While we're chatting about ship balance, Light Missiles as a platform overall apply damage far too well to small ships.

Have you ever tried to tackle an Orthrus or a Cerberus?

Even when Orthrus pilots mess up (which is almost impossible), with a cheeky Kitsune in the comp, you just jam them off.

Currently the ONLY way to kill an Orthrus is through gross pilot error or by warping 30 dudes on top of them after probing. Keep the scram and point bonuses but bring Light Missiles on cruisers more in line with the way that the Omen Navy Issue works.

I like the Omen Navy overall because it's incredibly fast, strong if used correctly. It's not EASY to tackle but it is POSSIBLE.

Once you have it tackled, it still has options to try to neut you off, while applying damage with a flight of light drones or remove your scram with ECM drones.

Currently the Orthrus just scrams you at 35km and you can never tackle it with smaller ships that are designed for tackling things.

I've tackled a few ONIs in my time, but I've never successfully tackled an Orthrus without losing my ship.

Pilot error should be punished harder in those ships.

Orthrus with Keres, Hyena and Kitsune in the comp is pretty much unkillable.

Jams also need deleting from the game. There's no fun in being able to target nothing for 20 seconds at a time...

Right.
Let em just remove cap bonus to lasers and give something else instead. I'd make 3 Turrets/3 Launchers with 4 hi-slots owerall, would be an interesting ship.

really it should be good with beams for solo, and it will be awesome in gangs. i think it looks solid now, the cap use bonus is a bit rubbish but it will keep kite fits cap stable

You are cleless. Punisher is brick that is almost immobile by frigate standards. It cannot kite, cannot hit anything with aurora, because of tracking, and have no optimal bunus to apply on range where aurora can hit.

I already have no CPU to fit its 4 lows, and you throwing in 5th, that will go to nano/anp2 that takes no cpu to fit.

If punisher get cap bonuses, it will be decent GLASTER / autogun fleet platform, where it will be rulled out, because true amarr don't have place for basters in treir training quenue.

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I know it's extremely slow for a "kite" fit but it's got enough dps and tank that it could live with most brawlers in scram range anyway. The idea would be to kite ab fit brawlers as much as possible but it's got enough tank and dps that even if you get caught in o/h web range you should still beat nearly any t1 frig.

While we're chatting about ship balance, Light Missiles as a platform overall apply damage far too well to small ships.

Have you ever tried to tackle an Orthrus or a Cerberus?

Will a 4 small Smartbomb punisher be able to kill a capsule?

you will get caught instatly, as 2.6k on mwd is less than t2 ab fit succubus, lol.

it will apply more or less 0 dps in close range as SFPL can't track in close range, with beam it even worse.

current iteration of changes is just.... bad.

Can we please get some love for the vagabond now as well?

4 midslots for a shiledtanking cruiser is pretty silly. Especially if it is t2 and costs 170m.

If you are to afraid of a t2 dual xl asb cyclone make it with low cpu/powergrid so you can fit a normal booster at least.

thanks.

Can I have my skill points back, which I invested in Gila / Orthurus ?

Gila was an exellent PvE ship !

Why the hell are u ruining ppls game ??? I makes sense to me, if you are changing the ships make a refund for those ships, for those skills !!!

25% Kin, 20% Em/Therm/Exp

The Gila nerf is absolutely brutal to Jspace denizens soling C3s.

Max passive regen I can eft is 663, with all Vs, faction extenders and A-type amplifiers. That's on a ship that will run you around 600 mil at jita and has 0 insurance (huge risk of losing all your investment). With t2 extenders (~120 mil cheaper) the max tank with all Vs is around 630.

The lowest-dps C3 site has a 669 dps wave.


So basically what this nerf really amounts to is a huge hit to the income of Wormhole corps who do not run escalations or carrier rat; The already-huge gap in income between the C5/6 krabs and the rest of Jspace will continue to widen. The rich get richer or remain equally rich, the poor just lost their main money-maker and it just got that much more difficult to get by.


I'm sure there are many means of nerfing it for PvP without crushing its PvE utility, and honestly wonder if you guys have considered the massive impact this nerf will have to your wormhole dwellers. There has got to be a better way to go about this....Unless this is just a straight-on nerf to sub-C4 Jspace income? In which case I would emphatically ask *why*?

Still no Caldari/Minmatar ships though huh. . . Wow. . .

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Unfortunately to balance anything in eve against WH space would greatly imbalance things for everywhere else.
So yes... the pirate cruiser with a battleship grade tank is losing its battleship grade tank in favor of a cruiser grade tank. Sucks for WH. Is balanced for literally everywhere else. Whrs need to just take one for the team and HTFU.