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Ryu Chaos
Tr0pa de elite.
Pandemic Legion
16
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:09:16 -
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imho, everyone under 10m SP or 1 year old (mains only) should get the free 400k sp so they dont feel cheated, or even better everyone 
@RyuChaos_
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Johnny Riko
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:13:19 -
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Ryu Chaos wrote:imho, everyone under 10m SP or 1 year old (mains only) should get the free 400k sp so they dont feel cheated, or even better everyone
What reason is there that they shouldn't they give 350k SP to everyone? No matter how long you've been playing, at some point you paid a subscription and spent 1-2 weeks training the new skills.
I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
3342
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:21:59 -
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Johnny Riko wrote:We paid 1-2 weeks worth of subscription to train those skills, now they are given to new players for free. How is that fair?
Boo hoo!
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
1502
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:09:55 -
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Mag's wrote:They should give players choices of what skills they receive. Even if this means CCP creating focused skill sets you can choose on creation of your char.
Trader. PvP, Miner etc.
I dislike this idea for the same reason I hate all forced specialization at lower levels. You have literally no idea what you want to do when you first get in the door, forcing a newbie down one route to the detriment of the rest is the single worst part of EVE skills philosophy. |
Skeln Thargensen
katana spelunking trips
596
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:19:41 -
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they can always biomass and start over.
it's not a bad idea if done right, as the skill system is very complex. what do players have to go by right now, mastery? they'll end up thinking they need ridiculous amounts of SP to fly a mission ship.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26332
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:32:25 -
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Johnny Riko wrote:We paid 1-2 weeks worth of subscription to train those skills, now they are given to new players for free. How is that fair? Because you've had full use of that SP for almost a year.
Hell, I got more than that for free GÇö you should be angry at me, not the new players.
Quote:Typical "help the nubs, screw the vets" game developer mentality. The vets got twice as much for free. So no, they were not screwed over by this.
Quote:What reason is there that they shouldn't they give 350k SP to everyone? There's no need and no reason to.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Caladan Panzureborn
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:37:29 -
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Shadowace Evi wrote:Caladan Panzureborn wrote:This reminds me of an old Alcoholics Anonymous saying "Half measures availed us nothing." From a newbs perspective who was just at 0SP and is now at 2.2m SP, 400k SP looks like a step in the right direction but probably needs to be 1mil+ to make a real improvement IMO. someone had a great idea of making opportunities and career agents reward SP, would be a great way to get newbies to 1++ mill SP quickly and also get people to do that stuff.
That's how it works in other MMOs and it makes sense. Do tutorials, get SP. It's a no brainer and motivates newbs to learn the game. It could be: complete all opportunities get x amount of SP for general use. Complete a career agent's arc, get x amount of SP for career applicable skills. ie. complete the exploration career agent arc, get SP that can be used on exploration specific skills like scanning or whatever.
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Faenir Antollare
The Idiot Kings
Get Off My Lawn
395
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:39:05 -
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It's simply a nice gesture from CCP to the newer player. Though I personally will not benefit from it, it does please that some will and if it helps retain just one extra new player then op success imho.
RiP BooBoo
26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014
My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
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Skeln Thargensen
katana spelunking trips
596
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:43:56 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:Shadowace Evi wrote:Caladan Panzureborn wrote:This reminds me of an old Alcoholics Anonymous saying "Half measures availed us nothing." From a newbs perspective who was just at 0SP and is now at 2.2m SP, 400k SP looks like a step in the right direction but probably needs to be 1mil+ to make a real improvement IMO. someone had a great idea of making opportunities and career agents reward SP, would be a great way to get newbies to 1++ mill SP quickly and also get people to do that stuff. That's how it works in other MMOs and it makes sense. Do tutorials, get SP. It's a no brainer and motivates newbs to learn the game. It could be: complete all opportunities get x amount of SP for general use. Complete a career agent's arc, get x amount of SP for career applicable skills. ie. complete the exploration career agent arc, get SP that can be used on exploration specific skills like scanning or whatever.
that's a thought.
i started a new character recently and it reminded me that the bar is so high for newer players and it must be discouraging.
i quite literally can't bring a drake /o\
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Cancel Align NOW
Maas Industries
595
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:50:07 -
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Raffael Ramirez wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:Raffael Ramirez wrote:Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.
They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!" Probably true.
"They" need to be encouraged to look at competent new players skill plans eg Tippia's.
"They" need to be encouraged to look at the amazing newbie friendly groups available within the game eg Scipio's |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11992
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:01:29 -
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Johnny Riko wrote:Ryu Chaos wrote:imho, everyone under 10m SP or 1 year old (mains only) should get the free 400k sp so they dont feel cheated, or even better everyone What reason is there that they shouldn't they give 350k SP to everyone? No matter how long you've been playing, at some point you paid a subscription and spent 1-2 weeks training the new skills.
Oh my God this is such little sp it's actually negligible.
It's like my children arguing that one of them got one extra chip (French fry for the amaricans amongst us)
They're just going to waste it on mining anyway so .
Better the Devil you know.
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Harrison Tato
Immortalis Fratres Vacui
Legio immortales CXCI
485
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:14:12 -
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Raffael Ramirez wrote:Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.
I second this emotion. |
ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution
Sadistic Empire
71
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:15:32 -
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That multibuy is like the best thing ever!
Next step, Multi-Buy + Fit, so can just dock buy+fit and fly out! |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9831
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:22:57 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Raffael Ramirez wrote:Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.
I second this emotion.
Eh, why not make it 10 M, so they will have a lot of choices available.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26345
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:27:03 -
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ApophisXP wrote:That multibuy is like the best thing ever!
Next step, Multi-Buy + Fit, so can just dock buy+fit and fly out!
Great idea. I shall call it the GÇ£I have done wrong; market, punish meGÇ¥ button. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11993
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:29:21 -
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Tippia wrote:ApophisXP wrote:That multibuy is like the best thing ever!
Next step, Multi-Buy + Fit, so can just dock buy+fit and fly out! Great idea. I shall call it the GÇ£I have done wrong; market, punish meGÇ¥ button.
Hahaha, that actually made me laugh
Better the Devil you know.
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
305
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:29:03 -
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Consider the move a giant digital tissue we must issue to the hordes of crybabies who now "game".
Back from the 90-day suspension for speaking truth to power.
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Thorn en Distel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2015.09.25 07:24:55 -
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I think it's a good move. It IS quite painful to be new in a game where everyone has zillions of SP. Even my forum alt has multiples of that 400K. So here's me cheering the devs.
And if the crybabies insist this somehow steals their efforts... well, the devs could always consider granting 400K free SP per account, to be spent on any character. Would solve the issue for people who only JUST missed the boat too. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3983
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Posted - 2015.09.25 08:02:47 -
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I just hope the SP will include Industry 1. The NPE is giving a tough ride to noobs who can't figure that they need a skill to complete the industry objective, since the industry interface doesn't includes any warning about missing skills.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
158
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Posted - 2015.09.25 08:07:33 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I just hope the SP will include Industry 1. The NPE is giving a tough ride to noobs who can't figure that they need a skill to complete the industry objective, since the industry interface doesn't includes any warning about missing skills.
Giving it all some thought this would be a logical reason for the change. Previously the tutorial would give you some free skills etc and would ease you into the game more. Now that that's gone they make up for it with a more complete character with more skills and go "well, good luck!".
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Zappity
the 57th Overlanders Brigade
A Band Apart.
2472
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Posted - 2015.09.25 08:11:05 -
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Good change. Should probably have been a bit more but this is good.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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widgetman
Widgetland
9
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Posted - 2015.09.25 08:23:14 -
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You can give new players 20 mill sp , or even 50 mill sp.....it is knowledge of the game that will still not help them ..... |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
907
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Posted - 2015.09.25 08:35:50 -
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If you gave a newbie an all V alt they will still whine about not being able to PVP because he doesn't even know how to use or even fly a titan as he whelps it into a lowsec gategun.
New excuses include "PVP IS TOO EXPENSIVE" and other silly things.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3983
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Posted - 2015.09.25 08:39:15 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I just hope the SP will include Industry 1. The NPE is giving a tough ride to noobs who can't figure that they need a skill to complete the industry objective, since the industry interface doesn't includes any warning about missing skills. Giving it all some thought this would be a logical reason for the change. Previously the tutorial would give you some free skills etc and would ease you into the game more. Now that that's gone they make up for it with a more complete character with more skills and go "well, good luck!".
Here's the new starter skill set, looks like they're minding completion of the NPE:
https://imgur.com/a/XQ23E#6
By the way, I found that after Neville Smit's blog, which pointed how it had been posted on a Tweet by ISD Rontea. Also the Skill change has not been announced, rather it was just dropped on the Patch notes. No OFFICIAL communication on the OFFICIAL forums, you know, very +á-la-latest-fad-from-Rek.
CCP should keep working on that Communications III... 
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Captain Awkward
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2015.09.25 08:57:16 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Raffael Ramirez wrote:Good move!
Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.
I second this emotion. Eh, why not make it 10 M, so they will have a lot of choices available.
The Idea is to give new players a option. Not many options, not all options.
Character progression is still a strong point. Beeing able to fly that new ship gives you something that you can look forward to. Its rewarding when you finally sit in that ship you waited for so long.
If you give them 10M skillpoints, you take away a big part of it.
500k - 1M gives them the option to fly something "that works" while they skill up to the more powerfull ships. |
Isajah
Industrial Command
Lux Aetherna
5
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Posted - 2015.09.25 09:03:00 -
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give them skill points, makes them cry for cash...
remember that guy protesting, because he directly skilled T2 frigs but couldn't afford them?
Me wants Comet mining
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
944
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Posted - 2015.09.25 09:03:58 -
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This is dumb.
It's just a creeping effect. New players aren't going to feel any less overwhelmed by the skills they don't have just because they'll be starting with a few more than previous ones did.
You all think this is a good change because you have a basis of comparison. A new player starting after this change isn't going to notice any difference. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
944
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Posted - 2015.09.25 09:10:29 -
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I mean I really don't care about the SP, it's only... what, two weeks worth? I just don't see how this will change anything about the new player experience. |
Glathull
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1124
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Posted - 2015.09.25 09:21:52 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:I mean I really don't care about the SP, it's only... what, two weeks worth? I just don't see how this will change anything about the new player experience.
It won't. The more that's given away for free, the less choices new players are allowed to make. Eventually that will start to make them whine. We already have purists of every kind who don't want that one rank in ${whatever}. Now we're just going to hear more of that from the ones who stick around.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
183
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Posted - 2015.09.25 09:43:10 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:This is dumb.
It's just a creeping effect. New players aren't going to feel any less overwhelmed by the skills they don't have just because they'll be starting with a few more than previous ones did.
You all think this is a good change because you have a basis of comparison. A new player starting after this change isn't going to notice any difference.
The change is too small to be noticed and as you point out it won't make any real difference to future new players. |
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