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Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:15:00 - [1] After reading a few too many ôHelp me fit xxxxö threads and seeing a repeating theme of æshouldnÆt be flying the ship yetÆ problems I figured I would put this out there. Here is an easy to understand flow chat of when you should fly the next big ship. Too many people seem to think bigger is better and getting the minimal skills to fly a ship equals ready to fly it. This info is in My Own Opinion. Ship Class - Minimal SP - Recomended SP Frigate- 800k - 2m Hint: Get Frigate to Level 5 Destroyer - 1.5m - 2.5m Hint: Cap Injectors, Medium Guns,Tracking computers, Destroyer 4, Engineering 4, Afterburner Cruiser- 3m - 4m Hint: Heavy Missiles, Mediums Guns, BCU, DCU, level 4 on Guns, Medium Nos, MWD, Drones 5. All Defensive items and fitting Items should be T2. Battle Cruiser - 4m - 7m Hint: T2 Offensive, T2 Defensive, Drone Interfacing 5, Spaceship Command 5, Target painter, Jammer, Damp, Sensor Booster. Should be able to Solo Level 3 Missions with ease. Battleship - 6m - 10m Hint: Full T2 lay out, no fitting issues. Jump Clones, fit all Rigs. Should be able to afford to replace the ship and jump right into the next fully fitted one. Get BS to Level 5 Tech 2 Ship Hint: Tech 2 Ships are skill intensive, to use one you must have the minimal Requirements. But you need to have all the Support skills behind them. There shouldnÆt be a job you canÆt do for your team. Factions BS Hint: Unlike Regular BS, the use of a Faction comes down to ISK. If you can afford to use one, you Can afford to replace one. If you CanÆt afford to fit a Faction BS with Faction Gear, donÆt use it yet. These ships are Status symbols and Toys, not really cost effective in PVP but 1 vs 1 you should come out on top! ------------------------------------- Proud member of G Guild!
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:21:00 - [2] There isn't a single L3 that can't be easily done by a ~2m SP pilot in a BC, with the only T2 fitting being a T2 repper and mostly mid-range named T1 parts (i.e. what new pilots can actually afford). If you're trying to provide a guideline for PvP supremacy, your numbers may be more accurate, but for the average Empire noob, there is zero reason to imply they need 4m+ SP and a fully T2 BC to do L3s, they simply aren't anywhere near that difficult.
Ihar Enda Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:28:00 - [3] Edited by: Ihar Enda on 27/12/2006 23:29:08 BS lv5 at 6-10 mil SP level is a waste of time, unless that's the only thing you fly. And fitting 3 rigs is probably a waste of isk right now if you don't have hundreds of milions to throw away.
Galactic Magi	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Majin82 Destroyer - 1.5m - 2.5m Hint: Cap Injectors, Medium Guns,Tracking computers, Destroyer 4, Engineering 4, Afterburner How do u fit med guns on destroyer?
Keshi Linegod Amarr Space Turtle Services	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Galactic Magi Originally by: Majin82 Destroyer - 1.5m - 2.5m Hint: Cap Injectors, Medium Guns,Tracking computers, Destroyer 4, Engineering 4, Afterburner How do u fit med guns on destroyer? Good question. Maybe you do if you only want to have to guns and no tank. You dont need frigit 5 for any mission. I can solo level 3 missions in my T2 rep + other T1 fittings with no proublem. I dont even see a need to train for T2 guns yet. OP: Your list is over kill. -------------------------------------------------- EvE is a sand box. Build a sand castle and beg someone to come destroy it just so you can have the fun of building it up again.
Marcathonas The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:43:00 - [6] Edited by: Marcathonas on 27/12/2006 23:47:14 Hints: destroyers dont use med guns and really shouldn't be fitted with cap injectors. I really cannot think of a reason to use either. I have 2.4mil SP total, and can comfortably fly a cruiser. My guns aren't t2 and nor is my tank, but it kills interceptors happily. the BC "hints" were just crap tbh. As said before, 2 mil SP will work. I happen to be uncomfortable in a cyclone, but that's because my armor skills are all 4 and my shield skills are all 2. BS depends on the person. Some people dont feel comfortable with 10mil SP. Some can hop in with 4 mil fully BS specced and actually make it work. T2 ships yes, you should be able to fulfill your own role fully. Faction BS are, indeed, about the isk. Sorry, but that was a rather poor job of a "min spec" list. EDIT: Problem is, most low SP characters have limited experience. I was lucky enough to jump in with more experienced pilots, and with their help/experience can make the most out of my fitting skills, and have trained specifically to do well in the ships I am flying most. Newbies who are still learning the ropes/have little guidance don't really know how to do that, EG mixed guns/double tank setups, etc
Magnus Card Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.27 23:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Galactic Magi Originally by: Majin82 Destroyer - 1.5m - 2.5m Hint: Cap Injectors, Medium Guns,Tracking computers, Destroyer 4, Engineering 4, Afterburner How do u fit med guns on destroyer? WTB mod that boosts grid by a multiple of 10 Still rockin as a !
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.28 00:14:00 - [8] load of rubbish, people can do some lvl4's with a raven <1m SP's I was in an APOC with 1.2m SP's so I could easily do lvl3 missions and was tanking & killing tripple 1.8mil BS spawns in 0.0 with <6mil SP's ---------------------- Pointless forum slowing bandwidth hogging signature pic inc?
Shayla Sh'inlux Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.28 00:15:00 - [9] Edited by: Shayla Sh''inlux on 28/12/2006 00:17:12 Your guide is way off tbh. You can hop in a destroyer at 1mil, a cruiser at around 1.7-1.8 depending on your chosen skillpath and a BC anywhere between 2,5 and 3mil again depending on your skillpath. BS should be possible around 5-6mil with decent-ish fittings and most common rank 1/2's at lvl 5. Then from BS it's simply a while of training skills to lvl 5 and getting requirements for tech II ships. You're at 20mil by the time you're "done". Then it's another 10mil leap before you're Capital ship ready and another 5-ish before you can properly pilot Carriers and CC's. Of course you can perfectly fly a top of the line Interceptor without touching the cruiser or medium turret skill. Most common skillpath would be something like: Frig -> Destroyer -> Cruiser -> Assault Frig -> Tech II small turrets -> working on fitting skills -> Battlecruiser -> working on gunnery and drone skills -> working on cap and navigation skills -> Interceptor -> Battleship -> working on Gunnery skills -> Tech II Cruiser -> tech II medium turrets etc. Originally by: "Cy4n1d3" You can't PVP with 4 mids.
vr0p Gallente Hatori Mining Services	Posted - 2006.12.28 00:36:00 - [10] This list doesn't make sense to me. Minimal SP to fly a frigate = 800k? I was in a frigate after my 3rd or so tutorial mission and never managed to blow it up. By 800k I was in an Arbitrator starting to get into level 3 missions. Skipped destroyer and battlecruiser and went straight for an Apoc around 2M. I've since lost about 5 BS, but how else are you going to find out what sucks and what doesn't? Arbitrary skillpoint thresholds don't really have any bearing on how YOU handle and adapt with your choice of ship. Just insure your ship and train your weaknesses in it...

Arushia Nova Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.28 02:14:00 - [11] Originally by: vr0p This list doesn't make sense to me. Minimal SP to fly a frigate = 800k? I was in a frigate after my 3rd or so tutorial mission and never managed to blow it up. By 800k I was in an Arbitrator starting to get into level 3 missions. Well, 800k is the new start SP ammount. You're right about the guide being rubbish though. ---- I accept that this post reflects upon my corp, even if I claim it does not.
Masta Killa BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.28 03:49:00 - [12] This skill point "guide" is incredibly dumb. Do people need to have max skills to "get" to fly ships? You sir need a massive dose of l2p ;\|
Aries Acheron Caldari The Valour United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.12.28 04:54:00 - [13] This is a useless guide. Nobody needs frigate 5 unless they're going to be flying an inty or AF very soon. Destroyers are a totally optional (and in my opinion, should be skipped) step. The best thing a new player can do after mastering level 1 missions is to jump into one of their race's two primary combat cruisers. At 1.5 mil skillpoints, that's more than enough to literally own the hell out of any carebare mission, even with learning skills included in that. If you're talking about PVP, you can do it with less than 3 mil in a battlecruiser. The key is to be smart. It's not like a 5 percent increase in your blaster damage is going to make up for not knowing when to shut off your MWD, or fitting utter garbage. There's no guide for every situation. You could rat and gang PVP just fine in 0.0 with 2 mil SP and a smartly (not expensively, that's quite different) fit cruiser or battlecruiser. ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! http://survive-eve.blogspot.com/
Shandling Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.28 05:08:00 - [14] It's NOT a good idea to look at your SP and say 'hey, I have 8 million, I'll fly a BS!' That's NO GOOD if the bulk of your 8 mil is spent on learning skills and other non-BS skills.. ie. small ships, industry, etc. Plus, if you go DIRECTLY towards whatever class you want to fly, you might have considerably less than what this guide lists.
Slayton Ford Caldari Ill Tempered Bus Drivers	Posted - 2006.12.28 07:06:00 - [15] I was in a cruiser at 1 mill and a BC at 1.5 mill (ferox). Now I'm in a drake which is very forgiving for low sp players, as long as they put sp in the right areas (such as engineering, shields, etc).
Brue Gauzer	Posted - 2006.12.28 07:30:00 - [16] I am sorry to say Majin, but this guide is useless, i would agree to this guide if you mean "Fly a ship with best possible results for PvP" but minimal SP for battleship 6m SP? heh, i and just like many other pilots jumped into BS around 2-3mil SP because BS are money makers, even if i cant fit all the best guns on it, it is enough with minimum req to start making a profit and the battleship's raw firepower and raw tank holds its own: my "minimum" req for BS would be: - Use of Active Hardeners + xl Shield Booster + Torps/Cruise or Large Guns/Heavy Drones count up the skills to use these Mods and you have a minimum SP for Battleship and frigate to level 5? that only useful if you are going spec small ships
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.12.28 07:32:00 - [17] Sp means nothing, There's no "guidelines" on what people spent their Sp on. A 10mill Sp pilot may well have lolerskates gunnery/engineering/drone skills and loads of industry/poinltess skills. Their's no way i'd want him flying in my gang. On the other hand a 6mill Sp pilot with 4mill focussed Sp in amarr gunnery stick the chap in a Geddon and he serves a purpose. Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Jehovah Cooper Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.28 07:36:00 - [18] I was able to do every level 3 mission in a Ferox with 850k SP, and at least 250k of that was in learning. At 1.5m SP I was killing battleships in 0.0 in a Raven. Frigate 5?! Yes, that extra 5% is worth the 9 days training when you could be getting far more by focusing on tanking, gunnery and drone skills and flying a much better ship. Frigate 5 is for flying inties and AF. This is really amusing though glad I read it. I do tend to agree for PvP it is easy to get ahead of yourself. I am still a n00b and have only flown a BS for PvP in a few specific occasions where I knew exactly why I was flying it and how I was fitting it for that purpose. I think when focusing on PvP it is a good idea to try and max-out relevant support skills for the class of ship. I have not much had the patience to do this but have kind of spread myself thin and then started filling things in as I understand better which types of ship and style of PvP I like the most and want to focus on.
franny Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.12.28 07:54:00 - [19] I want to see what you say for Dreads, Carriers, etc 40m minimum SP?, 60m recomended? this has to be one of the best joke posts i've seen in ages, it is a joke, right? RIGHT?? CEO - PKKP Recruitment
Thor Ba'aleron	Posted - 2006.12.28 08:52:00 - [20] Poor Guide. I ran level 3's in a Raven (before level 4's) with 1.5m sp. If yer caldari you could easily handle level 3 missions in a Ferox with barely more than starting skills. (hint - shield upgraqdes 1, tactical shield manipulation 4, heavy missiles 1)

Shandling Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.28 08:56:00 - [21] ALERT to new players! Do NOT listen to the original post on this thread! Those guidelines are craptastical!
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.12.28 08:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Thor Ba'aleron Poor Guide. I ran level 3's in a Raven (before level 4's) with 1.5m sp. If yer caldari you could easily handle level 3 missions in a Ferox with barely more than starting skills. (hint - shield upgraqdes 1, tactical shield manipulation 4, heavy missiles 1) Thier IS a reason Caldari is called the Easy Mode race ya know Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.28 08:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Sp means nothing, There's no "guidelines" on what people spent their Sp on. A 10mill Sp pilot may well have lolerskates gunnery/engineering/drone skills and loads of industry/poinltess skills. Their's no way i'd want him flying in my gang. On the other hand a 6mill Sp pilot with 4mill focussed Sp in amarr gunnery stick the chap in a Geddon and he serves a purpose. Alliaanna yup totally right. i had an alt that i sold who was an awesome zealot pilot with 9mil sp but this character (main) wasn't hac ready until over 20mil sp. not really a good guide i'm sorry to say. DE
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2006.12.28 09:31:00 - [24] That is the worst post ever. If you had to wait 3 mil to get into a cruiser. 9 in 10 players would quit the game of boredom before that. I was able to fly my Battleship when i was 2 mil SP and had ZERo problems with it with 2 M SP you can have a pretty specialized BC pilot. People must get over the idea you need tech 2 guns and specialization on weapon type to use a ship. If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.12.28 09:39:00 - [25] sp only matters so much. Infact the only fights that are decided by sp alone are the ones against an identical setup with an identical playstyle, which pretty much never happens. So why worry about it? Just learn to use what you can the best you can and the sp will come in time. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Cesar Costa	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Shandling ALERT to new players! Do NOT listen to the original post on this thread! Those guidelines are craptastical! Yeah im pretty newbie but even a sucky pvp¦er like me knows that this thread is.... weird... Twice the pride, double the fall.
Ogdru Jahad Amarr Dark Entropy	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:29:00 - [27] crap utter crap.. if your wondering why I say crap... My chr whom earns around 2b a week in a hac. there you go. I have been able to fly a hac since i was 5m sp. mind you wasnt very well at all but could do so. I didnt how ever fly one regularly till 4 weeks ago. I am nearing 8m sp. I am by no means complete with hacs. wont be for a while. - Originally by: Fire Hawk Jesus! Hey get back the alliance zealot bpos to the hangars, you homo
Barbicane The Gun Club	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:44:00 - [28] @OP: Don't bother trying to help people in this channel. You will just get flamed by morons who think they know everything about the game, yet won't bother to come up with an alternative solution after sabling down yours.
Leo Balthur Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:46:00 - [29] player skill > skill points
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2006.12.28 11:53:00 - [30] Originally by: Ogdru Jahad crap utter crap.. if your wondering why I say crap... My chr whom earns around 2b a week in a hac. there you go. I have been able to fly a hac since i was 5m sp. mind you wasnt very well at all but could do so. I didnt how ever fly one regularly till 4 weeks ago. I am nearing 8m sp. I am by no means complete with hacs. wont be for a while. And for NPC'ing thats fine Must annoy you that a 3mill Sp nubbin in a Raven can NPC faster/better than you though I hate Caldari btw Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!



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