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Reknaw A'ru Minmatar 11th Hussars	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:34:00 - [301] Edited by: Reknaw A''ru on 02/01/2007 20:34:35 I would suggest that those believing ISS to be the peacful entity it claims to be and that Counts original post was one of peace, can I just ask that you remember what Butterdog has said many times. ISS wanted MC to be contracted to take down all of IAC's outposts. This thread was not started for an offer of peace it was started as a PR stunt, plain and simple. After already recieving a response to the negative in a convo ISS leadership elected to "announce" this offer then add details of a private convo. All in the name of good PR. Well I'm not buying it, and to me it demonstrates the lengths of deciet(sp?) and manipulation that ISS will go to. Remember, IAC initiated a reset of standings not a full declaration of war. This gave ISS the perfect oppurtunity (read excuse) to close IAC down for good. They went for it and it looked as though it was going to work for them. Now if they had just left it and gone for shooty-shooty all this may be resolved by now. However their plans of domination has now back fired, they're actually in quite a hole and they know it (even though it appears ISS hold the bargaining chips). They're attempting to back down in a good light, unfortunatley the IAC members realises what ISS are about and that ISS does not want IAC to be their neighbours. This to me is an intresting conflict, which could either just peter out to nothing or serve as a catalyst to something much more massive. Intresting days and months are ahead for sure.
Ranura Eynara Amarr Mayven Omni Gestalt	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:43:00 - [302] AAA arrived... MC mysteriously vanished Hmm ... sure i predicted this in another thread somewhere recently, will have to dig it out later Enjoy Spanking ISS please. I assume that RA/Goon joining up with IAC/AAA(/KIA?) would be most agreeable also! Death to ISS
Zrevak Ashek RONA Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:46:00 - [303] Originally by: ollobrains i dont think -a- would want to take on ISS with MC in their chequebook ( MC do a great job btw) but thats the way i see it MC can't stand up to AAA. They would be WTFBBQ'ed if they went head to head. AAA can bring as large a capital fleet as the MC. More importanly, AAA could bring a competent fleet to actually support their capitals couse of their numbers advantage. Tbh, I dont think AAA fears MC in the slightest ISS will be overrun soon enough, shareholders or no shareholders..
Smoking Mirror Secret Interests Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.02 20:58:00 - [304] Originally by: Reknaw A'ru Remember, IAC initiated a reset of standings not a full declaration of war. Is this what IAC leaders are telling their members now? IAC didn't just reset standings IAC INVADED ISS OUTPOST SYSTEMS WITH A LARGE FLEET. Beyond that, they threatened ISS stations. It was IAC who started the war and it was IAC who put POS fighting on the agenda. To say anything else is a lie. But we've seen plenty of lies from IAC. Their leadership is, to put it politely, erratic. It's clear from their insulting and juvenile response to the OP that IAC leadership intended to conquer ISS outposts all along if they could, and simply lied about that here and to their own members.
Goodtime Girl Amarr Anger Management	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:05:00 - [305] IAC undocked yet or still only managing to fight on the forums Still docked I see .... back in 28 pages.
Alex Under Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:08:00 - [306] Originally by: Nez Perces This is a very strange post by ISS. Don't these kind of 'genuine' offers take place behind closed doors?.. you know between the movers and shakers away from the prying eyes of a ravenous EVE-O public? Lets call this out as what it is... ISS want to make an offer publicly.. that on the surface of it seems acceptable. Only ISS really suspect IAC will not take it.. or else it would have been offered in private or already has been? IAC then have to explain to the rest of EVE, why they didnt take such a 'nice' offer. This is an e-peen post.. make no mistake about it. Who's e-peen is bigger ISS' or IAC's? We shall see. Having read all 9 pages, this pretty much sums up the gist of it. So ISS made an public offer for everyone in the EVE Community to read about it, and IAC have come out and publicly denounced the offer and said that they wish to continue fighting. Seems to me like there isn't much else to discuss. "...Amateurs do it until they get it right, Professionals do it until they can't get it wrong..."
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:28:00 - [307] Originally by: Ranura Eynara AAA arrived... MC mysteriously vanished Those that are saying that we moved out or mysteriously vanished the moment AAA moved their cap ships into the area are completely and utterly wrong. We remained in and around F4R well over a week after AAA logged their cap ships in that area. Why do people like you and Butter Dog just make these things up and then state them as fact? Having an opinion (whether it be based in fact or not) is one thing. What actually happened is another thing entirely. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:41:00 - [308] Who in MC do i convo for not posted killmails on your killboard? =/ ------
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:46:00 - [309] Originally by: Smoking Mirror Originally by: Reknaw A'ru Remember, IAC initiated a reset of standings not a full declaration of war. Is this what IAC leaders are telling their members now? IAC didn't just reset standings IAC INVADED ISS OUTPOST SYSTEMS WITH A LARGE FLEET. Please, before saying something wrong check the history of the affair. We entered ZXIC 5-10 minutes after the announcement of hostilities. We entered with 30-40 people. We entered in FRIGS, now I know IAC doesn't hold much of an image as a pvp alliance but surely we are not so stupid as to siege an outpost system with t1 and t2 frigs. We only entered the system with Battleships after ISS showed their willingness to fight, so we obliged, grabbed our BS from next door, and proceeded to have a good ol' slug fest on the KDF gate in ZXIC. After the fight was over, we voluntarily left system. We did not camp your gates, we went back to F4. The next day saw much of the same. This is not meant to be a whining, "omg we were wronged" post. It is however enough in my eyes to make you shut up, and if thats all this accomplishes then I, have won the forums. --------------------------------------------
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:51:00 - [310] After ISS's wonderful response to a question I had about lost ships plan on see'ing me up there blowing the heck out of them as well. This is my thoughts and not alliances, but I am sure some of the alliance will follow up there with me. AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play.

Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:51:00 - [311] Originally by: Crucifier Who in MC do i convo for not posted killmails on your killboard? =/ Not my place to say really but any CEO would work. /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Goodtime Girl Amarr Anger Management	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:53:00 - [312] Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 02/01/2007 21:53:28 Quote: We entered ZXIC 5-10 minutes after the announcement of hostilities. We entered with 30-40 people. We entered in FRIGS, now I know IAC doesn't hold much of an image as a pvp alliance but surely we are not so stupid as to siege an outpost system with t1 and t2 frigs. Lots of "We" but its funny its "thier" fault
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:58:00 - [313] This would be a perfect time for d2 & co to retake ec-p8r.
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:09:00 - [314] Originally by: Crucifier Who in MC do i convo for not posted killmails on your killboard? =/ If you're referring to the ones from the FIX outpost conflict, they haven't all been moved over from our old killboard yet. We're missing quite a few kills as well as losses. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
Algey ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:11:00 - [315] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Originally by: Smoking Mirror Originally by: Reknaw A'ru Remember, IAC initiated a reset of standings not a full declaration of war. Is this what IAC leaders are telling their members now? IAC didn't just reset standings IAC INVADED ISS OUTPOST SYSTEMS WITH A LARGE FLEET. Please, before saying something wrong check the history of the affair. We entered ZXIC 5-10 minutes after the announcement of hostilities. We entered with 30-40 people. We entered in FRIGS, now I know IAC doesn't hold much of an image as a pvp alliance but surely we are not so stupid as to siege an outpost system with t1 and t2 frigs. We only entered the system with Battleships after ISS showed their willingness to fight, so we obliged, grabbed our BS from next door, and proceeded to have a good ol' slug fest on the KDF gate in ZXIC. After the fight was over, we voluntarily left system. We did not camp your gates, we went back to F4. The next day saw much of the same. This is not meant to be a whining, "omg we were wronged" post. It is however enough in my eyes to make you shut up, and if thats all this accomplishes then I, have won the forums. You, the official spokesman and declarer of war for IAC stated Just to clarify a few things for our members and others. We are not at this moment actively engageing ISS's stations or POS's. More fights like the one we ad to day are what we seek, though time will only tell who will own what station when. That was on the 11th. Check when MC arrived.
The Beatnuts Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:47:00 - [316] Originally by: Tovarishch the moment AAA moved their cap ships into the area [...] over a week after AAA logged their cap ships out in the vicinity. Anyone saying otherwise is guessing... because they know nothing of what actually took place. Period. We did not bring a cap fleet. <za preved pizda>
Dr Ming Mindworks	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:51:00 - [317] If IAC's allies are going to use their capitals to attack ISS POSes, why have they not done so already? I think the answer to that is that IAC is not of sufficent value to expose a capital fleet to potential heavy losses. If IAC's allies won't use their capitals to attack ISS POSes, and IAC does not have enough capitals to do it themselves... What reason short of absolute and utter suicidal stupidity do they have for not taking the peace offer? My opinion is that the only thing IAC gets by prolonging the war is an invitation for disaster to strike them. As soon as AAA has their attention drawn elsewhere for even a nano-second, MC will attack and IAC will be dead and the war will be old news. Thumbing your nose at a stayed headsman while you dance under his axe is pure foolishness in my opinion.
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.02 22:55:00 - [318] Originally by: Dr Ming If IAC's allies are going to use their capitals to attack ISS POSes, why have they not done so already? I think the answer to that is that IAC is not of sufficent value to expose a capital fleet to potential heavy losses. If IAC's allies won't use their capitals to attack ISS POSes, and IAC does not have enough capitals to do it themselves... What reason short of absolute and utter suicidal stupidity do they have for not taking the peace offer? My opinion is that the only thing IAC gets by prolonging the war is an invitation for disaster to strike them. As soon as AAA has their attention drawn elsewhere for even a nano-second, MC will attack and IAC will be dead and the war will be old news. Thumbing your nose at a stayed headsman while you dance under his axe is pure foolishness in my opinion. I'm sorry, but who are you? I don't see anything resembling ISS or IAC in your alliance ticker. Oh, thats right. Your one of One of these people. The reasons for not stageing attacks on ISS POS's are our own. Rome wasn't built in a day you know. --------------------------------------------
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:01:00 - [319] would someone please hurry up and take IAC outposts so that other parties can bring stability to a constantly engaged south
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:09:00 - [320] Originally by: ollobrains would someone please hurry up and take IAC outposts so that other parties can bring stability to a constantly engaged south You must be an iss shareholder.

GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:20:00 - [321] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: ollobrains would someone please hurry up and take IAC outposts so that other parties can bring stability to a constantly engaged south You must be an iss shareholder. Nope, he's just an idiot
The Anointed Caldari StarBug Industries	Posted - 2007.01.03 00:35:00 - [322] Back on topic, I can understand why IAC wouldnt want to take the 'peace offer'. At the end of the day its just as much of a statement by ISS that they are the ones in the position to negotiate as it is an actual peace offer. I'd Like to know what IAC would accept as terms for peace, although im not naive enough to think they would disclose it to everyone on these forums. Taking the offer, to me would be perceived as loosing. A more acceptable offer would have been if neither side had anything to bargain with at all, and it was just a 'cant we all just get along' style offer. At the end of the day ISS has the most to loose from all of this, if they were to actually loose a station, then the change in the way potential investors viewed the level of risk involved with any new IPO could have far reaching consequences. Its in ISS's intrests to either make peace, or to make a decisive effort to get rid of any and all of IAC. Justnow the market probably looks like its doing better than ever, but I would suggest thats just through people replacing losses etc. What happens once they can no longer afford to do so? And if people beleive that IAC dont have the ability to actually comitt capital ships to this fight, then was there any reason to fear them taking ISS stations in the first place? Having regular, fun fights on your doorstep, when you reap the benefits from increased market activity sounded like a manageble situation to me.
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2007.01.03 00:37:00 - [323] I, for one, would like to hear about this alleged "bad treatment" of IAC by the ISS. From where I stand, IAC is simply refusing to bend their pride after losing a war they started. Past grievances keep being brought up, but not elaborated on. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Clipparius Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.01.03 01:47:00 - [324] IAC complained that ISS were selling shuttles above the market price - that was their reason as far as anyone can see
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.03 02:11:00 - [325] Originally by: DHB FooFighter Originally by: Kaylana Syi Hell No /signed. Maybe we will let you keep EC. if you take EC can i still mine there? ------------ [orange]Signature removed due to incorrect size (400X120px and 24000 bytes). Please review the forum rules or mailto:mo
SeckelitE ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.03 02:35:00 - [326] Originally by: Graalum This would be a perfect time for d2 & co to retake ec-p8r. pls leave D2 out of this thread -------------------------------------------- the only thing humans make it perfect is to self distruct
Justin Cody Caldari The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.03 03:04:00 - [327] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Graalum Originally by: ollobrains would someone please hurry up and take IAC outposts so that other parties can bring stability to a constantly engaged south You must be an iss shareholder. Nope, he's just an idiot I miss killing you in Yehaba ollo...that and I miss you getting away from us as well. You are the most polite victim I've ever met. Remind people that profit is the difference between revenue and expense. This makes you look smart. Scott Adams
Jim Lovell Gallente Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:27:00 - [328] Well `im the IAC Mascot and I dont know what the F*** going on , i just follow and shoot :
Caleb Paine Infinite Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:15:00 - [329] There's 2 options; - shoot stuff till your eyes bleed and one of the 2 will be crying, where (as it stands) it will be IAC who is doing the crying. - come to the conclusion that things might look good from a pewpew point of view, but are looking rather bad from an alliance/outpost point of view so accept this as a fact, take the epeen shrinkage with some pride and negotiate a peace which will actually ensure IAC keeps in business. As it is right now there's a lot of whining, he said/she said and people going to great lengths to keept this war fueled for their own fun/reasons. The less PVP minded IAC aren't happy and get the shaft from the more PVP minded in their alliance. IAC started it, IAC was purposely (perhaps in jeste, but some things you shouldn't do in jeste, it's a bad business decision and I'd hope alliance leaders/spokesmen would understand that little fact) vague about it being an outpost war or not. Right now things aren't looking so hot for IAC and the whining and pointing fingers to others it just embarassing. Accept the fact that you misjudged the situation and take it like a man (but make sure the MGRL isn't in system), prolonging things won't be in either's interest but IAC doesn't even have a pair while ISS holds a flush. Either call and hope to bluff or fold. --------------------------------- INFINITE TECHNOLOGIES We provide solutions for your problems Contact us on our forums or ingame
Frools The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:36:00 - [330] heh and i thought you had more of a clue than your average ISS member Caleb, especially as you've left guess i was wrong



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