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Syeed Ameer Ali
Evil Murder Society
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Posted - 2015.10.06 18:20:13 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Don't you know that all PKers are sad little fckwits who play the game all wrong?*
*That's what people keep telling me.
What is a "PKer"? They sound awful.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3327
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Posted - 2015.10.06 18:35:24 -
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I am always right.
In any conflict I'm in I am the injured party and am fighting bravely against injustice of some kind.
Usually I can explain why too. |
Kitty Qiao
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.07 14:45:47 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Yesterday I found a newbro struggling to kill a mordu's frigate rat in a belt. I killed the newbro and took the loot from the rat. It turned out to be worth 100+ mil. Am I bad? The newbro had such a good attitude about it that I gave him a quarter of the loot (more than 25x the cost of his ship!) and gave him some fitting tips. Am I good? 
I see what your saying. But, ya, you're bad Cara! Bad! If you were good, you would have helped that player kill the rat, let him have the loot, and explained to him how he could have handled it on his own or given tips for fit. No? 
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
Bad Intention
1269
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Posted - 2015.10.07 14:58:02 -
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Kitty Qiao wrote:Cara Forelli wrote:Yesterday I found a newbro struggling to kill a mordu's frigate rat in a belt. I killed the newbro and took the loot from the rat. It turned out to be worth 100+ mil. Am I bad? The newbro had such a good attitude about it that I gave him a quarter of the loot (more than 25x the cost of his ship!) and gave him some fitting tips. Am I good? I see what your saying. But, ya, you're bad Cara! Bad! If you were good, you would have helped that player kill the rat, let him have the loot, and explained to him how he could have handled it on his own or given tips for fit. No?
Plot twist: It was a new player with an old character that had been unsubbed for a year. How was I to know he was new? Eve is a complicated place.
Besides, I'm a poor pirate. I need the loot.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Carpe Noctem.
Pandemic Legion
2532
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Posted - 2015.10.07 18:37:02 -
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A possible place to start on your quest to identify good* people might be to hang out in the 'anti-ganking' chat channel. Rumor has it a lot of white knights hang out there.
(*Good in the sense of Lawful-Good alignment on the Gary Gygax AD&D scale of character morality, not in terms of actual capability or skill.)
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Kitty Qiao
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.07 19:03:07 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:A possible place to start on your quest to identify good* people might be to hang out in the 'anti-ganking' chat channel. Rumor has it a lot of white knights hang out there. (*Good in the sense of Lawful-Good alignment on the Gary Gygax AD&D scale of character morality, not in terms of actual capability or skill.) F
A friendly suggestion from a Harkonnen? Sounds like a trap!
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
366
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Posted - 2015.10.07 19:44:31 -
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Good guy reporting in. |
Moon Moon Burdy
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
83
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Posted - 2015.10.07 19:44:46 -
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Kitty Qiao wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:A possible place to start on your quest to identify good* people might be to hang out in the 'anti-ganking' chat channel. Rumor has it a lot of white knights hang out there. (*Good in the sense of Lawful-Good alignment on the Gary Gygax AD&D scale of character morality, not in terms of actual capability or skill.) F A friendly suggestion from a Harkonnen? Sounds like a trap!
Feyd is a fountain of useful information and lulzy blogs. That said, if you see an obvious trap in Eve, sometimes the best thing to do is spring that trap and enjoy the ride. :)
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25242
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Posted - 2015.10.07 20:29:58 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I am always right.
In any conflict I'm in I am the injured party and am fighting bravely against injustice of some kind.
Usually I can explain why too. Confirming Vimsy is a perpetual warrior for justice.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Niko Johnson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.07 21:08:38 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I am always right.
In any conflict I'm in I am the injured party and am fighting bravely against injustice of some kind.
Usually I can explain why too.
Your portrait reminds me of Idina Menzel, not too sure why though!
Also, I am always on the good side. But really, Memphis Baas said everything that has to be said about this discussion. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5395
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Posted - 2015.10.07 23:44:47 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:A possible place to start on your quest to identify good* people might be to hang out in the 'anti-ganking' chat channel. Rumor has it a lot of white knights hang out there. (*Good in the sense of Lawful-Good alignment on the Gary Gygax AD&D scale of character morality, not in terms of actual capability or skill.) F
I would not call them LG at all.
The actual action of defending a gank target is LG in principle but the actions of Anti-Ganking are more like http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KnightTemplar .
Quoting a relevant part:
"It's important to note that despite being villains/villainous within the context of the story, Knights Templar believe fully that they are on the side of righteousness and draw strength from that, and that their opponents are not. Trying to reason with one isn't much good either, because many Knight Templar types believe that if you're not with them, you're against them. Invoking actual goodness and decency will have no effect, save for making Knights Templar demonize your cause as the work of the Devil. After all, they are certain that their own cause is just and noble, and anyone who stands in the way is a deluded fool at best and another guilty soul to be "cleansed" or evildoer to be killed at worst, and doing so is not even Dirty Business (except, sometimes, for how much it makes them suffer, having to hand out all this justice)
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Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3354
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Posted - 2015.10.08 12:58:34 -
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Considering that anti-gankers are often hate filled, paranoid anti-social nutcases I think it's pretty difficult to describe them as being lawful good.
Don't confuse self-righteousness for actual righteousness. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12343
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Posted - 2015.10.08 13:19:04 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Considering that anti-gankers are often hate filled, paranoid anti-social nutcases I think it's pretty difficult to describe them as being lawful good.
Don't confuse self-righteousness for actual righteousness.
This is true, they're well known for it.
It's the main reason you don't see organised groups of them , no one likes working with them.
There are exceptions obviously ,
I don't mean to tar them all with the one brush but my experience with most people identifying as ag has been fairly loathsome and vial.
Better the Devil you know.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Carpe Noctem.
Pandemic Legion
2533
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Posted - 2015.10.08 15:36:15 -
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Lawful-good still seems best fit from the available measures though. By that I don't evaluate the quality or manner in which they subscribe to 'law' and 'good', but their underpinning righteousness seems sourced in that quadrant of the holy AD&D alignment matrix.
Consider...
"Law implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include closed-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgmentalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should."
Where even with their pompous and self-righteous attitudes they can still fall within the 'lawful' zone, while still being d1ckheads.
Let us also consider the morality rating...
"Good implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others."
Now it can be argued that they actually straddle the line with neutral, and are in fact Lawful-Neutral, because in the above means-test while they subscribe to preserving the lives of freighter pilots and their dignity, there is no evidence of personal sacrifice in pursuing same.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3356
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Posted - 2015.10.08 16:03:09 -
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I think many of them are too dishonest about their intent, motivations and levels of conviction to be called lawful or good.
Even if you take a really rigid definition of lawful, wherein it means adherence to the actual law of the land then you can grant them lawful.
But good is way out, they're neutral at best and some of them are probably evil.
Not that dnd alignment makes a lick of sense. |
Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics
CODE.
359
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Posted - 2015.10.08 18:10:01 -
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Wait, if anti-gankers are lawful good, then that would make us...
Hans, are we the baddies? |
Bellatrix Invicta
New Order Logistics
CODE.
623
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Posted - 2015.10.08 18:13:34 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Wait, if anti-gankers are lawful good, then that would make us...
Hans, are we the baddies?
Lawful Chaotic Neutral.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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William Ruben
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
148
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Posted - 2015.10.09 04:41:49 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Your corp is the good guys, everyone else is the bad guys.
Even the Goons, if you actually join them and are decent at the game, turn out to be very nice, normal people, who will have your back. Being a game, corps and alliances fight each other because it's fun, not because of economics, moral or religious issues, or whatever. So, I mean, technically there is no "evil"; just actions that the game allows, and actions that the game does not allow.
Thus, your circle of friends / corp / alliance is the good guys, everyone else is the bad guys.
Nonsense, goons are notoriously bad at this game. Believe me, being "good" certainly isn't a criterion for joining us. |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
578
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Posted - 2015.10.10 00:56:41 -
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i'm one of the goodiest guy in game. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
837
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Posted - 2015.10.11 13:20:28 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Yesterday I found a newbro struggling to kill a mordu's frigate rat in a belt. I killed the newbro and took the loot from the rat. It turned out to be worth 100+ mil. Am I bad? The newbro had such a good attitude about it that I gave him a quarter of the loot (more than 25x the cost of his ship!) and gave him some fitting tips. Am I good?
good? bad? how about naughty? do you feel like you need a spanking for that? Sometimes I'm naughty just so that I can get a good spanking. Is a good spanking bad? Do I have to be bad to get a good spanking?
Oh I'm sorry this is new character Q&A and did mean to get all fifty shades of gray on ya. |
Kinroi Alari
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Ocularis Inferno
41
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Posted - 2015.10.12 20:45:57 -
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BirdStrike wrote:There is only one.
Chribba.
Beat me to it. 
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
1680
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Posted - 2015.10.12 22:17:07 -
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Haha, this thread is funny...
But seriously now.. everyone knows we are the good guys since we enforce the law of Highsec. All the good things you hear about us, they are actually true!
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Memphis Baas
696
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Posted - 2015.10.13 00:49:49 -
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Nobody can hear anything good about you in space, duh. It's vacuum. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
1682
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Posted - 2015.10.13 09:00:59 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Nobody can hear anything good about you in space, duh. It's vacuum.
So why do I hear the carebears cry then anyway?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Syeed Ameer Ali
Evil Murder Society
66
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Posted - 2015.10.13 12:45:49 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Nobody can hear anything good about you in space, duh. It's vacuum. So why do I hear the carebears cry then anyway?
It's one of the many superpowers given to those who are strong in the Code.
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Garett Rootarian
30plus
Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2015.11.01 08:04:26 -
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Kitty Qiao wrote:I've done some reading about corps and alliances in EVE and their history and am left wondering. Who would you all say are the good guys in the current game today? Is their a strong corp/alliance that is in opposition to The Imperium/CODE/Goons etc? If the for mentioned corp/alliances are not seen by the general player base as the bad guys in the game then what are they or who is?
Simple if their red or orange their evil. If they are blue or light blue they are good. no color citizens their canon fodder. By the way the Imperium is a state of mind on the good side check your good guy/bad guy chart.
We've had cloning in the South for years. It's called cousins.
Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius and it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring
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Yang Aurilen
Conspiracy Theory.
Project.Mayhem.
963
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Posted - 2015.11.01 09:22:46 -
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Garett Rootarian wrote:Kitty Qiao wrote:I've done some reading about corps and alliances in EVE and their history and am left wondering. Who would you all say are the good guys in the current game today? Is their a strong corp/alliance that is in opposition to The Imperium/CODE/Goons etc? If the for mentioned corp/alliances are not seen by the general player base as the bad guys in the game then what are they or who is? Simple if they're red or orange they're evil. If they are blue or light blue they are good. no color citizens their canon fodder. By the way the Imperium is a state of mind on the good side check your good guy/bad guy chart.
fixed that for you.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1605
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Posted - 2015.11.01 23:01:02 -
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If you really want to pursue the pre 3.5 D&D aligments in EVE thing, then gankers for just the lols are Chaotic Neutral, gankers for tears are Chaotic Evil and CODE is Lawful Neutral . |
Avvy
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
195
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Posted - 2015.11.03 11:54:48 -
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BirdStrike wrote:There is only one.
Chribba.
Not true, although probably the most well known one. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
1891
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Posted - 2015.11.03 16:28:17 -
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This thread reminds me of Grosse Point Blank:
Kevin McCullers: Man, why don't we just do his job, so we can do our job and get the **** out of here?
Steve: What do you mean, "do his job?" What am I, a cold-blooded killer? I'm not a cold-blooded killer.
Kevin McCullers: Now, wait a minute...
Steve: No, you wait a minute. You want to kill the good guy but not be the bad guy. Doesn't work like that. You have to wait until the bad guy kills the good guy, then when you kill the bad guy, you're the good guy.
Kevin McCullers: So - just to clarify - if we do his job we're the bad guys, and if we do our job we're the good guys.
Steve: Yes.
Kevin McCullers: That's... great.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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