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DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:08:00 - [1] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 27/12/2006 18:08:58 Okay I am probably going to be banned for a while for reopening this, but maybe the EVE community raises enough hell CCP might look to fix game mechanics that are being exploited. So you want to fly in 0.0 with no risk to your assets. Crtl Q when targeted or in trouble. Why do this? Because it takes less than one minute for your ship to dissapear. A heavily tanked BS will survive, anything smaller will warp off before they are scrambled. Now you are in warp for about 20 seconds.... taking time to get into, during, and exiting warp. Now a cov ops has 40 seconds to probe you down. The best of the best find you in 20 seconds. Now the gang has 20 seconds to warp to you which we know takes about the entire time, then they have to lock you 6 seconds. Then they have to kill you! So you are safe. How do you Fix it!!!!???? Simple this is my idea and please post if anyone else has any others, but I see this as fair and simple to implement into the game codes..... Welcome to 0.0. Everytime you jump through a gate you have a three minute aggro timer. This means you cannot safely log out without the risk of being probed down for three minutes. Also if you are in an interdiction bubble DESIGNED TO INHIBIT WARP!!!!! You cannot warp out if Crtl Q. You sit there for three minutes. Guess what you are now dead, have a nice day wuss! and get a scout. Its simple to implement like I said, and with the hitpoints and insane tanks I dont think it is unfair. Besides its 0.0 and only 0.0 I am suggesting this change for because when a pilot jumps there ship into 0.0 they should be ready to be in danger at every jump. That was my say I hope others have ideas on how CCP can fix this as well, and hopefully if we do the idea work for them, they only have to write some new lines of code and everyone is happy. Ill see you all in a few wekks WildCat Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:10:00 - [2] another useless post \o/ For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:11:00 - [3] Make it apply for all gates and stations Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:13:00 - [4] I wouldn't say useless and probably merits debate tbh. I think the main problem is going to be the single fact that until CCP can say with certainty that this person did not lag/timeout on jumping through said gate, they will still warp off on logout. I feel your pain - really, you're not the only victim of this questionable "tactic"
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:14:00 - [5] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 27/12/2006 18:14:41 Originally by: Dragerest another useless post \o/ Another useless response \0/ Put some construction into it or get the hell out. Go save another one of your carriers that almost died to an IAC gang of 5. Or back to mining whatever you do up north, cause we all know it isnt pvp, with all those NAP's. WildCat And yes Im going to raise hell in hopes to get someone attention that can do something. Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Sir Howard Gallente SAS.	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:14:00 - [6] Edited by: Sir Howard on 27/12/2006 18:20:56 I so wish I could use swear words right now...cuase this is getting...F'ing rediculous Take it to the freaking general forums atleast "Corporation, Alliance and Organization Discussions This forum is for the discussion of ingame politics, conflicts, and other matters regarding player corporations, alliances and organizations in EVE. News and press releases may also be posted here for information and/or discussion." "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Sir Howard I so wish I could use swear words right now...cuase this is getting...F'ing rediculous More than welcome to. Is old to all of us I and MANY others want it fixed, so until that happens this will continue..... mkay bye now, get out of the thread. WildCat Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:28:00 - [8] Completely agree especially with the idea for warp bubbles, the amount of people that actually CTD or lose connection is minimal compared to the people that purposely CRTL Q. In a recent war of ours (not IAC) I would say 60% of people we came across CRTL Q either to save pods or ships alot of the time they weren't even in a bubble but simply didn't want to die. If people like this don't want to lose ships or isk I suggest they either stay in npc corps in empire or find a new game to play because being able to lose everything is what Eve is all about imho.
Myndpyre Ryche Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:43:00 - [9] Any change to the current system is a welcome change to be honest.
Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:45:00 - [10] A thread I started on the General Discussion forum Thread One idea from that thread: Make it harder to quit - Every other game asks "are you sure?" Then you go to a title menu, etc before you actually exit the game. Get rid of ctrl+q, and add the above process into the game. If quiting in space, you still show in space until you exit the game completely. Yes you could still crash the client (by using task manager etc), but it'll be harder than just pressing a key combination or clicking on the "x" in the top corner. - Either way, it should add a couple of precious seconds to those people logging off in a bubble for example while still protecting people who get legitimate game crashes/disconnects. I also think Mass log-ons need attention. Start a petition in the "Features and General Ideas" forum. You're right CCP needs to look at this, but this is probably the wrong forum for it.

Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:46:00 - [11] Edited by: Chowdown on 27/12/2006 18:52:12 Actually thats rubbish, ignore me
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.27 18:56:00 - [12] BE complaining about exploited game mechanics... Satan's gonna be ticked.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Crozon A thread I started on the General Discussion forum Thread One idea from that thread: Make it harder to quit - Every other game asks "are you sure?" Then you go to a title menu, etc before you actually exit the game. Get rid of ctrl+q, and add the above process into the game. If quiting in space, you still show in space until you exit the game completely. Yes you could still crash the client (by using task manager etc), but it'll be harder than just pressing a key combination or clicking on the "x" in the top corner. - Either way, it should add a couple of precious seconds to those people logging off in a bubble for example while still protecting people who get legitimate game crashes/disconnects. I also think Mass log-ons need attention. Start a petition in the "Features and General Ideas" forum. You're right CCP needs to look at this, but this is probably the wrong forum for it. The ctrl q are you sure thing can easily be countered by turning off the power on your pc Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:08:00 - [14] Edited by: FowlPlayChiken on 27/12/2006 19:10:54 signed, although making this apply to stations would be a pain. just gates tho? great idea. as for control + q 'are you sure', that makes no difference. easily countered, and besides, even if you diddnt wanna force kill your game, you could still have time to go thru the process if coming THRU a gate into a bubble. that would only help if you warped INTO the bubble. which is much harder now if your awake, i might add, as you cant put a bubble in line to catch people; they can just warp to a near planet and warp to the gate at 0 and usually not get caught Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:17:00 - [15] I am seriously getting fed up with this threads, and here is why: Loging off is lame, but ultimately, what does it matter? Unless your only reason to attack someone is to get a notch on a killboard, what difference does it make? If you have a reason for conflict, then you attack to deny others space, not just for the kill. If they log off you have indeed denied that person the space you are attacking / defending, and your job is done. Unless they stay logged out forever you will get another chance, and if they do stay logged out forever, you don't need another chance. Now, drop it already. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:18:00 - [16] /signed 100% And to those saying "Well, some might actually have a CTD".....boo &&^&& hoo. CYVOK supposedly lost a titan to something simular (auto-updating whatever), but I didn't see CCP giving him his new toy back. It's an exploit PERIOD. Whoever uses them is no better than some AOL-using script-kiddie.
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:25:00 - [17] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 27/12/2006 18:14:41 Originally by: Dragerest another useless post \o/ Another useless response \0/ Put some construction into it or get the hell out. Go save another one of your carriers that almost died to an IAC gang of 5. Or back to mining whatever you do up north, cause we all know it isnt pvp, with all those NAP's. WildCat And yes Im going to raise hell in hopes to get someone attention that can do something. still mad about the WCS nerf.. it was coming you know... useless post becuase your corp has already made a post about this but yet you open another one, and you can't follow the rules of posting here. umm i'm not mining i'm not up north, but i am glad you found time to whine on the forums about tactics you can't fixs and thinking that whining will get your way. maybe you should get back to your ABC's... For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Marsha11 BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Dragerest Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 27/12/2006 18:14:41 Originally by: Dragerest another useless post \o/ Another useless response \0/ Put some construction into it or get the hell out. Go save another one of your carriers that almost died to an IAC gang of 5. Or back to mining whatever you do up north, cause we all know it isnt pvp, with all those NAP's. WildCat And yes Im going to raise hell in hopes to get someone attention that can do something. still mad about the WCS nerf.. it was coming you know... useless post becuase your corp has already made a post about this but yet you open another one, and you can't follow the rules of posting here. umm i'm not mining i'm not up north, but i am glad you found time to whine on the forums about tactics you can't fixs and thinking that whining will get your way. maybe you should get back to your ABC's... Yes, Ctrl+q is a really great 'tactic'. Takes some real skill and brains to work out and execute... No one in BE is sore about the wcs nerf, before the nerf came out most of us had stopped using them anyway... The rules of posting state you cant post about exploits, but its not a registered exploit. So we are getting people's support in the hope that the people with the power to do something notice. Nothing wrong with that... Is there? Now grow up and if you cant post anything constructive dont bother posting at all, cause we dont wanna hear it... End
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:35:00 - [19] Edited by: Dragerest on 27/12/2006 19:38:46 Edited by: Dragerest on 27/12/2006 19:37:18 Edited by: Dragerest on 27/12/2006 19:36:35 what about the rule of reposting a locked topic? ps.while you are whining, whine about the eve-mail bug than. OMG IT'S NOT FAR I HAVE TO CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES EVERYTIME I LOG IN. CCP I DEMAND YOU FIX IT. IT IS NOT FAIR FOR A PAYING PLAYER TO PUT UP WITH THAT!!!!!!!! FIX IT NNNOOOOOOWWWW PSS. Rule # "13. Do not post about bugs and exploits." For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Marsha11 BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:39:00 - [20] Edited by: Marsha11 on 27/12/2006 19:38:59 Originally by: Dragerest Edited by: Dragerest on 27/12/2006 19:36:35 what about the rule of reposting a locked topic? ps.while you are whining, whine about the eve-mail bug than. OMG IT'S NOT FAR I HAVE TO CHECK ALL THOSE BOXES EVERYTIME I LOG IN. CPP I DEMAND YOU FIX IT. IT IS NOT FAIR FOR A PAYING PLAYER TO PUT UP WITH THAT!!!!!!!! FIX IT NNNOOOOOOWWWW I told you we aint whining, we are raising awareness that goes beyond a few forums mods reading the topics. Plus we dont want to comment on the eve-mails because its not something that deserves attention right now. Now please grow up, keep this thread on topic, i aint getting into a flame war with a cap's lock weilding child. End

Sir Howard Gallente SAS.	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Marsha11 Now please grow up, keep this thread on topic, i aint getting into a flame war with a cap's lock weilding child. End If this thread were on topic to begin with it wouldent even be in these forums....let alone still going as long as it has. "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:46:00 - [22] The lock is strong with this thread!
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 27/12/2006 19:21:28 I am seriously getting fed up with these threads, and here is why: Loging off is lame, but ultimately, what does it matter? Unless your only reason to attack someone is to get a notch on a killboard, what difference does it make? If you have a reason for conflict, then you attack to deny others space, not just for the kill. If they log off you have indeed denied that person the space you are attacking / defending, and your job is done. Unless they stay logged out forever you will get another chance, and if they do stay logged out forever, you don't need another chance. Now, drop it already. Think outside the box a little, some people actually make a profit pvping. So we do in effect attack others just for the kill, its called making a profit. You see if you didnt suck at pvp so much, you could pvp without having to do carebear stuff to supliment your fighting. Don't be bitter because we are better at this than you. I have problems expressing just how grateful I am to the moderators of this forum. luv pookie
Helganstandt Finis Lumen The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:54:00 - [24] Was there some Burn Eden call to forum arms today or something? Give it a rest, CCP's known about it for a long time. Yeah, I agree something should be done about it, but they obviously haven't for a long time, probably with good reason. Until dropped users server-side become so rare that it makes sense not to allow someone who may or may not have been kicked out of the client to save their ship, then there shouldn't be anything done about it. Otherwise you're just asking for more petitions to clog up an already large-enough ****storm of backlogged replacement requests.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:58:00 - [25] Okay to answer some of the flames that I knew were coming but forgot to address in the original Post. Yes every Isk I and my Burn Eden mates make comes from killing ships and selling the loot. That is all we do. To those whining about us, it would be the same if all of a sudden every asteroid logged off when you tried to mine it. I think you can relate to that 8). To the others that say wrong section, post elsewhere, we dont want to hear it. First off, yes wrong section but this is the only section anyone that matters reads!!!! and if enough hell is raised here then maybe someone in CCP will notice, beasue they dont care about any of the other sections. Whe was the last time you saw a general section post locked? Secondly if you dont want to hear it, get the hell out of my post. Most of the corps, and alliances that are very good at pvp are agreeing with us. If you have any other exploits that matter, no the omg I have to read an eve-mail doesnt matter, then post and we will rally behind you too. This game is fun and it should be fun, I and many others just want it to work the way it is supposed to. Many of those who are complaining about the topic probably use it themselves or dont pvp, because you would be on our side if the contrary was to exist. WildCat Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Crimsonjade Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.27 19:59:00 - [26] guess you guys in BE have been south so long you forgot how the north works, now.. its one great big ctrl-q group get used to it ya just have to adapt to the tactic and just be as lame and use vagas who go to fast to be shot and scorpians that jam.. both of those are the only way to cheat anymore according to the forums
zeligs Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:10:00 - [27] Edited by: zeligs on 27/12/2006 20:11:21 Edited by: zeligs on 27/12/2006 20:10:52 I agree, it gets my vote. I wouldn't get too excited tho, my vote isnt worth much. zeligs CHSN
Helganstandt Finis Lumen The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 27/12/2006 19:21:28 I am seriously getting fed up with these threads, and here is why: Loging off is lame, but ultimately, what does it matter? Unless your only reason to attack someone is to get a notch on a killboard, what difference does it make? If you have a reason for conflict, then you attack to deny others space, not just for the kill. If they log off you have indeed denied that person the space you are attacking / defending, and your job is done. Unless they stay logged out forever you will get another chance, and if they do stay logged out forever, you don't need another chance. Now, drop it already. I just wanted to say I completely disagree with this sentiment. Some of us kill people because it's fun to PVP, even if there's no general purpose behind it. Gate camping even is fun to some of us even if it seems to have no other "greater" purpose. Just because we don't have all the master plans that BoB has for the whole eve universe doesn't mean that the way we have fun is any better or worse than the way you do. Having fun makes all the difference in the world, it's not just another notch on the killboard (that's an added bonus). And I know how frustrating people logging off can be, which directly affects the fun you have.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Evil Pookie You see if you didnt suck at pvp so much, you could pvp without having to do carebear stuff to supliment your fighting. Don't be bitter because we are better at this than you. You think you can tell me about profiting from PvP? roflcopters. Honestly, if it is just about ISK, you should thank them for saving you the ammo, it must suck to be so poor as to need every single possible kill to make ends meet. When I get in game I might send you a little charity. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Ava'Lin Mytil Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:26:00 - [30] Heres my impression of this thread... Heres a cartoon Countess's Poster & Full Poster

Fulmen Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:27:00 - [31] OK OK. We all agree that ctrl+q'ing is lame but looking at it from a business sense, CCP would rather lock these couple threads created about it than they would responding to 500+ petitions a day demanding reimbursement. and p.s. you want some french cries to go with that whaaburger? And can i offer you some wheineken to wash it all down with?
Helganstandt Finis Lumen The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:28:00 - [32] Originally by: Ava'Lin Mytil Heres my impression of this thread... Heres a cartoon Lol, that's sadly really accurate.
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:33:00 - [33] Originally by: DHB WildCat Yes every Isk I and my Burn Eden mates make comes from killing ships and selling the loot. Maybe you could diversify. Place alts in large industrial alliance and mine and stuff. Or you could extend your money making to shooting logged off ratters now that CCP has taken an intense dislike to them leaving wrecks scattered around. Try to think out of the box! We all know the difference between people possibly crashing in lag or on jumping in, or just crashing while sitting doing nothing. Your suggestions are sound - but is the problem that CCP's petition process will be overwhelemed if even more players lose their ships on crashing and nothing can be proved either way? Myn
Helganstandt Finis Lumen The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:36:00 - [34] I think BE are forgetting to mention that it's lots of fun to gatecamp if you have a tactic that is basically shooting fish in a barrel. For those that haven't shot fish in a barrel, it's really a LOT more fun than you'd think. But if half the fish dissappear on you, it's kind of annoying.
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:39:00 - [35] Telling me about making isk from pvp, roflcopters. Avon, I don't want to make you look like a chump but I kill more in 1 month than you have in over a year of being a bobbit. I also have a kill to loss ratio that is atleast 5 times better than yours. I guarantee you have some carebear plan that you use to make your isk, wether it be mining, mission running or the bpo lottery. So please spare me the i'm a uber pvper, your stats are very unimpressive, please refrain from making posts about pvp because you are obviously not very adept at it. I love the mods, when i grow up I want to be a mod. luv pookie
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:47:00 - [36] Do i like it? no. Do i do it? occasionally (not in bubbles or PvP mind you). Do i complain about it? not worth the effort or noise. For better or for worse its an accepted, if not acceptable "survival" tactic. If it saves someone from killboard prats (who i detest), then its a good thing in my books. If someone jumps into a bubblecamp & logs while cloaked, its a bad thing (although frankly theres a mechanics issue here thats not for this forum). Untimately, if im in a gatecamp & someone escapes by loggin, I find it much more efficient to simply say "damn" & then move on to the next target; as opposed to brooding & winding myself up about it.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:52:00 - [37] Originally by: Evil Pookie Telling me about making isk from pvp, roflcopters. Avon, I don't want to make you look like a chump but I kill more in 1 month than you have in over a year of being a bobbit. I also have a kill to loss ratio that is atleast 5 times better than yours. I guarantee you have some carebear plan that you use to make your isk, wether it be mining, mission running or the bpo lottery. So please spare me the i'm a uber pvper, your stats are very unimpressive, please refrain from making posts about pvp because you are obviously not very adept at it. I love the mods, when i grow up I want to be a mod. luv pookie Amazing as it may seem, I used to have a life before joining BoB. You know what I used to do? If you ask around, I'm sure lots of people could fill you in. Because of being very, very, very good at it, I don't have to really worry about ISK anymore. Why did I stop doing what I used to and join up with BoB? Because I started to find PvP just for the sake of it, or just to make ISK, boring and ultimately pointless. Without a more esoteric objective, it started to feel jaded and childish. I wanted more than the ethereal thrill of the kill. I guess my gameplay matured. I can see that you are bitter, and that is a shame, but let me give you a tip: Trying to hack down the tall poppy doesn't make you a tall poppy. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Bailey Banks Caldari Feet Of Clay Inc	Posted - 2006.12.27 20:57:00 - [38] It's obviously a bug, right? If someone is warpscambled by a module, they can't warp away, even if they crash. And the warp bubbles are supposed to be the same. So if you see someone warp out of a bubble, I suggest you petition the bug. CCP has a lot of bugs to fix, and I'm sure that how many petitions they receive has an effect on their priorities of which get fixed when, so if they understand that this is a really serious bug that is affecting the gameplay of everyone who PvP's, it will get fixed sooner.
Masta Killa BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.27 21:11:00 - [39] Originally by: Avon Amazing as it may seem, I used to have a life before joining BoB. You know what I used to do? If you ask around, I'm sure lots of people could fill you in. Because of being very, very, very good at it, I don't have to really worry about ISK anymore. Why did I stop doing what I used to and join up with BoB? Because I started to find PvP just for the sake of it, or just to make ISK, boring and ultimately pointless. Without a more esoteric objective, it started to feel jaded and childish. I wanted more than the ethereal thrill of the kill. I guess my gameplay matured. I can see that you are bitter, and that is a shame, but let me give you a tip: Trying to hack down the tall poppy doesn't make you a tall poppy. I fail to see the mature gameplay of flying in groups of 200 and doing nothing but being gangwarped around and every once in a while hitting some F buttons. Maybe this mature gameplay you boast of is an excuse for your individual pvp skills not being as good as others'.. By the way I like your writing style, it's very dramatic.
Etho Demerzel Gallente Shadow Militia	Posted - 2006.12.27 21:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: Avon Amazing as it may seem, I used to have a life before joining BoB. You know what I used to do? If you ask around, I'm sure lots of people could fill you in. Because of being very, very, very good at it, I don't have to really worry about ISK anymore. Why did I stop doing what I used to and join up with BoB? Because I started to find PvP just for the sake of it, or just to make ISK, boring and ultimately pointless. Without a more esoteric objective, it started to feel jaded and childish. I wanted more than the ethereal thrill of the kill. I guess my gameplay matured. I can see that you are bitter, and that is a shame, but let me give you a tip: Trying to hack down the tall poppy doesn't make you a tall poppy. I fail to see the mature gameplay of flying in groups of 200 and doing nothing but being gangwarped around and every once in a while hitting some F buttons. Maybe this mature gameplay you boast of is an excuse for your individual pvp skills not being as good as others'.. By the way I like your writing style, it's very dramatic. Well, lets analyze this from a rational point of view: 1) He has money, you don't 2) He has territory, you don't 3) He plays with far more than his ship. Evolving and growing usually means leaving the little boy atitude of mindless aggression and going into more profitable and challenging endeavours. If sitting by a gate for hours and shoot eventual ducks that pass through it is your notion of entertainment either you are a 9 years old or, despite your age you stopped growing there. One thing is certain, you do have too much time in your hands. :)

Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 21:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Masta Killa Maybe this mature gameplay you boast of is an excuse for your individual pvp skills not being as good as others'.. Well, as I spend most of my time in fleet command ships or covert ops, I don't really feel the need to justify my abilities or contributions by tallying my kills. Maybe you do. Oh, and I wish your fantasy about how I play the game were true, it would be so much easier and less complicated than the reality of it. But then you know that already. Look, I really am sorry that you guys haven't amounted to a hill of beans, I can see how that frustrates you and causes you to make such nasty and unprovoked attacks on the forums, but it is ultimately pointless. Why? Because, quite simply, I know I am better than you, and any attempts to crush my ego are utterly futile. I can understand why you would want others to think you compare, but your smack is weak ... which, rather unsurprisingly, makes it the perfect mirror to your accomplishments. Anyway, I'd advise that you tarry here no longer, you might miss that all important kill which will add to your fortunes - I'd hate for you to miss out on that. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Masta Killa BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.27 21:40:00 - [42] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Well, lets analyze this from a rational point of view: 1) He has money, you don't 2) He has territory, you don't 3) He plays with far more than his ship. Evolving and growing usually means leaving the little boy atitude of mindless aggression and going into more profitable and challenging endeavours. If sitting by a gate for hours and shoot eventual ducks that pass through it is your notion of entertainment either you are a 9 years old or, despite your age you stopped growing there. One thing is certain, you do have too much time in your hands. :) I know this guy's alliance name is incredibly cool and all but isn't this a little too much fanboyism?
Etho Dermezel Minmatar Holy Clan of the Cone	Posted - 2006.12.27 21:46:00 - [43] Edited by: Etho Dermezel on 27/12/2006 21:46:27 Originally by: Masta Killa Originally by: Etho Demerzel Well, lets analyze this from a rational point of view: 1) He has money, you don't 2) He has territory, you don't 3) He plays with far more than his ship. Evolving and growing usually means leaving the little boy atitude of mindless aggression and going into more profitable and challenging endeavours. If sitting by a gate for hours and shoot eventual ducks that pass through it is your notion of entertainment either you are a 9 years old or, despite your age you stopped growing there. One thing is certain, you do have too much time in your hands. :) I know this guy's alliance name is incredibly cool and all but isn't this a little too much fanboyism? -V- alt corp here. This is my main account. And disregard others accomplishments and abilities because you envy or has a grudge against them is the ultimate stupidity. I have nothing to gain from my comments, but they do represent my opinion. edit - accidentaly posted with my alt on this one.
BlackMoon Thrawn the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.12.27 21:55:00 - [44] The only issue is the way interdictor spheres and warp bubbbles work. If you're in one of those or scrambled you should't warp off, ever. If that were fixed I think most of the whineing would go away. If someone logs on you while under attack, as far as I know, they lose all skill based ship bonuses like mechanics boost to armor hp. It will probobly result in you getting the kill 50% of the time or so and thats good enough imo.
Masta Killa BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.27 21:56:00 - [45] Originally by: Avon Well, as I spend most of my time in fleet command ships or covert ops, I don't really feel the need to justify my abilities or contributions by tallying my kills. Maybe you do. Oh, and I wish your fantasy about how I play the game were true, it would be so much easier and less complicated than the reality of it. But then you know that already. Look, I really am sorry that you guys haven't amounted to a hill of beans, I can see how that frustrates you and causes you to make such nasty and unprovoked attacks on the forums, but it is ultimately pointless. Why? Because, quite simply, I know I am better than you, and any attempts to crush my ego are utterly futile. I can understand why you would want others to think you compare, but your smack is weak ... which, rather unsurprisingly, makes it the perfect mirror to your accomplishments. Anyway, I'd advise that you tarry here no longer, you might miss that all important kill which will add to your fortunes - I'd hate for you to miss out on that. You pretty much sit still and do nothing in your so called "combat" and you were trying to teach Evil Pookie about pvp? Maybe you should break a little part off your ego and use it to actually do something in pvp. What you do for a living is done by Burn Eden alt characters. I hope that fact makes you proud. Also, I don't see why you would expect us to own some bit of land, because where ever this corp of mine goes, the entire area becomes safer (for us) than high sec empire in a matter of 1-2 weeks. Why stay and npc, mine or whatever it is you feel is so important when you can just set up shop somewhere else and terrorize a whole another locale? I'm not going to say I don't care about the money and I'm not going to say I don't like it when my missiles slaughter that last bit of hull on a completely helpless ship but having masses of people running away or logging out at the mere sight of this famous corp name or screaming at the top of their lungs about us (coughyoulol) is pure awesomeness. As for accomplishments, if you play the way you say you do then you don't even belong close to me in pvp ranking, you belong with my trusty scouting alt. Ps. I like how you make excuses for barely never having killed anybody. Your star trek one-liners are pretty "utterly futile" too mate.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:01:00 - [46] Please stay on fing topic, BoB get your own damn thread about how uber your covert ops pilots are, since it takes a mastermind to sit cloaked somewhere.... I wouldnt want to mess with him.... ooo Im fing scared. Anywyas... (back to nice cat) please stay on topic this is about bubbles and how they are descripted in game and how they do not do that discription, and about log off mechanics that need to be fixed. Priorities are screwed up imo. I dont care about new ships when nodes crash and other mechanics like warping out of warp INHIBITING bubbles.... DO NOT WORK! Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Ava'Lin Mytil Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:06:00 - [47] Edited by: Ava''Lin Mytil on 27/12/2006 22:08:40 Well, staying on topic, my honest take on it, is, as it is now, you only warp off in a bubble if cloaked when you log off, this should be removed totally. how many honestly CTD jumping into a system.... I've only ever CTD'd 2-3 times on jumping in 3 yrs and not recently , luckily no one was on other side. if someone was they should have a chance to catch you, either way. As well, as timer should be increased or agression timer kept track of even when you log, if you log out in safespot in 0.0 you would disapear in 1min... But if agressed, even after ctrl+q'ing , like freighters, you would stay in space 15mins, this would fix everything. and hope they impliment both. and fix the warping off issue. which kind of ruines whole point of bubbles in 0.0, especially after putting in warp to 0km Countess's Poster & Full Poster
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:11:00 - [48] Originally by: Masta Killa What you do for a living is done by Burn Eden alt characters. I hope that fact makes you proud. Would it surprise you to know that I have more than one character? Honestly, you guys What happened to you Masta, you sell up or something? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:16:00 - [49] Bubbles are supposed to stop a warp even if they warp was started before the bubble was dropped. If/when this is fixed to work as intended, 0.0 will become beautifully dangerous again. This may well be offtopic for this forum, but hell, its more useful than yet another round of * Vs. ** (You Know What I Mean). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:17:00 - [50] Originally by: DHB WildCat Please stay on fing topic, BoB get your own damn thread about how uber your covert ops pilots are, since it takes a mastermind to sit cloaked somewhere.... I wouldnt want to mess with him.... ooo Im fing scared. I think you'll find I was on-topic. If you feel the thread was derailed, was it because I didn't completely agree with you, or because of the lack of posting mojo displayed by your corp mates? If you want CCP to actualy give some reasonable considerations to your request, then I think you may have to adopt a slightly more organised and constructive forum campaign. But then, what would I know? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur

Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:20:00 - [51] Originally by: Morris Falter Bubbles are supposed to stop a warp even if they warp was started before the bubble was dropped. Is that your opinion, or a stated aim of CCP? Bubbles, spheres, and even POS shields need to be activated before someone warps, and I think that is intended. Being able to deploy those things once someone is in warp, and still effect them, gives them no ability to scout or avoid them, and that seems a little unbalanced to me. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Masta Killa BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:24:00 - [52] Edited by: Masta Killa on 27/12/2006 22:25:22 Adon: What part of me hating bob stereotypes is new to you? Anyways, some of you people speak of immaturity of my corp and the original poster's corp. Maybe this pile of hipocrits who are posting here and in the other locked thread by Evil Pookie should take a good look at their mouth-foaming smackposts and think about who's the immature party here? Logoffski is ridiculously hard to counter and you people know it. CCP need to puzzle together a fix for it that screws the logoffski users hard but doesn't mess up real ctd's too badly. How they're going to do it beats me. But then again CCP made Eve and I didn't.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:28:00 - [53] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Morris Falter Bubbles are supposed to stop a warp even if they warp was started before the bubble was dropped. Is that your opinion, or a stated aim of CCP? Bubbles, spheres, and even POS shields need to be activated before someone warps, and I think that is intended. Being able to deploy those things once someone is in warp, and still effect them, gives them no ability to scout or avoid them, and that seems a little unbalanced to me. Check out the patch notes sometime ;) All kinds of juicy tidbits in there. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.27 22:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Masta Killa Logoffski is ridiculously hard to counter and you people know it. CCP need to puzzle together a fix for it that screws the logoffski users hard but doesn't mess up real ctd's too badly. Well, at last we manage to pull a snippet of rationality out of that mess. I agree with you, and as I stated I think logging off is lame. However, I don't think that this issue is as important as others, and certainly not worth spamming the forums over. The problem is real, but it is unimportant if it can not be addressed without, as you say, messing up real ctd's too badly. You see, if you think PvPers can moan about people logging off, it is nothing compared with the volume of complaints we will have to endure if a change comes about which results in mission runners not being able to ctrl-q because they messed up against npc's. (Or, heaven forbid, actually really ctd). Oh, and if you try to judge me based on your stereotypes then the failing is yours, not mine. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:01:00 - [55] Originally by: Avon If you want CCP to actualy give some reasonable considerations to your request, then I think you may have to adopt a slightly more organised and constructive forum campaign. But then, what would I know? Actually this is a good point, and trust me I have been trying for a few months... even sent some e-mails and had private convoes with what I thought to be higher ups in this game. They either did not recieve them or do not care, so now we will continue this until they send me a convo or e-mail or any form of communication to as what there plans are if any, or if they need help with it, Im sure the EVE community is more than willing to help. So CCP I eagerly await your response. WildCat Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Scarcus Caldari Stain of Mind	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:13:00 - [56] Note to self...I can now post about stuff that has nothing to do with alliances or corp stuff in Alliance and Corp forum. Yippee! A frequent star in God's cosmic gag-reel. Sig removed. Inappropriate for the forums -Kaemonn
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.28 00:29:00 - [57] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 28/12/2006 00:29:34 Wow, how childish are the ***** lot of you. If you didn't care for the topic and stopped posting, the thread would sink like a stone. Most of you seem to care more about who's posting in here than the actual subject matter. Grow the up. Why does logging 'me' off? I lose my implants when i get popped in a bubble. Some IRON nubcake who gets popped in one doesn't lose his faction set because he ctrl-Q's. Originally by:** Victor Ramirez using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
Marvel Master Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.28 01:17:00 - [58] Hello, would be nice, if CCP fix this bug/exploit. A working aggro timer would be a nice solution. And fix the local please. Put all constellation guys in one local. :) I read, that this will be a new feature of a patch. Marvel
oodin Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.28 01:31:00 - [59] 1. make it impossible to log within the grid of a object. gate/station/planets/rabble rabble 2.if you still decide to log within grid, your ship is in space for 15 min and so will your pod be. 3.if ccp managed to f**k up and ctd your ship resulting in your loss then 25% of your wallet is ceized by ccp as collateral pending investigation.if the problem was caused by ccp then the isk is returned.if ccp has no records of any problem then the isk is gone (petition spamming erased) 4. logging of in combat fixed!!!!!
Zell Caldari The Black Raptors	Posted - 2006.12.28 01:36:00 - [60] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Crozon A thread I started on the General Discussion forum Thread One idea from that thread: Make it harder to quit - Every other game asks "are you sure?" Then you go to a title menu, etc before you actually exit the game. Get rid of ctrl+q, and add the above process into the game. If quiting in space, you still show in space until you exit the game completely. Yes you could still crash the client (by using task manager etc), but it'll be harder than just pressing a key combination or clicking on the "x" in the top corner. - Either way, it should add a couple of precious seconds to those people logging off in a bubble for example while still protecting people who get legitimate game crashes/disconnects. I also think Mass log-ons need attention. Start a petition in the "Features and General Ideas" forum. You're right CCP needs to look at this, but this is probably the wrong forum for it. The ctrl q are you sure thing can easily be countered by turning off the power on your pc window mode has that lil "X" in the top right corner.... "Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve." "A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.."

Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.28 01:42:00 - [61] While I obviously do not agree with logging off in combat, I must admit that it tickles me no end to see Burn Eden whining after they have spent the last year or so gleefully trying to P*** everybody off in various ways. It's great to see their "uber PVP tactics" foiled by something as simple as two simple key strokes. Hopefully CCp will come up with a solution, but not too soon I hope, let BE squirm a while longer.
Hunter Vonnegut Shadows of the Dead Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.28 01:56:00 - [62] Even though BE popped me quite a few times in my earlier 0.0 days, and I cursed the bastards to no end. I think the OP has a pretty good idea to fix the logoffski...all BS and forum drama aside BE is not the only one that gets frustrated about losing a kill to a log off. my 2 cents...
Shaemell Buttleson Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.28 02:05:00 - [63] Everyone get off the BE flamefest here. It's not about whether they p1ss you off or they use tactics you don't like ffs. Logging off sucks and anyone worth a dam in this game should be asking for the same thing as well.
Madboy Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.28 02:16:00 - [64] Edited by: Madboy on 28/12/2006 02:16:20 DHB WildCat is right. A debate on logging is long over due. If a person is scrambled or ends up in a bubble. Their ship or pod should stay there and not warp off or disappear. If we miss the scramble, the person has enough warp core stabs or is outside a bubble then fine let them warp off. If you don't like the fact that you might loose what you have then do not risk it. Risk vs Reward? - MadBoy
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.28 02:30:00 - [65] Giving people a 10 minute 'aggression' timer when they jump through a gate is probably the best solution - its more than enough time to get a covert on top of them (and their friends). I dislike the idea of actual permanent ship 'persistance' in space, or even a unilaterally introduced log-off timer - sometimes I need to log-off without being able to dock (ie at a POS) and don't really think I should have to come back to a pod every time that happens. ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.28 02:32:00 - [66] Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson Everyone get off the BE flamefest here. It's not about whether they p1ss you off or they use tactics you don't like ffs. Logging off sucks and anyone worth a dam in this game should be asking for the same thing as well. Yessir....
ChalSto The Galactic Empire Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.28 02:47:00 - [67] Fighting RA for a long time now, I can say I few things: I dont care anymore, if they log off or not or exploiting. Everyone makes misstakes......and RA misstakes are allways expensive ones Oh....and yes.......U can make a hughe profit from PvPing...... bought a carrier, officer-fittet Vindicator, a T2-BPO and some other fine things......only in selling their loot Stopped to shoot goons....my ammo is more worth than any of their ship After 3 years in EvE, I finaly can say, that I lost more ships due to lag and bugs, than in any battle.
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.28 03:07:00 - [68] Crashing exists and will always do, so there will always be a need for a safe getaway. This game is not about ganking (or is it?) and some sa***uard is needed against software problems. Now, if ship replacement becomes easier, especially tech II stuff, you of course have a point, but ATM this debate is out of question TBH. ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Menf Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2006.12.28 04:06:00 - [69] Edited by: Menf on 28/12/2006 04:07:03 Originally by: ChalSto Stopped to shoot goons....my ammo is more worth than any of their ship use laser or drones ...but tbh GOONs at least try theyre luck and attack...and there is no smack-war in local after a fight such like IMP does _____________________________________________ Some players allready noticed.. "If you SEE me, its allready too late..."
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2006.12.28 04:08:00 - [70] Originally by: Sorja Crashing exists and will always do, so there will always be a need for a safe getaway. This game is not about ganking (or is it?) and some sa***uard is needed against software problems. Now, if ship replacement becomes easier, especially tech II stuff, you of course have a point, but ATM this debate is out of question TBH. Thats like not putting an anti virus on a public computer sure it may not be connected to the internet but the one guy that feels malevolent is all it takes to f up that computer. The same goes for the logoffski Sig Nerf - Cortes I declare war on ISD! You don't stand a chance -Karl

Bailey Banks Caldari Feet Of Clay Inc	Posted - 2006.12.28 04:23:00 - [71] This fits here because this is something that is affecting strategic balance. There are certain alliances (no names) where it is standard to fly in clones crammed full of hundreds of millions to billions of the very best implants (Snake, Halo, Turret and missle enhancers, all the good stuff). These act as combat multipliers that make them easily twice as effective as an equal number of equally skilled and experienced pilots without implants. These same alliances, it is absolutely standard to log out when your ship hits structure, saving the implants. The strategic balance of effectiveness vs. risk that was intended to apply to implants doesn't exist, giving these alliances an "I win" button. Even if you beat them, you haven't, because they're going to be back, still amped up, and just as overwhelming. Entire alliances have a reputation as being tough to beat in battle that is based on nothing more than this single trick. And with the nature of log-out warp-offs and the speed at which a pod enters warp, there is simply no way to stop them except through sheer luck (trying to get close enough and set off a smartbomb in the narrow 1/2 second window of vulnerability under your typical high-lag fleet combat conditions is so unlikely as to be laughable).
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.28 04:34:00 - [72] Not sure about the aggro timer thing in 0.0, since it seems superfluous -- if the ships no longer warp out of bubble on ctrl-q then there's no need to probe them down after they jump in, they just sit there and don't go anywhere. There was another thread in general section which is very loosely related to it (ships warping out of POS bubble on log out) ... you might want to merge these two issues and ask for joint mechanics fix in the game development section... as that's actually the place devs read sometimes. This section only has poor mods working overtime so the only thing this thread can get is a lock.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.28 06:43:00 - [73] Originally by: j0sephine Not sure about the aggro timer thing in 0.0, since it seems superfluous -- if the ships no longer warp out of bubble on ctrl-q then there's no need to probe them down after they jump in, they just sit there and don't go anywhere. There was another thread in general section which is very loosely related to it (ships warping out of POS bubble on log out) ... you might want to merge these two issues and ask for joint mechanics fix in the game development section... as that's actually the place devs read sometimes. This section only has poor mods working overtime so the only thing this thread can get is a lock. This section of the forums has a very uniqe crowd, and thus certain issues regarding us should be discussed here. Lets be honest, would 50% of the ppl in this thread have replied if this was in game development forum? No It is more about the social implication for corporations and alliances engaging in this practice. The whole argument about can you judge a book by its cover belongs here. Suggestions such as the global logger board where certain corps/alliance can add names of ppl who logged out on them. Its all very relevant here.
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.28 06:48:00 - [74] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: j0sephine Not sure about the aggro timer thing in 0.0, since it seems superfluous -- if the ships no longer warp out of bubble on ctrl-q then there's no need to probe them down after they jump in, they just sit there and don't go anywhere. There was another thread in general section which is very loosely related to it (ships warping out of POS bubble on log out) ... you might want to merge these two issues and ask for joint mechanics fix in the game development section... as that's actually the place devs read sometimes. This section only has poor mods working overtime so the only thing this thread can get is a lock. This section of the forums has a very uniqe crowd, and thus certain issues regarding us should be discussed here. Lets be honest, would 50% of the ppl in this thread have replied if this was in game development forum? No It is more about the social implication for corporations and alliances engaging in this practice. The whole argument about can you judge a book by its cover belongs here. Suggestions such as the global logger board where certain corps/alliance can add names of ppl who logged out on them. Its all very relevant here. Meh people are going to post because they see BE on the OP's ticker. Thats it and nothing more. I dislike BE for a lot of reasons, none of which I'll post here since it isn't on topic, regardless of how many people try and make it the topic. Lets just say I agree with you on the issue, regardless of what corp ticker your wearing at the time, it doesn't make you automatically wrong.
Famine Aligher'ri Legion of Corpses	Posted - 2006.12.28 07:19:00 - [75] I agree that something needs to be looked into. I don't agree with Avon on sounding as if us smaller people have no say in anything. Irony really.
Clytamar	Posted - 2006.12.28 10:26:00 - [76] For me, logging off when in trouble would effectively kill one of the main attractions of this game. What's the point playing, if you can't loose? These guys are ruining their own game more than yours. Let them log off, find some other prey more deserving of your ammo. Clytamar
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:23:00 - [77] I think it's definately a problem, but it can't just be solved with one simple 'fix' to cover this broad of a problem. I think a good compromise, would be to have a logoff timer (and eliminate ctrl+q as an instant exit). You could only quit the game by using escape or ctrl+q and wait the 5 or 10 seconds. Players would still be able to pull the plug on their entire PC's, or their connection (and even close the program from the task mgr), but I think the compromise here is that they would have to go through a lot more effort in leaving the game to save their ship/pod. Just that extra effort, might discourage many from pulling off the "tactic" in the future. It also keeps those who genuinely crash protected, to some extent. It's not perfect, but once again, I think this has to be about compromise. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2006.12.28 13:02:00 - [78] I hope this issue gets the attention it deserves from CCP. Both log-offs and mass log-ins give certain players a tactical advantage and hamper enjoyment of the game by others. A lot of ideas have been mentioned for dealing with log-offs, here's one for dealing with log-ins which I don't think would be too hard to implement: A 10 second timer between members of the same Alliance logging into the game in the same system - I'm not a techie, but I don't see it being too difficult for the game to check recent log-ins in that system and if someone in the same alliance as you has logged in within 10 seconds, your log-in gets delayed.
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2006.12.28 14:19:00 - [79] Edited by: PCaBoo on 28/12/2006 14:21:46 Originally by: Crozon A 10 second timer between members of the same Alliance logging into the game in the same system - I'm not a techie, but I don't see it being too difficult for the game to check recent log-ins in that system and if someone in the same alliance as you has logged in within 10 seconds, your log-in gets delayed. I'm all for solutions to the login traps, but I don't think that's suitable for every situation. Those with allies or friends (not in the alliance) can still abuse the system. As for my own potential solution, I think that (based on your idea), that a login-to-system queue be implemented. 'x' amount of players can login to any system during 'y' amount of time. Something like the jump-queues... Well that's my idea. I'm sure there are better solutions, but I can't think of 'em. Hope CCP or the playerbase can. edit: engrish no good wen sreepy ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Katana Seiko Made in Germany	Posted - 2006.12.28 17:02:00 - [80] guess what... he wants to get some killmails and is just too bad to get one... dude, 0.0 is not designed to kill everyone, just to have a little thread factor while you're outside empire... --- The future begins now - in EVE we live it, in real life we create it!

DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:58:00 - [81] Yeah this worked thanks a lot for moving this thread to this section, It kills it quicker than any lock could. Guess noone really cares, or at least contact me to tell me that its being looked at or to f'off cause you dont really care if its fixable or not. This limbo stuff sux. You have my e-mail two sentences are plenty enough. WIldCat Sig nerfz0rd. Remember kids, it's 400x120 and less than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) -Conuion Meow
Viront Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.21 14:26:00 - [82] Rats and roid should be able to ctrl-q as well.
Binarii	Posted - 2007.01.21 16:35:00 - [83] Edited by: Binarii on 21/01/2007 16:34:38 Easy to fix. Ships shouldn't warp away if scrambled when logging off. Scrambled ships should stay in space for the duration of the scramble.


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