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Dalcx	Posted - 2006.12.30 10:11:00 - [91] What are you guys talking about.. There is a Story in Eve but its not a fixed one by CCP but by the players themself and that makes it the BEST story around!. I mean I have played this game for 2 months now and when I read all topics about the alliance wars that are going on, the titan blowing up, corp theifs ect ect.. Its for me just like watching a damn good movie lol. Its Dynamic and always changing its 1000 times better then any other story out there and it will never get booring because you never know what will happen and when. And why do you thing a 40 man, 8h and 7 days a week raiding in wow makes it so much more fun and better then lets say EvE's Pve.. ITS BOORING!!. Its the only damn thing you can do at L60 you are completly forced to go that way or just hit Cancle button. Now I am still having a hard time to define Pve in EvE as it seems there is none, only running missions/complexes.. but then again there you can get jumped by a pirate as it seems everything in EVE involves around PvP. But then again I have never PvP'd I only do Missions, Trade and manufacture stuff and I could prolly go on for 1 year without doing any pvp at all. So where do I fit in here? I am trading with other players and not NPC so what would go under PvP to.. Ok this is so confusing But anyway I like to difine it like I want to and as I see it. All things I do outside of PvP for me is Pve and as I never Pve this game has dam good Pve Or wait but when I think about it there is no pve at all in EvE
Dalcx	Posted - 2006.12.30 10:14:00 - [92] But there could be another resons why no WoW'ers vote Just look at my guild we had 80 members 2 months ago.. Now its down to 24, almost all quit the game or just went afk. THe pre patch for TBC really fcked upp everything and tbc will do it even more so most got boored and quit and guees what.. Last 3 weeks I got 10 people from my old guild to play eve
zeroh Caldari V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.30 11:32:00 - [93] Edited by: zeroh on 30/12/2006 11:38:55 Graphics : Eve has the best graphics ive seen in any MMORPG if you dont think so thats turn off lod and turn up the extra options ^_^ in your pref.ini file and it looks like sex pwnsz wow PVE : Eve has it so so not the best Pve but because of the PVP and trading involved etc Its fun unlike wow YaY lets go kill that Feckin ogre 600 times for xp PVP : Best PVP hands down who else can compete huh? WOW? Story : Theres a story in eve? Errr must be player stories how So and so pwned so and so lol Best game : Oh ya for sure thats why i still play it Now we just gotta spread the word of eve so south Park makes a episode on us ^_^
Iva Soreass Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.30 12:38:00 - [94] Congrats \o/ ----------------------------------------------- "Your momma is so fat, BoB thought she was a region and took her!"
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.30 13:05:00 - [95] Edited by: Aramendel on 30/12/2006 13:05:16 Originally by: Dark Shikari What is this "game you're talking about"? He is probably referring to "ryzom", which actually has a very nice unique story and lately got the ring update, which heavily involves players making storylines. Quote: how can anyone be satisfied to roleplay someone else's story, I have no idea. Actually thats IMO the very definition of roleplaying. You are playing a role, not playing yourself. 99% of the "roleplay" in eve is someone playing himself in the eve universe - but playing yourself is not roleplaying.
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.30 14:20:00 - [96] Edited by: Xenofur on 30/12/2006 14:32:57 Originally by: Aramendel Edited by: Aramendel on 30/12/2006 13:05:16 Originally by: Dark Shikari What is this "game you're talking about"? He is probably referring to "ryzom", which actually has a very nice unique story and lately got the ring update, which heavily involves players making storylines. Quote: how can anyone be satisfied to roleplay someone else's story, I have no idea. Actually thats IMO the very definition of roleplaying. You are playing a role, not playing yourself. 99% of the "roleplay" in eve is someone playing himself in the eve universe - but playing yourself is not roleplaying. Thanks, you are completely right on both points. DS, i am talking about Ryzom. You on the other hand seem to have no grip whatsoever on the concept of roleplaying. Let me explain: To roleplay is to act out a role with your character. Usually that involves having your character act as if he would actually live and breathe in the world that he is in. That means having unique beliefs and views based SOLELY and exclusively on the content and context of this world. Then there is another way to play, named metagaming. Metagaming means to use the character as a mere chess piece to influence the world in order to reach maximum efficiency towards achieving goals that are only of importance to the player outside of the game, but of no relevance to the personality and environment of the character inside the game. Lastly, which is even more important: The metagamer draws the influences on his ingame actions solely from knowledge and reactions of himself and almost never from the game environment itself. Simple example of this are people looking at rats only as a source of income and never as actual inhabitants of the world or people who harbour aggression towards RA only because they're russian gamers. The big difference is: In eve the players play the game mechanics and coincidentally a story begins to exist through their action. The story that was given from the game developers is totally irrelevant and could be completely stripped from the game, and there would be no difference. In ryzom the players play the actual story ingame. Most of these gamers are rather friendly people, who would probably spend 99% of their time in eve (if they'd play it) carebearing 1.0. Their characters however live in a world where their deities are at the brink of war and demand preparation and power from their disciples. They live in a world where other races are always looking to expand, either because they feel they're superior, or because their nature is to wage war, and force each other to defend and attack to retake their territories. Map that to eve and it would be akin to players being actual parts of the empire, flying for the gallente navy or minmatar pilots doing guerilla attacks on amarr haulers. But such content, actual consequence of the story of the game towards the actions of the players is totally absent from eve. Edit: I forgot. You asked why BoB play Eve. The answer is, because their players like to shoot ****. Their actions are in no way influenced by the world around them and the input their characters are subject to, they are solely dictated by the will of their players to fight.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2006.12.30 14:44:00 - [97] Originally by: Xorus Congrats to CCP and EVE in all the awards it won, poor WoW ^^ All it won was a rigged poll though in truth... a couple of the awards that eve did win, the pve and the storyline... frankly i think would have made even the devs rather embarrassed. The storyline has been ignored in large part over the last year... after the galente president episode.. a dev even as admitted as much "this will never happen again" were the words.... as for the pve, dont even go there.... for the last 3 years.... just about everybody admits we are the poor relation in comparision to just about everything else out there... We rig an award to win it... suddenly those very same people are attempting to justify it.... it's bizarre Tbh though when talking about warcraft in relation to eve... With 7 million subs (most of which are individual paying customers) unlike eve's 150k users... half of which are inactive and multiple account users anyway. I think wow wins by default in terms of success. Eve will never compete with wow... no matter how many polls we rig to please ourselfs. Hell warcraft has had primetime tv adds rolling on every major network here in the uk for the last couple of months leading up to christmas, not to mention boxes on shelfs... i walked in to pc world the other night to pick up a new screen... walking past the games shelf.. there were game guides, timecard boxes, everything. All of that in truth means more than any readers poll mostly voted on for and against by obsessed users... who obviously allready pay to play their respective games anyway... ______
Doomed Predator The Phoenix Rising Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.30 14:51:00 - [98] LOL,every category EVE is it it's winning(in PVE WOW is close but whatever).Looks like we'll be getting a few new whiners. --------------------------------------------- The first mod to edit my sig gets a keg of beer(2 pink kegs if its done by a female) I don't like beer - Serathu Sera often mods in a dress, does that mean I can have his 2 kegs? - Cortes
Wrayeth Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.30 14:53:00 - [99] Edited by: Wrayeth on 30/12/2006 14:55:26 Originally by: Xenofur /me wonders how a game that has no ingame story to speak of can even remotely be considered for an award in that category. Um...you are aware there are major player-driven stories happening all the time, right? Ever hear of the Great Northern War? (If not, and you've spent more than a month playing, well... [insert appropriate insult here]) What about BoB vs. ASCN? The Guiding Hand Social Club? The EIB Scam? Redswarm vs. the Coalition? ISS vs. IAC? My own humble (cough) alliance and the Black Rabbits vs. Kimotoro Directive & Friends? That list of some of the more well-known current and past conflicts and events is just the tip of the iceberg. Quite aside from the insane amount of official EVE background material (check out the "Backstory" button on the left), the player-driven content alone gives EVE the most in-depth story of any game, bar none. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" Might As well Train Another Race
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.30 15:19:00 - [100] Originally by: Kornoo Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Nonetheless I have 45mil skillpoints, slowly accumulated over time, compared to WoW you need to grind to level up. It means that Eve is more easy than Warcraft, nothing else. You can learn everything in Eve without any efforts. Isn't it boring? Just becouse we dont have to grind like brainless zombies 8 hour a day to get to that last level like you have to in WoW doesnt make EVE easy. The hard parts in EVE are the fun parts, depending on what you like to do.
Logan Feynman Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.30 15:21:00 - [101] Originally by: Xenofur I forgot. You asked why BoB play Eve. The answer is, because their players like to shoot **. Their actions are in no way influenced by the world around them and the input their characters are subject to, they are solely dictated by the will of their players to fight. Why are you lying? This does not help your credibility. An honest answer from you would read: "I have no idea why BoB play Eve. I cannot speak for 1000+ people I have never met or talked to. However, fully ignorant in this, I insist that I know and will fabricate a reason to support my position." BoB plays for the epic story and the drama. There is a story constantly developing around you, the diplomacy, the espionage, the betrayals, heroic last stands. Actions, history, actually matter** in eve. I cannot say how many players are actually looking at the player-made storyline, but believe me, it is there, and some of us are playing only because it's there. Here, take a look at this: Eve-Tribune Thank you. Thank you very much.
Tan Mau Caldari Jade Phoenix Deutschland	Posted - 2006.12.30 16:15:00 - [102] Edited by: Tan Mau on 30/12/2006 16:15:45 EvE has a Story? shrug why i never saw any of this "Story" ingame (apart from the Trailer)? Ok i guess the poll got screwed by hardcore fanboys.
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.30 17:43:00 - [103] Edited by: Xenofur on 30/12/2006 17:43:54 Logan: Are BoB's acton influencing any of the four empires? Are they influencing any of the pirate factions? Are their actions in turn influenced by any of the four empires or by any of the pirate factions? If you cannot answer yes to any of these questions then you fail at understanding what roleplay and story in the context of an mmorpg mean. As i said above, the whole backstory of eve could never have existed and BoB would still play exactly the same. You can have all the player-made story you want, but if it does not interface with the backstory then BOTH have failed in the scope of an mmoRPg.
Roy Batty68	Posted - 2006.12.30 17:52:00 - [104] Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 30/12/2006 17:43:54 Logan: Are BoB's acton influencing any of the four empires? Are they influencing any of the pirate factions? Are their actions in turn influenced by any of the four empires or by any of the pirate factions? If you cannot answer yes to any of these questions then you fail at understanding what roleplay and story in the context of an mmorpg mean. As i said above, the whole backstory of eve could never have existed and BoB would still play exactly the same. You can have all the player-made story you want, but if it does not interface with the backstory then BOTH have failed in the scope of an mmoRPg. Maybe I'm just out of it, but what MMORPG does that? Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.30 17:57:00 - [105] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 30/12/2006 17:43:54 Logan: Are BoB's acton influencing any of the four empires? Are they influencing any of the pirate factions? Are their actions in turn influenced by any of the four empires or by any of the pirate factions? If you cannot answer yes to any of these questions then you fail at understanding what roleplay and story in the context of an mmorpg mean. As i said above, the whole backstory of eve could never have existed and BoB would still play exactly the same. You can have all the player-made story you want, but if it does not interface with the backstory then BOTH have failed in the scope of an mmoRPg. Maybe I'm just out of it, but what MMORPG does that? JumpGate and Seed did, Ryzom does. EVE currently has as much story to it as a party of chess, or some CS in case chess isn't known. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20

BH Runner ISD BH Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.30 18:14:00 - [106] Well the original amarrian championships influenced the name of the Emperor and the subsequent news events that passed afterwards, right up until Doriam's assassination. Its certainly my hope that the introduction of factional warfare as part of the second part of the Revelations deployment will bring this storyline influence back to the players. With empires being allied or against the ingame alliances, and the progression of such. Here's to a bright future. [Bug Report Here] - [Contact Us]

Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.30 18:34:00 - [107] Originally by: BH Runner Its certainly my hope that the introduction of factional warfare as part of the second part of the Revelations deployment will bring this storyline influence back to the players. With empires being allied or against the ingame alliances, and the progression of such. Here's to a bright future. Now you're talking red meat. :D (I still think that until i do see these things ingame and happening and working any kind of award or even recognition of story in eve is largely undeserved. :/)
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.30 19:33:00 - [108] Originally by: BH Runner Well the original amarrian championships influenced the name of the Emperor and the subsequent news events that passed afterwards, right up until Doriam's assassination. Its certainly my hope that the introduction of factional warfare as part of the second part of the Revelations deployment will bring this storyline influence back to the players. With empires being allied or against the ingame alliances, and the progression of such. Here's to a bright future. Please bring more promises. One NPC corp per faction is going to be at war with ine npc corp of another empire. No infrastructure to build for your corp. You have to leave your old corp behind if you want to be part of it. All that's holy, factional warfare is going to be fantastic. Or falls so short of the mark it is quite funny. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Amelia Nhahith	Posted - 2006.12.30 20:02:00 - [109] Originally by: Tachy Please bring more promises. One NPC corp per faction is going to be at war with ine npc corp of another empire. No infrastructure to build for your corp. You have to leave your old corp behind if you want to be part of it. All that's holy, factional warfare is going to be fantastic. Or falls so short of the mark it is quite funny. Once again you seem to have more information on a new feature than the rest of the us. Whats your source? Or is it the same one as last time we had this conversation? (ie, what you speak out of, and I dont mean your mouth)
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.30 20:07:00 - [110] It will most likely also have a similar problem as WoW has - numerical imbalances. If one side has twice as many players as the other things won't be much fun for the smaller side. Which will cause more people of the smaller side stopping with the faction warfare, increasing the imbalance even more. Numbers do not necessarily mean a side will win, but aside from that all other factors will be pretty much the same for each faction.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.30 20:10:00 - [111] Originally by: Xenofur Are BoB's acton influencing any of the four empires? Are they influencing any of the pirate factions? I seem to recall something about a Gallente Titan making it through to Serp prime because of a corp that was in bob... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Emsee	Posted - 2006.12.30 20:20:00 - [112] How did EVE win best PvE ?
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.30 20:33:00 - [113] Originally by: Amelia Nhahith Originally by: Tachy Please bring more promises. One NPC corp per faction is going to be at war with ine npc corp of another empire. No infrastructure to build for your corp. You have to leave your old corp behind if you want to be part of it. All that's holy, factional warfare is going to be fantastic. Or falls so short of the mark it is quite funny. Once again you seem to have more information on a new feature than the rest of the us. Whats your source? Or is it the same one as last time we had this conversation? (ie, what you speak out of, and I dont mean your mouth) There's a DevBlog about Factional Warfare from a couple of weeks ago, with a link to the discussion thread. Gamespy article - Path to Kali Okay, seems not to be from a DevBlog, but it was linked from the forum and discussed for a while. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.30 20:35:00 - [114] Originally by: Emsee How did EVE win best PvE ? Because it was pitted against WoW. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
MrBreaker Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.30 20:46:00 - [115] As far as best story goes, I can definitely see that Eve is a winner. The idea of the Eve gate, the history of the four/five Eve races, the delivery of player actons through news reports, all counts as story. I'm bored of Tolkien regurgitated in a billion fantasy games over and over. Even little things like the legacy of Quafe are background story that make Eve's universe more immersive. Not so convinced about PvE though. I would personally love to see some more WoW type PvE in Eve, npc areas that definitely cannot be soloed, require multiple players in different roles, etc.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.30 20:50:00 - [116] Originally by: MrBreaker npc areas that definitely cannot be soloed There are plenty of these... just head off to 0.0 and try the 10/10s . Or try that exploration complex the guy found the other day that instakilled nearly his entire gang. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.30 20:56:00 - [117] Originally by: MrBreaker As far as best story goes, I can definitely see that Eve is a winner. The idea of the Eve gate, the history of the four/five Eve races, the delivery of player actons through news reports, all counts as story. I'm bored of Tolkien regurgitated in a billion fantasy games over and over. Even little things like the legacy of Quafe are background story that make Eve's universe more immersive. Not so convinced about PvE though. I would personally love to see some more WoW type PvE in Eve, npc areas that definitely cannot be soloed, require multiple players in different roles, etc. That's history. Most of the stuff is more than 4 years old. Nothing has changed despite the fantastic announcements of a living background that will be developped together with the players. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.30 21:02:00 - [118] Originally by: Dark Shikari There are plenty of these... just head off to 0.0 and try the 10/10s . Which are still rather simplistic. 1 AF with the right resists to tank and 3+ BSs to dps. Compared to the coordination & tactics you need for the toughest WoW NPC areas thats a joke...
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.30 21:03:00 - [119] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Dark Shikari There are plenty of these... just head off to 0.0 and try the 10/10s . Which are still rather simplistic. 1 AF with the right resists to tank and 3+ BSs to dps. Compared to the coordination & tactics you need for the toughest WoW NPC areas thats a joke... That'll get the AF popped pretty quickly. At least in the new Guristas 10/10s... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.30 21:08:00 - [120] Worked just fine in the serp 10/10. Either way, what you need is a dedcated tanker or two which get in first and then dps to kill stuff. And this works because the NPCs in eve are rather dumb for MMORPG standards and simply aggro the first thing they see and ignore everything else.

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