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Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:57:00 - [31] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:57:40 Originally by: Ranura Eynara The ceiling? So you have erm... 14mil+ sp in drones? snip You know there is Myrmidon, Ishtar, Dominix etc to train also.. yeah? Hello e-peen contender #1, no I do not have 14+ mil sp in drones because I have not trained fighters or advanced drone interfacing. I'm not talking about flying specialty ships such as things you need jumpdrives to use. Second, yes - I understand there are ships such as the myrmidon, domi, etc. But as I posted above, a medium drone of one type will do the same damage in ALL the ships with their spaceship skill trained to 5, no matter what.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Chronus26 Nice But how does this differe from turret or missle users? once you've trained all the related skills to lvl 5 you can't get any higher. I know :( That's the reason for this thread. I just got finished training Gallente Drone Spec to 5 and now am saddened by this. I was like "AWESOME WHAT NEXT" and there is no next. So I ran to check out the new rigs feeling pretty confident there would be a new damage rig and there wasn't, nor a extra drone rig.. The extra drone rig imo would be cool. You could either use the drone drawback of CPU, OR you could use it by either nerfing your grid or your something. NOT dronebay space, because active drones has nothing to do with drones in your hold.
Tetra G'lle	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:13:00 - [33] So you have all support and advanced drone skills to 5 scout/combat/interfacing/heavy/sharpshooter to 5? You also have to remember that Gal are drones AND blasters, they already had hybrids and devloped drones specifically to counter Cald frigs... sooo i guess train up Blasters to your uber drone lvl and actually do some decent DPS?
Alatari Arfle Barfle Gloop	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:17:00 - [34] Originally by: Siigari True, I could fly an Ishtar instead of a Vexor, but hey. :P Perhaps its time to persuade someone to sell you a Guardian-Vexor?
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Alatari Originally by: Siigari True, I could fly an Ishtar instead of a Vexor, but hey. :P Perhaps its time to persuade someone to sell you a Guardian-Vexor? OMG GOOD IDEA
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:20:00 - [36] I get the impression the op wants a drone damage increase. Problem is your Gallente ships already do an obscene amount of damage. You can't up drone damage without causing further imbalance in already overpowered ships. Drones are good as they are if you ask me. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Caerleus Salvage Inc	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:25:00 - [37] Very true what the OP says. Once you train all the drone skills, your left with nowehere to gain exra firepower, apart from , perhaps, fitting an Omni Directional unit in your mids to increase tracking which may give you slightly better hits. There are no damage / tracking / rate of fire rigs available for drones and there are also no drone specific implants available either. Would be good if, in the new regions, they created new pirate implant sets that gave extra damage/bonuses seeing as it's Rogue Drone space. Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long.
The Knight Gallente The Crucible Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:25:00 - [38] Originally by: slothe myrimadon with dual web + heavy t2 drones? myramidon > ishtar as my gets 10% drone bonus/ level yet ishtar is bugged and gets 5%. you can also fit a nice tank on the myramidon and if its for ratting id fit small guns for the frigs and use the drones for anything bigger. The ishtar is not bugged anymore, and the myrm is not better or worse than an Ishtar. They are two different ships doing two different things and besides he money aspect of it, I can hardly see how a Myrm is superior to an Ishtar. There are quite a few things my Ishtar can do, that my Myrm cannot.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:31:00 - [39] Originally by: Caerleus Very true what the OP says. Once you train all the drone skills, your left with nowehere to gain exra firepower, apart from , perhaps, fitting an Omni Directional unit in your mids to increase tracking which may give you slightly better hits. There are no damage / tracking / rate of fire rigs available for drones and there are also no drone specific implants available either. Would be good if, in the new regions, they created new pirate implant sets that gave extra damage/bonuses seeing as it's Rogue Drone space. Try fitting guns. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
SamuelAdams Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:32:00 - [40] If you're Gallente, drones are not a secondary weapon. I dont think that any non Gallente player will ever "get" drones. Heavy drones will eat your face off. And to the originator of this thread. Dont rat with medium tech IIs, use heavy tech I, you'll save yourself a lot of time and money.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:33:00 - [41] Originally by: SamuelAdams If you're Gallente, drones are not a secondary weapon. I dont think that any non Gallente player will ever "get" drones. Heavy drones will eat your face off. And to the originator of this thread. Dont rat with medium tech IIs, use heavy tech I, you'll save yourself a lot of time and money. Can you give me a breakdown on the efficiency of 4 t1 heavies vs 5 t2 meds?
Cheese999 Minmatar Spitefully Targeting Foolishly Underskilled The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:57:00 - [42] Why would you have 4 heavy drones as opposed to 5? ----- There is no Spoon Minmatar: Bending over for Tux since RmR Originally by: Outa Rileau bring a nosdomi to a fleet, and your fc will most likely call you primary.
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 12:59:00 - [43] 5* Hammerhead II vs. 4* Ogre I http://di-tron.org/dronedamage.png Questions?
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:07:00 - [44] it's pretty much worthless effort to train spec to lvl5... you only get about 2% more damage, which will not be noticeble because of all that randomness of drone damage output - 1 more wrecking hit and spec4 wins over spec5. maybe it adds to "millions" in drone subtree, but unfortunately this additional fatness does not directly convert into your dps. training some gunnery (or what you don't have trained enough) instead would, however.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:22:00 - [45] Originally by: Xenofur 5* Hammerhead II vs. 4* Ogre I http://di-tron.org/dronedamage.png Questions? Yes. Where did you find that kickass tool?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:46:00 - [46] As they all say, Mediums are cruiser sized weapons. Its going to take ages to kill a BS with cruiser weapons- its kinda meant to. Ogre IIs eat BS spawns for breakfast. -----------------------------------------------
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Kiyano my biggest concern though was and still is the disconnects meaning you lose them expensive drones qft.. wish they could do something about it... like add a chance to loose weapons and modules on disconnects for all ships that should even up teh pain a bit --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.21 13:56:00 - [48] Edited by: Xenofur on 21/12/2006 13:55:55 Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Xenofur 5* Hammerhead II vs. 4* Ogre I http://di-tron.org/dronedamage.png Questions? Yes. Where did you find that kickass tool? http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g26.asp
Altaree Gallente Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.21 15:16:00 - [49] Edited by: Altaree on 21/12/2006 15:22:51 I had forgotten that was in the guide! ARGH! Does anyone know of a version that has damage types pre-loaded?
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Xenofur 5* Hammerhead II vs. 4* Ogre I Speed is a consideration in addition to DPS. If your target is 55k out it takes forever for the big guys to get to the ship, the next ship, then back into your bay. Still this does make me think about adding a fleet of heavies. I haven't tried them with the navigation mod. I really wish heavies 5 didn't take 20-something days. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Tyrone Hambone	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:06:00 - [51] Sounds to me you won at Eve. Congratulations, time to quit and give me all your stuff. Seriously, wtf is the point of your post? You seem stuck with wanting to only fly a Vexor and use medium drones and come /crying here that you can't get anymore damage out of them because your skills are maxed. People have given you good advice for getting more damage by flying another ship and using heavy drones, but like I said, you have your heart set on your current setup. Hopefully, you are so put off by the fact that there are no more drone skills to make you more epeen at killing npc rats that you get bored and just quit Eve.
The Knight Gallente The Crucible Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:18:00 - [52] Originally by: Tyrone Hambone Sounds to me you won at Eve. Congratulations, time to quit and give me all your stuff. Seriously, wtf is the point of your post? You seem stuck with wanting to only fly a Vexor and use medium drones and come /crying here that you can't get anymore damage out of them because your skills are maxed. People have given you good advice for getting more damage by flying another ship and using heavy drones, but like I said, you have your heart set on your current setup. Hopefully, you are so put off by the fact that there are no more drone skills to make you more epeen at killing npc rats that you get bored and just quit Eve. Ignore this little troll... To the OP, do you currently fly with any of the drone modules? The reason I ask is, on thr Ishtar (PvE) setups, 2-cap II's can pretty much run everything full time, so that leaves you with a few extra mid-slots to play with. The extra speed and tracking modules really seem to add a lot of punch to drones. For example, Ogre II's with those 2 mods fitted really smash the hell out of NPC battlecruisers and battleships.
Areconus	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:21:00 - [53] I dont understand this thread....youve maxed out your drone skills and now your sad because you cant get any more damage?....so? People who have maxed out missile skills or gunnery skills cant get any more damage on their respective weapons with the exception of damage mods. Damage mods exist for guns and missiles because they are primary weapon systems, while drones are not. If they gave damage mods to drones, then gallente could be using 2 primary weapon systems at the same time. I think it should stay exactly the way it is. Instead, why dont you go find a new tree to train up like blasters or something.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:50:00 - [54] Damage mods for drones would unbalance teh things. Its been discussed, was discussed last year around this time, and everyone esp. the devs agreed, they'd unbalanced stuff. They were slotted for RMR, but were taken out last minute. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.12.21 16:52:00 - [55] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 21/12/2006 11:57:40 Originally by: Ranura Eynara The ceiling? So you have erm... 14mil+ sp in drones? snip You know there is Myrmidon, Ishtar, Dominix etc to train also.. yeah? Hello e-peen contender #1, no I do not have 14+ mil sp in drones because I have not trained fighters or advanced drone interfacing. I'm not talking about flying specialty ships such as things you need jumpdrives to use. Second, yes - I understand there are ships such as the myrmidon, domi, etc. But as I posted above, a medium drone of one type will do the same damage in ALL the ships with their spaceship skill trained to 5, no matter what. Very good, medium drones ina dominix will take just as long to kill a BS as in a vexor. Stunning logic, still takes 2min to kill stuff. Get a myrmidon or fly a dominix, otherwise, stop ***ing. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.21 17:00:00 - [56] Seems people that use drones always whine that something is wrong with them, and the people that dont have 5 mill SP invested in drones think they are fine. ______________ Pod from above.
Azrael Bierce Cult of Lemen	Posted - 2006.12.21 17:03:00 - [57] Rat in a Moros. 50% to drone damage.
PirateShampoo S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.21 18:03:00 - [58] I thought it was at first but just checked, advanced drone interfacing allows u to contoll +1 drone per lvl thus giving u more damage that way. Its drone interfacing that gives u 20% per lvl.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.21 18:33:00 - [59] Edited by: Plutoinum on 21/12/2006 18:33:25 I don't see the difference to missiles and guns. Couldn't improve my ratting raven much with skills only a few percent due to maxing out specialisation skills and warhead-upgrades, but I really don't care about that. During the last months I've been using my 3 siege, 3 cruise fitting with 4 bcs-II for mixed spawns and didn't touch it, because it works quite good. Full javelin torp setup might be faster, but that would require me to get masses of tech-2 torps ( Think the last time I needed isk, I wasted like 120.000 torps and cruise in a few days. ) At some point, you don't try to get more damage out of a ship, but try to diversify. And Ratting is boring anyway. Do pvp ! Skill training for pvp never ends. There will always come new ships that require you to train a ****load of skills. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Asestorian Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.21 18:51:00 - [60] Damage mods for drones were planned and on the test server for a while I think. Drones were far more insane in combat than they are now with those things and it was decided they made drones far too good therefore they were removed. And that's why there are no drone damage mods. --- ---

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