appear. Imagine 150 BP's in a corp hangar that each need a server request before rendering the icon.
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Jarnau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2006.12.21 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine
Edited by: j0sephine on 20/12/2006 22:56:50
"Just change a bit color, BPC and BPO should not have the same icon"
This was discussed at length some time ago in game development forum section... the crux of it is, because from server point of view the BPO and BPC are the same item with slightly different internal data, in order to tell apart the BPOs from BPCs the client would have to send query for each blueprint in your hangar each time you access your inventory. Multiply it by number of people in EVE playing with their inventory both while docked and in space, and the stress on server becomes enourmous.
Some suggestions were made to introduce things like the client caching blueprint state to allow this kind of display without overloading the server... but in the end i guess it's just too much work and/or devs don't want to risk it with enough lag being in the system as it is o.O;
Moreover we should not forget: usability was never a goal of CCP 
The run to a higher number of simultaniously players is more importent.
So we will expect some more crippled functionality (but saving CPU on the Server).
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UGWidowmaker
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.21 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: Lucio
It would be about bloody time to make this change, this has been consistantly asked for and consistantly ignored. It can't be that hard to recolour a few hundred icons!
I don't normaly call people idiots, and I don't think I will start now on your account. That being said, the devs have said on numerous occassions that it IS possible, but not worth it at this point, it would require so much time and effort that it would not be an effective use of manpower.
ofc its worth the manpower.. i know poeple who by mistake mixed up bpc and bpo and sold the bpo as an bpc... so who is it u call an idiot ?
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.21 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Fire Hawk
The current database schema simply doesnt allow to do it.
They need to change something in the DB that will need to fix a massive code correction everywhere in the game.
However they can do it on the client side I think, but will generate a loading delay in the hangars where BP's appear. Imagine 150 BP's in a corp hangar that each need a server request before rendering the icon.
Currently the item info itself isn't pulled. The client just gets the information that a BP of <item> is there. If the client or the server had to access the data each time and for every single BP in the ships, hangars and cans, we would not like the resulting DB based lag.
Currently the BP item entry is only accessed when you look at the BP or when you're trying to install it into a lab or factory.
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The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing.
by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
Oleg K77
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Posted - 2006.12.21 10:06:00 -
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If there is problem with existing BPCs, make new BPCs as different items and leave existing ones as they are.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.21 10:47:00 -
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They don't just look the same.
They are the same.
A change would require a complete rework of the Science&Industry and the production system, all laong the POS and relevant remote skills & features.
On the bright side it would mean that the reduction in the DB complexity from removing all basic and micro BP would be counted by a long shot.
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The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing.
by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2006.12.21 10:57:00 -
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IMO, this thread is worthy of a Dev response.
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