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Matrix Aran Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:40:00 - [781] Originally by: N Solarz Check out my new sig. i think its fitting Needs to have some of the words on the document blacked out, you know all the conspiracy stuff and all ---- Originally by: Oveur on rigs Sure, np, it's only like ... the 6th time I say this here
Duke Grail Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:45:00 - [782] I want a T-shirt that says "i read all the way through elchief's thread, and all i got was this stupid shirt" BTW... how is the war going, i've spent 5 hours reading all of this and i forgot to log in... hmm, maybe that was the plan =) "If there were more people like us... there'ed be more people like us"
Jim Lovell Gallente Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:12:00 - [783] Quote: I want a T-shirt that says "i read all the way through elchief's thread, and all i got was this stupid shirt" BTW... how is the war going, i've spent 5 hours reading all of this and i forgot to log in... hmm, maybe that was the plan =) "If there were more people like us... there'ed be more people like us" LOL!
Calisto Cody Minmatar The Black Swan Society	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:44:00 - [784] everyone be very very quiet, i think butter dog is sleeping... Originally by: Sergio Ling Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know. i can't imagine that's true
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 07:50:00 - [785] This is player driven MMORPG content at its very best. Who shot JR? I think I missed an episode on p22. Its great being Amarr, and having 27 charisma, isn't it?
Caesium Amarr Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 08:00:00 - [786] icey hot stuntaz 4tw And I like pie, has been my death cry since about '93 when I used to mud on allanthya Regardless, I don't see any wrong doing by count here, and butter has really never struck me as someone significantly talented or particularly bright, this thread however has certainly been an amusing read. Caesium Lyrus Associates
Toranya Faidutti Gallente White Nova Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.31 08:04:00 - [787] Wow, gotta love how fast these threads explode when doo-doo hits the fan. I didn't keep track of the dates but one day towards the beginning of the war I was sitting out in front of the station at ZXIC and there was everyone's favorite forum warrior asking for a quick pod back to empire. Being there with guns and drones, I complied. I actually had a good laugh about it with my corpmates because BD actually was ****ing that I wasn't killing him fast enough. (Rails don't work so well at 100m...) I can provide the killmail if anyone requires proof... but I am not sure why something so silly was even slightly contested. The only thing not factually accurate in BD's post about being podded back to empire is that I am a she* not a he. However, I do understand the tendency in this game to default everyone's gender to male so I think this can be considered an excusable error as the request was made in local and not on TS where my gender would have been obvious. Of course, this might not have even been the same occasion if there were multiple times during the war that he requested a VERY fast podding back to empire. As to all the other accusations being slung around, I have no knowledge so I have no comment.
Almega Caldari The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 08:12:00 - [788] Originally by: Duke Grail ...spent 5 hours reading all of this and i forgot to log in... /Signed! I'll take a shirt and a place in this legendary thread.
Comstr Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 09:14:00 - [789] I hope this thread is not locked before the Count posts his reply, or before the war ends, witchever comes first.
Trina Tron Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 09:45:00 - [790] Posting in legondary thread. But what this thread needs is more emoticons hope this helps ----------------------------------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Locked Begging is not allowed or appreciated on the forums. Whining remains perfectly acceptable.
Butter Dog Gallente The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.31 10:33:00 - [791] I just have one to thing to say to you all... HAPPY NEW YEAR \o/ The best bit of this thread are long gone, its in its dying days, so lets all drink and be merry as 2006 moves into 2007 \o/
Calisto Cody Minmatar The Black Swan Society	Posted - 2006.12.31 10:56:00 - [792] finally the man makes sense Linkage Originally by: Sergio Ling Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know. i can't imagine that's true
Azzaa Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:05:00 - [793] Edited by: Azzaa on 31/12/2006 11:07:55 At this point i would just like to ask MC how much to hire you to kill ISS since you do kill for money and you dont have a current contract. (not that i have heard) My little message to butter dog
Uuve Savisaalo Umbra Congregatio	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:14:00 - [794] Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 31/12/2006 11:14:10 pizdets.
Butter Dog Gallente The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:17:00 - [795] Edited by: Butter Dog on 31/12/2006 11:17:41 I'll leave you with a quick thread recap to flame about while I'm out partying for a few days, bascially my main claims and what the result is; * MC refused to engage AAA in offensive operations, full stop Result: Fact. They refused to engage in that one fight, thats true. They also called off all offensive operations with AAA in the picture, even when most of AAA logged in and left the next day. This led directly to.... * MC did not complete the full contract with ISS Result: Fact. With AAA in the picture, taking the other outposts, even with overwhelming numbers in our favour and the choice of two different systems to siege (AAA can only log out in one of them), they walked away. * ISS was dissapointed with MC's performance in relation to the overall contract Result: Fact, as proven by the PM from count expressing his dissapointment in them. No matter how MC spin it, they failed to complete all objectives (for whatever reason), and their employer was left high and dry with only one outpost out of three, and a resurgent IAC to deal with. * MC refuse difficult contracts, or walk away from tough fights Result: Fact. The best source of this was not just the AAA example, or the total cakewalk in F4 in which MC deployed 20% of the numbers but claimed 100% of the credit, but their own ex-leader stating they DID used to accept easy contracts, and shy away from real challenges. * There was no employer for the first Prohibition contract Result: Stalemate. I have given my source, and provided my evidence. The onus is now on MC to provide proof, which they refuse to do. However, an ex-MC leader has stated that he would not put this past them. And that sums it up pretty well I think. And don't forget, I only revealed my source for a couple of those points because he decided to come on this thread and lie about me. That blew up in his face pretty good. Oh... but according to MC, I'm the one who is discredited HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:17:00 - [796] Dammit! we want to hear from Count!.... ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
xh'duality Caldari Caldari Luftwaffe Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:22:00 - [797] Edited by: xh''duality on 31/12/2006 11:23:12 OI I am realy loving this threat. OMFG it must be the best every Not only going way off topic but the lengh of it going on. OMFG keep it up. Elchief has created a monster, Just had to refuel me pop corn and tough I let something out so DHB Foofighter can finaly pod me for still posting on here. And while we are already off topic HAPPY NEW YEAR to all PS.: this is just a nother spam mail from me to encurage all ya guys to start posting more junk so we can move on and add some more chapter's on this thread. We have to hit atleast 100 pages to win this one. --------------------------------------------------- It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN [The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON"]
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:25:00 - [798] As a observer of this thread i think all the points have been made and its going round in circles, ISS command are now proven to be liars in my opinion which makes me believe all the statements they have made in the past have been untruthful MC- all thats happened here is that they have not come out of this smelling of Roses ive never fully trusted what ISS have to say but the proven lie has added more credibility to IAC's past statements If i had shares in ISS i would be selling them right now for what ever i can get. these are just the thoughts of a observer after reading through all the posts.
Goodtime Girl Amarr Anger Management	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:27:00 - [799] Quote: As a observer of this thread i think all the points have been made and its going round in circles, ISS command are now proven to be liars in my opinion which makes me believe all the statements they have made in the past have been untruthful MC- all thats happened here is that they have not come out of this smelling of Roses ive never fully trusted what ISS have to say but the proven lie has added more credibility to IAC's past statements If i had shares in ISS i would be selling them right now for what ever i can get. these are just the thoughts of a observer after reading through all the posts. Not a very neutral one .........
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:30:00 - [800] Edited by: maGz on 31/12/2006 11:30:22 Originally by: Goodtime Girl Quote: As a observer of this thread i think all the points have been made and its going round in circles, ISS command are now proven to be liars in my opinion which makes me believe all the statements they have made in the past have been untruthful MC- all thats happened here is that they have not come out of this smelling of Roses ive never fully trusted what ISS have to say but the proven lie has added more credibility to IAC's past statements If i had shares in ISS i would be selling them right now for what ever i can get. these are just the thoughts of a observer after reading through all the posts. Not a very neutral one ......... He didn't claim to be neutral did he? Now Count make that post so I/we can ridicule you and your feeble attempt at damage control... ____________
Goodtime Girl Amarr Anger Management	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:36:00 - [801] Quote: Now Count make that post so I/we can ridicule you and your feeble attempt at damage control... Typicial IAC and Priory .... can't win in space so they have to forum troll ... Hows F4
Ar3s	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:37:00 - [802] So lets get this right ....... You attack the ISS then You lose an Outpost and You won ...... LMAO
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:48:00 - [803] Originally by: Goodtime Girl Typicial IAC and Priory .... can't win in space so they have to forum troll ... Hows F4 Yeah, cos IAC + SoD had any sort of chance defending against the capital ****blob of like... 4 med / large alliances and a couple of other corps. Looks a bit more fair now that the rest of the bandwagoneers have gone home As for not winning in space, everyone wins some, and loses some. 90% of the time we fight inferior numbers and strength and we STILL engage. Oh by the way, I dont ever remember seeing you in space so maybe you should post with your PVP character, or maybe you should come visit us somewhen to prove your expertise. Happy new year
Draec Sjet Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:58:00 - [804] Edited by: Draec Sjet on 31/12/2006 11:59:23 the audacity of ISS members is suprising considering now their 'friends' who i'm guessing cost a lot to help you out, have left. now you will feel the full force of IAC, now you will see what we can do when you back us into a corner with far more ships than we have. you can shoot out POSes, jeer about (for now) taking our outpost, but our fighting spirit will crush you ;) 2 additional things, one, great success against IAC when it's Christmas and not many people are on, very well done on that one, how did you do it? Secondly, there are more capitals in this post than ISS have left in their fleet :P
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:06:00 - [805] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 31/12/2006 11:17:41 I'll leave you with a quick thread recap to flame about while I'm out partying for a few days, bascially my main claims and what the result is; Your claims. Is exactly that. The problem is you see them as the full truth and expect everyone else to follow suite. No, thats not the way it works. Originally by: Butter Dog * MC refused to engage AAA in offensive operations, full stop Result: Fact. They refused to engage in that one fight, thats true. They also called off all offensive operations with AAA in the picture, even when most of AAA logged in and left the next day. This led directly to.... So you admit being wrong earlier in this thread? Where you said that the underlined wasnt the case? Where is the PM discussion for continued operations? I only see a PM that talks about one night. And as both me and EvilThug of RAT. has posted MC has already fought aAa once!!! (Sorry ET, it was late when I wrote that last post and missed saying aAa instead of RAT. ) Originally by: Butter Dog * MC did not complete the full contract with ISS Result: Fact. With AAA in the picture, taking the other outposts, even with overwhelming numbers in our favour and the choice of two different systems to siege (AAA can only log out in one of them), they walked away. I haven seen any proof that this was the original goal. And tbh I have only heard of F4 as the goal all along. And since I've heard that it must be true following your logic yes? And as explained, you dont posses the knowledge to know what it takes to go up against aAa. Its actually that simple, coz if you did you wouldnt speak like this about it. There are things you also must understand about the merc profession. Originally by: Butter Dog * ISS was dissapointed with MC's performance in relation to the overall contract Result: Fact, as proven by the PM from count expressing his dissapointment in them. No matter how MC spin it, they failed to complete all objectives (for whatever reason), and their employer was left high and dry with only one outpost out of three, and a resurgent IAC to deal with. Not at all fact! That PM stated he was dissapointed with last nights offer to attack. Not proving by a long shot that CT didnt like the rest of the OP. And if so why is he not saying this to LV as well? They helped out a lot too as countless posts has said. But then again, who knows CT might be dissapointed all the way and then I belive he might have missunderstood what merc's do as well. Originally by: Butter Dog * MC refuse difficult contracts, or walk away from tough fights Result: Fact. The best source of this was not just the AAA example, or the total cakewalk in F4 in which MC deployed 20% of the numbers but claimed 100% of the credit, but their own ex-leader stating they DID used to accept easy contracts, and shy away from real challenges. This is all based on your opinion. That can never be fact. Period. And by saying this you are also calling all targets MC has ever had soft and weak. I'm pretty sure none of them would agree to that. And again, why dont YOU go out there and PROVE how its done! SHOW US YOUR BALLS! Originally by: Butter Dog * There was no employer for the first Prohibition contract Result: Stalemate. I have given my source, and provided my evidence. The onus is now on MC to provide proof, which they refuse to do. However, an ex-MC leader has stated that he would not put this past them. You have presented a source. Not proof. Fact. Its not a stalemate, its nothing. And yeah, Happy New Yarr to you too! /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
jernej Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:08:00 - [806] I have only one thing to say: Nez & BD = Dumb & Dumber
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:11:00 - [807] Originally by: Butter Dog * MC refused to engage AAA in offensive operations, full stop Result: Fact. They refused to engage in that one fight, thats true. They also called off all offensive operations with AAA in the picture, even when most of AAA logged in and left the next day. This led directly to.... Yup MC and LV would not jump into JBY that night and no one disputes that. Now to back up your claim that MC will never engage AAA you show a PM which has count venting in reply to you saying in past tense that no amount of money would have got Sel to jump in. Well that isn't quite true, if ISS offered ten trillion ISK then am sure every cap ship MC owns would jump in and we'd have fun seeing how many AAA cap ships we got. If you doubt the previous statement then I would be very surprised because everyone in MC is not afraid to loose one cap ship in exchange for ISK that are orders of magnitude above it's value. So was that a figure of speech or the literal truth, my guess is it is a figure of speech. Originally by: Butter Dog * MC did not complete the full contract with ISS Result: Fact. With AAA in the picture, taking the other outposts, even with overwhelming numbers in our favour and the choice of two different systems to siege (AAA can only log out in one of them), they walked away. If there was one all encompassing contract to take all outposts for x amount then why was payment split up? You claim that Serenity Steel was going to send the 2nd lot of ISK, why is that? Could the contract have been take F4R, get paid, take next outpost etc? Would that fit the model of an engagement by ISS with ongoing objectives and payment rather than an all encompassing contract of xyz? As has been stated above Mercenaries fight for profit, expenses generally are ammo, fuel and especially replacement ships and modules for items lost in combat. In order to make a profit your expenses must nt be more than you are paid. In order to work out a price you have to estimate your losses. With AAA in the picture then estimated losses will be higher than just IAC and so the price of engagement goes up, especially as cap ships will probably be lost. With the Leader of ISS stating that ISS does not want to engage AAA how far do you think those negotiations went? Originally by: Butter Dog * ISS was dissapointed with MC's performance in relation to the overall contract Result: Fact, as proven by the PM from count expressing his dissapointment in them. No matter how MC spin it, they failed to complete all objectives (for whatever reason), and their employer was left high and dry with only one outpost out of three, and a resurgent IAC to deal with. Yes Count vented to you in a reply that he was frustrated that MC & LV didn't jump in that night, yet on here he is not expressing disappointment. Originally by: Butter Dog * MC refuse difficult contracts, or walk away from tough fights Result: Fact. The best source of this was not just the AAA example, or the total cakewalk in F4 in which MC deployed 20% of the numbers but claimed 100% of the credit, but their own ex-leader stating they DID used to accept easy contracts, and shy away from real challenges. MC did not expect LV to be in F4R and fully expected the fight to be like the last engagement, how is that taking a cakewalk? As for us claiming undue credit, where are the posts of outrage from LV, FIX and UK leaders? Originally by: Butter Dog * There was no employer for the first Prohibition contract Result: Stalemate. I have given my source, and provided my evidence. The onus is now on MC to provide proof, which they refuse to do. However, an ex-MC leader has stated that he would not put this past them. You said you spoke to count on vent and he told you this and to back this up you show a PM where Count is miffed that his allies didn't want to engage AAA one night. Not really a smoking gun is it.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:24:00 - [808] Originally by: Nez Perces Butter Dog was causing trouble, Count Tesassine blundered onto the forums trying to discredit him in order to keep MC sweet, but forgot? that he had sent BD a PM containing sensitive information or sensitive opinions. And what that PM contained is sensitive... there is no two ways about it, its not just semantics. You saw Seleene's reaction to that PM. "Oh ho ho!.. very interesting etc.... look forward to Count T's reply" Its sensitive stuff, period. Count Tesassine messed up... in the best case scenario he chose words to make his statment that could be called out on. He could have said any number of things, heck I could have written him a post which would have been air tight. It was a terrible post by Count Tesassine, bearing in mind that he has actually been in contact with Butter Dog throughout this whole ISS <> IAC business and that Butter Dog had PM's with his name on it. I mean what was he thinking?? I think you have hit the nail on the head it was a sensitive opinion. However where are all the other PM's detailing the plans and contract details between MC and ISS? Where are the cries of outrage by Count that MC have failed in their contract? If Count has been sharing sensitive info all along with BD surely there must me something more damming than one private email showing frustration in one battle don't you think? As for being kicked, well iirc a ISSN guy above stated BD recalled his roles before he got to him, so did BD smell the wind and get their first, looks like it doesn't it. I mean BD has been fighting for ISS all this time and in their hour of need resigns and because one ex ISS person in MC sends one email asking him to shut up? That is what it took to abandon his colleagues? I mean if BD has mountains of proof then surely there should be something more than a PM expressing an opinion about one battle don't you think?
PMolkenthin Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:26:00 - [809] Just to summarise this thread (and the IAC/ISS contract) from my own perspective: Fact: Everyone had lots of pvp. IAC shot stuff, ISS shot stuff, LV, Veto, and FIX all shot stuff, and of course we shot stuff. Summary: A good time was had by all Fact: The forum warriors had the chance to spend their evenings making posts while everyone else was having a good time (see above) Summary: A good time was had by the forum warriors. Fact: People made a lot of negative comments about IAC, ISS, MC and pretty much most parties involved, in this thread. Summary: Theres a lot of negativity in EVE atm, despite the two above points, and the time of year!
HeadWar Minmatar North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:37:00 - [810] Originally by: Butter Dog * MC did not complete the full contract with ISS Result: Fact. With AAA in the picture, taking the other outposts, even with overwhelming numbers in our favour and the choice of two different systems to siege (AAA can only log out in one of them), they walked away. Ahhh, the master tactician has spoken. "AAA can only log out in one of them." Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner of this thread. "AAA can only log out in one of them." I mean, with an analysis of the situation like that, it's clear that the MC are cowards. After all, AAA can only log out in one system, and thus they don't pose any kind of threat in an operation to take two outposts. You hear that AAA? You suck! You can only log out in one system! Hah!

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