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afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2035	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:16:47 - [1] - Quote Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP?
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 40319	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:34:04 - [2] - Quote Seems like a good move to me. I know CCP were looking at higher levels, so I guess they will watch what affect this has on making the NPE and or training into some basic fits, a bit easier. If anyone is wondering where this is from, it's in the Vanguard patch notes: http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-vanguard Multi-buy next release too. \o/ Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Sibyyl Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 25672	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:38:37 - [3] - Quote Training optimized to a remap without implants gives you 2M SP per month. 400k is nothing in comparison, but it helps the new player make more choices out of the gate. Seems like a decent move to me. And I wish I could shout you out
Raffael Ramirez Alcohol Fuelled The Marmite Collective 14	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:40:05 - [4] - Quote Good move! Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality.
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 899	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:41:37 - [5] - Quote Raffael Ramirez wrote: Good move! Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality. They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!" Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Raffael Ramirez Alcohol Fuelled The Marmite Collective 14	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:45:33 - [6] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: Raffael Ramirez wrote: Good move! Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality. They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!" Probably true.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 508	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:46:21 - [7] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: Raffael Ramirez wrote: Good move! Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality. They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!" So much this!! If I could like you I would but the buttons gone It doesnt matter where you come from or what you make, eventually youll become used to that level and simply want more. Its human nature. This will be the same way. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak. http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace
Lance Jamtonio The European Project 1	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:54:59 - [8] - Quote I think 1m-1.5m would be better for them this will allow them to get some basic skills and jump into whatever field they are looking to pursue.... as really the only other starter activity atm is mining... sure you can do PVE but with the skills on week 1 you will still potentially struggle giving them abit more will be good move overall and allow people to get into the game faster.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2036	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:55:09 - [9] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Raffael Ramirez wrote: Good move! Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality. They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!" So much this!! If I could like you I would but the buttons gone It doesnt matter where you come from or what you make, eventually youll become used to that level and simply want more. Its human nature. This will be the same way. But if it removes the blocks - say 5 hours to fit MWDs, for example - barriers lift. Goals are fine, [pointless] barriers add nothing to NPE
Esrevid Nekkeg Justified and Ancient 448	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:57:52 - [10] - Quote So new players/characters get a small boost start? Good plan Though the really important stuff gets mentioned twice in the patchnotes: FEATURES & CHANGES : Modules: Festival Launchers no longer require launcher hardpoints FIXES : Gameplay: Festival Launchers no longer require launcher hardpoints Considering I have blown up several hundred million Isk worth of fireworks all over space in the past few years, just for fun and laughs, this is a good thing. More 'OOOOH!!! & AAAAH!' Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12472	Posted - 2015.09.24 12:58:36 - [11] - Quote afkalt wrote: Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP? Another new motto! "CCP hf, not learning the lesson of Malcanis' Law since 2003"
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2036	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:02:24 - [12] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: afkalt wrote: Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP? Another new motto! "CCP hf, not learning the lesson of Malcanis' Law since 2003" I'm interested to know if the alt I started last week gets a backfill - or if I should biomass and do over in a weeks time
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12472	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:02:31 - [13] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: Raffael Ramirez wrote: Good move! Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality. They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!" Exactly what will happen. Because the problem wasn't lack of skill points, it was lack of will. It's exactly why doing things like getting rid of skill loss on death doesn't make people take more risks, the people who complained about it were never going to take more risk, they were jsut mentally 'saving face' by blaming something else for their dislike of taking risk. Personally I don't care what CCP starts characters with in terms of skill points (it could be 5 million SP for all I care), just commenting on the futility of it all.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 508	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:03:51 - [14] - Quote afkalt wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Yang Aurilen wrote: Raffael Ramirez wrote: Good move! Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality. They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!" So much this!! If I could like you I would but the buttons gone It doesnt matter where you come from or what you make, eventually youll become used to that level and simply want more. Its human nature. This will be the same way. But if it removes the blocks - say 5 hours to fit MWDs, for example - barriers lift. Goals are fine, [pointless] barriers add nothing to NPE Those goals could just as easily be done through module balance though with civilian versions of the modules with less stats but also less fitting reqs. And then bpcs and modules could be given during the tutorials like they do now. More SP mostly helps alt creation or those who already know the game or have people guiding them from the get go. Now people say that that isnt a bad thing and its not, but THAT is the only barrier... "you have to have such and such a fit or you cant do anything blah blah blah". Its not enjoy the game, ask questions, mess around and just ENJOY it for a week or two before you make any big plunge. Its instant gratification for morons imo. And yes irregardless of what you give them the bar and goal posts will just be moved. That is why we complain about entitlement in the first place both in game and out of game. There is no more joy of the journey. Its I want to hop in and play at the "fun" level without any work, effort, or time involved. And the thing is if theyre THAT new they dont even actually know what fun is for them anyway. So wanting to herd people into certain areas of the game faster shouldnt be a matter of handing them skill points. And thats always how Ill look at it. But then Im 2003, do everything for yourself and figure it out and enjoy it kinda player. Which I realize is the route less traveled. But I want to PWN N00Bs!!! Waaa!! Waaa!! I must be 1337 sucka mofos!! Waaa!! Waaa!! Seems to be more the way of things. Its about the journey not the destination. Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak. http://tinyurl.com/YarrFace
Webvan All Kill No Skill 14016	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:15:13 - [15] - Quote dumb I'm in it for the money Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 900	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:15:40 - [16] - Quote Did CCP say how they'll distribute the extra SP? Or is it EVERYTHING AT LEVEL I? Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2036	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:18:37 - [17] - Quote Old vs new. https://imgur.com/a/XQ23E#0 Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3m6re2/patch_notes_for_vanguard/cvch371 Not my work I assume missles lacking are because amarr.
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders 163	Posted - 2015.09.24 13:19:37 - [18] - Quote Yang Aurilen wrote: Raffael Ramirez wrote: Good move! Let them start with a million or 2 to get rid of the 'I need x amount of lvl5 skills to enjoy the game" mentality. They'll just move the goal post you know. Now they'll say "I need JDC V to be able to PVP!!!" there's a big difference between having JDC V and cpu - pg - wu V and be able to fly the most basic shitfits without needing fitting rigs and implants out your ass
Hir Miriel Elves In Space 235	Posted - 2015.09.24 14:13:24 - [19] - Quote afkalt wrote: Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP? Does that mean we all get 400,000? ~ ~~ Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox. ~~ ~
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26324	Posted - 2015.09.24 14:36:55 - [20] - Quote afkalt wrote: Old vs new. https://imgur.com/a/XQ23E#0 Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3m6re2/patch_notes_for_vanguard/cvch371 Not my work I assume missles lacking are because amarr. GÇªso basically half of the first phase of my skill plan. I approve. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Mag's the united 20248	Posted - 2015.09.24 14:50:10 - [21] - Quote They should give players choices of what skills they receive. Even if this means CCP creating focused skill sets you can choose on creation of your char. Trader. PvP, Miner etc. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Caladan Panzureborn Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2015.09.24 14:59:24 - [22] - Quote This reminds me of an old Alcoholics Anonymous saying "Half measures availed us nothing." From a newbs perspective who was just at 0SP and is now at 2.2m SP, 400k SP looks like a step in the right direction but probably needs to be 1mil+ to make a real improvement IMO.
Shadowace Evi CroGi 1	Posted - 2015.09.24 15:31:44 - [23] - Quote Caladan Panzureborn wrote: This reminds me of an old Alcoholics Anonymous saying "Half measures availed us nothing." From a newbs perspective who was just at 0SP and is now at 2.2m SP, 400k SP looks like a step in the right direction but probably needs to be 1mil+ to make a real improvement IMO. someone had a great idea of making opportunities and career agents reward SP, would be a great way to get newbies to 1++ mill SP quickly and also get people to do that stuff.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8629	Posted - 2015.09.24 15:37:53 - [24] - Quote Hir Miriel wrote: afkalt wrote: Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP? Does that mean we all get 400,000? Sod the new players, this is what I would like to know too! [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26330	Posted - 2015.09.24 15:41:03 - [25] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Hir Miriel wrote: afkalt wrote: Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP? Does that mean we all get 400,000? Sod the new players, this is what I would like to know too! Presumably, your character wasn't created less than two weeks away from the patch. So no. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8629	Posted - 2015.09.24 15:45:07 - [26] - Quote Tippia wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Hir Miriel wrote: afkalt wrote: Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP? Does that mean we all get 400,000? Sod the new players, this is what I would like to know too! Presumably, your character wasn't created less than two weeks away from the patch. So no. Well, exactly. I know you're going to produce some figures that contradict what I'm saying, but it does seem unfair to hand over the SPs to them on a plate. I for one would love to put those free SPs into the PI tree (which I will never train on my own!)! [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 9828	Posted - 2015.09.24 15:46:05 - [27] - Quote One of the joys of mine was the looking how fast are skills trained and hurling there everyone I could find. New player, you will be spared that, I feel for you. Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Xennos Octavian Evil Young Flesh 0	Posted - 2015.09.24 15:46:54 - [28] - Quote Tippia wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Hir Miriel wrote: afkalt wrote: Might as well be first Is this backfilling, CCP? Does that mean we all get 400,000? Sod the new players, this is what I would like to know too! Presumably, your character wasn't created less than two weeks away from the patch. So no. So perhaps this character will be getting 400,000 Skill points given to them?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26331	Posted - 2015.09.24 15:50:44 - [29] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Well, exactly. I know you're going to produce some figures that contradict what I'm saying, but it does seem unfair to hand over the SPs to them on a plate. I for one would love to put those free SPs into the PI tree (which I will never train on my own!)! It's only unfair to those new players who don't get the skills from the start. You already have them. That's why they get the SP and you do not. Get your own planets on your own time, dammit. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Johnny Riko KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 22	Posted - 2015.09.24 16:08:53 - [30] - Quote Tippia wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Well, exactly. I know you're going to produce some figures that contradict what I'm saying, but it does seem unfair to hand over the SPs to them on a plate. I for one would love to put those free SPs into the PI tree (which I will never train on my own!)! It's only unfair to those new players who don't get the skills from the start. You already have them. That's why they get the SP and you do not. Get your own planets on your own time, dammit. We paid 1-2 weeks worth of subscription to train those skills, now they are given to new players for free. How is that fair? Typical "help the nubs, screw the vets" game developer mentality. I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.

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