I would favor putting the same stacking penalties on non DPS effects fleet ewar/remote rep that modules have, as it is an already well understood principle on ship fitting. Applying more than 4 remote rep on any one ship would become useless after the fourth...

The reality is most weapon systems with high Alpha like artilleries, actually have lower DPS.

What we are sorely lacking currently is a way to counter the strength of logistics on a target ship, or the ability to slowly break through powerful logistics repairs on a target even when we have full control of the ship.

I think logi just needs to be nerfed. Alpha probably needs to be buffed a bit if logi is as strong as it is and I still am not seeing Maelstrom fleets.

Why should logi be limited if damage dealer are not?

Remote Repair Fatigue !

I feel like you have a bot that auto-replies to any thread with Logistics in the title with this particular quote.

Also... it would seem you got your wish, at least with structures

I've been tinkering with logistics mechanic lately, and a few weeks ago I saw a blog arguing a strong case for shifting logistics into resist/boost modifiers/capacitor roles, and putting the main repair role on the targets themselves. I hope that is the way we are headed, and I'd personally love to take it as far as maybe dismantling the entire logistics class of ships and rather spread the bonuses over several ships. With this in mind I have an actual suggestion to counter alpha mechanics somewhat, and to bridge the gap between shield booster and extenders.

With the recent appearance of doomsdaying sleeper battleships there is a mechanic around the buffer shield they have on top of normal shields that I find interesting. What if every ship could generate such a buffer by running a local shieldbooster/armorrepper after the shields were full. This buffer would not be repairable by logistics, and would be a bandaid/incentive for people to move towards a life where logistic wings would be actual "support ship" and not the core requirement for a fleet getting off the ground or not.

As for balance issues resulting from this, I'd like to think that the current divide between pve and pvp fittings were blurred slightly and would create for more interesting battles all around.

I feel like you have a bot that auto-replies to any thread with Logistics in the title with this particular quote.

Also... it would seem you got your wish, at least with structures

You are wanting to nerf logi based on mass blob warfare which tends to only happen in Null.
Small scale warfare is totally different, WH warfare also totally different. Fleet based PvE is totally different.

Logi in mass blob warfare is OP
Logi in small gang warfare is MASSIVELY OP
Logi in fleet based PVE is just as much as is needed

A lot of PVE has absurdly high incoming damage because logi can handle it. It's hugely unbalanced for PVP but you see that MUCH less in blob warfare because forty five battleships can break your tank no matter how many logi are on you.

The issue is most people want to be "1337 DPS" and top killmail number more than they want their fleet to succede. You never have any issue getting 1 more DPS for your fleet but 1 falcon? 1 Huggin? You'll be looking for those even if they are technically more power added to a fleet than another token DPS. People don't seem to get that so we get small roaming gang without offensive support having trouble defeating a similar force with defensive support.

PvE can easyly be re-tuned if it's seen as necessary after any change to logistics happen. The content is balanced around some numbers and fleet have adapted to it. Logi aren't "too powerful" for PvE, they are just used in a number to make it efficient.

You could have remote rep and transfer modules reduce the ship's effective sensor strength, thus making them particularly more vulnerable to ECM. Or you could increase the cap drain of such modules and reduce the bonuses some ships get to cap transfer, making them more easily countered by neuts.

To more directly address alpha-centric strategy, you could have logi repair at a slower rate but increase damage resistance on the target ship. This could allow for 1 or 2 logi ships to be just as effective overall as they currently are, but since damage resistances have stacking penalties, the total benefits of logi would decrease with greater numbers.

Cool as long as you apply the same stacking penalty to weapon systems too. If everything is supposed to suffer stacking penalty, then everything should.

You're absolutely right about people not being willing to fly what's best for the fleet, often people prefer pew pew over a ship that's simply better in many ways even just for the individual in the fleet. But that indicates a flaw in the way optimum fleet layout is balanced versus what players want to fly. There are a handful of players who actually like flying logi or EWAR, and crowds who like to fly guns or missiles. We should be pushing the ideal fleet balance to reflect what people want to fly--make a few EWAR or logi useful, but have their usefulness scale downward with greater numbers. This will also help squash infinite sustainment in fleets, and make it so both sides take damage in a real fight, even if one side is a lot bigger.

DPS modules on ships do not have stacking penalties.
The line of suggestion I support on this is to use a system for fleet effect control that players are already familiar with modules and has been a big part of Eve game design since the start. DPS have never been capped on ship modules.

Now the damage mitigation would cap damage on the largest end game structures. This new concept prevents the N+1 domination that can only be countered by more alts/players, foprcing the larger forces to split across multiple objectives to remain efficient.

The current power of the Imperium is their numbers and having used all the technics the game offers to reduce the size of other groups, from sowing dissenssions through anonymous alts, leveraging the CSM to limit the effectiveness of new features that would threaten their ISK making, and developing a propaganda and media machine to keep their numbers growing. They certainly succeeded, like the roman empire did through conquest, organisation and assimilation.

The game must provide mechanics to allow smaller groups to effectively challenge their domination, and this can only occur if the game system stops making N+1 the ultimate response to every major battles.

If you are not willing to field support ships, your whole fleet deserve to die

drowned in it's own tears of agony as a few logi rep through your DPS.

There's no reason to hate people for enjoying what they enjoy, and there's no reason to purposely balance the game against the fun of the players.
blatantly overpowered logi

What is it gonna change for your small group if we blow up your structure in 20 minutes instead of 5?

Oh no, the other side is using force multiplier and ship that synergize with each other to win against our bunch of "fun" ship. Nerf them CCP.

I'm not suggesting giving unsynergized fleets any sort of advantage.

I am suggesting that proper synergies could be more fun for all parties involved.
I am also suggesting that logi is too powerful. You like letting the smarter side win? Well logi currently is always the right answer. Nerf it and suddenly other choices become relevant, now smartness matters more.