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Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:07:00 - [1] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:10:46 So I've been out ratting with my t2 drones. I'm soloing triple battleship spawns with only drones and am making moderate work at them. One battleship spawn takes 5 Hammerhead IIs 2 minutes and 8 seconds to kill. (1.8 mil spawn). So... I go to my character sheet and cry over the fact that I've hit the training ceiling.. I can't squeeze more damage out of my drones and it makes me sad. Have I reached the drone "endgame?" This is the first time this has ever happened to me (because this is the first MMO I've played) and it actually puts me off a bit. I want my drones to be pwnmobiles of fury and destruction. And I've hit the ceiling. No more droneskills. :(
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:12:00 - [2] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:10:46 So I've been out ratting with my t2 drones. I'm soloing triple battleship spawns with only drones and am making moderate work at them. One battleship spawn takes 5 Hammerhead IIs 2 minutes and 8 seconds to kill. (1.8 mil spawn). So... I go to my character sheet and cry over the fact that I've hit the training ceiling.. I can't squeeze more damage out of my drones and it makes me sad. Have I reached the drone "endgame?" This is the first time this has ever happened to me (because this is the first MMO I've played) and it actually puts me off a bit. I want my drones to be pwnmobiles of fury and destruction. And I've hit the ceiling. No more droneskills. :( next step for you, my friend, is either to get a carrier and use fighter drones, grab some drone rigs with damage mods and fit them to your ship, or both :D have fun! ========================================== Iy
Cheese999 Minmatar Spitefully Targeting Foolishly Underskilled The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:13:00 - [3] Hammerheads are meduim drones (IIRC). Use heavies for BS's ----- There is no Spoon Minmatar: Bending over for Tux since RmR Originally by: Outa Rileau bring a nosdomi to a fleet, and your fc will most likely call you primary.
Nate D Naughty Ambitious Temptatious Endeavours	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:14:00 - [4] Edited by: Nate D on 21/12/2006 11:16:11 Yes... I too feel like the drone side of the game is a bit... "under-developed" ... -NÖ Edit in orange. --- Voice Comms are Coming* ...SoonÖ [Click]
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Cheese999 Hammerheads are meduim drones (IIRC). Use heavies for BS's QFT. Ogre II's will sex0r a battleship faster VETO FOR HIRE
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Cheese999 Hammerheads are meduim drones (IIRC). Use heavies for BS's QFT. Ogre II's will sex0r a battleship faster True, I could fly an Ishtar instead of a Vexor, but hey. :P So, let's say I get in the Ishtar. Still, I've hit the ceiling.
Kiyano Caldari Star Fraction Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:18:00 - [7] Edited by: Kiyano on 21/12/2006 11:18:26 Yeah on my old character i had Gallente drone spec 5, Ogre II's and Hammherhead II's were nice then, couldn't squeeze more damage out of them if i'd tried. They ripped up npc's in no time, my biggest concern though was and still is the disconnects meaning you lose them expensive drones Though I see the OP's point about hitting endgame, i don't think it truely applies here, i mean sure you may have high drone skills but can you fly the endgame drone ships yet? like the Eos etc..., they add all sorts of fun to the drone side of things. If so then... we should ask CCP for t2 Sentry drones
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Iyanah next step for you, my friend, is either to get a carrier and use fighter drones, grab some drone rigs with damage mods and fit them to your ship, or both :D have fun! There isn't a drone rig to add damage except for a sentry damage rig.
Sir Erighan Blue Star Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:22:00 - [9] Edited by: Sir Erighan on 21/12/2006 11:25:57 Edited by: Sir Erighan on 21/12/2006 11:24:21 You have max drone skills and you're using medium drones for BSs? Edit: You have 20+ mil SP in drone skills and you're flying a Vexor? Do your drone skills a favor and get a Ishtar (whatever the HAC is) or Domi. Btw, do you also have cruiser lvl 5 and battleship lvl 5? Some Gallente ships give dmg bonuses to drones each lvl (which I'm sure you know).
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Verone Originally by: Cheese999 Hammerheads are meduim drones (IIRC). Use heavies for BS's QFT. Ogre II's will sex0r a battleship faster True, I could fly an Ishtar instead of a Vexor, but hey. :P So, let's say I get in the Ishtar. Still, I've hit the ceiling. So you have trained: Cruiser 5 Drones 5 Drone Interfacing 5 Scout Drones 5 Combat Drone Operation 5 Heavy Drones 5 Racial Drone Specs 5 ? -----
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:24:00 - [11] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:24:54 Originally by: Sir Erighan You have max drone skills and you're using medium drones for BSs? Yeah because I fly a Navy Vexor as opposed to an Ishtar. Preference. Again, the drones - Preference. Maybe eventually when I get tired of paying two and a half mil per drone I'll migrate to Ogre IIs, but for now I'll stick with my hammerheads. Kiyano - Eos doesn't give any drone bonus except for dronebay space. Originally by: Chronus26 So you have trained: Cruiser 5 Drones 5 Drone Interfacing 5 Scout Drones 5 Combat Drone Operation 5 Heavy Drones 5 Racial Drone Specs 5 ? Yes.
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:25:00 - [12] myrimadon with dual web + heavy t2 drones? myramidon > ishtar as my gets 10% drone bonus/ level yet ishtar is bugged and gets 5%. you can also fit a nice tank on the myramidon and if its for ratting id fit small guns for the frigs and use the drones for anything bigger. *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Tako Alvarez Gallente Dkiller Delta Force Corp.	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:26:00 - [13] So you have Gallente BS Lvl 5 and tried your drones on a dominix? Actually I don¦t know if that¦s what you were looking for, but at least it should solve your "hit the skill ceiling" problem for around 30 days : ) regards
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:27:00 - [14] Originally by: slothe myrimadon with dual web + heavy t2 drones? myramidon > ishtar as my gets 10% drone bonus/ level yet ishtar is bugged and gets 5%. you can also fit a nice tank on the myramidon and if its for ratting id fit small guns for the frigs and use the drones for anything bigger. Yeah the Myrmidon is a nice ship. I think it's sleek and sexy. But again, it's not my Vexor. See here's the thing. You can fit tons of mods to increase damage to guns that are fitted on your ship, and there are mods you can fit to your ship to increase drone speed and range and rigs to do the same, but there are NO DAMAGE MODS FOR DRONES.
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Iyanah next step for you, my friend, is either to get a carrier and use fighter drones, grab some drone rigs with damage mods and fit them to your ship, or both :D have fun! There isn't a drone rig to add damage except for a sentry damage rig. ah, yes, good point. i never payed attention to drone rigs, tbh, i recalled a damage bonus, failed to recall that it only applied to sentries. ========================================== Iy
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:30:00 - [16] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:33:01 Dominix: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Ishtar: Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Vexor: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level. What's the difference? Here's the problem - Drones will do the same damage on any drone ship there is. You can't get a ship with a 15% bonus or anything like that. All the ships only give you 10% extra per level. The only thing I wish they'd do - and this would cause me to jump into an Ishtar immediately - is give the Ishtar even a 5% bonus to damage per HAC level trained.
Ebedar Gallente Primary Intelligence	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:32:00 - [17] I don't think we'll ever see drone damage mods to be honest, despite them being 'introduced' with the drone changes. Most of the drone modules are fairly meh, except in specific circumstances. The one that would be genuinely useful still hasn't been released a year after it was put forward. ~ ioctl
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:33:00 - [18] Originally by: slothe myrimadon with dual web + heavy t2 drones? myramidon > ishtar as my gets 10% drone bonus/ level yet ishtar is bugged and gets 5%. you can also fit a nice tank on the myramidon and if its for ratting id fit small guns for the frigs and use the drones for anything bigger. on sisi ishtar gives 10%/level. dunno though maybe on tq it's still broken, I don't have a spare freighter there to test it :)
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:34:00 - [19] Edited by: slothe on 21/12/2006 11:35:49 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa You can fit tons of mods to increase damage to guns that are fitted on your ship, and there are mods you can fit to your ship to increase drone speed and range and rigs to do the same, but there are NO DAMAGE MODS FOR DRONES. dude the ceiling exists for a reason. mainly in this case due to the moros. the moros has a huge drone bonus and if drones did cause more damage the moros would instapop battleships with drones which is not desired. you seem to be refusing all the advice on how to do better damage using different ships and drones as you stubbornly refuse to swap your vexor and drones. your drones do plenty of damage if your vexor (which is a lowly t1 cruiser even if navy model)is able to take out 1.8 mill battleships in the manner described. so if your not happy sell your account. this thread seems to actually be a whine thread looking at your responses tbh. *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Tako Alvarez Gallente Dkiller Delta Force Corp.	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:39:00 - [20] Oh well, true there Siigari, missed that the other drone boats are getting 10% as well and I second that there should be drone damage mods, miss them too. Probably the reason is they deal a lot of damage allready and with decent amount of drone space.... And no ammo after all which is a great thing I think. regards
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Tako Alvarez Probably the reason is they deal a lot of damage allready and with decent amount of drone space.... And no ammo after all which is a great thing I think. regards QFT *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:42:00 - [22] Originally by: slothe dude the ceiling exists for a reason. mainly in this case due to the moros. the moros has a huge drone bonus and if drones did cause more damage the moros would instapop battleships with drones which is not desired. you seem to be refusing all the advice on how to do better damage using different ships and drones as you stubbornly refuse to swap your vexor and drones. your drones do plenty of damage if your vexor (which is a lowly t1 cruiser even if navy model)is able to take out 1.8 mill battleships in the manner described. so if your not happy sell your account. this thread seems to actually be a whine thread looking at your responses tbh. clears throat I've flown around and used T2 Ogres. There's no problem with them. I'm fine with that, and I can get out bigger drones and do more damage with bigger drones yes yes. The problem I have is they release new mods (Drone Link Augmentor and Drone Navigation Computer), new rigs (a long list with only a damage mod to sentries) and don't give drones a "mag stab" if you would. So, yeah, I'm going to whine a bit. Drones need more service in my opinion. I think it would be positively RAD if there was a rig that would give you one extra drone or something like that. That'd be super cool, while maintaining balance, due to dronebays etc.
Nero Scuro Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:46:00 - [23] There is a reason for the ceiling. It's so newbs can catch up with you. Older players only get to specialize so far, then they have to diversify. Otherwise older would = win. ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Ranura Eynara Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:49:00 - [24] The ceiling? So you have erm... 14mil+ sp in drones? No? ...come back when you do. Wait... a Vexor? Are you kidding? You know there is Myrmidon, Ishtar, Dominix etc to train also.. yeah?
Gee'Kin Tha Specialz	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:49:00 - [25] Try training up lvl 5 on those ships that have Drone bonusses.. keeps u busy. --------------------------------------------> Plz tickle my brain. I wanna have a Brainfart ! -------------------------------------------->
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Nero Scuro There is a reason for the ceiling. It's so newbs can catch up with you. Older players only get to specialize so far, then they have to diversify. Otherwise older would = win. Hmm, fair enough.. but aren't things such as rigs and other niceties the icing for the older player's cake?
Kiyano Caldari Star Fraction Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Drones need more service in my opinion. I think it would be positively RAD if there was a rig that would give you one extra drone or something like that. That'd be super cool, while maintaining balance, due to dronebays etc. extra drones, /me wants \o/ Though i remember the time they introduced drone dmg mods on sisi, werent Domi's going around beating every other BS in 1v1's >.<
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:52:00 - [28] Edited by: slothe on 21/12/2006 11:52:55 i understand why you write the post m8 entirely, but you have to look at the bigger picture when considering changing items. lets look at the moros:- "Of all the dreadnoughts currently in existence, the versatile Moros possesses perhaps the greatest capacity to fend off smaller hostiles by itself while concentrating on its primary capital target. By virtue of its protean array of point defense capabilities - including a drone bay capable of fielding vast amounts of drones to sa*uard the behemoth - the Moros is single-handedly capable of turning the tide in a fleet battle. Special Abilities 5% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret damage per level 50% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints per level 99% reduction in CPU need for Siege Module" so the moros has 50%bonus to drone damage and hitpoints / level. pretty insane huh thats 5 times the bonus of other drone ships (ishtar,myr,vexor). so level 4 gall dread drones do 3x the normal damage , and level 5 3.5times. thats insane. at present levels t2 drones would cause tremendous damage. but imagine with drone damage bonuses as wellit would just be crazy. thats why they wont bring them out (most people believe incl me). drones are powerful enough mate. seriously. Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar**
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:24:54 Originally by: Sir Erighan You have max drone skills and you're using medium drones for BSs? Yeah because I fly a Navy Vexor as opposed to an Ishtar. Preference. Again, the drones - Preference. Maybe eventually when I get tired of paying two and a half mil per drone I'll migrate to Ogre IIs, but for now I'll stick with my hammerheads. Kiyano - Eos doesn't give any drone bonus except for dronebay space. Originally by: Chronus26 So you have trained: Cruiser 5 Drones 5 Drone Interfacing 5 Scout Drones 5 Combat Drone Operation 5 Heavy Drones 5 Racial Drone Specs 5 ? Yes. Nice But how does this differe from turret or missle users? once you've trained all the related skills to lvl 5 you can't get any higher. -----
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:56:00 - [30] Personaly I see drones as a secondary weapon, and I think that's possibly a factor in the devs minds behind the caps on drone damage. The most effective PvE method for drones I've found is in a support ship. I used to use 2 accoutns, 1 with a tanking raven which took all the agro, and one in a dominix with remote shield reppers, lots of drone mods, webbers etc. The domi can add considerably to both the raven's tanking abilities and damage output with drones. As a nice bonus you can also pack shield/armour repair drones, webber drones, ECM drones etc for added flexibility. I've now switched to a Nighthawk and Eos which do the same job only better Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:57:00 - [31] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:57:40 Originally by: Ranura Eynara The ceiling? So you have erm... 14mil+ sp in drones? snip You know there is Myrmidon, Ishtar, Dominix etc to train also.. yeah? Hello e-peen contender #1, no I do not have 14+ mil sp in drones because I have not trained fighters or advanced drone interfacing. I'm not talking about flying specialty ships such as things you need jumpdrives to use. Second, yes - I understand there are ships such as the myrmidon, domi, etc. But as I posted above, a medium drone of one type will do the same damage in ALL the ships with their spaceship skill trained to 5, no matter what.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Chronus26 Nice But how does this differe from turret or missle users? once you've trained all the related skills to lvl 5 you can't get any higher. I know :( That's the reason for this thread. I just got finished training Gallente Drone Spec to 5 and now am saddened by this. I was like "AWESOME WHAT NEXT" and there is no next. So I ran to check out the new rigs feeling pretty confident there would be a new damage rig and there wasn't, nor a extra drone rig.. The extra drone rig imo would be cool. You could either use the drone drawback of CPU, OR you could use it by either nerfing your grid or your something. NOT dronebay space, because active drones has nothing to do with drones in your hold.
Tetra G'lle	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:13:00 - [33] So you have all support and advanced drone skills to 5 scout/combat/interfacing/heavy/sharpshooter to 5? You also have to remember that Gal are drones AND blasters, they already had hybrids and devloped drones specifically to counter Cald frigs... sooo i guess train up Blasters to your uber drone lvl and actually do some decent DPS?
Alatari Arfle Barfle Gloop	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:17:00 - [34] Originally by: Siigari True, I could fly an Ishtar instead of a Vexor, but hey. :P Perhaps its time to persuade someone to sell you a Guardian-Vexor?
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Alatari Originally by: Siigari True, I could fly an Ishtar instead of a Vexor, but hey. :P Perhaps its time to persuade someone to sell you a Guardian-Vexor? OMG GOOD IDEA
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:20:00 - [36] I get the impression the op wants a drone damage increase. Problem is your Gallente ships already do an obscene amount of damage. You can't up drone damage without causing further imbalance in already overpowered ships. Drones are good as they are if you ask me. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Caerleus Salvage Inc	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:25:00 - [37] Very true what the OP says. Once you train all the drone skills, your left with nowehere to gain exra firepower, apart from , perhaps, fitting an Omni Directional unit in your mids to increase tracking which may give you slightly better hits. There are no damage / tracking / rate of fire rigs available for drones and there are also no drone specific implants available either. Would be good if, in the new regions, they created new pirate implant sets that gave extra damage/bonuses seeing as it's Rogue Drone space. Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long.
The Knight Gallente The Crucible Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:25:00 - [38] Originally by: slothe myrimadon with dual web + heavy t2 drones? myramidon > ishtar as my gets 10% drone bonus/ level yet ishtar is bugged and gets 5%. you can also fit a nice tank on the myramidon and if its for ratting id fit small guns for the frigs and use the drones for anything bigger. The ishtar is not bugged anymore, and the myrm is not better or worse than an Ishtar. They are two different ships doing two different things and besides he money aspect of it, I can hardly see how a Myrm is superior to an Ishtar. There are quite a few things my Ishtar can do, that my Myrm cannot.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Caerleus Very true what the OP says. Once you train all the drone skills, your left with nowehere to gain exra firepower, apart from , perhaps, fitting an Omni Directional unit in your mids to increase tracking which may give you slightly better hits. There are no damage / tracking / rate of fire rigs available for drones and there are also no drone specific implants available either. Would be good if, in the new regions, they created new pirate implant sets that gave extra damage/bonuses seeing as it's Rogue Drone space. Try fitting guns. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
SamuelAdams Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:32:00 - [40] If you're Gallente, drones are not a secondary weapon. I dont think that any non Gallente player will ever "get" drones. Heavy drones will eat your face off. And to the originator of this thread. Dont rat with medium tech IIs, use heavy tech I, you'll save yourself a lot of time and money.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:33:00 - [41] Originally by: SamuelAdams If you're Gallente, drones are not a secondary weapon. I dont think that any non Gallente player will ever "get" drones. Heavy drones will eat your face off. And to the originator of this thread. Dont rat with medium tech IIs, use heavy tech I, you'll save yourself a lot of time and money. Can you give me a breakdown on the efficiency of 4 t1 heavies vs 5 t2 meds?
Cheese999 Minmatar Spitefully Targeting Foolishly Underskilled The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:57:00 - [42] Why would you have 4 heavy drones as opposed to 5? ----- There is no Spoon Minmatar: Bending over for Tux since RmR Originally by: Outa Rileau bring a nosdomi to a fleet, and your fc will most likely call you primary.
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:59:00 - [43] 5* Hammerhead II vs. 4* Ogre I http://di-tron.org/dronedamage.png Questions?
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:07:00 - [44] it's pretty much worthless effort to train spec to lvl5... you only get about 2% more damage, which will not be noticeble because of all that randomness of drone damage output - 1 more wrecking hit and spec4 wins over spec5. maybe it adds to "millions" in drone subtree, but unfortunately this additional fatness does not directly convert into your dps. training some gunnery (or what you don't have trained enough) instead would, however.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:22:00 - [45] Originally by: Xenofur 5* Hammerhead II vs. 4* Ogre I http://di-tron.org/dronedamage.png Questions? Yes. Where did you find that kickass tool?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:46:00 - [46] As they all say, Mediums are cruiser sized weapons. Its going to take ages to kill a BS with cruiser weapons- its kinda meant to. Ogre IIs eat BS spawns for breakfast. -----------------------------------------------
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Kiyano my biggest concern though was and still is the disconnects meaning you lose them expensive drones qft.. wish they could do something about it... like add a chance to loose weapons and modules on disconnects for all ships that should even up teh pain a bit --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:56:00 - [48] Edited by: Xenofur on 21/12/2006 13:55:55 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Xenofur 5* Hammerhead II vs. 4* Ogre I http://di-tron.org/dronedamage.png Questions? Yes. Where did you find that kickass tool? http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g26.asp
Altaree Gallente Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 15:16:00 - [49] Edited by: Altaree on 21/12/2006 15:22:51 I had forgotten that was in the guide! ARGH! Does anyone know of a version that has damage types pre-loaded?
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Xenofur 5* Hammerhead II vs. 4* Ogre I Speed is a consideration in addition to DPS. If your target is 55k out it takes forever for the big guys to get to the ship, the next ship, then back into your bay. Still this does make me think about adding a fleet of heavies. I haven't tried them with the navigation mod. I really wish heavies 5 didn't take 20-something days. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Tyrone Hambone	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:06:00 - [51] Sounds to me you won at Eve. Congratulations, time to quit and give me all your stuff. Seriously, wtf is the point of your post? You seem stuck with wanting to only fly a Vexor and use medium drones and come /crying here that you can't get anymore damage out of them because your skills are maxed. People have given you good advice for getting more damage by flying another ship and using heavy drones, but like I said, you have your heart set on your current setup. Hopefully, you are so put off by the fact that there are no more drone skills to make you more epeen at killing npc rats that you get bored and just quit Eve.
The Knight Gallente The Crucible Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:18:00 - [52] Originally by: Tyrone Hambone Sounds to me you won at Eve. Congratulations, time to quit and give me all your stuff. Seriously, wtf is the point of your post? You seem stuck with wanting to only fly a Vexor and use medium drones and come /crying here that you can't get anymore damage out of them because your skills are maxed. People have given you good advice for getting more damage by flying another ship and using heavy drones, but like I said, you have your heart set on your current setup. Hopefully, you are so put off by the fact that there are no more drone skills to make you more epeen at killing npc rats that you get bored and just quit Eve. Ignore this little troll... To the OP, do you currently fly with any of the drone modules? The reason I ask is, on thr Ishtar (PvE) setups, 2-cap II's can pretty much run everything full time, so that leaves you with a few extra mid-slots to play with. The extra speed and tracking modules really seem to add a lot of punch to drones. For example, Ogre II's with those 2 mods fitted really smash the hell out of NPC battlecruisers and battleships.
Areconus	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:21:00 - [53] I dont understand this thread....youve maxed out your drone skills and now your sad because you cant get any more damage?....so? People who have maxed out missile skills or gunnery skills cant get any more damage on their respective weapons with the exception of damage mods. Damage mods exist for guns and missiles because they are primary weapon systems, while drones are not. If they gave damage mods to drones, then gallente could be using 2 primary weapon systems at the same time. I think it should stay exactly the way it is. Instead, why dont you go find a new tree to train up like blasters or something.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:50:00 - [54] Damage mods for drones would unbalance teh things. Its been discussed, was discussed last year around this time, and everyone esp. the devs agreed, they'd unbalanced stuff. They were slotted for RMR, but were taken out last minute. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:57:40 Originally by: Ranura Eynara The ceiling? So you have erm... 14mil+ sp in drones? snip You know there is Myrmidon, Ishtar, Dominix etc to train also.. yeah? Hello e-peen contender #1, no I do not have 14+ mil sp in drones because I have not trained fighters or advanced drone interfacing. I'm not talking about flying specialty ships such as things you need jumpdrives to use. Second, yes - I understand there are ships such as the myrmidon, domi, etc. But as I posted above, a medium drone of one type will do the same damage in ALL the ships with their spaceship skill trained to 5, no matter what. Very good, medium drones ina dominix will take just as long to kill a BS as in a vexor. Stunning logic, still takes 2min to kill stuff. Get a myrmidon or fly a dominix, otherwise, stop ***ing. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.21 17:00:00 - [56] Seems people that use drones always whine that something is wrong with them, and the people that dont have 5 mill SP invested in drones think they are fine. ______________ Pod from above.
Azrael Bierce Cult of Lemen	Posted - 2006.12.21 17:03:00 - [57] Rat in a Moros. 50% to drone damage.
PirateShampoo S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.21 18:03:00 - [58] I thought it was at first but just checked, advanced drone interfacing allows u to contoll +1 drone per lvl thus giving u more damage that way. Its drone interfacing that gives u 20% per lvl.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.21 18:33:00 - [59] Edited by: Plutoinum on 21/12/2006 18:33:25 I don't see the difference to missiles and guns. Couldn't improve my ratting raven much with skills only a few percent due to maxing out specialisation skills and warhead-upgrades, but I really don't care about that. During the last months I've been using my 3 siege, 3 cruise fitting with 4 bcs-II for mixed spawns and didn't touch it, because it works quite good. Full javelin torp setup might be faster, but that would require me to get masses of tech-2 torps ( Think the last time I needed isk, I wasted like 120.000 torps and cruise in a few days. ) At some point, you don't try to get more damage out of a ship, but try to diversify. And Ratting is boring anyway. Do pvp ! Skill training for pvp never ends. There will always come new ships that require you to train a ****load of skills. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Asestorian Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.21 18:51:00 - [60] Damage mods for drones were planned and on the test server for a while I think. Drones were far more insane in combat than they are now with those things and it was decided they made drones far too good therefore they were removed. And that's why there are no drone damage mods. --- ---
Azrael Bierce Cult of Lemen	Posted - 2006.12.21 18:59:00 - [61] Originally by: Audri Fisher advanced drone interfacing, that's the skill that does 20% damage per level right? my alt has 3 mil in drones and has that at 5. ADI lets you use 1 additional drone control unit per level. Only useful for carriers.
Zhu Dark	Posted - 2006.12.21 19:15:00 - [62] Originally by: Azrael Bierce Originally by: Audri Fisher advanced drone interfacing, that's the skill that does 20% damage per level right? my alt has 3 mil in drones and has that at 5. ADI lets you use 1 additional drone control unit per level. Only useful for carriers. Can't it be used to control 5+ light drones in an Ishkur?
Caerleus Salvage Inc	Posted - 2006.12.21 20:05:00 - [63] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Caerleus Blurb Try fitting guns. Aye...and I assume your comment to every Amarr laser user suffering cap issues is to fit projectiles... Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long.
Wiggy69 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 20:47:00 - [64] Originally by: Zhu Dark Originally by: Azrael Bierce Originally by: Audri Fisher advanced drone interfacing, that's the skill that does 20% damage per level right? my alt has 3 mil in drones and has that at 5. ADI lets you use 1 additional drone control unit per level. Only useful for carriers. Can't it be used to control 5+ light drones in an Ishkur? I suppose so.... but it'd have to have 75,000 grid. Drone Control Units can ONLY be used on Carriers and Motherships. ----- Wiggy's Bad Spelling and Grammar Complaints Department
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.21 20:59:00 - [65] Get a Rax with tech 2 blasters and check how long it takes to kill same bs.
Kalixa Hihro	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:10:00 - [66] Try using large drones. If you've hit the ceiling and maxed your skills, large t2 drones should take way less than 2 minutes to kill a BS. T1 large drones take less than 2 minutes. I think you are using the wrong tool for the job. Some things you've left out: What level are your other drone skills? (especially Drone Interfacing) What type of npcs? The reason for using medium drones on a BS? If you aren't flying a proper drone BS, using large T2's with max skills you aren't even close to maxing your drone damage. Try a Dominix with Gallente BS 5 trained, large tech II drones, some drone rigs etc. and let us know how it goes. /----------------------------------------------------------------------------------/ My opinion in no way represents that of my corp or anyone I am associated with, and is probably entirely wrong.
Elvarien Caldari The Night's Watch THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:11:00 - [67] fly the dominix .. its the t2 ogre pwn mobile leaving al your high slots open for whatever you wish .. you could add insult to injury and fit it with salvagers and eat someones ship before their pod warps out. >--- A properly fitted manticore is Ninja.
Kalixa Hihro	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:26:00 - [68] Originally by: PirateShampoo I thought it was at first but just checked, advanced drone interfacing allows u to contoll +1 drone per lvl thus giving u more damage that way. Its drone interfacing that gives u 20% per lvl. well technically it allows you to use one drone control unit per level, which allows you to use one more drone. Takes a high slot. Given the power and cpu requirements: powergrid usagepowergrid usage 75000 MW cpu usagecpu usage 7500 tf I'd guess it's a capital ship only module. Advanced Drone Interfacing is a carrier skill... -Kal /----------------------------------------------------------------------------------/ My opinion in no way represents that of my corp or anyone I am associated with, and is probably entirely wrong.
Sadayiel Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:32:00 - [69] Edited by: Sadayiel on 21/12/2006 21:32:58 Quote: Get a Rax with tech 2 blasters and check how long it takes to kill same bs. Let's be Serious Drones wasn't designed as main weapon system, but mostly as a backup weapon, it's easy to check mostly due all droneboats, are designed on a base tank then drones as weapons. now compare blasters with drones. bigger blaster/drone size = more dmg (neutrons heavy) bigger blaster = tank sacrifice, gank over tank. bigger drone = replacement sacrifice, gank increase tank remains equal and you only lost dmg if drones get killed.. so now tell me why i can't fit a thorax/megathron with best blaster and best tank, while all drone boats just can fit best tank keep high dmg (due drones) and even spare grid to fit nos/extra weapons to increase even more his dmg. When u can fly a ship with best tank possible, with nearly 100% dps from his primary weapon system (working both in short and long range), and can choose more dmg or disable enemy ships due NOS (without need to get in range/track target) or ECM. Never wonder why ppl think drones works fine?? Banana's 4tw - Xorus
Victor Ramirez	Posted - 2006.12.21 22:31:00 - [70] Originally by: Plutoinum I don't see the difference to missiles and guns. When you've maxed out your missile skills and want more damage, you fit a bunch of BCUs. Then you save up for tech II or faction BCUs. If the BCUs aren't enough you go and buy a 5% hardwiring or two. After that you slap a couple of rigs on your boat. There's a lot of room for improving your damage. If you're done training drone skills you're done, that's all there is.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:38:00 - [71] Firstly, rigs are rather useless to increase gun/missile max dps because they share stacking penalities with damagemods. If you have 3 damagemods fitted a 10% damage rig gives you effeciently a 2.5% dos boost. Not the most effective use of a rig slot. Secondly, the reason why there are no drone damage rigs out there is because they do not need any. An Ishtar does with 5 t2 ogres 466 dps (drones only, no guns). The other HACs are rather hard pressed to get to that number with damagemods.
Miranda Duvall Gallente OPM Holdings	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:48:00 - [72] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 12:24:06 Originally by: Alatari Originally by: Siigari True, I could fly an Ishtar instead of a Vexor, but hey. :P Perhaps its time to persuade someone to sell you a Guardian-Vexor? OMG GOOD IDEA wtf - no damage mod anymore, but they increased the dronebay to 125m3, so I think that would do an effective 150% bonus to damage, instead of 200%. Still pretty good. I want a Guardian Vex! Check again: Last I heard the Guardian Vexor still has that old +1 drone per level bonus (the only non-capital ship that has that, it was "forgotten" during the drone rework, might be intentional, might not be) Maybe it has been fixed by now, but IF it still has that bonus, you'll double your damage, for a mere 20B isk or so Isn't it great being a skill collector? Top 20 My Skills
Kenneys	Posted - 2006.12.22 00:56:00 - [73] pokes siigari for hitting the ceiling
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.12.22 01:16:00 - [74] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:33:01 Dominix: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Ishtar: Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level. Vexor: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level. Have you thought of the fact that, unlike missiles and turrets, drones do not take up highslots? What's the difference? Here's the problem - Drones will do the same damage on any drone ship there is. You can't get a ship with a 15% bonus or anything like that. All the ships only give you 10% extra per level. The only thing I wish they'd do - and this would cause me to jump into an Ishtar immediately - is give the Ishtar even a 5% bonus to damage per HAC level trained. -- Originally by: Ghosthowl At what level can i PVP?
Solant Minmatar C A P S U L E Edge of Sanity	Posted - 2006.12.22 01:21:00 - [75] Edited by: Solant on 22/12/2006 01:24:20 Realistically, making drones much stronger than they are already would tip the scales towards overpowering gallente- which they already are approaching anyway. Would you not agree? Drones as they are now add a lot of DPS to any ship setup, not even taking turrets into account. Besides, you're just gonna say the same thing again in 3 months when you max any new skills.. It would be nice, but maybe you should focus your SP's somewhere else.. Quote: I'm soloing triple battleship spawns with only drones and am making moderate work at them. Quote: One battleship spawn takes 5 Hammerhead IIs 2 minutes and 8 seconds to kill. (1.8 mil spawn). ...unless this is just an epeen "my drones can kill npc's THIS FAST OMGWOW look at me" thread, in which case forget I even posted.
Kldraina	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:08:00 - [76] A lot of people are missing the basic complaint: The OP reached the end of the "level grind" for drones. With guns or missiles, faction gear is available for continued climbing, a fact that I'm sure is a large part of why said gear costs so much. For Drones, however, there are none. Perhaps now it is time to start introducing faction drone mods. Maybe have a faction drone damage mod that adds 5% extra damage, and an Officer version that adds 10%, plus a whole bunch in between. As long as they are sufficiently rare, it shouldn't mess up balance much.

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