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Eleese Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:57:00 - [661] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Ifni Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Itzena A+ thread, would read again. Also, purely out of curiosity - if IAC tried to hire MC to attack ISS...would they get a discount after all of this? If we would, we would be: - Taking yet another easy contract, because according to public opinion ISS' military power is zilch. - Would be holding a grudge, which is unprofessional because we're meant not to care right? Anyhow, that would be between IAC and our contract negotiaters. :) Who needs the MC when you have GH-SC? Different flavours really. GH-SC offer destruction by means that MC probably won't employ. Both offer some of the same services and MC probably has more pilots. Both tools merit their use, although I would have some serious personal morality issues with some of the methods Istvaan and his merry bunch employ. :) Think he meant the fact GH-SC is (or rumoured to be) pretty much IAC or have joined or play alts within :) Not that we or they are better/worse/different :)
DiuxDium Casting Shadows	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:58:00 - [662] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Nez Perces Butter Dog, you actually won the thread now.... congratulations. And you still have a reputation ... of sorts \o/ Told you I wasnt lying :p You make for the best drama.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:59:00 - [663] Hello again! just a quick announcement my lonely hearts post is up bye! PS... and no, seleene, you can't have me ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:59:00 - [664] Originally by: Eleese Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Ifni Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Itzena A+ thread, would read again. Also, purely out of curiosity - if IAC tried to hire MC to attack ISS...would they get a discount after all of this? If we would, we would be: - Taking yet another easy contract, because according to public opinion ISS' military power is zilch. - Would be holding a grudge, which is unprofessional because we're meant not to care right? Anyhow, that would be between IAC and our contract negotiaters. :) Who needs the MC when you have GH-SC? Different flavours really. GH-SC offer destruction by means that MC probably won't employ. Both offer some of the same services and MC probably has more pilots. Both tools merit their use, although I would have some serious personal morality issues with some of the methods Istvaan and his merry bunch employ. :) Think he meant the fact GH-SC is (or rumoured to be) pretty much IAC or have joined or play alts within :) Not that we or they are better/worse/different :) slaps forehead - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:02:00 - [665] Originally by: Goodtime Girl Hell if my misses knew what I said behind her back my nads would be pickled and fed to me over a period of months ...... we all say things "we really don't mean" (apart from wanting to do the finger a bum thing to her) but are just venting steam and frustrations .. K.. but this is EVE and Count T leads an alliance, every word he utters carries significance.... and he should know that what he says can end up used against him publicly. Thats the way it works, its ugly, its not very nice but thats how things work. Besides.. this get out clause.. of "Oh I was angry and frustrated"... etc.. doesnt work anymore.. because Count T closed that door by posting that he had not been in communication with Butter Dog for over 6 months and did not approve of his forum antics. Something which does not tally up with the tone of the PM and the date on which it was sent. The guy tried to bury BD publicly with lies..... thats bad.. no matter which way you look at it. And you simply cannot afford to do that stuff in Count T's position.
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:07:00 - [666] Originally by: Clipparius I have already announced my intention to leave ISSN within 24 hours, so this is what I make of it (purely a grunt's opinion) The PM between BD and the Count has been proved to be correct. ... the Count's first response was emotional, then rational. I felt bitterly let down by MC when it was first announced they were leaving - do i feel like that now? NO. I have fought under MC FC's before, would I again - HELL YES. Sorry to see you moving on again Clip, particularly at this time. Had I still been in ISSN I expect I would have reacted exactly the same way. And you don't want to see ME Venting when things aren't going my way ... oh .. hang on, you have! Btw .. I dispute Butter Dog's claim to have won this thread. I won it. Myn
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:09:00 - [667] Originally by: Wicke Wicke> Mickey mouse killed JFK. Nez> Someone quick... arrest Mickey Mouse!! He murdered JFK! See how easy it is to be Nez? Yes its hard work... all this typing. Mickey Mouse was the third shooter on the grassy knoll, everybody knows that.. whats your point?
Butter Dog Gallente The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:13:00 - [668] Originally by: Ryunoko But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread". Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me. I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done. I'm not that kind of person.
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:22:00 - [669] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Ryunoko But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread". Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me. I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done. I'm not that kind of person. What you say you are and what you appear to be are two very different things. Online communities are very solipsistic worlds. Perception is everything. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Kuang V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:34:00 - [670] Originally by: petergriffen You haven't POSTED anything with ANY merit except for a screenshot of a message that Count sent to you in a private forum. If you think you're posting to 'expose MC for being corrupt' or whatever, you lost that war on Page 1. Actually think he has done pretty good in his initial arguments .
Takahashi Arran coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:34:00 - [671] heh, nicely done ITG, wonder if you'll get a PC gamer article for this one
Clipparius ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:35:00 - [672] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Sorry to see you moving on again Clip, particularly at this time. Myn Myn, the reason I am leaving has nothing to do with the IAC war. If it wasn't for IAC, I would have left 3 weeks ago. I have only stayed so I could help IAC into the black on their killboard :) My reasons for leaving ISSN really are personal - I will chat to you in game if you really want to know the reasons I am leaving, but IAC or ButterDog are not them :)
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:36:00 - [673] Originally by: Butter Dog Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me. I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done. I'm not that kind of person. Butter Dog, as I tried to tell you before this blew up, Privately, then Publicly, your forum posts do more damage than any one director can do with the wallet. You then proceded to take it to an extreme that I hadn't imagined you were capable of. Myn
Ice Ghost Gallente Frontier Worlds Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:37:00 - [674] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Ryunoko But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread". Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me. I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done. I'm not that kind of person. just to win a thread you decided to destroy the aliance who DID trust you...
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:44:00 - [675] I feel as though my questions will go unanswered, and he'll simply leave this thread without replying to the accusations against MC he made... I feel so dejected.
Butter Dog Gallente The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:45:00 - [676] Originally by: Ice Ghost Edited by: Ice Ghost on 30/12/2006 23:39:22 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Ryunoko But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread". Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me. I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done. I'm not that kind of person. just to win a thread you decided to destroy the aliance and people who DID trust you... No, I did that when the leader of the alliance who I once respected greatly, came on here and told outright LIES about me. This isnt hard to understand, now stop being bitter and reducing this to a dicussion about me just because MC look like cowards.
Gutsani The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:48:00 - [677] well, seems like this thread has served its perpose. elchief, maybe its time to request the lock? (unless someone has anything usefull to say) And as about "destroying an alliance that once trusted you", tah .. you reap what you sow. It would be the first time an alliance gets destroyed because of a forum post though If you are gonna kick count, at least pick someone who can make a charter next time! I love it when a plan falls together ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
Clipparius ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:49:00 - [678] To be honest, wouldn't it be great if this was a GHSC plot, rather than a bog standard IAC expansion?
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.30 23:55:00 - [679] Well I mangaged to get to the end of the thread... In my honest opinion Butter, the only thing you have proven is that Count sent you a PM. In the PM, Count complains about the fact that MC wouldn't attack AAA for love nor money. His quite harsh words are probably said in a moment of frustration because he couldn't get MC to do what he wanted. Possibly he wrote to you looking for support of some form or another. He obviously thought you were trustworthy. What is certain that nobody in their right minds will be PM'ing you in the future with any kind of sensitive information, or looking for perhaps somebody to sound off on. You've lost credibility on that front. To put it bluntly, what I mean is that you cannot be trusted. All the rest is based on hearsay "chummy told me that...." and a lot of accusations for which you have yet to produce any supporting evidence. Your "reasoning", no doubt skewed by the tantrum you are throwing because you were asked to stop posting, is based on repeating the same unsupported "facts" over and over again, in the same way that people can convince themselves that their lies are actually the truth. Way back in these 20 odd pages someone gave you some good advice when he suggested that you step back from the forums. It's a shame you didn't take it. Good luck with finding another Corp.
Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:01:00 - [680] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Well I mangaged to get to the end of the thread... In my honest opinion Butter, the only thing you have proven is that Count sent you a PM. In the PM, Count complains about the fact that MC wouldn't attack AAA for love nor money. His quite harsh words are probably said in a moment of frustration because he couldn't get MC to do what he wanted. Possibly he wrote to you looking for support of some form or another. He obviously thought you were trustworthy. What is certain that nobody in their right minds will be PM'ing you in the future with any kind of sensitive information, or looking for perhaps somebody to sound off on. You've lost credibility on that front. To put it bluntly, what I mean is that you cannot be trusted. All the rest is based on hearsay "chummy told me that...." and a lot of accusations for which you have yet to produce any supporting evidence. Your "reasoning", no doubt skewed by the tantrum you are throwing because you were asked to stop posting, is based on repeating the same unsupported "facts" over and over again, in the same way that people can convince themselves that their lies are actually the truth. Way back in these 20 odd pages someone gave you some good advice when he suggested that you step back from the forums. It's a shame you didn't take it. Good luck with finding another Corp. I agree with you 100%, I'd say YOU won the thread!
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:01:00 - [681] I have so many truth cards in my pocket. But yet, they wish to remain in my pocket. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Butter Dog Gallente The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:06:00 - [682] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Well I mangaged to get to the end of the thread... In my honest opinion Butter, the only thing you have proven is that Count sent you a PM. In the PM, Count complains about the fact that MC wouldn't attack AAA for love nor money. His quite harsh words are probably said in a moment of frustration because he couldn't get MC to do what he wanted. Possibly he wrote to you looking for support of some form or another. He obviously thought you were trustworthy. What is certain that nobody in their right minds will be PM'ing you in the future with any kind of sensitive information, or looking for perhaps somebody to sound off on. You've lost credibility on that front. To put it bluntly, what I mean is that you cannot be trusted. All the rest is based on hearsay "chummy told me that...." and a lot of accusations for which you have yet to produce any supporting evidence. Your "reasoning", no doubt skewed by the tantrum you are throwing because you were asked to stop posting, is based on repeating the same unsupported "facts" over and over again, in the same way that people can convince themselves that their lies are actually the truth. Way back in these 20 odd pages someone gave you some good advice when he suggested that you step back from the forums. It's a shame you didn't take it. Good luck with finding another Corp. Well congratulations on failing to read the thread past your original post 20 pages ago, I guess. I would not have revealed that PM had Count not come on here and told lies about me (there was no reason to do that at the time, I hadn't brought him into it). By electing to do so, he forced my hand. It was that or lose all credibility and have people assume I was telling porkies. That wasnt going to happen, when it came down to choosing between me and him, I chose myself - and I dont think I was wrong to do that. I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere. Oh and Crozon is an ISSN alt.
Dari Vire	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:09:00 - [683] 1) wtf are porkies. 2) how is counts pm at all a lie? so he was disappointed about one particular aspect. 3) how is that sensitive information?
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:10:00 - [684] Originally by: Butter Dog I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere. You've ignored every request I've had to provide evidence for your several slanderous claims against MC, as well as clarification about instances where you've told several versions of the same story in this very thread. So back up something else, since I still have questions.
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:11:00 - [685] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Ice Ghost Edited by: Ice Ghost on 30/12/2006 23:39:22 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Ryunoko But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread". Er, excuse me, but I didnt bring Count into this until he posted lies about me in an attmept to discredit me. I have been nothing but honourable. I was a Director in ISSN, I had access to valuable accounts, I pulled my roles and I left honourably - consider what I could have done. I'm not that kind of person. just to win a thread you decided to destroy the aliance and people who DID trust you... No, I did that when the leader of the alliance who I once respected greatly, came on here and told outright LIES about me. This isnt hard to understand, now stop being bitter and reducing this to a dicussion about me just because MC look like cowards. Blunder Dog... One thing you seem to be totally incapable of understanding is that we (being MC) are not 'scared'. This is a game. We are not all shivering in front of our computers, afraid that we might lose some zeroes and ones. For some reason you seem to project your personal feelings about combat and contracts on top of what actions we decide to take. We are mercenaries. We do not play for honor, or for a challenge, or on behalf of morals, ethics, or whims. Get over your own personal perception of how we make decisions and step back and engage your logic and reason. We are not 'afraid' of AAA. It was a business decision based on an offer. Do you even realize , in a worst case scenario, how long it would take to even build the replcement capital fleet assuming the fight went to Hell in a handbasket? It would take a MASSIVE sum of money to not only cover the actual replacement of cap ships... but the contracts that we'd be missing out on while the weeks and months passed in order to replace said ships. This is not fear, this is business. Until you can disengage your mouth and stop and think you are going to continue to regurgitate the same crap over and over again. I have no idea how in the world someone could affiliate 'fear' or 'cowardice' with a game. But... up to this point... I never thought I'd see someone publicly execute their own reputation. So... color me surprised. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Buzee Flight Of Fantasy	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:12:00 - [686] Originally by: Omeega I have so many truth cards in my pocket. But yet, they wish to remain in my pocket. Pretty please, tell us how you went on MC ts and made Sel buy your tinfoil hat..pleeeaaaseee
Butter Dog Gallente The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:13:00 - [687] Originally by: Dari Vire 1) wtf are porkies. 2) how is counts pm at all a lie? so he was disappointed about one particular aspect. 3) how is that sensitive information? Porkies are lies. Count did not lie in his PM, he expressed his opinion. He lied when he posted in this thread about me (read back), trying to discredit me and saying he kicked me from ISSN (lie), and that I he had not revealed any sensitive information to me (lie). Bascially, at a point where I had not involved him, nor intended to involve him in the thread, he tried to stamp me out of it. I responded the way I had to. It was sink or swim.
petergriffen Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:14:00 - [688] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Der Pfaffe Well I mangaged to get to the end of the thread... In my honest opinion Butter, the only thing you have proven is that Count sent you a PM. In the PM, Count complains about the fact that MC wouldn't attack AAA for love nor money. His quite harsh words are probably said in a moment of frustration because he couldn't get MC to do what he wanted. Possibly he wrote to you looking for support of some form or another. He obviously thought you were trustworthy. What is certain that nobody in their right minds will be PM'ing you in the future with any kind of sensitive information, or looking for perhaps somebody to sound off on. You've lost credibility on that front. To put it bluntly, what I mean is that you cannot be trusted. All the rest is based on hearsay "chummy told me that...." and a lot of accusations for which you have yet to produce any supporting evidence. Your "reasoning", no doubt skewed by the tantrum you are throwing because you were asked to stop posting, is based on repeating the same unsupported "facts" over and over again, in the same way that people can convince themselves that their lies are actually the truth. Way back in these 20 odd pages someone gave you some good advice when he suggested that you step back from the forums. It's a shame you didn't take it. Good luck with finding another Corp. Well congratulations on failing to read the thread past your original post 20 pages ago, I guess. I would not have revealed that PM had Count not come on here and told lies about me (there was no reason to do that at the time, I hadn't brought him into it). By electing to do so, he forced my hand. It was that or lose all credibility and have people assume I was telling porkies. That wasnt going to happen, when it came down to choosing between me and him, I chose myself - and I dont think I was wrong to do that. I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere. Oh and Crozon is an ISSN alt. You had no credibility to begin with, you're nothing but a traitor to your former alliance. I'm glad you got kicked out. I'm working on it!
Grimkill The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:14:00 - [689] I have a Question, are you allowed to post chat logs??? I have a great one, talk about BIG!!!!!
Butter Dog Gallente The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.31 00:15:00 - [690] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: Butter Dog I've provided all the evidence required to back up what I have said, anything else is opinion and conjecture. You can go in a flame merry-go-round all you like, it won't get anywhere. You've ignored every request I've had to provide evidence for your several slanderous claims against MC, as well as clarification about instances where you've told several versions of the same story in this very thread. So back up something else, since I still have questions. I dont give a flying toss about your 'questions' which you seem to think are so important. I mean, honestly... they are so ridiculously petty 'you lied about being in empire' etc (when in fact I WAS in empire all evening, only clone jumping to ZX for a minute, never heard of figures of speech?) Get over yourself.

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