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JOhnDrees
Deep Axion
Honorable Third Party
25
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Posted - 2015.10.08 22:54:51 -
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Odracir Atosc wrote:I think its a bit ridiculous that johndrees is in this group because the only thing that he understands is hot droping nothing else.
I have quite a bit of evidence to the contrary. I do enjoy a good hotrod though.
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4chan SlashPOL
Implying Jita Prices
Vaguely Opsec.
8
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Posted - 2015.10.08 23:05:12 -
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Odracir Atosc wrote:I think its a bit ridiculous that johndrees is in this group because the only thing that he understands is hot droping nothing else.
And the only thing that CVA members know how to do is bling marauders to be more expensive than a carrier... |
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Leviathan Rising
Affirmative.
145
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Posted - 2015.10.08 23:27:05 -
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- All mode bonuses should be kept for now. Let it play out longer until we see Assault Frigs get a buff and the new T2 Dessies.
- I would have really like if they kept the same insurance and price point. Risk adverse play is just a parasite imo.
- Two glaring nerfs that I believe are welcome right now, the Snipe instalock Svipul fit needs to be looked at. The scan res and/or alpha damage absolutely needs a nerf. I think many are in agreeance with this.
- The oversized AB Confessor fit, don't think there is much of an issue with it. Honestly 50/50 on this, simply because a PG nerf is just too much. The confessor is in a really good place right now, I'd like to see it stay where it is.
- Please do not touch how the modes work. They are fine as it is, if you can't work out how to force a T3D pilot into a mode, thats on you. Also, why is the instawarp a problem? Just get a point on it........
I would really hate to see T3D's pigeon holed into a specific role. Please don't destroy something that is so much fun (fingers crossed).
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Johnny Riko
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2015.10.08 23:31:16 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:- All mode bonuses should be kept for now. Let it play out longer until we see Assault Frigs get a buff and the new T2 Dessies.
- I would have really like if they kept the same insurance and price point. Risk adverse play is just a parasite imo.
- Two glaring nerfs that I believe are welcome right now, the Snipe instalock Svipul fit needs to be looked at. The scan res and/or alpha damage absolutely needs a nerf. I think many are in agreeance with this.
- The oversized AB Confessor fit, don't think there is much of an issue with it. Honestly 50/50 on this, simply because a PG nerf is just too much. The confessor is in a really good place right now, I'd like to see it stay where it is.
- Please do not touch how the modes work. They are fine as it is, if you can't work out how to force a T3D pilot into a mode, thats on you. Also, why is the instawarp a problem? Just get a point on it........
I would really hate to see T3D's pigeon holed into a specific role. Please don't destroy something that is so much fun (fingers crossed).
Assault Frigates are getting a buff?
Link?
I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
The-Company
875
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Posted - 2015.10.09 00:42:50 -
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Johnny Riko wrote:Assault Frigates are getting a buff?
Link?
They will, at some point. Just not in the near future. Maybe 2018-ish?
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Rek Seven
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
2030
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Posted - 2015.10.09 07:44:06 -
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If the 66% bonus to velocity while in propulsion mode was replaced with a warp speed bonus, would T3Ds still be viable?
On the insta-lock issue, i don't think the ability for destroyers to lock frigates fast is an issue, given that there job is to kill frigates.
Dear eve players, please try and use the word "content" less and instead, be specific. Thanks
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Esnaelc Sin'led
AdAstra. Beach Club
29
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Posted - 2015.10.09 13:19:56 -
[67] - Quote
Johnny Riko wrote:
Assault Frigates are getting a buff?
Link?
CCP talked about it in a o7 Show this summer., and never mentioned it again.
As usual... Anouncing things that never come, or just super super late.
And i thought they would stop doing that .. (refering to last FanFest).
Anyway, thinking that removing T3Ds from Small FW plexes would leave more space to AFs is completly stupid, if you are not buffing them BEFORE doing that change.
First buff AFs.
Then see how it's going.
Then ban T3D from Smalls if necessary despite buff.
That's just a way to avoid working on AFs globally.
*sigh*
Also, the only T3D right now that could be concidered OP is .. again .. the Svipul.
Can fit
- 2 utility module (2 neuts)
- 1 oversized prop.
- 1 oversized shield booster.
For just one single low slot sacrificed. |
Odracir Atosc
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
10
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Posted - 2015.10.09 14:09:01 -
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4chan SlashPOL wrote:Odracir Atosc wrote:I think its a bit ridiculous that johndrees is in this group because the only thing that he understands is hot droping nothing else. And the only thing that CVA members know how to do is bling marauders to be more expensive than a carrier...
And the only thing that your alliance seams to do is losing more ships than it kills |
Odracir Atosc
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
10
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Posted - 2015.10.09 14:13:14 -
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JOhnDrees wrote:Odracir Atosc wrote:I think its a bit ridiculous that johndrees is in this group because the only thing that he understands is hot droping nothing else. I have quite a bit of evidence to the contrary. I do enjoy a good hotdrop though.
You have like 2 videos of you killing without hotdroping but all the rest is you guys go after very easy targets and posting on youtube as if you were doing something really hard. |
SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots
Northern Coalition.
378
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Posted - 2015.10.09 14:42:29 -
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I would agree that the Svi needs to sacrifice something more in order to fit oversize AB.
As much as I would like to restrict mounting oversize AB to T3d's altogether, I'm guessing that would serious curb T3D's use as a brawler. For snipers it probably wouldn't matter, I've never been able to put together a reasonable beam confessor fitting with oversize AB. I Never needed more than 1mn Mwd anyways.
Keep in mind the roadmap for CCP. There's at least two major things that come to mind that I know are going to impact my T3D use: the balance pass that just happened with battlecruisers, and the new destroyers coming out (in particular the microjumping capability which will likely end a LOT of kiting/sniping meta) |
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Esnaelc Sin'led
AdAstra. Beach Club
29
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Posted - 2015.10.09 15:18:01 -
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SFM Hobb3s wrote:(in particular the microjumping capability which will likely end a LOT of kiting/sniping meta)
That depends a LOT on the mecanics that could come out of that.
Timer ?
Fitting requirement ?
Cooldown ?
Range ?
You land at 0 speed ? Full speed ?
Etc etc etc. |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1207
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Posted - 2015.10.09 15:25:51 -
[72] - Quote
suggestions
- make all prop mods size specific
- nerf all modes a little
- nerf all base stats a little
- nerf fittings a little
- remove 50% damage role bonus
- remove T2 resists
so the end result should mean they cant outperform any T2 ships like AF's etc at what they do best but they will still have the adaptability and generalisation that is meant too be the point rather than having stronger than T2 power on top of the T3 design
T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely.
ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 highslots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
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W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
375
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Posted - 2015.10.09 15:50:36 -
[73] - Quote
All the hate for oversized abs, they are not the problem and never were - for anything. Yeah when a confessor handled with them as if it was a mwd cruiser it wasnt great, but those days are over.
Oversized ab ships are all around good for the game. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1278
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Posted - 2015.10.09 16:29:12 -
[74] - Quote
W0lf Crendraven wrote:All the hate for oversized abs, they are not the problem and never were - for anything. Yeah when a confessor handled with them as if it was a mwd cruiser it wasnt great, but those days are over.
Oversized ab ships are all around good for the game.
I'd rather prefer oversized AB remaining as a niche tactic that requires significant dedication to become viable, like Jackdaws with links and snakes, not a totally redundant fit like you can realize it on a disposable svipul. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
1797
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Posted - 2015.10.09 16:43:20 -
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Harvey James wrote:suggestions
- make all prop mods size specific
- nerf all modes a little
- nerf all base stats a little
- nerf fittings a little
- remove 50% damage role bonus
- remove T2 resists
so the end result should mean they cant outperform any T2 ships like AF's etc at what they do best but they will still have the adaptability and generalisation that is meant too be the point rather than having stronger than T2 power on top of the T3 design
Your unreasonable hatred for all things T3 has been noted.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Esnaelc Sin'led
AdAstra. Beach Club
29
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Posted - 2015.10.09 16:48:38 -
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Harvey James wrote:suggestions
- make all prop mods size specific
- nerf all modes a little
- nerf all base stats a little
- nerf fittings a little
- remove 50% damage role bonus
- remove T2 resists
so the end result should mean they cant outperform any T2 ships like AF's etc at what they do best but they will still have the adaptability and generalisation that is meant too be the point rather than having stronger than T2 power on top of the T3 design
1- Nope. It would kill lots and lots of particular fits around this principle.
2- Nope. ABs are good as they are, even if a bit too slow, they can't be cut off by a point. MWDs have significant fitting and capacitor penalty.
3- This has been done already.
4- Maybe for the Svipul only, but it would kill its Arty version.
5- That's a destroyer class ship. It is MEANT to deal damage.
6- What ?
If the issue comes out when you compare T3Ds to AFs, the issue are the AFs, not the T3Ds.
Why ?
Because AFs were ALREADY not that good before T3Ds were introduced.
And honestly i've flown each T3Ds (at my level), and i could only see the Svipul standing over the others, by far du to its 'wide' fitting capacity. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
The-Company
879
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Posted - 2015.10.09 16:51:05 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:All the hate for oversized abs, they are not the problem and never were - for anything. Yeah when a confessor handled with them as if it was a mwd cruiser it wasnt great, but those days are over.
Oversized ab ships are all around good for the game.
I agree the Confessor is now the "fast kid" in the schoolyard and 2400m/s is not even a related to as fast. I think the Confessor suffered enough.
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1207
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Posted - 2015.10.09 17:25:48 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Harvey James wrote:suggestions
- make all prop mods size specific
- nerf all modes a little
- nerf all base stats a little
- nerf fittings a little
- remove 50% damage role bonus
- remove T2 resists
so the end result should mean they cant outperform any T2 ships like AF's etc at what they do best but they will still have the adaptability and generalisation that is meant too be the point rather than having stronger than T2 power on top of the T3 design Your unreasonable hatred for all things T3 has been noted.
unreasonable eh? ... how about T3's obsolete the majority of ships they even vaguely complete with is that not a good enough reason?
T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely.
ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 highslots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1207
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Posted - 2015.10.09 17:29:52 -
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Esnaelc Sin'led wrote:Harvey James wrote:suggestions
- make all prop mods size specific
- nerf all modes a little
- nerf all base stats a little
- nerf fittings a little
- remove 50% damage role bonus
- remove T2 resists
so the end result should mean they cant outperform any T2 ships like AF's etc at what they do best but they will still have the adaptability and generalisation that is meant too be the point rather than having stronger than T2 power on top of the T3 design 1- Nope. It would kill lots and lots of particular fits around this principle. 2- Nope. ABs are good as they are, even if a bit too slow, they can't be cut off by a point. MWDs have significant fitting and capacitor penalty. 3- This has been done already. 4- Maybe for the Svipul only, but it would kill its Arty version. 5- That's a destroyer class ship. It is MEANT to deal damage. 6- What ? If the issue comes out when you compare T3Ds to AFs, the issue are the AFs, not the T3Ds. Why ? Because AFs were ALREADY not that good before T3Ds were introduced. And honestly i've flown each T3Ds (at my level), and i could only see the Svipul standing over the others, by far du to its 'wide' fitting capacity.
2 - i said modes not prop mods, i.e. def/prop/sharpshooter modes.
3- they barely touched them
4- depends perhaps a little on 1 but its well noted just how strong their pg is.
5 - a hecate doing 750dps OH is sooo OP, and why should they get such a OP bonus for nothing anyway its bad design
6 - T2 resists should be exclusive too T2 , T3 T1 and navy should all have the base resists only.
T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely.
ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 highslots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
593
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Posted - 2015.10.09 18:00:06 -
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Harvey James wrote:Esnaelc Sin'led wrote:Harvey James wrote:suggestions
- make all prop mods size specific
- nerf all modes a little
- nerf all base stats a little
- nerf fittings a little
- remove 50% damage role bonus
- remove T2 resists
so the end result should mean they cant outperform any T2 ships like AF's etc at what they do best but they will still have the adaptability and generalisation that is meant too be the point rather than having stronger than T2 power on top of the T3 design 1- Nope. It would kill lots and lots of particular fits around this principle. 2- Nope. ABs are good as they are, even if a bit too slow, they can't be cut off by a point. MWDs have significant fitting and capacitor penalty. 3- This has been done already. 4- Maybe for the Svipul only, but it would kill its Arty version. 5- That's a destroyer class ship. It is MEANT to deal damage. 6- What ? If the issue comes out when you compare T3Ds to AFs, the issue are the AFs, not the T3Ds. Why ? Because AFs were ALREADY not that good before T3Ds were introduced. And honestly i've flown each T3Ds (at my level), and i could only see the Svipul standing over the others, by far du to its 'wide' fitting capacity. 2 - i said modes not prop mods, i.e. def/prop/sharpshooter modes. 3- they barely touched them 4- depends perhaps a little on 1 but its well noted just how strong their pg is. 5 - a hecate doing 750dps OH is sooo OP, and why should they get such a OP bonus for nothing anyway its bad design 6 - T2 resists should be exclusive too T2 , T3 T1 and navy should all have the base resists only.
Harvey, are you the old CCP? Do you know of any other method of balancing other than nerfing something into oblivion? I see your posts, and for every topic its a list of nerfs everytime.
A hecate is not OP, id actually say its one of the better balanced t3d. The dps it can shoot is only good to about 2-5km unless you go into sharpshooter mode. Ive killed hecates in ac nados, kiting them at 7-10km and ruining them. Hecates are slow as hell, put a web or two on them, get around 7-10km and get a KM. Even easier if youre in a bigger ship with neuts.
Please look at the other numbers in eft besides dps, and you will see the hecate is well balanced. Svipul mainly needs either a bigger sig or slower base speed or speed bonus from prop mode
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Casivek Andrard
Space Ship Gamers inc.
Violent Declaration
7
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Posted - 2015.10.09 18:23:24 -
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I have only one concern given that I can understand the balance issue of the T3D but they are only designed to really go after other frigates and T1(poorly fit)0 cruisers so putting them in a place where more often then not is going to be a T2 cruiser of some kind will do more harm to a T3D in FW than good as it would make them pointless when an assault frigate can still go in smalls and have comparable tank. I mean yes getting a 40k+ tank in a small is a bit much but assult figs can as well and have the same issue of dps.the issue is that a T3D can get a strong average of 20k and have high dps of a destroyer. That doesn't make it good against cruisers that can double it. I personally think pushing T3D out of small plexes will just make them useless for FW. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1482
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Posted - 2015.10.09 19:28:58 -
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How the **** can you people defend T3D...
These things should have never been put into the game. A sandbox mmo-rpg as durable as Eve shouldn't have powercreep, and this ships completely ruined the balance.
T3D obliterates T1 cruisers, all Frigates, all Destroyers, and then, to add insult to injury, they cost less then 50m isk.
PS: The cherry on top of the ****** cake, TD3 can enter small FW complexes.
The Tears Must Flow
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
1774
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Posted - 2015.10.09 22:28:09 -
[83] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote:How the **** can you people defend T3D...
These things should have never been put into the game. A sandbox mmo-rpg as durable as Eve shouldn't have powercreep, and this ships completely ruined the balance.
T3D obliterates T1 cruisers, all Frigates, all Destroyers, and then, to add insult to injury, they cost less then 50m isk.
PS: The cherry on top of the ****** cake, TD3 can enter small FW complexes.
CCP have announced they will be restricted from entering small FW complexes
They are reducing Insurance payouts to a much lower level that addresses the cost argument.
There are 4 TD3 each with different advantages, and weaknesses.
Changing the balance, and adding variety, is NOT ruining balance, after all if there were no changes, then everyone would be complaining?
What it does mean, is tactics and ships flown need to change, what has worked for years, and where people have got comfortable and settled in their ways, no longer works.
That's a good thing, Isn't it?
But I do sympathise with Pilots, who only fly one ship, probably very well, feeling rather, disheartened.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1210
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Posted - 2015.10.10 00:04:46 -
[84] - Quote
Stitch Kaneland wrote:Harvey James wrote:Esnaelc Sin'led wrote:Harvey James wrote:suggestions
- make all prop mods size specific
- nerf all modes a little
- nerf all base stats a little
- nerf fittings a little
- remove 50% damage role bonus
- remove T2 resists
so the end result should mean they cant outperform any T2 ships like AF's etc at what they do best but they will still have the adaptability and generalisation that is meant too be the point rather than having stronger than T2 power on top of the T3 design 1- Nope. It would kill lots and lots of particular fits around this principle. 2- Nope. ABs are good as they are, even if a bit too slow, they can't be cut off by a point. MWDs have significant fitting and capacitor penalty. 3- This has been done already. 4- Maybe for the Svipul only, but it would kill its Arty version. 5- That's a destroyer class ship. It is MEANT to deal damage. 6- What ? If the issue comes out when you compare T3Ds to AFs, the issue are the AFs, not the T3Ds. Why ? Because AFs were ALREADY not that good before T3Ds were introduced. And honestly i've flown each T3Ds (at my level), and i could only see the Svipul standing over the others, by far du to its 'wide' fitting capacity. 2 - i said modes not prop mods, i.e. def/prop/sharpshooter modes. 3- they barely touched them 4- depends perhaps a little on 1 but its well noted just how strong their pg is. 5 - a hecate doing 750dps OH is sooo OP, and why should they get such a OP bonus for nothing anyway its bad design 6 - T2 resists should be exclusive too T2 , T3 T1 and navy should all have the base resists only. Harvey, are you the old CCP? Do you know of any other method of balancing other than nerfing something into oblivion? I see your posts, and for every topic its a list of nerfs everytime. A hecate is not OP, id actually say its one of the better balanced t3d. The dps it can shoot is only good to about 2-5km unless you go into sharpshooter mode. Ive killed hecates in ac nados, kiting them at 7-10km and ruining them. Hecates are slow as hell, put a web or two on them, get around 7-10km and get a KM. Even easier if youre in a bigger ship with neuts. Please look at the other numbers in eft besides dps, and you will see the hecate is well balanced. Svipul mainly needs either a bigger sig or slower base speed or speed bonus from prop mode
there are lots of OP things in eve that need nerfing FACT, i just point them out like other people do, i have done threads about buffing various things from time too time and in various threads, but people do tend too focus on things that effect them and them ONLY, which as we know doesn't lend itself too a balanced state of affairs.
T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely.
ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 highslots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
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HiddenPorpoise
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
396
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Posted - 2015.10.10 00:27:27 -
[85] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Changing the balance, and adding variety, is NOT ruining balance, after all if there were no changes, then everyone would be complaining?
They are flat better than everything below them, two of them even align faster than nano interceptors without fitting. An align fit jackdaw can align in under one tick. |
Zappity
Black Aces
I N F A M O U S
2489
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Posted - 2015.10.10 04:20:57 -
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The fatigue and mode bonus decay are both bad ideas. Decay especially just leads to clickety-click-click to refresh. Fatigue is just annoying and defeats the purpose of having switchable modes.
Just nerf them, especially Svipul and confessor.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
Heiian Conglomerate
159
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Posted - 2015.10.10 14:33:32 -
[87] - Quote
Don't suck what's left of the fun out of the game people. T3d's are awesome good fun that are not invincible by a long shot.
Game's going to the dogs already. Don't hasten it's demise. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2015.10.10 15:09:23 -
[88] - Quote
Zappity wrote:The fatigue and mode bonus decay are both bad ideas. Decay especially just leads to clickety-click-click to refresh. Fatigue is just annoying and defeats the purpose of having switchable modes.
Just nerf them, especially Svipul and confessor.
The svipul needs a hard nerf, the confessor just needs to be restricted to mwds with a slight and I mean slight range nerf. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
Team Amarrica
502
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Posted - 2015.10.10 23:41:51 -
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Bienator II wrote:
i don't quite see how t3ds are in any way related to AFs, because before t3ds we flew interdictors if we wanted something solid and also can enter small plexes.
1% of eve flew interdictors. everybody else in the game fly t1 destroyers.
Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries
Stain Confederation
160
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Posted - 2015.10.11 01:30:09 -
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Bienator II wrote:i don't quite see how t3ds are in any way related to AFs, because before t3ds we flew interdictors if we wanted something solid and also can enter small plexes.
People who used to use AFs now use T3s. There are only a few edge cases where it is worth using an AF over a T3. Also AFs would be dangerous to a T3 if they were half decent as they counter one of the main advantages of the T3 which is its low signature. So once AFs are in a good place that will naturally balance T3s in the overall meta.
Suggestion for a rebalance of ECM - Modulated ECM Effects
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