While we're at it can we get pirate frigs out of novice plexes.

Like the most powerful frig in thw game? Worm im looking at you!

Hecate and Jackdaw are fairly well balanced. 10mn AB Confessor is fairly strong but relies on cap for everything it does (armor buffer builds are pretty weak IMO). Svipul is just way too strong. Not just 10mn Svipuls but also mwd fits just because base speed (speed while scrammed) on prop mode is still faster than frigates so it will still dictate range even in most of those scenarios.

The prop mode for the Svipul and Confessor need to changed to a % increase to speed provided by AB or MWD, and not an increase to the base speed. In autocannon fits I practically never switch to sharpshooter mode or defensive mode. The base speed increase on prop mode helps you mitigate more damage when fighting vs cruisers than defensive mode, and allows for more transversal/range dictation for damage application when fighter vs things smaller than cruisers than sharpshooter mode.

The Confessor is only good because you can fit a 10mn ab in the first place. If you fit a 1mn you are just an expensive lossmail waiting to happen.
Take it away and the Confessor went from good to lol.

The Confessor is just fine with a 5mn MWD. I've never used a 10mn AB on the Confessor, for philosophical reasons, and I've had plenty of success with it. Perhaps I am doing it "wrong," but the ship really does work without a 10mn AB.

The Confessor is just fine with a 5mn MWD. I've never used a 10mn AB on the Confessor, for philosophical reasons, and I've had plenty of success with it. Perhaps I am doing it "wrong," but the ship really does work without a 10mn AB.

Maybe but you cannot sig-tank with a mwd. I guess your fit uses pulses instead of beams so being close is what you want. The 10mn beam fit is different to fly that's why I fly it this way.

But this is also a matter of taste. How you like to fly and I may be completely different and that is fine. Let's not discuss taste.

Completely agree. Different play styles for different folks.

Important information from the focus group so far:

I'll start us off with one tidbit that we've already decided on (so that it doesn't derail other discussion): We plan on reducing Tactical Destroyer insurance payouts to T2 levels (30% of current payout) in the December release.

As mentioned in the latest CSM summit minutes, we are also planning on removing Tactical Destroyers from Small FW complexes.

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just give AF's bonus: +50% dmg vs t3d's - two problems solved with one hit

Could we get an update on what else the Focus Group has come up with for T3Ds?

As a response to a few off topic posts in the thread though, most AFs function very well in FW lowsec if you exclude T3Ds from the equation. They don't need, nor warrant, a buff in most cases.

Could we get an update on what else the Focus Group has come up with for T3Ds?

As a response to a few off topic posts in the thread though, most AFs function very well in FW lowsec if you exclude T3Ds from the equation. They don't need, nor warrant, a buff in most cases.

My concern with the Focus Group approach, is that many people are going to have many ideas, and implementing many of them at the same time is going to trash these ships.

The Jackdaw and Hecate I believe are already perfectly fine, after the two already announced nerfs, the insurance and the banishment from small plex's, I don't see them needing any other changes.

The Svipul I think it's evident, will need a further alteration to its stats, but the Confessor should be given the two nerfs already announced and then left for a bit to see if it really requires any more after that.

If you think that the Hecate and Jackdaw are already in line with the meta, then why is it fair to only give the Confessor the same nerfs? I think everyone can agree the Svipul needs an actual nerf to it's ability. What I don't understand is why you don't believe the Confessor needs the same. It's clearly better than the Gallente and Caldari versions, but obviously not as massively overpowered as the Svipul. So surely the conclusion should be to give all T3D the insurance and small plex nerf, whilst giving the Confessor a slight reduction in ability and the Svipul a more severe nerf.

I'm more interested to see what will be done to Assault Frigates, because even with the proposed changes, the Hecate and Jackdaw are still making AFs redundant. If AFs are to maintain the same role, they need to/should be faster than the T3Ds, or they need to be completely rebranded into a different role.

The Confessor is more cap dependent than any other T3D, it doesn't need any more nerfs.