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Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:04:00 - [631] Originally by: Dianabolic Of this imaginary six weeks of contract I can count on an amputated hand how many we've used. So it's true Dian. It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it? EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:04:00 - [632] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Butter Dog \o/ Told you I wasnt lying :p I'll admit that I underestimated you.. Anyways this seems like a happy ending.. I like happy endings. Yes he was though, about everything else regarding MC, save for the fact that we didn't want to engage AAA at that paticular moment, which we happily admited several dozen pages ago. Come on, you can't let the guy go because the one thing both sides agreed on actually turned out in a startling revelation to be true? I'd like to hear some more about the MC didn't have client thing for one, since thats by far his biggest claim (to us) thus far in the thread, and he hasn't done a thing to support it other then saying he knows a guy who knows a guy...
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:08:00 - [633] Originally by: Lorth Come on, you can't let the guy go because the one thing both sides agreed on actually turned out in a startling revelation to be true? I'd like to hear some more about the MC didn't have client thing for one, since thats by far his biggest claim (to us) thus far in the thread, and he hasn't done a thing to support it other then saying he knows a guy who knows a guy... Well the assumption is that it was Count T that told him about the lack of employer for Operation Prohibition.. (Butter Dog already hinted at it earlier) and that's where the buck stops.. I mean the guy has no problem telling porkies. Did he lie to Butter Dog too? .. I guess we will never know.. only Seleene and a few select MC know the answer to that question.
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:08:00 - [634] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: petergriffen You called out the alliance chairman in a public forum, what did you expect was to happen? Maybe he will think twice before lying on a public discussion forum in the future? I am done with this thread, I'm glad people know I was telling the truth at least, I have my honest perspective. Time to move on to pastures new. Can anyone offer a good home to a tired forum warrior? BD out x Oh no you don't. You've been made several allegations against the MC here in the this thread, and only one of which has been proven to be true, IE not attacking AAA, which of course we all agreed on in the first place. Now start backpeddling damn it because we're going to discuss the no client issue, the easy contract issue, and pretty much any other illconcieved thought you've had over the last dozen pages since there isn't a shred of evidence in your favour.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:09:00 - [635] Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 22:09:35 Originally by: Lorth Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Butter Dog \o/ Told you I wasnt lying :p I'll admit that I underestimated you.. Anyways this seems like a happy ending.. I like happy endings. Yes he was though, about everything else regarding MC, save for the fact that we didn't want to engage AAA at that paticular moment, which we happily admited several dozen pages ago. Can't let this pass.. I havent LIED about anything, I've told the truth as I understand it. Nothing has been said without a basis in evidence and reason, whether you agree with the evidence or reasoning is another matter. There is nothing more that I can do, other than that. Now, everyone knows Nez is the best judge of these thread, and MC officially lose the thread :) I've provided my proof. If you want to get anywhere, you need to provide yours. Of course you wont 'employer anonimity' prevents it. lol @ you ------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:09:00 - [636] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Lowa Chris, by reading the thread and the pm I'd say "no money would have made MC attack AAA on that night." Nothing about the plan for taking more stations. Two different discussions I recon. Cheers, Lowa You would not attack AAA, full stop. You are absolutely right NSN would never attack AAA, we are much to small to go head to head. Oh, that and the obvious thing that NSN is not part of MC at this time. And didnt MC attack/fight AAA during the defence of the FiX egg? Btw, when will you be taking on AAA? Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:10:00 - [637] Edited by: maGz on 30/12/2006 22:11:09 Originally by: Lorth Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Butter Dog \o/ Told you I wasnt lying :p I'll admit that I underestimated you.. Anyways this seems like a happy ending.. I like happy endings. Yes he was though, about everything else regarding MC, save for the fact that we didn't want to engage AAA at that paticular moment, which we happily admited several dozen pages ago. Come on, you can't let the guy go because the one thing both sides agreed on actually turned out in a startling revelation to be true? I'd like to hear some more about the MC didn't have client thing for one, since thats by far his biggest claim (to us) thus far in the thread, and he hasn't done a thing to support it other then saying he knows a guy who knows a guy... And your defence is that only a few directors know about the clients. Why should the public trust your directors anymore than BD (I know I'll get flamed for this)? ____________
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:10:00 - [638] Originally by: FowlPlayChiken bawk!:) <3 edit: Oh, ifni, MC were paid by individuals within ISS. ISS does not use IPO money for anything but the things prescribed in the IPO. No IPO money has ever gone to hiring mercs And you believe that? Still I'd like clarification on the costs and dividends, as I imagine, alot of people would, seeing as how this is a very public forum war, and reflects onto the profits ISS will take and any future employment oppurtunities for the MC. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:11:00 - [639] It's sad to see that Count doesn't tell the same thing to everyone on these kind of matters. It's a management style that while effective in the short term, can hurt someone in the long run. Consequences for ISS? I do not know. Consequences for Count? Not sure. This is quite a blow to integrity. Consequences for MC? Surely there will be some in the relationship between Count and Seleene, calling someone a coward probably won't go down well. In the big picture it could lead to a whole heap on things, but I'm not sure if it will effect the MC in a bad way. I am not sanctioned to release contract details, but I know that MC did not breach their side of the contract with our employer for this deployment. Any details are to be disclosed by someone that's got more to say in this military organization than I have. :) As to our influence in this conflict, I think some dreads might have died in the sieges if it wasn't for the extensive capital ship experience of the MC. Ofcourse that's all academical. :) Not sure how you want to make this some sort of PR nightmare for MC, Nez. Sure, one of our clients got discredited a bit, but that doesn't suddenly make the MC cowardly pilots who only take easy contracts. :) I'm really anxious to see Count speak again. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:13:00 - [640] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Lorth Come on, you can't let the guy go because the one thing both sides agreed on actually turned out in a startling revelation to be true? I'd like to hear some more about the MC didn't have client thing for one, since thats by far his biggest claim (to us) thus far in the thread, and he hasn't done a thing to support it other then saying he knows a guy who knows a guy... Well the assumption is that it was Count T that told him about the lack of employer for Operation Prohibition.. (Butter Dog already hinted at it earlier) and that's where the buck stops.. I mean the guy has no problem telling porkies. Did he lie to Butter Dog too? .. I guess we will never know.. only Seleene and a few select MC know the answer to that question. So we're going to give him a washout on all the BS thats been spewed forth, because he managed to prove one thing, the one thing we all agreed was true? Someone can't make 6 differant point, prove one to be true then somehow deduce that the other 5 must be true. He made a lot of BS claims in this thread, some of which have already been shown as such, some of which he's somehow manged to avoid because of a PM dealing with the only issue we actually agreed on. Lets see him try and prove we didn't have a client, something I'd like to see, since both sides no he's only spewing rubbish t further his own accord.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:13:00 - [641] Originally by: Butter Dog There is nothing more that I can do, other than that. Now, everyone knows Nez is the best judge of these thread, and MC officially lose the thread :) Well not quite.. you won the thread, yes.. you provided verifiable proof that Count T spoke to you about sensitive issues such as his displeasure with MC's performance against AAA... which could have included the lack of employer for Operation Prohibition. Who lost the thread? Well ISS lost, MC lost some.. but mainly you won the thread.. if you wanted to identify one main loser it would have to be: Count T, he is the only one that actually lied outright and the only one whose lie has been proven... the rest is conjecture... but still this thread did MC no favours.
Gutsani The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:14:00 - [642] Originally by: Dianabolic BoB are never informed of any pending or hypothetical MC contracts. Ever. How can we know this is true? BoB OBVIOUSLY knows everything in eve. Originally by: Dianabolic Of this imaginary six weeks of contract I can count on an amputated hand how many we've used. Well, you are NOT gonna tell the general eve public MC lives there for free. N.O.T. We all have seen that ***'s post about your constellation hiring. So either MC is paying you 5 (?) bill a month, or they do something else to keep you happy. Furthermore, "The BB" did look alot like a BoB plot seeing how badly you guys hate capital shipyards. Originally by:** Dianabolic BoB has no spies in its' alt alliance. I can only hope you guys are all schizophrenic then Originally by: Dianabolic Thanks for your time. I should thank you for your time, since you answered my joke post However, you cant possibly deny there is some truth in it. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
petergriffen Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:18:00 - [643] He's right, listen to what he says. You know how we're BoB's alts? the ISS directors are all OUR alts. Wrap your brain around THAT! I'm working on it!
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:18:00 - [644] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Butter Dog There is nothing more that I can do, other than that. Now, everyone knows Nez is the best judge of these thread, and MC officially lose the thread :) Well not quite.. you won the thread, yes.. you provided verifiable proof that Count T spoke to you about sensitive issues such as his displeasure with MC's performance against AAA... which could have included the lack of employer for Operation Prohibition. Who lost the thread? Well ISS lost, MC lost some.. but mainly you won the thread.. if you wanted to identify one main loser it would have to be: Count T, he is the only one that actually lied outright and the only one whose lie has been proven... the rest is conjecture... but still this thread did MC no favours. Agreed. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:19:00 - [645] Originally by: Nez Perces We have to now assume that Butter Dog was not lying when it comes to the non-existant employer for operation prohibition. Sorry where does this come from? I'm yet to see any evidence. You are basing that comment entirely on the assumption that it was Count T who was the client for that contract and that if it was him that his word cannot be trusted? Please correct me if these assumptions built upon assumptions is wrong
Ryunoko Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:33:00 - [646] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 30/12/2006 22:09:35 Originally by: Lorth Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Butter Dog \o/ Told you I wasnt lying :p I'll admit that I underestimated you.. Anyways this seems like a happy ending.. I like happy endings. Yes he was though, about everything else regarding MC, save for the fact that we didn't want to engage AAA at that paticular moment, which we happily admited several dozen pages ago. Can't let this pass.. I havent LIED about anything, I've told the truth as I understand it. Nothing has been said without a basis in evidence and reason, whether you agree with the evidence or reasoning is another matter. There is nothing more that I can do, other than that. Now, everyone knows Nez is the best judge of these thread, and MC officially lose the thread :) I've provided my proof. If you want to get anywhere, you need to provide yours. Of course you wont 'employer anonimity' prevents it. lol @ you I don't like forum discussions and all that stuff and this will hopefully be the only post i make.. But claiming you won this thread is funny.. let all discussions aside.. you may win as many as you want. But the only thing you've really won is your 'reputation' and the fact, that no one will ever trust you again and share any more or less confidential or interesting information, as you don't hesitate to go public with it and embarass, expose and whatnot the people that trust you (and may even call you a friend, i don't know your (former) relation to Count), just "to win a thread". -----
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:37:00 - [647] Originally by: Itzena A+ thread, would read again. Also, purely out of curiosity - if IAC tried to hire MC to attack ISS...would they get a discount after all of this? If we would, we would be: - Taking yet another easy contract, because according to public opinion ISS' military power is zilch. - Would be holding a grudge, which is unprofessional because we're meant not to care right? Anyhow, that would be between IAC and our contract negotiaters. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:37:00 - [648] Originally by: Emsigma Originally by: Lowa No. Stop. In that pm they are dicussing last nights events. Not a future planed event. Thats how I read it. You read it in an other way. Who is right? Me of course! All jokes aside, even butters said in his mind he was right. And in my mind I'm right. That makes both of us wrong tbfh. Erm..wait. wtf!? You PROMISED not to come back to the thread unless the "MC won't fight BoB under my conditions. lolz" or hawt chicks. There has been none! Now you owe me beer and mongolian BBQ when I come home to sweden! Oh crap I just ruined my self. Can you at least dress up and put on some make up for the bbq? /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:38:00 - [649] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Lorth Edited by: Lorth on 30/12/2006 22:23:43 Originally by: Butter Dog Can't let this pass.. I havent LIED about anything, I've told the truth as I understand it. Nothing has been said without a basis in evidence and reason, whether you agree with the evidence or reasoning is another matter. There is nothing more that I can do, other than that. Now, everyone knows Nez is the best judge of these thread, and MC officially lose the thread :) I've provided my proof. If you want to get anywhere, you need to provide yours. Of course you wont 'employer anonimity' prevents it. lol @ you Yes you have though. You said at one time you stayed in empire the whole time. You lied about that. You lied about the contract details. Or you randomly changed your story from page 2. You lied about the MC POS in F4, or simply didn't know. Your lying about MC's invlovment in the war, or are to silly to know other wise. Your either lying, or simply without a clue in regards to the MC vs AAA thing. You stated two differant versions of what MC were hired to do. Care to clearify which post you were lying in? You claim to know that MC didn't have a client against IAC the first time, yet have offered not a shread of evidence for it. You lied, or are grossly missinformed about capital ship numbers durng the POS seiges. Care to continue with more of the stuff you lied about, or were so grossly out of the loop that you didn't have a clue about and simply made up your own story to go with your forum spammage? for the love of God, give it up You lost the thread. I won it. Goodbye. Answer the claims then. I'll also add that you were lying about the reason you left ISS. Since you claim it was because of the MC, yet we were no longer working for them, there must have been anouther reason, so what was it? My sexeh bodeh! ____________
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:38:00 - [650] Originally by: Lowa Oh crap I just ruined my self. Can you at least dress up and put on some make up for the bbq? That allready comes free of charge! ---
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:40:00 - [651] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Itzena A+ thread, would read again. Also, purely out of curiosity - if IAC tried to hire MC to attack ISS...would they get a discount after all of this? If we would, we would be: - Taking yet another easy contract, because according to public opinion ISS' military power is zilch. - Would be holding a grudge, which is unprofessional because we're meant not to care right? Anyhow, that would be between IAC and our contract negotiaters. :) Who needs the MC when you have GH-SC? You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:43:00 - [652] Originally by: Butter Dog Can't let this pass.. I havent LIED about anything, I've told the truth as I understand it. Nothing has been said without a basis in evidence and reason, whether you agree with the evidence or reasoning is another matter. I think people should read this, think about it, read it again and then think what this mean before posting again. BD has posted regarding what he knows based on things that he has been told, things that he has read or things that he has experienced. All based on his perceptions of the information at that time. I mean.. seriously.. no matter how right or wrong he is, he is entitled to have an opinion and a perception about how things happens even if that would include that babies homes from santa clause. ---
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:44:00 - [653] Originally by: Nez Perces Comeon... all that stuff is irrelevant and is small fry.. the smoking gun has already been provided. The screenshot is genuine. Count T thought MC's performance was lacking, also Count T seems to be the source for the lack of employer. You are several scenes behind the plot. Butter Dog talks a lot, but he was not lying about the crucial thing here.. that screenshot. Trying to bury it with small details that are not relevant doesn't work. The stuff he said is not small fry when your a member of the MC. He publically posted the we had no employer for our contract. Yet has done nothing in the slightest to offer any amount of evidence to prove this. He stated that we always took the easy contract, yet ignored my rubutle, and kept on posting it again and again. Later in the thread he continued it insist that we didn't fullfill the contract obligations, despite him self offering two versions of the contract. Not to mention everyone else, who would know, saying that we did. He's stated that we had little to no influance in the battle for F4. Yet even IAC say a differant story, as well as everyone else involved in this conflict save for him. None of that stuff is small fry in the least. And he's been lying and telling two differant stories througout this whole thread. And I for one think its fun to back him into a corner and confront him with the slandreous accusastions that he's made against us, non of which he has bother to back up in the slightest other the repeating them for the last dozen pages. And about the only thing he's been right about, frankly has little to do with our own reputation, and I for one am not willing to give him a walk on all the falsehoods posted based on something that frankly has little bearing on my own alliences reputation.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:45:00 - [654] Originally by: Ifni Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Itzena A+ thread, would read again. Also, purely out of curiosity - if IAC tried to hire MC to attack ISS...would they get a discount after all of this? If we would, we would be: - Taking yet another easy contract, because according to public opinion ISS' military power is zilch. - Would be holding a grudge, which is unprofessional because we're meant not to care right? Anyhow, that would be between IAC and our contract negotiaters. :) Who needs the MC when you have GH-SC? Different flavours really. GH-SC offer destruction by means that MC probably won't employ. Both offer some of the same services and MC probably has more pilots. Both tools merit their use, although I would have some serious personal morality issues with some of the methods Istvaan and his merry bunch employ. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:47:00 - [655] One last post before I watch the hockey game for a couple hours... Could the puppet master please simply eve mail me. I'm dying to know who's pulling the strings here.
Clipparius ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:48:00 - [656] I have already announced my intention to leave ISSN within 24 hours, so this is what I make of it (purely a grunt's opinion) The PM between BD and the Count has been proved to be correct. this is not disputed. When I heard MC were leaving, I also though "cowards". The war was going well, and IAC were frankly up that certain creek without a paddle. Since then, I have had time to think. If I was Seleene, would I have jumped a cap fleet into god knows what? No I bloody wouldn't. My only thinking behind the Count's PM to BD is this....Count was getting carried away with the victories we were scoring (no-one can deny that we were winning, and hard), and to stop left a nasty taste in the mouth. I bet when the Count though about it logically though, he would have seen that MC were right. So, I am guessing (again, I am only a grunt in the war, I don't have access to a lot of the forums) that the Count's first response was emotional, then rational. I felt bitterly let down by MC when it was first announced they were leaving - do i feel like that now? NO. I have fought under MC FC's before, would I again - HELL YES.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:50:00 - [657] Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/12/2006 22:52:56 Originally by: Lorth The stuff he said is not small fry when your a member of the MC. He publically posted the we had no employer for our contract. Yet has done nothing in the slightest to offer any amount of evidence to prove this. He stated that we always took the easy contract, yet ignored my rubutle, and kept on posting it again and again. Later in the thread he continued it insist that we didn't fullfill the contract obligations, despite him self offering two versions of the contract. Not to mention everyone else, who would know, saying that we did. He's stated that we had little to no influance in the battle for F4. Yet even IAC say a differant story, as well as everyone else involved in this conflict save for him. None of that stuff is small fry in the least. And he's been lying and telling two differant stories througout this whole thread. And I for one think its fun to back him into a corner and confront him with the slandreous accusastions that he's made against us, non of which he has bother to back up in the slightest other the repeating them for the last dozen pages. And about the only thing he's been right about, frankly has little to do with our own reputation, and I for one am not willing to give him a walk on all the falsehoods posted based on something that frankly has little bearing on my own alliences reputation. Yeah but if you wanna argue every little thing he said... you will be here well into next year. To get any value out of this thread you have to distill the important points and those are 2 main claims that BD made. 1. Lack of employer for Operation Prohibition. >>>>> Count T is the source. 2. Not engaging AAA no matter what ISK was provided, wether on that night or in the future. >>>>>>> Count T is the source. Thats the important things.. everything else is details that mean a lot to you but in the context of the thread are not the main issues..... you have to be selective.. or else you will be guilty of burying the issue with lots and lots of words. Count T is the source. What happens next?...... I don't know.. maybe Count T will go quiet for several weeks, hoping everybody will forget this whole episode. Or perhaps he will make a statement and start a new show.. where MC do their utmost to brand him as a deranged lunatic? Who knows... but this show is over. Right now they are rolling the credits......
Grimkill The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:54:00 - [658] Time to lock this thread i think CASE CLOSED
Goodtime Girl Amarr Anger Management	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:55:00 - [659] Quote: Count T is the source. What happens next?...... I don't know.. maybe Count T will go quiet for several weeks, hoping everybody will forget this whole episode. Or perhaps he will make a statement and start a new show.. where MC do their utmost to brand him as a deranged lunatic? To be honest it was a private conversation between ButterDog and Count T It should have stayed that way and I would bet that Count T was just venting steam after another day at a full time job called Eve. Hell if my misses knew what I said behind her back my nads would be pickled and fed to me over a period of months ...... we all say things "we really don't mean" (apart from wanting to do the finger a bum thing to her) but are just venting steam and frustrations ..
Wicke Gallente Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.30 22:56:00 - [660] Originally by: Nez Perces K the screenshot is real.. and henceforth Count T said those things to Butter Dog. What does this mean? We have to now assume that Butter Dog was not lying when it comes to the non-existant employer for operation prohibition. Ofc the problem is that the source was Count T, a known liar.... so was he lying to BD when he told him about Seleene spilling the beans? I guess we will never know. Though it does cast a large shadow on the whole issue. AAA and MC not wanting to fight them: Either MC lack testicular fortitude or Count T is so far gone that he has become unrealistic in his assessment of military situations. Difficult to say which. Either way MC and ISS took a hit today. There is no escaping that. Butter Dog, you actually won the thread now.... congratulations. And you still have a reputation ... of sorts This is what you just said: Wicke> The sun will come up tomorrow. Wicke> Mickey mouse killed JFK. Nez> The sun came up today... Wicke is right! Nez> Someone quick... arrest Mickey Mouse!! He murdered JFK! So in fact: Originally by: Nez Perces Wicke, you actually won the thread now.... congratulations. And you still have a reputation ... of sorts See how easy it is to be Nez?

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