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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
287
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Posted - 2015.10.22 15:32:03 -
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admiral root wrote:Sam Moneymaker wrote:Few thoughts in regard to the subject.
[lies, myths and other tear-filled nonsense] Dear CCP, if we can't have a dislike button on the forum then please, for the love of bacon, give us a LOL button. Second.
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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Valterra Craven
589
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Posted - 2015.10.22 15:32:25 -
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Philipa wrote: I want to be on the side when after a change I still have people playing with and against me, not freshmen every release.
Well then you should be all for changes to AG to allow them to want to play against you. As it stands ganking is a very one way street.
Philipa wrote: From completely personal point of view 0.0 activity day to day has decreased. Before there was not a day in which F7C was not camped, last few times I was in the area, there were no drag bubbles even.
I guess so was I. But from a much further back historical perspective comparing today to 2005-2006.
Philipa wrote: As discussed how gankers are alts of X, Y or Z - well they are already here.
Yes, but the argument was that null/lowsec players would be coming to high sec for "content". Clearly if they are using alts, then there is content in BOTH places, otherwise there wouldn't be a need to have a presence in multiple places. |
Mojo Joo
Portia Squad
40
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Posted - 2015.10.22 15:33:29 -
[603] - Quote
Hiasa Kite wrote:Mojo Joo wrote:Who are they? Obvious we will find in this category miners, missioners, traders and... the mighty gankers So, the only logical conclusion who can be drawn is that all this people who are stuck in high security are different flavors of same kind of players, the CAREBEARS! Gankers leave HiSec, dear. I guess they're not carebears after all. Nice try, though.
Most gankers don't leave hisec, dear. And ALL gankers gank people in hisec... I will drop my hat to CODE guys when i will see their first null sec freighter gank Even a low sec gank will be praised... But let's just get real, they are hisec dwellers by definition |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
3493
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Posted - 2015.10.22 15:34:14 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Philipa wrote: I want to be on the side when after a change I still have people playing with and against me, not freshmen every release.
Well then you should be all for changes to AG to allow them to want to play against you. As it stands ganking is a very one way street.
I agree, it's very much a one way street when you can make yourself 99.9% immune to ganks.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
3493
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Posted - 2015.10.22 15:35:15 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Mojo Joo wrote:Who are they? Obvious we will find in this category miners, missioners, traders and... the mighty gankers So, the only logical conclusion who can be drawn is that all this people who are stuck in high security are different flavors of same kind of players, the CAREBEARS! Gankers leave HiSec, dear. I guess they're not carebears after all. Nice try, though. Most gankers don't leave hisec, dear. And ALL gankers gank people in hisec... I will drop my hat to CODE guys when i will see their first null sec freighter gank Even a low sec gank will be praised... But let's just get real, they are hisec dwellers by definition
Ok then.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
287
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Posted - 2015.10.22 15:36:20 -
[606] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Mojo Joo wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:Mojo Joo wrote:Who are they? Obvious we will find in this category miners, missioners, traders and... the mighty gankers So, the only logical conclusion who can be drawn is that all this people who are stuck in high security are different flavors of same kind of players, the CAREBEARS! Gankers leave HiSec, dear. I guess they're not carebears after all. Nice try, though. Most gankers don't leave hisec, dear. And ALL gankers gank people in hisec... I will drop my hat to CODE guys when i will see their first null sec freighter gank Even a low sec gank will be praised... But let's just get real, they are hisec dwellers by definition Ok then. Weird freighter.
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
3493
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Posted - 2015.10.22 16:02:44 -
[607] - Quote
"Even a low sec gank".
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
288
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Posted - 2015.10.22 16:15:30 -
[608] - Quote
admiral root wrote:"Even a low sec gank". Sorry. I get bored reading drivel, so kinda phased out at the back end of his post.
Yeah, CODE's kb's got lots of nice activity.
<^.^> I'm a cat lol
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Valterra Craven
589
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Posted - 2015.10.22 16:22:15 -
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admiral root wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:Philipa wrote: I want to be on the side when after a change I still have people playing with and against me, not freshmen every release.
Well then you should be all for changes to AG to allow them to want to play against you. As it stands ganking is a very one way street. I agree, it's very much a one way street when you can make yourself 99.9% immune to ganks.
Which is an entirely pointless argument. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
3493
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Posted - 2015.10.22 16:27:10 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:admiral root wrote:Valterra Craven wrote:Philipa wrote: I want to be on the side when after a change I still have people playing with and against me, not freshmen every release.
Well then you should be all for changes to AG to allow them to want to play against you. As it stands ganking is a very one way street. I agree, it's very much a one way street when you can make yourself 99.9% immune to ganks. Which is an entirely pointless argument.
Are you saying facts are pointless, or just facts that aren't in your favour?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6891
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Posted - 2015.10.22 16:31:46 -
[611] - Quote
If I had a module which could instantly destroy any logged on target of my choosing anywhere in EVE with no repercussions, it would be overpowered. You could make yourself 100% immune to it by not logging in. Does that mean it would perfectly fine?
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Valterra Craven
589
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Posted - 2015.10.22 17:02:19 -
[612] - Quote
admiral root wrote:
Are you saying facts are pointless, or just facts that aren't in your favour?
I'm saying in this case that fact is pointless when the argument is "content".
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Masao Kurata
Perkone Caldari State
291
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Posted - 2015.10.22 18:34:08 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:Most gankers don't leave hisec, dear. And ALL gankers gank people in hisec... I will drop my hat to CODE guys when i will see their first null sec freighter gank Even a low sec gank will be praised... But let's just get real, they are hisec dwellers by definition
How about a dread? |
Edriahn
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
14
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Posted - 2015.10.22 21:59:56 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:]ROFL, hyperdunking high risk, **** off lol. Sure, some activities can be high risk, but let's face it, most of the people opposing hyperdunking being removed are risk averse kids hiding in highsec going after the softest targets they can find. Maybe if you read some of the previous posta, you will understand why it is high risk. "LOL", "ROFL" or swear like a raging 12yo all you want, you're just proving you know as little about hyperdunking as you do about game mechanics high sec ganking in general.
Sorry to break it to you, but most of the people opposing hyperdunking are actually veterans from the largest 0.0 alliances that have risked their supercaps countless times and fly in high sec just to do something different, find new ways to to kill people and harvest the tears of noobs luke you.
Bittersweet tears, you can never have enough. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
3086
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Posted - 2015.10.22 22:42:12 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Leto Thule wrote:I threw up in my mouth a little. When Sybase gave away their code base to the Dark Forces(tm) in Seattle (who would consider running a serious DB on windows?) they signed their own exit from the market. Leaving an even more Evil Empire (as in Oracle and their fiendish contracts) and ex-Sybase, aka MS-SQL on the market. We who are enlightened and wise are of course using Postgres ;) You should read https://www.periscopedata.com/blog/count-distinct-in-mysql-postgres-sql-server-and-oracle.html
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
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Philipa
Natural Selection II Phylogenesis
23
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Posted - 2015.10.23 00:05:24 -
[616] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Leto Thule wrote:I threw up in my mouth a little. When Sybase gave away their code base to the Dark Forces(tm) in Seattle (who would consider running a serious DB on windows?) they signed their own exit from the market. Leaving an even more Evil Empire (as in Oracle and their fiendish contracts) and ex-Sybase, aka MS-SQL on the market. We who are enlightened and wise are of course using Postgres ;) You should read https://www.periscopedata.com/blog/count-distinct-in-mysql-postgres-sql-server-and-oracle.html
Shots fired... Be warned Explorer! The enlightened may also use rails transportation of large active objects, which can be used as cannonballs. |
Cyclo Hexanol
The Dickwad Squad Slaver's Union
19
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Posted - 2015.10.23 00:22:26 -
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Far be it from be to state the obvious here but for the past 30 pages or so this is how the conversation has gone. Miner: YOU ARE TOO OP LEET HAXX Ganker: No you could literally do these 6 things when these things happen and I can't do garbage Miner: TOO HARD YOU REALLY EXPECT ME TO (Insert webz, logi, jams, safe route,small isk value loads, bulkheads,scout, ect here) I DEMAND EASY!!! CCP HALP! Ganker: No seriously once people do this thing I literally warp off grid because it has no counter. Miner: HAAAARRRRDDDDD CCP HALP!!!
We literally tell you guys exactly what to do to avoid shittery like this and you don't take our advice. I don't speak for everyone because there are some bears/AGs with some sense but this thread is giving me cancer. When I go on awoxing sprees I generally see 2 types of CEOs/Directors and those are: 1) Leadership that listens to my advice after the deaths/thefts 2) Leadership that just sees me as an enemy and blocks me/bans from TS I go back to their killboards a few weeks later and guess which ones are still getting awoxed. The C&P pros in here aren't posting to be your enemy they are LITERALLY trying to help you.
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
178
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Posted - 2015.10.23 02:09:54 -
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Sam Moneymaker wrote: River of tears and bile.
We really need to just get those bingo cards done.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6891
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Posted - 2015.10.23 06:57:06 -
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Edriahn wrote:Maybe if you read some of the previous posta, you will understand why it is high risk. "LOL", "ROFL" or swear like a raging 12yo all you want, you're just proving you know as little about hyperdunking as you do about game mechanics high sec ganking in general.
Sorry to break it to you, but most of the people opposing hyperdunking are actually veterans from the largest 0.0 alliances that have risked their supercaps countless times and fly in high sec just to do something different, find new ways to to kill people and harvest the tears of noobs luke you.
Bittersweet tears, you can never have enough. So wait, you're saying that veterans from null are flying into highsec to "harvest the tears of noobs"? Thank you for proving my point.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6891
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Posted - 2015.10.23 07:03:04 -
[620] - Quote
Cyclo Hexanol wrote:Far be it from be to state the obvious here but for the past 30 pages or so this is how the conversation has gone. Miner: YOU ARE TOO OP LEET HAXX Ganker: No you could literally do these 6 things when these things happen and I can't do garbage Miner: TOO HARD YOU REALLY EXPECT ME TO (Insert webz, logi, jams, safe route,small isk value loads, bulkheads,scout, ect here) I DEMAND EASY!!! CCP HALP! Ganker: No seriously once people do this thing I literally warp off grid because it has no counter. Miner: HAAAARRRRDDDDD CCP HALP!!! That doesn't look like a biased viewpoint at all. I actually read it like this: Miner: Hyperdunking should be removed as it's a way to perform ganking with minimal people that requires no additional manpower to scale, and breaks balance. Ganker: BUT MAH HYPERDUNKING IS MAH RIGHT!!! I RAGE WITHOUT IT! Miner: But we existed for years without it and you can still gank by getting some F1 pressing friends to help you Ganker: NOOOO CCP CAN NEVER CHANGE FINGS TO BE GOODER FOR YOU ONLY US! Miner: That's not very balanced Ganker: CCP WE BE SO BAD IF YOU CHANGE THIS YOU REGRET IT, WE RUIN EVERFING!
It's a dumb mechanic and it being thrown the way of the bin will be a good thing. Stop crying.
The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.
Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
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Edriahn
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
15
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Posted - 2015.10.23 08:37:38 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: So wait, you're saying that veterans from null are flying into highsec to "harvest the tears of noobs"? Thank you for proving my point. You mostly get GFs in 0.0, but the tears like yours are quite entertaining, even though the action is not as fun.
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Mojo Joo
Portia Squad
40
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Posted - 2015.10.23 08:41:27 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: It's a dumb mechanic and it being thrown the way of the bin will be a good thing. Stop crying.
They cannot stop crying, but that is not a problem at all because gankers tears have a special and pleasant flavor
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Mojo Joo
Portia Squad
40
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Posted - 2015.10.23 08:49:58 -
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Edriahn wrote:You mostly get GFs in 0.0, but the tears like yours are quite entertaining, even though the action is not as fun.
Tears from "tough" guys like you have superior entertaining effects
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Sam Moneymaker
Zdrang
4
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Posted - 2015.10.23 09:07:58 -
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Aoife Fraoch wrote:Sam Moneymaker wrote: River of tears and bile.
We really need to just get those bingo cards done.
You just prove my point. Limited thinking!
Where are my tears? My highest loss in highsec was a buzzard killed for profit (Sister launcher fitted) while I was sleepy and forgot it on a gate....Most valuable freighter load carried alone in highsec alone in last 10days was like 8 bils....safely docked @destination. Tears? ROFL....no arguments against what I was pointing out, only same empty remarks :))))
While I am mainly a PVPer, I still cannot understand the "fun" of killing for no reason empty unarmed freighters or low value mining ships. So my conclusion: hate and despise of said gankers against players understanding to choose another way in this game. Or limited IQ. Like hating / despising in real life for skin color, religion, believes....no difference....You can be proud of only one aspect: you are part of the large 98% majority of world population.
Maybe my previous post was not clear enough...I consider highsec ganking for profit very legit...only that the system should be more balanced in terms of profits / penalties and in terms of training for both parties involved. I even tried it two times...waited each time like an hour or so...no juicy freighter ...so we jumped back in null to kill us some goonies...or got killed, either way.
Want PVP?...go in null cowards!!!...lot of it around! Let them carebears mind their own business in highsec.
Any reply against what I was saying based on a higher IQ level? Still waiting....
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1843
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Posted - 2015.10.23 10:32:36 -
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Sam Moneymaker wrote:You just prove my point. Limited thinking!
Where are my tears? My highest loss in highsec was a buzzard killed for profit (Sister launcher fitted) while I was sleepy and forgot it on a gate....Most valuable freighter load carried alone in highsec alone in last 10days was like 8 bils....safely docked @destination. Tears? ROFL....no arguments against what I was pointing out, only same empty remarks :))))
While I am mainly a PVPer, I still cannot understand the "fun" of killing for no reason empty unarmed freighters or low value mining ships. So my conclusion: hate and despise of said gankers against players understanding to choose another way in this game. Or limited IQ. Like hating / despising in real life for skin color, religion, believes....no difference....You can be proud of only one aspect: you are part of the large 98% majority of world population.
I am afraid it is you that is demonstrating some "limited thinking". Not everyone is like you. Not everyone is plays this game with the primary purpose of establishing some sort of "space honour" in this fictional video game. Some of us enjoying playing as dastardly criminals, reveling in the lack of honour and taking what we can from other players. That is a perfectly acceptably way to play this video game, and while you have every right to think what you want about that style of play, it is 100% allowed and intended by CCP.
I take great fun in stalking my prey. The best and most satisfying kills are those complacent and rich players who don't take care of their defense. Harpooning that carebear who decided to AFK his goods around because he mistakenly thinks he is safe is the peak of my enjoyment in this game. The juicier the kill, and the safer the carebear thought he was, the better. Players are the source of risk in this game and I choose to play as an embodiment of this risk and I take great satisfaction in knowing my actions as a criminal make this game a better, more lively place for all.
As for ganking empty freighters, well once you have formed a fleet, you gotta gank something. As an FC you are responsible for keeping your fleet entertained, and if you have no better target than an empty freighter, then you'll take it. Shooting and killing a 1B ISK ship is never not fun in this game about shooting each others spaceships so I do not see what you are confused about.
And mining ships, well those a the bread-and-butter for gankers to kill. Fun to stalk, fun to make explode. Just flying a Procurer makes you almost immune to gankers and bumpers so I wouldn't shed too many tears for the poor miners - they have plenty of counters to protect themselves from criminals. Balancing the risk of gankers vs. maximizing yield is really the only game highsec miners have, so by providing risk to them I enable their game. Without gankers, highsec mining would be literally only be undock in max-yield-fit barge, warp to belt and press F1 and get free resources. That is not a game, not even a FarmVille-level resource grinding game. That is just pushing a button.
So in conclusion, feel free to "hate and despise" the gankers in this game. That is really why CCP allows such mechanics - to promote conflict and make content in this sandbox game. Take out your anger on those gankers by making them explode. But really, it isn't very kind nor polite to call other players of this video game stupid, or that they have "real-life issues" as you have done repeatedly in this thread. Not only that, calling people unfounded names and making conclusions about the player behind the keyboard solely from their actions in a video game has the very strong smell of tears, which much like blood to a shark, will attract certain attention on this forums that is not especially productive.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25476
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Posted - 2015.10.23 10:43:44 -
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Sam Moneymaker wrote:While I am mainly a PVPer, I still cannot understand the "fun" of killing for no reason empty unarmed freighters or low value mining ships. So my conclusion: hate and despise of said gankers against players understanding to choose another way in this game. Or limited IQ. Like hating / despising in real life for skin color, religion, believes....no difference....You can be proud of only one aspect: you are part of the large 98% majority of world population. Wow, you really are up yourself aren't you? Killing freighters, miners etc is both market manipulation on small scale and a way of waging economic warfare on people who use out of corp alts in their logistics chain. It's valid tactics and gameplay in a game that actively encourages to do unto others. It's also a fun social activity.
Your attributing of hatred, low IQ and bigotry in real life as reasons for doing so is ludicrous and an example of, as you so succinctly put it, limited thinking.
Quote:Maybe my previous post was not clear enough...I consider highsec ganking for profit very legit...only that the system should be more balanced in terms of profits / penalties and in terms of training for both parties involved. I even tried it two times...waited each time like an hour or so...no juicy freighter ...so we jumped back in null to kill us some goonies...or got killed, either way. The profit from a gank is entirely in the hands of the person being ganked; gankers have no hand in what people decide to haul, they merely take advantage of the avarice, laziness and bad choices of others.
Quote:Want PVP?...go in null cowards!!!...lot of it around! Let them carebears mind their own business in highsec.
Any reply against what I was saying based on a higher IQ level? Still waiting....
Hisec is as much a PvP area as any other part of the game, by design; most of the juicy and unaware prey are in hisec because for some strange reason they believe that it is not.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Edriahn
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
15
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Posted - 2015.10.23 10:56:50 -
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Mojo Joo wrote:Tears from "tough" guys like you have superior entertaining effects It wouldn't if you understood the concept of harvesting tears. Guys like me have no reason to cry. We get kills, fun and even some ISK out of it. :)
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
183
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Posted - 2015.10.23 11:15:03 -
[628] - Quote
Sam Moneymaker wrote:Aoife Fraoch wrote:Sam Moneymaker wrote: River of tears and bile.
We really need to just get those bingo cards done. You just prove my point. Limited thinking! Where are my tears? My highest loss in highsec was a buzzard killed for profit (Sister launcher fitted) while I was sleepy and forgot it on a gate....Most valuable freighter load carried alone in highsec alone in last 10days was like 8 bils....safely docked @destination. Tears? ROFL....no arguments against what I was pointing out, only same empty remarks :)))) While I am mainly a PVPer, I still cannot understand the "fun" of killing for no reason empty unarmed freighters or low value mining ships. So my conclusion: hate and despise of said gankers against players understanding to choose another way in this game. Or limited IQ. Like hating / despising in real life for skin color, religion, believes....no difference....You can be proud of only one aspect: you are part of the large 98% majority of world population. Maybe my previous post was not clear enough...I consider highsec ganking for profit very legit...only that the system should be more balanced in terms of profits / penalties and in terms of training for both parties involved. I even tried it two times...waited each time like an hour or so...no juicy freighter ...so we jumped back in null to kill us some goonies...or got killed, either way. Want PVP?...go in null cowards!!!...lot of it around! Let them carebears mind their own business in highsec. Any reply against what I was saying based on a higher IQ level? Still waiting....
You posted a huge self aggrandising wall of text on a subject that you purportedly do not care about. You filled it with insults and poorly thought out arguments. If I was less cynical I might of thought you were writing a parody of some of the more common posts on banking, though I suspect you are genuine. Oh and now you are attempting to role play an intelligent person.
Please continue, I am bored and easily amused.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
801
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Posted - 2015.10.23 12:29:14 -
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Sam Moneymaker wrote:Aoife Fraoch wrote:Sam Moneymaker wrote: River of tears and bile.
We really need to just get those bingo cards done. You just prove my point. Limited thinking! Where are my tears? My highest loss in highsec was a buzzard killed for profit (Sister launcher fitted) while I was sleepy and forgot it on a gate....Most valuable freighter load carried alone in highsec alone in last 10days was like 8 bils....safely docked @destination. Tears? ROFL....no arguments against what I was pointing out, only same empty remarks :)))) While I am mainly a PVPer, I still cannot understand the "fun" of killing for no reason empty unarmed freighters or low value mining ships. So my conclusion: hate and despise of said gankers against players understanding to choose another way in this game. Or limited IQ. Like hating / despising in real life for skin color, religion, believes....no difference....You can be proud of only one aspect: you are part of the large 98% majority of world population. Maybe my previous post was not clear enough...I consider highsec ganking for profit very legit...only that the system should be more balanced in terms of profits / penalties and in terms of training for both parties involved. I even tried it two times...waited each time like an hour or so...no juicy freighter ...so we jumped back in null to kill us some goonies...or got killed, either way. Want PVP?...go in null cowards!!!...lot of it around! Let them carebears mind their own business in highsec. Any reply against what I was saying based on a higher IQ level? Still waiting....
I also got my Philosophy degree for $10 by sending off a coupon attached to a cereal box. |
Edriahn
BRUTAL GENESIS GaNg BaNg TeAm
16
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Posted - 2015.10.23 14:30:07 -
[630] - Quote
Sam Moneymaker wrote: Want PVP?...go in null cowards!!!...lot of it around! Let them carebears mind their own business in highsec.
Any reply against what I was saying based on a higher IQ level? Still waiting....
So what's the problem do be both in null and HS? And why call people that probably have more experience and understanding of game mechanics than you cowards and stupid? Where does all this bitterness come from? Someone must've hurt you little carebear heart too badly...
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