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Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:11:00 - [751] No lock ! ;\| http://eve.klaki.net/
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:11:00 - [752] Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/12/2006 04:17:20 Originally by: Smoking Mirror Nez Perces is a moron. Thats what you really wanted to say isnt it... The rest is smoking mirrors. You can make up as many excuses as you want about Count T's post trying to bury Butter Dog, he had a headache, he had a tooth ache, he was frustrated, angry, PMT etc.. etc... That does not change a basic fact. Butter Dog was causing trouble, Count Tesassine blundered onto the forums trying to discredit him in order to keep MC sweet, but forgot? that he had sent BD a PM containing sensitive information or sensitive opinions. And what that PM contained is sensitive... there is no two ways about it, its not just semantics. You saw Seleene's reaction to that PM. "Oh ho ho!.. very interesting etc.... look forward to Count T's reply" Its sensitive stuff, period. Count Tesassine messed up... in the best case scenario he chose words to make his statment that could be called out on. He could have said any number of things, heck I could have written him a post which would have been air tight. It was a terrible post by Count Tesassine, bearing in mind that he has actually been in contact with Butter Dog throughout this whole ISS <> IAC business and that Butter Dog had PM's with his name on it. I mean what was he thinking?? Calling me a moron does not change things... I'm sorry. [edit:typo]
elchief Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:12:00 - [753] yeah to be honest i think the original intention of this thread has long since been forgotten i think any iss/ mc / butter dog issues need to be brought up in another thread. this was originally just a update on the war type thready thingy IAC bringing you man train since 2004
HeadWar Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:15:00 - [754] Ah well, I've been up to 5 am reading this bloody thread, so I might as well make a reply. (It's gonna be rambly, it's 5 am, and I've just read this thread, which has done bad things to my brain...) The mercenary business in EVE is NOT all about the money. EVE is (for most of us) about having fun, and thus the same goes for mercenary work. It's incredibly hard, no matter what level you are at, to find a mercenary contract that will provide you with a reasonable challenge. If you misjudge your opposition, you will either find yourself running around trying to gank shuttles, or being outblobbed so badly you can't even undock. Neither of those is a lot of fun. It's a fine line between sound business practice, cowardice, common sense, boredom and bravery. It's also very much in the eye of the beholder which one is which. Anyway, BD, you're saying you are doing all this because you got a nasty mail from the MC? Why did you get that nasty mail, if you weren't already saying bad things about them?
Plymer Ization Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:17:00 - [755] Good thread. Fast-paced too, full of excitement, drama, and suspense. Keep it coming, and I too would like to see a Count reply before this gets locked... as it eventually will. I'll keep my opinions of parties in question to myself, as I think they have been repeated by a number of individuals more than enough times. All I can say is that I strongly suspect some kind of 3rd-party interference at some point in the IAC/ISS timeline, be it a month ago or before my time in the Navy. Looking forward to a conclusion, whatever it may be.
Akuma Gouki Amarr Orion Ore International Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:23:00 - [756] I am posting in a legendary thread, and offering no contribution. Much like everyone else! Someone please lock this thing! :P
Shuriath Caldari Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:26:00 - [757] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Khermine Baddenash The ISS is mentally, logistically and technician incapable to mount an offensive war succesful We're in a defensive position. So your entire post and the logic behind it is flawed. Our outpost defence doctrine is very strong, we know how to kill dreads and if anyone deploys them against POS in an outpost system, they will lose them. ISSN is a small-ish corp of 130. Of course it can't hold back an alliance, it was never designed to do so. Mercs are part of ISS's business model - you can't remove them from the equation because if and when they are needed, they WILL be there. They were there to take F4, and they will be there again if required. ISS is never going to run out of money to pay them. And in this game, ISK talks. Taking an outpost is not a defensive move.. regaurdless of who "started" the war, a defensive stance would be purely preventing IAC from taking either zxic or kdf taking f4 was offensive- if you dont believe me try looking up some books on offense and defense, and youll cleary see that. Sorry for quoting from page 4 of 27 O_o iv not read the forums for a week, lots of fun reading these posts tho. P.S. i think the stats posted by butterdog already included kills from MC, LV, Veto, UK, SERA, TYR and any of the other corps/alliances who got involved. so all thats really missing is the payment costs to the merc corps and also, since the fight isnt finnished and IAC havent yet taken back F4, the future ship losses and ISS pos losses. IAC also havnt included AAA, Goon, or SOD kills, so in reality trying at this time to assess the balance of costs between the two sides is futile as it is simply too disorganised with stats missing. Great fights from MC, love when your involved guys, and LV, you really get the heart pumping, and thats what makes pvp good. I look forward to seeing how this turns out, (IAC 4TW) There is a fine line between pleasure and pain
Xander Magnus Caldari Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:35:00 - [758] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/12/2006 04:17:20 Originally by: Smoking Mirror Nez Perces is a moron. Thats what you really wanted to say isnt it... The rest is smoking mirrors. You can make up as many excuses as you want about Count T's post trying to bury Butter Dog, he had a headache, he had a tooth ache, he was frustrated, angry, PMT etc.. etc... That does not change a basic fact. Butter Dog was causing trouble, Count Tesassine blundered onto the forums trying to discredit him in order to keep MC sweet, but forgot? that he had sent BD a PM containing sensitive information or sensitive opinions. And what that PM contained is sensitive... there is no two ways about it, its not just semantics. You saw Seleene's reaction to that PM. "Oh ho ho!.. very interesting etc.... look forward to Count T's reply" Its sensitive stuff, period. Count Tesassine messed up... in the best case scenario he chose words to make his statment that could be called out on. He could have said any number of things, heck I could have written him a post which would have been air tight. It was a terrible post by Count Tesassine, bearing in mind that he has actually been in contact with Butter Dog throughout this whole ISS <> IAC business and that Butter Dog had PM's with his name on it. I mean what was he thinking?? Calling me a moron does not change things... I'm sorry. [edit:typo] You're basing a lot of conclusions on a simple private PM and taking it all out of context to suit your personal agenda it seems... That PM doesn't make Count's post terrible at all. What if he was venting some steam? You're making your own personal opinion sound like there is no other conclusion and you simply state facts. It was a personal message for a reason. BD had no excuse to post that PM, no matter what. That conversatoin was based on trust, and there are no excuses for posting it afterwards. It's like making pictures of your girlfriend and putting them on the internet after she broke up with you.
Marovinchian Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:40:00 - [759] erm.........bump?
Some Character Has an opinion that he would like to tell EVERYONE	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:46:00 - [760] TONIGHT: ONLY ON EVE-O- A DRAMARAMA OF EPIC PROPORTIONS NERD RAGE IN THE CAGE ITS AN ALL OUT BATTLE ROYALE BUTTER DOG VERSUS MC VERSUS ISS WHOEVER WINS, WAIT- NOBODY WINS except Omeega and Evil Thug, who are laughing their asses off right now
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:55:00 - [761] Originally by: Some Character TONIGHT: ONLY ON EVE-O- A DRAMARAMA OF EPIC PROPORTIONS NERD RAGE IN THE CAGE ITS AN ALL OUT BATTLE ROYALE BUTTER DOG VERSUS MC VERSUS ISS WHOEVER WINS, WAIT- NOBODY WINS except Omeega and Evil Thug, who are laughing their asses off right now best alt and altcorp evar
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.31 04:59:00 - [762] Edited by: Nez Perces on 31/12/2006 05:03:11 Originally by: Xander Magnus You're basing a lot of conclusions on a simple private PM and taking it all out of context to suit your personal agenda it seems... K what is my personal agenda? I'd like to hear it. I'll tell you what... I'll help you, I think there is something wrong with the whole McFIX thing... I don't know what it is, and I can't put my finger on it. K happy? Now thats as far as it goes, in respect to a personal agenda. Beyond that I find the thread interesting... and also I believe that there is a kernel of truth to be found in what Butter Dog is saying.. its just a gut instinct. I like the truth. Originally by: Xander Magnus That PM doesn't make Count's post terrible at all. What if he was venting some steam? You're making your own personal opinion sound like there is no other conclusion and you simply state facts. It was a personal message for a reason. BD had no excuse to post that PM, no matter what. That conversatoin was based on trust, and there are no excuses for posting it afterwards. It's like making pictures of your girlfriend and putting them on the internet after she broke up with you. I think with the thread being so long, you missed some crucial stages of what has happened here. Lets go over them for the upteenth time. 1. Butter Dog is up to his usual tricks on the forums, rubbing people up the wrong way, being slightly obnoxious.. not really doing ISS any favours. The usual. 2.Somebody in MC gets annoyed with his postings, to the point where they send him eve-mails.. with a severity of tone sufficient to make Butter Dog feel threatened and annoyed that MC are trying to shut him up. 3.Butter Dog says he will reveal stuff. He also says that Count T doesn't mind him posting 4. MC say "oh yeah what stuff" 5. Butter Dog makes his two big claims, MC were scared of AAA and would not engage for any amount of ISK and that he has a source whom Seleene told about there not being a contract for Operation Prohibition. 6.Count Tesassine arrives on the forums saying he has not spoken to Butter Dog in over 6 months about anything of any consequence and that he will be glad to see the back of him and that he did not approve of his forum whoring on behalf of ISS 7. Butter Dog reveals his source with a PM as proof. His source is Count Tesassine he has a genuine screenshot of a PM with Count Tesassine saying not very nice things about MC. Count Tesassine is also the source for the information about Operation Prohibition. We got drama!!!! Now you're saying that Butter Dog had no excuse to post that PM.... well maybe.. but if he hadn't he would have been jeered out of town. If you look at the chain of events you will realise that until Count Tesassine tried to discredit Butter Dog, BD had not revealed the source. The truth is Count Tesassine forced him into it, with his post. Which is why its such a bad post, it forced Butter Dog to reveal Count Tesassine as the source. Tbh you couldn't make this up, its a great story... its got everything in it. I mean if you look at the chain of events with a clear head. Count Tesassine's behaviour is odd very odd.... his post in retrospect seems like a poor attempt at damage limitation, where he realises that Butter Dog has posession of damaging information and does a botched up job of trying to bury him, in retrospect it even seems an act of desperation. [edit:typo]
Akuma Gouki Amarr Orion Ore International Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:02:00 - [763] Originally by: Some Character TONIGHT: ONLY ON EVE-O- A DRAMARAMA OF EPIC PROPORTIONS NERD RAGE IN THE CAGE ITS AN ALL OUT BATTLE ROYALE BUTTER DOG VERSUS MC VERSUS ISS WHOEVER WINS, WAIT- NOBODY WINS except Omeega and Evil Thug, who are laughing their asses off right now I don't know who you are, but your alt name and corp are hilarious.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:06:00 - [764] Butter Dog causing problems for ISS by posting? No. Can't be. Nobody saw that comming from a mile away. Really. The truth will set you free
Shinjuro The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:14:00 - [765] Soo BD finally revealed his source while I was on a binge..? Good for him. But what does it accomplish? Ohh Looky Count T the mighty leader of ISS doesn't like what MC did. (BTW Lorth, BD isn't the only one that doesn't care for MC, just ask maGz ) So far we have been proven that, A. MC refused to continue the contract past F4 (kudos for that assault btw, was insane). B. Count was ticked that they didn't wish to continue. (I'm not trying to defend MC here, but they turned down a few of my m8's before on contracts b/c of certain unnamed reasons, and did we get ticked and go forum ***? Nope, we kept our composure and then forum ***'d.) P.S. It is late, and I'm prob. too drunk to post, so don't flame my grammer atm.
Wylker The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:22:00 - [766] Um, I just wanted to take part in an epic thread. "Hi mom!" /me waves. Click the sig to understand
Caesium Amarr Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:27:00 - [767] I like pie Caesium Lyrus Associates
Pakmule Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:36:00 - [768] After reading this soap opera can anyone blame us for setting our "friends" to -10?
Pakmule Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:38:00 - [769] Originally by: Caesium I like pie Hey now, you are stealing my famous battlecry from local chat!
Alan Yentob	Posted - 2006.12.31 05:41:00 - [770] Originally by: Jnr Rau Look Ma there is flames coming out of ISS's Hull... its gunna go pop soon. " grabs more popcorn and waits for the fraps on eve-files. " oh balls, he aint wrong. erm.....sod it! FULL SPEED AHEAD! DAMN THE TORPEDOES! /me may or may not be an alt of an involved party
General Meridus ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:00:00 - [771] I would not have thought it possible that one person, Butter Brain, could create such anger. I wonder what things in game would be like if he was never part of ISSN. Definately better. Now bad blood being stirred up about MC. I have flown with MC several times, and have fought in their fleets. They are simply the best. People there is no point arguing or listening to Butter Dog. We are seeing mental illness in action. It would be better to sit with a complete drunk, for a challenging game of chess.
Arrgs Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:00:00 - [772] Posting in this legendary thread. My first video!
Nweilin Ng UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:04:00 - [773] OMG Arrgs, love your sig, can you move it to the left a bit? btw, posting in a legendery thread
FowlPlayChiken Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:12:00 - [774] you TOO can own a special part of the iss/iac conflict! purchase your commemorative memorabilia today! Linkage!!! Now! I believe someone said that attacking f4r was not a defensive maneuever, but offensive. I have taken the time out of my busy (see: drunk) day to offer this bit of tactical advice, in opposition of this statement listen well kiddies! Tactical Dispositions (only the relevant ones. this is chapter IV, The Art of War) 5. Security against defeat implies defensive tactics; ability to defeat the enemy means taking the offensive. 6. Standing on the defensive indicates insufficient strength; attacking, a superabundance of strength. 7. The general who is skilled in defense hides in the most secret recesses of the earth; he who is skilled in attack flashes forth from the topmost heights of heaven. Thus on the one hand we have ability to protect ourselves; on the other, a victory that is complete. That aside, I think we all need to turn over a new leaf for new years and give up forum whoring, judging by the inordinate length of this thread. BAWK! <3 Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
smoogie Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:20:00 - [775] Edited by: smoogie on 31/12/2006 06:26:21 It is becoming increasing clear to be what is going on here. MC and Butter Dog are being played, mere puppets in a grand scheme to scam 500 billion isk from the people of Eve. I am, of course, talking about the ISS IPO. /tinfoil Count TaSessine is really a GH-SC/IAC operative and has been all along. It always bothered me the reasons IAC set ISS -10. What could possible be gained from such a move? It all makes sense if you consider the count as a GH-SC operative. Some may know the count personally in RL, but with a few hundred billion isk, who can you really trust? You see, I suspect LV and MC's involvement in this conflict was always expected by IAC. What was probably NOT expected by IAC/GHSC was the MC starbase in F4R2 as the staging point for MC capitals, and more importantly, LV's Titan. It is well known by almost all parties here that ISS is heavily infiltrated. I suspect that if MC/LV had used an ISS POS to base their capital ship fleet instead of their own starbase, you would have a dead titan, several dead motherships and dozens of dead dreadnoughts/carriers. This would of course lead to the collapse of ISS, and the Count free to "disappear" with the 500 billion ISK. Now, what does this have to do with Butter Dog? Butter Dog is a fool is now being played by the Count to alienate MC from ISS. When IAC makes it move on ISS stations, I suspect LV and even possibly BoB may turn up with their capitals and they will have to now base out of an ISS POS. I shall leave you with that thought.... /end tinfoil The IAC/GH-SC evil must be stopped!
Sobach Gallente Fourth Circle	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:20:00 - [776] /me gets his place in a legendary thread
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:32:00 - [777] Originally by: smoogie Edited by: smoogie on 31/12/2006 06:26:21 Now, ** ? Butter Dog is a fool * * ** * * to alienate MC . * IAC * * ** * ** LV and even *** BoB * ** * ** * **** will have to now base out of a ISS POS. * ** * *. * ***** evil must be stopped! Fixed. Or, rather, redacted. Now Tinfoil-Hat Conspiracy Censor-Approved.
N Solarz Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:32:00 - [778] Check out my new sig. i think its fitting _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Jim Lovell Gallente Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:38:00 - [779] HAHA! nice one Nsolarz, let me just ammend my sig... /me waves
Daggiz Minmatar Cronus Hunters Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:39:00 - [780] Edited by: Daggiz on 31/12/2006 06:41:05 Edited by: Daggiz on 31/12/2006 06:40:03 as someone looking on from the outside...this is certainly better than any soap opera on the television these days. with no meaningful interest in this conflict, other than great reading on the forums while at work, this certainly gets my vote as the best I've read this year! Should rename the thread "All My MC/ISS" or "As ISS/MC/Butterdog Turns".

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