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Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:07:00 - [1] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:10:46 So I've been out ratting with my t2 drones. I'm soloing triple battleship spawns with only drones and am making moderate work at them. One battleship spawn takes 5 Hammerhead IIs 2 minutes and 8 seconds to kill. (1.8 mil spawn). So... I go to my character sheet and cry over the fact that I've hit the training ceiling.. I can't squeeze more damage out of my drones and it makes me sad. Have I reached the drone "endgame?" This is the first time this has ever happened to me (because this is the first MMO I've played) and it actually puts me off a bit. I want my drones to be pwnmobiles of fury and destruction. And I've hit the ceiling. No more droneskills. :(
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:12:00 - [2] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:10:46 So I've been out ratting with my t2 drones. I'm soloing triple battleship spawns with only drones and am making moderate work at them. One battleship spawn takes 5 Hammerhead IIs 2 minutes and 8 seconds to kill. (1.8 mil spawn). So... I go to my character sheet and cry over the fact that I've hit the training ceiling.. I can't squeeze more damage out of my drones and it makes me sad. Have I reached the drone "endgame?" This is the first time this has ever happened to me (because this is the first MMO I've played) and it actually puts me off a bit. I want my drones to be pwnmobiles of fury and destruction. And I've hit the ceiling. No more droneskills. :( next step for you, my friend, is either to get a carrier and use fighter drones, grab some drone rigs with damage mods and fit them to your ship, or both :D have fun! ========================================== Iy
Cheese999 Minmatar Spitefully Targeting Foolishly Underskilled The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:13:00 - [3] Hammerheads are meduim drones (IIRC). Use heavies for BS's ----- There is no Spoon Minmatar: Bending over for Tux since RmR Originally by: Outa Rileau bring a nosdomi to a fleet, and your fc will most likely call you primary.
Nate D Naughty Ambitious Temptatious Endeavours	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:14:00 - [4] Edited by: Nate D on 21/12/2006 11:16:11 Yes... I too feel like the drone side of the game is a bit... "under-developed" ... -NÖ Edit in orange. --- Voice Comms are Coming* ...SoonÖ [Click]
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Cheese999 Hammerheads are meduim drones (IIRC). Use heavies for BS's QFT. Ogre II's will sex0r a battleship faster VETO FOR HIRE
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Cheese999 Hammerheads are meduim drones (IIRC). Use heavies for BS's QFT. Ogre II's will sex0r a battleship faster True, I could fly an Ishtar instead of a Vexor, but hey. :P So, let's say I get in the Ishtar. Still, I've hit the ceiling.
Kiyano Caldari Star Fraction Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:18:00 - [7] Edited by: Kiyano on 21/12/2006 11:18:26 Yeah on my old character i had Gallente drone spec 5, Ogre II's and Hammherhead II's were nice then, couldn't squeeze more damage out of them if i'd tried. They ripped up npc's in no time, my biggest concern though was and still is the disconnects meaning you lose them expensive drones Though I see the OP's point about hitting endgame, i don't think it truely applies here, i mean sure you may have high drone skills but can you fly the endgame drone ships yet? like the Eos etc..., they add all sorts of fun to the drone side of things. If so then... we should ask CCP for t2 Sentry drones
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Iyanah next step for you, my friend, is either to get a carrier and use fighter drones, grab some drone rigs with damage mods and fit them to your ship, or both :D have fun! There isn't a drone rig to add damage except for a sentry damage rig.
Sir Erighan Blue Star Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:22:00 - [9] Edited by: Sir Erighan on 21/12/2006 11:25:57 Edited by: Sir Erighan on 21/12/2006 11:24:21 You have max drone skills and you're using medium drones for BSs? Edit: You have 20+ mil SP in drone skills and you're flying a Vexor? Do your drone skills a favor and get a Ishtar (whatever the HAC is) or Domi. Btw, do you also have cruiser lvl 5 and battleship lvl 5? Some Gallente ships give dmg bonuses to drones each lvl (which I'm sure you know).
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Verone Originally by: Cheese999 Hammerheads are meduim drones (IIRC). Use heavies for BS's QFT. Ogre II's will sex0r a battleship faster True, I could fly an Ishtar instead of a Vexor, but hey. :P So, let's say I get in the Ishtar. Still, I've hit the ceiling. So you have trained: Cruiser 5 Drones 5 Drone Interfacing 5 Scout Drones 5 Combat Drone Operation 5 Heavy Drones 5 Racial Drone Specs 5 ? -----
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:24:00 - [11] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:24:54 Originally by: Sir Erighan You have max drone skills and you're using medium drones for BSs? Yeah because I fly a Navy Vexor as opposed to an Ishtar. Preference. Again, the drones - Preference. Maybe eventually when I get tired of paying two and a half mil per drone I'll migrate to Ogre IIs, but for now I'll stick with my hammerheads. Kiyano - Eos doesn't give any drone bonus except for dronebay space. Originally by: Chronus26 So you have trained: Cruiser 5 Drones 5 Drone Interfacing 5 Scout Drones 5 Combat Drone Operation 5 Heavy Drones 5 Racial Drone Specs 5 ? Yes.
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:25:00 - [12] myrimadon with dual web + heavy t2 drones? myramidon > ishtar as my gets 10% drone bonus/ level yet ishtar is bugged and gets 5%. you can also fit a nice tank on the myramidon and if its for ratting id fit small guns for the frigs and use the drones for anything bigger. *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Tako Alvarez Gallente Dkiller Delta Force Corp.	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:26:00 - [13] So you have Gallente BS Lvl 5 and tried your drones on a dominix? Actually I don¦t know if that¦s what you were looking for, but at least it should solve your "hit the skill ceiling" problem for around 30 days : ) regards
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:27:00 - [14] Originally by: slothe myrimadon with dual web + heavy t2 drones? myramidon > ishtar as my gets 10% drone bonus/ level yet ishtar is bugged and gets 5%. you can also fit a nice tank on the myramidon and if its for ratting id fit small guns for the frigs and use the drones for anything bigger. Yeah the Myrmidon is a nice ship. I think it's sleek and sexy. But again, it's not my Vexor. See here's the thing. You can fit tons of mods to increase damage to guns that are fitted on your ship, and there are mods you can fit to your ship to increase drone speed and range and rigs to do the same, but there are NO DAMAGE MODS FOR DRONES.
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Iyanah next step for you, my friend, is either to get a carrier and use fighter drones, grab some drone rigs with damage mods and fit them to your ship, or both :D have fun! There isn't a drone rig to add damage except for a sentry damage rig. ah, yes, good point. i never payed attention to drone rigs, tbh, i recalled a damage bonus, failed to recall that it only applied to sentries. ========================================== Iy
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:30:00 - [16] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:33:01 Dominix: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Ishtar: Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Vexor: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level. What's the difference? Here's the problem - Drones will do the same damage on any drone ship there is. You can't get a ship with a 15% bonus or anything like that. All the ships only give you 10% extra per level. The only thing I wish they'd do - and this would cause me to jump into an Ishtar immediately - is give the Ishtar even a 5% bonus to damage per HAC level trained.
Ebedar Gallente Primary Intelligence	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:32:00 - [17] I don't think we'll ever see drone damage mods to be honest, despite them being 'introduced' with the drone changes. Most of the drone modules are fairly meh, except in specific circumstances. The one that would be genuinely useful still hasn't been released a year after it was put forward. ~ ioctl
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:33:00 - [18] Originally by: slothe myrimadon with dual web + heavy t2 drones? myramidon > ishtar as my gets 10% drone bonus/ level yet ishtar is bugged and gets 5%. you can also fit a nice tank on the myramidon and if its for ratting id fit small guns for the frigs and use the drones for anything bigger. on sisi ishtar gives 10%/level. dunno though maybe on tq it's still broken, I don't have a spare freighter there to test it :)
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:34:00 - [19] Edited by: slothe on 21/12/2006 11:35:49 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa You can fit tons of mods to increase damage to guns that are fitted on your ship, and there are mods you can fit to your ship to increase drone speed and range and rigs to do the same, but there are NO DAMAGE MODS FOR DRONES. dude the ceiling exists for a reason. mainly in this case due to the moros. the moros has a huge drone bonus and if drones did cause more damage the moros would instapop battleships with drones which is not desired. you seem to be refusing all the advice on how to do better damage using different ships and drones as you stubbornly refuse to swap your vexor and drones. your drones do plenty of damage if your vexor (which is a lowly t1 cruiser even if navy model)is able to take out 1.8 mill battleships in the manner described. so if your not happy sell your account. this thread seems to actually be a whine thread looking at your responses tbh. *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Tako Alvarez Gallente Dkiller Delta Force Corp.	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:39:00 - [20] Oh well, true there Siigari, missed that the other drone boats are getting 10% as well and I second that there should be drone damage mods, miss them too. Probably the reason is they deal a lot of damage allready and with decent amount of drone space.... And no ammo after all which is a great thing I think. regards
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Tako Alvarez Probably the reason is they deal a lot of damage allready and with decent amount of drone space.... And no ammo after all which is a great thing I think. regards QFT *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:42:00 - [22] Originally by: slothe dude the ceiling exists for a reason. mainly in this case due to the moros. the moros has a huge drone bonus and if drones did cause more damage the moros would instapop battleships with drones which is not desired. you seem to be refusing all the advice on how to do better damage using different ships and drones as you stubbornly refuse to swap your vexor and drones. your drones do plenty of damage if your vexor (which is a lowly t1 cruiser even if navy model)is able to take out 1.8 mill battleships in the manner described. so if your not happy sell your account. this thread seems to actually be a whine thread looking at your responses tbh. clears throat I've flown around and used T2 Ogres. There's no problem with them. I'm fine with that, and I can get out bigger drones and do more damage with bigger drones yes yes. The problem I have is they release new mods (Drone Link Augmentor and Drone Navigation Computer), new rigs (a long list with only a damage mod to sentries) and don't give drones a "mag stab" if you would. So, yeah, I'm going to whine a bit. Drones need more service in my opinion. I think it would be positively RAD if there was a rig that would give you one extra drone or something like that. That'd be super cool, while maintaining balance, due to dronebays etc.
Nero Scuro Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:46:00 - [23] There is a reason for the ceiling. It's so newbs can catch up with you. Older players only get to specialize so far, then they have to diversify. Otherwise older would = win. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Ranura Eynara Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:49:00 - [24] The ceiling? So you have erm... 14mil+ sp in drones? No? ...come back when you do. Wait... a Vexor? Are you kidding? You know there is Myrmidon, Ishtar, Dominix etc to train also.. yeah?
Gee'Kin Tha Specialz	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:49:00 - [25] Try training up lvl 5 on those ships that have Drone bonusses.. keeps u busy. --------------------------------------------> Plz tickle my brain. I wanna have a Brainfart ! -------------------------------------------->
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Nero Scuro There is a reason for the ceiling. It's so newbs can catch up with you. Older players only get to specialize so far, then they have to diversify. Otherwise older would = win. Hmm, fair enough.. but aren't things such as rigs and other niceties the icing for the older player's cake?
Kiyano Caldari Star Fraction Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Drones need more service in my opinion. I think it would be positively RAD if there was a rig that would give you one extra drone or something like that. That'd be super cool, while maintaining balance, due to dronebays etc. extra drones, /me wants \o/ Though i remember the time they introduced drone dmg mods on sisi, werent Domi's going around beating every other BS in 1v1's >.<
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:52:00 - [28] Edited by: slothe on 21/12/2006 11:52:55 i understand why you write the post m8 entirely, but you have to look at the bigger picture when considering changing items. lets look at the moros:- "Of all the dreadnoughts currently in existence, the versatile Moros possesses perhaps the greatest capacity to fend off smaller hostiles by itself while concentrating on its primary capital target. By virtue of its protean array of point defense capabilities - including a drone bay capable of fielding vast amounts of drones to sa*uard the behemoth - the Moros is single-handedly capable of turning the tide in a fleet battle. Special Abilities 5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret damage per level 50% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level 99% reduction in CPU need for Siege Module" so the moros has 50%bonus to drone damage and hitpoints / level. pretty insane huh thats 5 times the bonus of other drone ships (ishtar,myr,vexor). so level 4 gall dread drones do 3x the normal damage , and level 5 3.5times. thats insane. at present levels t2 drones would cause tremendous damage. but imagine with drone damage bonuses as wellit would just be crazy. thats why they wont bring them out (most people believe incl me). drones are powerful enough mate. seriously. Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar**
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:24:54 Originally by: Sir Erighan You have max drone skills and you're using medium drones for BSs? Yeah because I fly a Navy Vexor as opposed to an Ishtar. Preference. Again, the drones - Preference. Maybe eventually when I get tired of paying two and a half mil per drone I'll migrate to Ogre IIs, but for now I'll stick with my hammerheads. Kiyano - Eos doesn't give any drone bonus except for dronebay space. Originally by: Chronus26 So you have trained: Cruiser 5 Drones 5 Drone Interfacing 5 Scout Drones 5 Combat Drone Operation 5 Heavy Drones 5 Racial Drone Specs 5 ? Yes. Nice But how does this differe from turret or missle users? once you've trained all the related skills to lvl 5 you can't get any higher. -----
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:56:00 - [30] Personaly I see drones as a secondary weapon, and I think that's possibly a factor in the devs minds behind the caps on drone damage. The most effective PvE method for drones I've found is in a support ship. I used to use 2 accoutns, 1 with a tanking raven which took all the agro, and one in a dominix with remote shield reppers, lots of drone mods, webbers etc. The domi can add considerably to both the raven's tanking abilities and damage output with drones. As a nice bonus you can also pack shield/armour repair drones, webber drones, ECM drones etc for added flexibility. I've now switched to a Nighthawk and Eos which do the same job only better Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.

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