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DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:08:00 - [1] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 27/12/2006 18:08:58 Okay I am probably going to be banned for a while for reopening this, but maybe the EVE community raises enough hell CCP might look to fix game mechanics that are being exploited. So you want to fly in 0.0 with no risk to your assets. Crtl Q when targeted or in trouble. Why do this? Because it takes less than one minute for your ship to dissapear. A heavily tanked BS will survive, anything smaller will warp off before they are scrambled. Now you are in warp for about 20 seconds.... taking time to get into, during, and exiting warp. Now a cov ops has 40 seconds to probe you down. The best of the best find you in 20 seconds. Now the gang has 20 seconds to warp to you which we know takes about the entire time, then they have to lock you 6 seconds. Then they have to kill you! So you are safe. How do you Fix it!!!!???? Simple this is my idea and please post if anyone else has any others, but I see this as fair and simple to implement into the game codes..... Welcome to 0.0. Everytime you jump through a gate you have a three minute aggro timer. This means you cannot safely log out without the risk of being probed down for three minutes. Also if you are in an interdiction bubble DESIGNED TO INHIBIT WARP!!!!! You cannot warp out if Crtl Q. You sit there for three minutes. Guess what you are now dead, have a nice day wuss! and get a scout. Its simple to implement like I said, and with the hitpoints and insane tanks I dont think it is unfair. Besides its 0.0 and only 0.0 I am suggesting this change for because when a pilot jumps there ship into 0.0 they should be ready to be in danger at every jump. That was my say I hope others have ideas on how CCP can fix this as well, and hopefully if we do the idea work for them, they only have to write some new lines of code and everyone is happy. Ill see you all in a few wekks WildCat Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:10:00 - [2] another useless post \o/ For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:11:00 - [3] Make it apply for all gates and stations Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:13:00 - [4] I wouldn't say useless and probably merits debate tbh. I think the main problem is going to be the single fact that until CCP can say with certainty that this person did not lag/timeout on jumping through said gate, they will still warp off on logout. I feel your pain - really, you're not the only victim of this questionable "tactic"
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:14:00 - [5] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 27/12/2006 18:14:41 Originally by: Dragerest another useless post \o/ Another useless response \0/ Put some construction into it or get the hell out. Go save another one of your carriers that almost died to an IAC gang of 5. Or back to mining whatever you do up north, cause we all know it isnt pvp, with all those NAP's. WildCat And yes Im going to raise hell in hopes to get someone attention that can do something. Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Sir Howard Gallente SAS.	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:14:00 - [6] Edited by: Sir Howard on 27/12/2006 18:20:56 I so wish I could use swear words right now...cuase this is getting...F'ing rediculous Take it to the freaking general forums atleast "Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions This forum is for the discussion of ingame politics, conflicts, and other matters regarding player corporations, alliances and organizations in EVE. News and press releases may also be posted here for information and/or discussion." "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Sir Howard I so wish I could use swear words right now...cuase this is getting...F'ing rediculous More than welcome to. Is old to all of us I and MANY others want it fixed, so until that happens this will continue..... mkay bye now, get out of the thread. WildCat Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:28:00 - [8] Completely agree especially with the idea for warp bubbles, the amount of people that actually CTD or lose connection is minimal compared to the people that purposely CRTL Q. In a recent war of ours (not IAC) I would say 60% of people we came across CRTL Q either to save pods or ships alot of the time they weren't even in a bubble but simply didn't want to die. If people like this don't want to lose ships or isk I suggest they either stay in npc corps in empire or find a new game to play because being able to lose everything is what Eve is all about imho.
Myndpyre Ryche Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:43:00 - [9] Any change to the current system is a welcome change to be honest.
Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:45:00 - [10] A thread I started on the General Discussion forum Thread One idea from that thread: Make it harder to quit - Every other game asks "are you sure?" Then you go to a title menu, etc before you actually exit the game. Get rid of ctrl+q, and add the above process into the game. If quiting in space, you still show in space until you exit the game completely. Yes you could still crash the client (by using task manager etc), but it'll be harder than just pressing a key combination or clicking on the "x" in the top corner. - Either way, it should add a couple of precious seconds to those people logging off in a bubble for example while still protecting people who get legitimate game crashes/disconnects. I also think Mass log-ons need attention. Start a petition in the "Features and General Ideas" forum. You're right CCP needs to look at this, but this is probably the wrong forum for it.

Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:46:00 - [11] Edited by: Chowdown on 27/12/2006 18:52:12 Actually thats rubbish, ignore me
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:56:00 - [12] BE complaining about exploited game mechanics... Satan's gonna be ticked.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Crozon A thread I started on the General Discussion forum Thread One idea from that thread: Make it harder to quit - Every other game asks "are you sure?" Then you go to a title menu, etc before you actually exit the game. Get rid of ctrl+q, and add the above process into the game. If quiting in space, you still show in space until you exit the game completely. Yes you could still crash the client (by using task manager etc), but it'll be harder than just pressing a key combination or clicking on the "x" in the top corner. - Either way, it should add a couple of precious seconds to those people logging off in a bubble for example while still protecting people who get legitimate game crashes/disconnects. I also think Mass log-ons need attention. Start a petition in the "Features and General Ideas" forum. You're right CCP needs to look at this, but this is probably the wrong forum for it. The ctrl q are you sure thing can easily be countered by turning off the power on your pc Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:08:00 - [14] Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 27/12/2006 19:10:54 signed, although making this apply to stations would be a pain. just gates tho? great idea. as for control + q 'are you sure', that makes no difference. easily countered, and besides, even if you diddnt wanna force kill your game, you could still have time to go thru the process if coming THRU a gate into a bubble. that would only help if you warped INTO the bubble. which is much harder now if your awake, i might add, as you cant put a bubble in line to catch people; they can just warp to a near planet and warp to the gate at 0 and usually not get caught Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:17:00 - [15] I am seriously getting fed up with this threads, and here is why: Loging off is lame, but ultimately, what does it matter? Unless your only reason to attack someone is to get a notch on a killboard, what difference does it make? If you have a reason for conflict, then you attack to deny others space, not just for the kill. If they log off you have indeed denied that person the space you are attacking / defending, and your job is done. Unless they stay logged out forever you will get another chance, and if they do stay logged out forever, you don't need another chance. Now, drop it already. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:18:00 - [16] /signed 100% And to those saying "Well, some might actually have a CTD".....boo &&^&& hoo. CYVOK supposedly lost a titan to something simular (auto-updating whatever), but I didn't see CCP giving him his new toy back. It's an exploit PERIOD. Whoever uses them is no better than some AOL-using script-kiddie.
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:25:00 - [17] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 27/12/2006 18:14:41 Originally by: Dragerest another useless post \o/ Another useless response \0/ Put some construction into it or get the hell out. Go save another one of your carriers that almost died to an IAC gang of 5. Or back to mining whatever you do up north, cause we all know it isnt pvp, with all those NAP's. WildCat And yes Im going to raise hell in hopes to get someone attention that can do something. still mad about the WCS nerf.. it was coming you know... useless post becuase your corp has already made a post about this but yet you open another one, and you can't follow the rules of posting here. umm i'm not mining i'm not up north, but i am glad you found time to whine on the forums about tactics you can't fixs and thinking that whining will get your way. maybe you should get back to your ABC's... For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Marsha11 BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Dragerest Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 27/12/2006 18:14:41 Originally by: Dragerest another useless post \o/ Another useless response \0/ Put some construction into it or get the hell out. Go save another one of your carriers that almost died to an IAC gang of 5. Or back to mining whatever you do up north, cause we all know it isnt pvp, with all those NAP's. WildCat And yes Im going to raise hell in hopes to get someone attention that can do something. still mad about the WCS nerf.. it was coming you know... useless post becuase your corp has already made a post about this but yet you open another one, and you can't follow the rules of posting here. umm i'm not mining i'm not up north, but i am glad you found time to whine on the forums about tactics you can't fixs and thinking that whining will get your way. maybe you should get back to your ABC's... Yes, Ctrl+q is a really great 'tactic'. Takes some real skill and brains to work out and execute... No one in BE is sore about the wcs nerf, before the nerf came out most of us had stopped using them anyway... The rules of posting state you cant post about exploits, but its not a registered exploit. So we are getting people's support in the hope that the people with the power to do something notice. Nothing wrong with that... Is there? Now grow up and if you cant post anything constructive dont bother posting at all, cause we dont wanna hear it... End
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:35:00 - [19] Edited by: Dragerest on 27/12/2006 19:38:46 Edited by: Dragerest on 27/12/2006 19:37:18 Edited by: Dragerest on 27/12/2006 19:36:35 what about the rule of reposting a locked topic? ps.while you are whining, whine about the eve-mail bug than. OMG IT'S NOT FAR I HAVE TO CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES EVERYTIME I LOG IN. CCP I DEMAND YOU FIX IT. IT IS NOT FAIR FOR A PAYING PLAYER TO PUT UP WITH THAT!!!!!!!! FIX IT NNNOOOOOOWWWW PSS. Rule # "13. Do not post about bugs and exploits." For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Marsha11 BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:39:00 - [20] Edited by: Marsha11 on 27/12/2006 19:38:59 Originally by: Dragerest Edited by: Dragerest on 27/12/2006 19:36:35 what about the rule of reposting a locked topic? ps.while you are whining, whine about the eve-mail bug than. OMG IT'S NOT FAR I HAVE TO CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES EVERYTIME I LOG IN. CPP I DEMAND YOU FIX IT. IT IS NOT FAIR FOR A PAYING PLAYER TO PUT UP WITH THAT!!!!!!!! FIX IT NNNOOOOOOWWWW I told you we aint whining, we are raising awareness that goes beyond a few forums mods reading the topics. Plus we dont want to comment on the eve-mails because its not something that deserves attention right now. Now please grow up, keep this thread on topic, i aint getting into a flame war with a cap's lock weilding child. End

Sir Howard Gallente SAS.	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Marsha11 Now please grow up, keep this thread on topic, i aint getting into a flame war with a cap's lock weilding child. End If this thread were on topic to begin with it wouldent even be in these forums....let alone still going as long as it has. "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:46:00 - [22] The lock is strong with this thread!
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 27/12/2006 19:21:28 I am seriously getting fed up with these threads, and here is why: Loging off is lame, but ultimately, what does it matter? Unless your only reason to attack someone is to get a notch on a killboard, what difference does it make? If you have a reason for conflict, then you attack to deny others space, not just for the kill. If they log off you have indeed denied that person the space you are attacking / defending, and your job is done. Unless they stay logged out forever you will get another chance, and if they do stay logged out forever, you don't need another chance. Now, drop it already. Think outside the box a little, some people actually make a profit pvping. So we do in effect attack others just for the kill, its called making a profit. You see if you didnt suck at pvp so much, you could pvp without having to do carebear stuff to supliment your fighting. Don't be bitter because we are better at this than you. I have problems expressing just how grateful I am to the moderators of this forum. luv pookie
Helganstandt Finis Lumen The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:54:00 - [24] Was there some Burn Eden call to forum arms today or something? Give it a rest, CCP's known about it for a long time. Yeah, I agree something should be done about it, but they obviously haven't for a long time, probably with good reason. Until dropped users server-side become so rare that it makes sense not to allow someone who may or may not have been kicked out of the client to save their ship, then there shouldn't be anything done about it. Otherwise you're just asking for more petitions to clog up an already large-enough ****storm of backlogged replacement requests.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:58:00 - [25] Okay to answer some of the flames that I knew were coming but forgot to address in the original Post. Yes every Isk I and my Burn Eden mates make comes from killing ships and selling the loot. That is all we do. To those whining about us, it would be the same if all of a sudden every asteroid logged off when you tried to mine it. I think you can relate to that 8). To the others that say wrong section, post elsewhere, we dont want to hear it. First off, yes wrong section but this is the only section anyone that matters reads!!!! and if enough hell is raised here then maybe someone in CCP will notice, beasue they dont care about any of the other sections. Whe was the last time you saw a general section post locked? Secondly if you dont want to hear it, get the hell out of my post. Most of the corps, and alliances that are very good at pvp are agreeing with us. If you have any other exploits that matter, no the omg I have to read an eve-mail doesnt matter, then post and we will rally behind you too. This game is fun and it should be fun, I and many others just want it to work the way it is supposed to. Many of those who are complaining about the topic probably use it themselves or dont pvp, because you would be on our side if the contrary was to exist. WildCat Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Crimsonjade Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:59:00 - [26] guess you guys in BE have been south so long you forgot how the north works, now.. its one great big ctrl-q group get used to it ya just have to adapt to the tactic and just be as lame and use vagas who go to fast to be shot and scorpians that jam.. both of those are the only way to cheat anymore according to the forums
zeligs Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:10:00 - [27] Edited by: zeligs on 27/12/2006 20:11:21 Edited by: zeligs on 27/12/2006 20:10:52 I agree, it gets my vote. I wouldn't get too excited tho, my vote isnt worth much. zeligs CHSN
Helganstandt Finis Lumen The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 27/12/2006 19:21:28 I am seriously getting fed up with these threads, and here is why: Loging off is lame, but ultimately, what does it matter? Unless your only reason to attack someone is to get a notch on a killboard, what difference does it make? If you have a reason for conflict, then you attack to deny others space, not just for the kill. If they log off you have indeed denied that person the space you are attacking / defending, and your job is done. Unless they stay logged out forever you will get another chance, and if they do stay logged out forever, you don't need another chance. Now, drop it already. I just wanted to say I completely disagree with this sentiment. Some of us kill people because it's fun to PVP, even if there's no general purpose behind it. Gate camping even is fun to some of us even if it seems to have no other "greater" purpose. Just because we don't have all the master plans that BoB has for the whole eve universe doesn't mean that the way we have fun is any better or worse than the way you do. Having fun makes all the difference in the world, it's not just another notch on the killboard (that's an added bonus). And I know how frustrating people logging off can be, which directly affects the fun you have.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Evil Pookie You see if you didnt suck at pvp so much, you could pvp without having to do carebear stuff to supliment your fighting. Don't be bitter because we are better at this than you. You think you can tell me about profiting from PvP? roflcopters. Honestly, if it is just about ISK, you should thank them for saving you the ammo, it must suck to be so poor as to need every single possible kill to make ends meet. When I get in game I might send you a little charity. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Ava'Lin Mytil Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:26:00 - [30] Heres my impression of this thread... Heres a cartoon Countess's Poster & Full Poster



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