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Azrael Bierce
Cult of Lemen
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Posted - 2006.12.21 18:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Audri Fisher
advanced drone interfacing, that's the skill that does 20% damage per level right?
my alt has 3 mil in drones and has that at 5. 
ADI lets you use 1 additional drone control unit per level. Only useful for carriers.
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Zhu Dark
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Posted - 2006.12.21 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Azrael Bierce
Originally by: Audri Fisher
advanced drone interfacing, that's the skill that does 20% damage per level right?
my alt has 3 mil in drones and has that at 5.
ADI lets you use 1 additional drone control unit per level. Only useful for carriers.
Can't it be used to control 5+ light drones in an Ishkur?
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Caerleus
Salvage Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.21 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Originally by: Caerleus
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Try fitting guns.
Aye...and I assume your comment to every Amarr laser user suffering cap issues is to fit projectiles...
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Wiggy69
5punkorp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zhu Dark
Originally by: Azrael Bierce
Originally by: Audri Fisher
advanced drone interfacing, that's the skill that does 20% damage per level right?
my alt has 3 mil in drones and has that at 5.
ADI lets you use 1 additional drone control unit per level. Only useful for carriers.
Can't it be used to control 5+ light drones in an Ishkur?
I suppose so.... but it'd have to have 75,000 grid.
Drone Control Units can ONLY be used on Carriers and Motherships.
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Ishmael Hansen
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.21 20:59:00 -
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Get a Rax with tech 2 blasters and check how long it takes to kill same bs.
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2006.12.21 21:10:00 -
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Try using large drones. If you've hit the ceiling and maxed your skills, large t2 drones should take way less than 2 minutes to kill a BS. T1 large drones take less than 2 minutes.
I think you are using the wrong tool for the job. Some things you've left out:
What level are your other drone skills? (especially Drone Interfacing)
What type of npcs?
The reason for using medium drones on a BS?
If you aren't flying a proper drone BS, using large T2's with max skills you aren't even close to maxing your drone damage.
Try a Dominix with Gallente BS 5 trained, large tech II drones, some drone rigs etc. and let us know how it goes.
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Elvarien
Caldari
The Night's Watch
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.12.21 21:11:00 -
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fly the dominix .. its the t2 ogre pwn mobile leaving al your high slots open for whatever you wish .. you could add insult to injury and fit it with salvagers and eat someones ship before their pod warps out.
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2006.12.21 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: PirateShampoo
I thought it was at first but just checked, advanced drone interfacing allows u to contoll +1 drone per lvl thus giving u more damage that way. Its drone interfacing that gives u 20% per lvl.
well technically it allows you to use one drone control unit per level, which allows you to use one more drone. Takes a high slot. Given the power and cpu requirements:
powergrid usagepowergrid usage
75000 MW
cpu usagecpu usage
7500 tf
I'd guess it's a capital ship only module.
Advanced Drone Interfacing is a carrier skill...
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.21 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sadayiel on 21/12/2006 21:32:58
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Get a Rax with tech 2 blasters and check how long it takes to kill same bs.
Let's be Serious Drones wasn't designed as main weapon system, but mostly as a backup weapon, it's easy to check mostly due all droneboats, are designed on a base tank then drones as weapons.
now compare blasters with drones.
bigger blaster/drone size = more dmg (neutrons heavy)
bigger blaster = tank sacrifice, gank over tank.
bigger drone = replacement sacrifice, gank increase tank remains equal and you only lost dmg if drones get killed..
so now tell me why i can't fit a thorax/megathron with best blaster and best tank, while all drone boats just can fit best tank keep high dmg (due drones) and even spare grid to fit nos/extra weapons to increase even more his dmg.
When u can fly a ship with best tank possible, with nearly 100% dps from his *primary* weapon system (working both in short and long range), and can choose more dmg or disable enemy ships due NOS (without need to get in range/track target) or ECM.
Never wonder why ppl think drones works fine??
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Victor Ramirez
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Posted - 2006.12.21 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Plutoinum
I don't see the difference to missiles and guns.
When you've maxed out your missile skills and want more damage, you fit a bunch of BCUs. Then you save up for tech II or faction BCUs. If the BCUs aren't enough you go and buy a 5% hardwiring or two. After that you slap a couple of rigs on your boat. There's a lot of room for improving your damage. If you're done training drone skills you're done, that's all there is.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.22 00:38:00 -
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Firstly, rigs are rather useless to increase gun/missile max dps because they share stacking penalities with damagemods. If you have 3 damagemods fitted a 10% damage rig gives you effeciently a 2.5% dos boost. Not the most effective use of a rig slot.
Secondly, the reason why there are no drone damage rigs out there is because they do not *need* any. An Ishtar does with 5 t2 ogres 466 dps (drones only, no guns). The other HACs are rather hard pressed to get to that number *with* damagemods.
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Miranda Duvall
Gallente
OPM Holdings
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Posted - 2006.12.22 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 12:24:06
Originally by: Alatari
Originally by: Siigari
True, I could fly an Ishtar instead of a Vexor, but hey. :P
Perhaps its time to persuade someone to sell you a Guardian-Vexor? 
OMG GOOD IDEA
wtf - no damage mod anymore, but they increased the dronebay to 125m3, so I think that would do an effective 150% bonus to damage, instead of 200%.
Still pretty good.
I want a Guardian Vex!
Check again:
Last I heard the Guardian Vexor still has that old +1 drone per level bonus (the only non-capital ship that has that, it was "forgotten" during the drone rework, might be intentional, might not be)
Maybe it has been fixed by now, but IF it still has that bonus, you'll double your damage, for a mere 20B isk or so
Isn't it great being a skill collector?
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Kenneys
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Posted - 2006.12.22 00:56:00 -
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*pokes siigari for hitting the ceiling*
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.12.22 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:33:01
Dominix: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Large Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level.
Ishtar: Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints and damage per skill level.
Vexor: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level.
Have you thought of the fact that, unlike missiles and turrets, drones do not take up highslots?
What's the difference?
Here's the problem - Drones will do the same damage on any drone ship there is. You can't get a ship with a 15% bonus or anything like that. All the ships only give you 10% extra per level. The only thing I wish they'd do - and this would cause me to jump into an Ishtar immediately - is give the Ishtar even a 5% bonus to damage per HAC level trained.
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Solant
Minmatar
C A P S U L E
Edge of Sanity
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Posted - 2006.12.22 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Solant on 22/12/2006 01:24:20
Realistically, making drones much stronger than they are already would tip the scales towards overpowering gallente- which they already are approaching anyway. Would you not agree? Drones as they are now add a lot of DPS to any ship setup, not even taking turrets into account. Besides, you're just gonna say the same thing again in 3 months when you max any new skills.. It would be nice, but maybe you should focus your SP's somewhere else..
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I'm soloing triple battleship spawns with only drones and am making moderate work at them.
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One battleship spawn takes 5 Hammerhead IIs 2 minutes and 8 seconds to kill. (1.8 mil spawn).
...unless this is just an epeen "my drones can kill npc's THIS FAST OMGWOW look at me" thread, in which case forget I even posted.
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Kldraina
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Posted - 2006.12.22 10:08:00 -
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A lot of people are missing the basic complaint: The OP reached the end of the "level grind" for drones. With guns or missiles, faction gear is available for continued climbing, a fact that I'm sure is a large part of why said gear costs so much. For Drones, however, there are none. Perhaps now it is time to start introducing faction drone mods. Maybe have a faction drone damage mod that adds 5% extra damage, and an Officer version that adds 10%, plus a whole bunch in between. As long as they are sufficiently rare, it shouldn't mess up balance much. |
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