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Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.31 01:34:00 - [721] Originally by: Tovarishch NIET NIET Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.31 01:36:00 - [722] Originally by: Nez Perces How many 'friends' does Count T have with PM's sitting on their browsers where he complains about MC lacking testicular fortitude and revealing how MC did not have an employer for Operation Prohibition. No such quote has been presented, only BD saying that CT told him so. And now that CT perhaps wasnt all that straight forward with his opinion of MC that tail of a non-existant employer holds zero value. In short: No proof as been presented. If a picture or recording was to turn up then you still have to prove that Sel or whoever told CT this in the first place and then... you get the point. First part true. Second part is nowere near it. Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Algey ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 01:36:00 - [723] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Algey You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you. Any FC who wanted to take on that group without the proper intel isn't one I'd let command an operation like that. Come on, Algey. You know they wouldn't have engaged AAA, even when they all logged in and left the next day. Or we could have focused on RNF while they were logged out in JBY... it was just total fear, they gave up the moment AAA entered the picture. They have a 40ish strong dread fleet. We set up dreads for pos killing, and they jump in at over 100km and spank us, and we will lose a lot of dreads.
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 01:37:00 - [724] Edited by: Lorth on 31/12/2006 01:37:33 Originally by: Butter Dog 1) Tbh, I really don't know what you are talking about. You were contracted to take all three stations. Serenity Steele was late wiring over payment for the other two, but you stated you would have 'refunded the money anyway' with AAA in the picture. Anyway, you failed to take all three stations, and that co-incided with the arrival of AAA. Do you forget that I was part of the dread gang that was getting ready to jump into JB before you called everything off in a blind AAA induced panic? here you go Quote: They (the mercs) were there to take F4, and they will be there again if required. You also implied on page 2, and again on page 3 that we were contracted to take F4. Seleene, and Count say basically the same thing, with an option to extend. Though you, and only you changed your tone later in the thread to say that we were to take all three stations. So which version have you decided to stick to, despite the fact that your are in all likely hood not privy to info like that anyways. And in all likelyhood you know damn good and well why we didn't jump at the chance of sieging with AAA in the system. It doesn't take a huge leep of logic to understand why that would have been written down as one of our stupidest moves had we choosen to do so. Quote: 2) I've told you who my source was (only because of him wading into the thread trying to discredit me). The onus is now on YOU to provide evidence of an employer. If you can't, or won't, thats not my problem. Now you know as well as we do, we're not going to revel the identity of our client. To do so would be far worse then the select people who will actually believe you. Makes for a nice argument though. Saying something you know damn good and well that we can't prove, or won't in this case. And its also worth mentioning that when making allegations of this nature, you best be prepared to prove it, or be shown as a liar, its just the way things work in practice. But are you prepared to admit that other then a convo, with a guy who knew a guy who said something, you have no other evidence at all to support your claims?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.31 01:41:00 - [725] Originally by: Algey You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you. I don't have to manufacture anything, the problem exists in of its own right. Count T lied on these public boards to save himself trouble with MC, prepared to burn a 'friend' in order to save the MC <> ISS relationship. I'll tell you what it honestly looks like to me.. ISS are going down. Where is your firepower coming from when IAC start to gain more and more ground? Can ISSN hold out against IAC alone? This whole saga stinks of an alliance with big problems, and it looks like your MC/FIX/LV/Veto/KIA bandwagon was a waste of time and ISK. As a side effect MC's rep isn't as scary as it used to be. Thats what has happened here... its clear to see. My prediction: ISS is a sinking ship.
Algey ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 01:45:00 - [726] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Algey You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you. I don't have to manufacture anything, the problem exists in of its own right. Count T lied on these public boards to save himself trouble with MC, prepared to burn a 'friend' in order to save the MC <> ISS relationship. I'll tell you what it honestly looks like to me.. ISS are going down. Where is your firepower coming from when IAC start to gain more and more ground? Can ISSN hold out against IAC alone? This whole saga stinks of an alliance with big problems, and it looks like your MC/FIX/LV/Veto/KIA bandwagon was a waste of time and ISK. As a side effect MC's rep isn't as scary as it used to be. Thats what has happened here... its clear to see. My prediction: ISS is a sinking ship. Blub Blub, help I'm sinking, nooooooo.
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 01:46:00 - [727] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Algey You are determined to manufacture a problem aren't you. I don't have to manufacture anything, the problem exists in of its own right. Count T lied on these public boards to save himself trouble with MC, prepared to burn a 'friend' in order to save the MC <> ISS relationship. I'll tell you what it honestly looks like to me.. ISS are going down. Where is your firepower coming from when IAC start to gain more and more ground? Can ISSN hold out against IAC alone? This whole saga stinks of an alliance with big problems, and it looks like your MC/FIX/LV/Veto/KIA bandwagon was a waste of time and ISK. As a side effect MC's rep isn't as scary as it used to be. Thats what has happened here... its clear to see. My prediction: ISS is a sinking ship. The only, single claim made against MC in this entire thread, regarding the quality of our service, is the fact that we were not offered enough money to make it worth our time to endanger our entire capital fleet. Making a wise business decision based on finances somehow means our rep 'isn't as scary'? That's odd. I'd think the opposite would be true. That if we had been willing to do it that we'd be considered tactically stupid. See? Either way it would be spun that MC is horrible and 'not scary'. People love bashing us... All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.31 01:46:00 - [728] Originally by: Algey Blub Blub, help I'm sinking, nooooooo. Don't worry Admirals can swim just fine
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.31 01:48:00 - [729] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Der Pfaffe As I said earlier all you have proven is that you received a PM from Count. The rest is speculation and accusations based on your less than reliable reasoning and hearsay or evidence you claim to have but have yet to produce. Perhaps you would care to tell me how one provides concrete evidence of something subjective? I think you will find its not possible. It all comes down to opinion. We know that. The DIFFERENCE here is that the opinion is based on something. Cold, hard facts which no-one disputes. The original contract was for 3 stations, they failed in that, and it co-incided with AAA arriving. Draw your own conclusions. Well I have. Seleene's decision not to take on AAA in the famous (non)event you keep harping on about was based on sound military doctrine, remember Custer? Had you been leading the fleet there would have ended up in its component parts floating around in space. I know who I would want leading me. So now you are concentrating on the "Failiure to complete contract" part. What happened to the "few" (which actually turned out to be one)"unpaid contracts" saga. BTW KIA were actually involved in that first war with IAC and I know we got paid. While I have no idea about who the client was I think we can safely assume it was the same person that hired MC. Based solely on that evidence again I know who I would believe in this case. What I don't really understand is why you have ranted on for 20 pages about having evidence about what MC does and doesn't do, when what it really comes down to, as you admit above, is your own personal opinion... Of course you have no concrete evidence, you just started stamping your little feet because MC told you, you were making a fool out of yourself and ISS by posting on the forums and asked you to stop. Given that your opinion is based on a tantrum induced series of conjecture and speculation, with a little hearsay thrown in for good measure, your opinion isn't really based on a reasoned argument. But anyway that's just my own opinion.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2006.12.31 01:48:00 - [730] I feel compelled to post here for pepperami -
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.31 01:49:00 - [731] Originally by: Kyguard I feel compelled to post here for pepperami <3 [EVE TASK BAR?]
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.31 02:06:00 - [732] Its late and I cant find the bloody report thread but here is a locked one that would pretty much indicate that MC/FiX has already fought AAA. MC, FiX and AAA Cant remember numbers but there were capitals involved from both sides, I know FiX lost a bunch and that some RAT. fell asleep at a safe, got probed and lost 3 carriers. RAT. killed a sick amount of ships but FiX got their OP. Everyone had tons of fun. So what does this prove other than I'm up to late searching forums? MC ando others are not afraid to engage AAA. Why would they? If you get it on properly they are a riot to fight they bring it like very few others. Good night and a happy New Year ppl! \o/ Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Butter Dog Gallente The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.31 02:27:00 - [733] Originally by: Lorth Edited by: Lorth on 31/12/2006 01:37:33 Originally by: Butter Dog 1) Tbh, I really don't know what you are talking about. You were contracted to take all three stations. Serenity Steele was late wiring over payment for the other two, but you stated you would have 'refunded the money anyway' with AAA in the picture. Anyway, you failed to take all three stations, and that co-incided with the arrival of AAA. Do you forget that I was part of the dread gang that was getting ready to jump into JB before you called everything off in a blind AAA induced panic? here you go Quote: They (the mercs) were there to take F4, and they will be there again if required. You also implied on page 2, and again on page 3 that we were contracted to take F4. Seleene, and Count say basically the same thing, with an option to extend. Om my god, of course I did. Someone sell this man a clue. Mate, you have totally lost the plot here. I publically admitted, clearly stated, that I when I was in ISS I originally spun events to make it look like F4 was the only goal, and that I REGRETTED DOING SO. I did this because I wanted to make you guys look better than you really were. I stated F4 was the only goal because, at the time, thats what we (MC/ISS) wanted people to believe. Have you forgotten what side I was originally on? Clueless ftl. Why did I do this? Because back on page 2, you had not ****** me off. You hadnt sent me borderline abusive evemails. That all changed over 24 hours ago. I then resigned my roles in ISS, I publically stated I would make a post exposing the truth about the contract details (though Seleenes litte rants caused me to spill the beans early), and I did just that. Do you understand now? Or do you need me to talk a little slower? Honestly, its like teaching in a special school.
Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.31 02:37:00 - [734] Originally by: Butter Dog Clueless ftl... ... Do you understand now? Or do you need me to talk a little slower? Honestly, its like teaching in a special school. I just have to say this: you keep telling how everyone is personally attacking you while you are only trying to have a mature discussion. They make it personal, you are all reasonable, what is this then?
Butter Dog Gallente The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.31 02:39:00 - [735] Originally by: Xander Magnus Originally by: Butter Dog Clueless ftl... ... Do you understand now? Or do you need me to talk a little slower? Honestly, its like teaching in a special school. I just have to say this: you keep telling how everyone is personally attacking you while you are only trying to have a mature discussion. They make it personal, you are all reasonable, what is this then? Its called brining it down to their level. Its obviously language they understand.
Smoking Mirror Secret Interests Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.31 02:40:00 - [736] Edited by: Smoking Mirror on 31/12/2006 02:46:20 Nez Perce's argument is crap -- it hinges on the semantics of "sensitive", and when you're reduced to that, you got nothing. The Count is not a military commander. He relied on help from others for that, including Butter Dog. To his credit, Butter Dog stepped forward to fight and committ billions to help. To his discredit, he's a freakin' loose cannon and completely unable to see the other side of any story. When Butter Dog is ranting to the Count that sure, fighting AAA would have been no problem, maybe the Count, who has no particular reason to think otherwise at that point, believed him, and wrote what he wrote in the message. When reality takes hold, and other, more realistic advice comes, the Count realizes the case, and writes his public message. MC performed well in F4 -- that just can't be denied. BD can whine about whatever he wants there, but MC did the job in F4 just fine. Which the Count acknowledged. The two are not incompatible at all. The Count didn't lie -- he had an idea and changed his mind. The only problem here is BD careening around thinking only of himself, thinking that private messages from the Count meant more than they actually said. It's possible to be disappointed one day that AAA wasn't beaten, if some delusional FC you respected at the time tells you they could be, and then later realize that said FC was delusional, and appreciate the work that was actually done. It's really not a big deal. Nez Perces is a moron with an axe to grind and BD is a loose cannon who is clearly willing to cut off his nose to spite his face. What some people call "lieing" might actually be something more akin to "learning". Not a big deal.
N Solarz Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 02:43:00 - [737] considering this thread started out as just a general statement about how the war was going, this thread has steared (sp?) WAY off topic : P lock time maybe?
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.31 02:49:00 - [738] Originally by: Lowa Its late and I cant find the bloody report thread but here is a locked one that would pretty much indicate that MC/FiX has already fought AAA. MC, FiX and AAA Cant remember numbers but there were capitals involved from both sides, I know FiX lost a bunch and that some RAT. fell asleep at a safe, got probed and lost 3 carriers. RAT. killed a sick amount of ships but FiX got their OP. Everyone had tons of fun. So what does this prove other than I'm up to late searching forums? MC ando others are not afraid to engage AAA. Why would they? If you get it on properly they are a riot to fight they bring it like very few others. Good night and a happy New Year ppl! \o/ Cheers, Lowa It wasn`t only RAT. Since we created alliance with our friends - its aAa killed insane amount of ships As for losses. We was attacking, Lowa. We had NO safespot in system (all moons with POS) Kinda hard to perform 30 hours op, without able being to go pee-pee
Kaganis Warmonkey Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 02:57:00 - [739] Originally by: Butter Dog Don't forget: I said nothing bad about Count or ISS, until he chose to walk into the thread and attempt to discredit me, for reasons I still don't understand. No, sorry, you don't get away with that. Let's have a couple of quotes from before Counts about the "No Client for first IAC contract" claim: Originally by: Butter Dog Oh, and my source of this data? Seleene himself, in a private conversation to someone who entrusted me with the info (sorry I let it slip, nothing personal) Originally by: Butter Dog Seleene told someone who is a high ranking person in ISS, who passed the info to me. Added 1+1 together yet? Oh look! It was pretty clear you were referring to the Count. You publicly accuse the Count of slipping you info of that order & don't expect him to wash his hands of you? Seriously? By bringing that to the forum, it doesn't matter if you were lying about that, if he lied to you about it, or if you were both telling the truth, he has to slap you down for bringing that here. And you deserved it. You either lied about that convo, or betrayed a confidence by mentioning it. Doesn't matter who was right or wrong, you started to set him up before his post & put the boot in ever since.
Jnr Rau The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 03:06:00 - [740] Look Ma there is flames coming out of ISS's Hull... its gunna go pop soon. " grabs more popcorn and waits for the fraps on eve-files. " ----------------- Suck it and See.
Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2006.12.31 03:11:00 - [741] Lub your sig Evil Thug!
Tarsha Listur Glamour Bunnies Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 03:24:00 - [742] Edited by: Tarsha Listur on 31/12/2006 03:27:01 butters arguments remind me of that annoying goon that used to troll around these parts. and BD you contridict your self constantly, you say you are being mature and act like a freakin child, no no not in response too. since page one. no serious corp will ever have you no one will believe you (omgz a non sensitive PM) your anattention seeker, PS goons may recruit you, you seem thier type
shadyfox99 Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 03:26:00 - [743] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Edited by: Der Pfaffe on 31/12/2006 02:02:03 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Der Pfaffe As I said earlier all you have proven is that you received a PM from Count. The rest is speculation and accusations based on your less than reliable reasoning and hearsay or evidence you claim to have but have yet to produce. Perhaps you would care to tell me how one provides concrete evidence of something subjective? I think you will find its not possible. It all comes down to opinion. We know that. The DIFFERENCE here is that the opinion is based on something. Cold, hard facts which no-one disputes. The original contract was for 3 stations, they failed in that, and it co-incided with AAA arriving. Draw your own conclusions. Well I have. Seleene's decision not to take on AAA in the famous (non)event you keep harping on about was based on sound military doctrine, remember Custer? Had you been leading the fleet it would have ended up in its component parts floating around in space. I know who I would want leading me. So now you are concentrating on the "Failiure to complete contract" part. What happened to the "few" (which actually turned out to be one)"unpaid contracts" saga. BTW KIA were actually involved in that first war with IAC and I know we got paid. While I have no idea about who the client was I think we can safely assume it was the same person that hired MC. Based solely on that evidence I know who I would believe in this case. There is a reason why hearsay is not admissible by most respectable law systems, it tends to be unreliable. What I don't really understand is why you have ranted on for 20 pages about having evidence about what MC does and doesn't do, when what it really comes down to, as you admit above, is your own personal opinion... Of course you have no concrete evidence, you just started stamping your little feet because MC told you, you were making a fool out of yourself and ISS by posting on the forums and asked you to stop. Given that your opinion is based on a tantrum induced series of conjecture and speculation, with a little hearsay thrown in for good measure, your opinion isn't really based on a reasoned argument. But anyway that's just my own opinion. Edited for clarity and grammar,,, Please read Mr. Der Pfaffe's post. Then read it again. Now try to think about what he wrote. WHY are posts like yours alwayd drowned out, and only the flames, etc focused on? Its amazing how people only take bits and pieces from posts to "formulate" their "facts". Good post sir, good post.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 03:26:00 - [744] Stop asking for a lock you turds ;P I want to see Count reply again http://eve.klaki.net/
Kane Ululani REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.31 03:34:00 - [745] Originally by: Butter Dog I acted honourably, and did nothing wrong, I provided proof of my main statement. Don't forget: I said nothing bad about Count or ISS, until he chose to walk into the thread and attempt to discredit me, for reasons I still don't understand. But you just keep on telling yourself that I've done my reputation any harm if it makes you feel better. Another carebear. You betray your friends, your allies and your honour. pftt.
Calisto Cody Minmatar The Black Swan Society	Posted - 2006.12.31 03:35:00 - [746] jerry jerry jerry Originally by: Sergio Ling Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know. i can't imagine that's true
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 03:39:00 - [747] Originally by: Butter Dog Its called brining it down to their level. Its obviously language they understand. Funny because I've been nothing but cordal with you in this thread, other then pressing you to answer some questions, I've even managed to trim them down to a couple rather the orginal dozen or so things that you either out right lied about or were completly oblvious to what actually occured. So at this point we have you saying you made something up in the first page. Well one has to ask, since MC made you so angry with that eve mail (and to put it into context was from an ex corp mate of his) we have to wonder now that we have angered Butter Dog, what else he is willing make up. If your making up things to support your allies, one must also assume your willing make up things to make your enemys look bad no? So heres anouther direct question, which you'll no doubt take as a personal insult, and then flame me for it... Why should we believe someone who have admitted to lying to save face?
Auri Hella The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 03:53:00 - [748] It's the Thread That Won't Die. I need more popcorn
Grimpak Gallente Twisted Attitude	Posted - 2006.12.31 03:58:00 - [749] Originally by: Auri Hella It's the Thread That Won't Die. I need more popcorn actually no, it's 2006 best candidate for EVE-O forums Best thread and Legendary thread. ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
MadnessWithin Caldari The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:09:00 - [750] BD I feel that you have done ISS a great injustice. ISS would have far less issues over time if you had been able to keep alliance matters in the alliance. I believe you have done ISS and MC a great deal of harm. By bringing to light the specifics of contracts, alliance plans, private communications you have done massive harm. Harm strategically (our enemies may now know past and possibly future plans, they know how strong are relationships are) Harm politically (the community thinks less of ISS when you speak for ISS without authorization - this may be true for this post - however as your not in ISS anymore I will risk it.), Harm financially (your outbursts scare investors) I am obviously speaking from personal opinion and also without permission. I only have only your posts and listening on ts and of course listening to the disgust at your actions on these that my fellow corp members felt. But I feel strongly that you have caused us and our cause harm. There is a word for this kind of damage to a cause. It's called being a traitor. I have added to it I know, but mods and elchief can we get this thread locked. It's not good for anyone.

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