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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:05:00 -
[181]
 Originally by: Ritchler
Originally by: Shin Ra
This makes ISS appear very weak.
I fail to understand how you got that from the OP
ISS cannot sustain its campaign against IAC for very long. IAC on the other hand have everything to gain from a long drawn out war.
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Alice Magnum
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:07:00 -
[182]
Quote:
ISS cannot sustain its campaign against IAC for very long. IAC on the other hand have everything to gain from a long drawn out war.
Your be surprised what share holders will fight for ...
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:13:00 -
[183]
"Well I don't think predicting an "everyone vs ISS" turkey shooting is the correct way to put it... I'm not sure if you misunderstood my post."
No, i understand what you were saying; my point was more to effect, in contrast to your view at least in this thread there seems to be running attitude of "ISS are ****** because they lost all their allies and we still have all ours, shoot them, shoot them. Oh and AAA will make them all call for their uncle once we call on them"
note, even your own equation relies on their actual presence to a degree:
"MC cancelled out by AAA (or at least made it expensive enough for ISS to think twice before being able to afford it (..)"
which makes the AAA being there quite crucial to maintain any kind of equal footing in the overall situation and/or put extra pressure on ISS money flow. And until they actually appear, that financial pressure is the only effect their theoretical involvement is going to have.
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Arrgs
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:15:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Alice Magnum
Quote:
ISS cannot sustain its campaign against IAC for very long. IAC on the other hand have everything to gain from a long drawn out war.
Your be surprised what share holders will fight for ...
You'd be suprised at what ****ed off drunken PvPers will fight for.
My first video!
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Alice Magnum
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:19:00 -
[185]
Quote:
You'd be suprised at what ****ed off drunken PvPers will fight for
And lose 
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:19:00 -
[186]
I never could see why a larger corp couldn't buy off the shares of the corp they are trying to take over.
Hostile takeover, if you will.
Combine the 2 alliances, merge assets, and take over the entire EvE economy... sounds like the best plan to me.
Just my 2 isk about this.. war.
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:20:00 -
[187]
OMG! Another one? I'm not sure we are ready for this so soon!
But I do have an honest question though, there has been some talk about it but
no clear answer to the question "What is the current status?"
1. Nothing going on?
2. aAa is ripping the POS's to pieces (I would have expected that)?
3. Nothing is done to try and remove ISS sovereignty, i.e. POS's are not contested?
4. Large scale fighing, no Capitals
5. Small scale fighting?
6. Everyone is still hungover or possibly still drunk since NYE and the chatter in local is unreadable?
What is stopping IAC to just go all in togheter with their allies and take back the system?
My money is on 6, but an unbiased report would be nice. At least as unbiased it can be.
Cheers,
Lowa
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:22:00 -
[188]
Quote:
What is stopping IAC to just go all in togheter with their allies and take back the system?
Because they can't and IAC policy is to smack until their friends maybe bail them out
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Arrgs
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:22:00 -
[189]
Edited by: Arrgs on 02/01/2007 02:22:43
Originally by: Lowa
OMG! Another one? I'm not sure we are ready for this so soon!
But I do have an honest question though, there has been some talk about it but
no clear answer to the question "What is the current status?"
1. Nothing going on?
2. aAa is ripping the POS's to pieces (I would have expected that)?
3. Nothing is done to try and remove ISS sovereignty, i.e. POS's are not contested?
4. Large scale fighing, no Capitals
5. Small scale fighting?
6. Everyone is still hungover or possibly still drunk since NYE and the chatter in local is unreadable?
What is stopping IAC to just go all in togheter with their allies and take back the system?
My money is on 6, but an unbiased report would be nice. At least as unbiased it can be.
Cheers,
Lowa
1, 5, 6. Depends on what system you're in.
My first video!
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Kaganis Warmonkey
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:37:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Arrgs
Originally by: Lowa
1. Nothing going on?
5. Small scale fighting?
6. Everyone is still hungover or possibly still drunk since NYE and the chatter in local is unreadable?
1, 5, 6. Depends on what system you're in.
That's what it looks like from this side too.
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Pakmule
Caldari
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:40:00 -
[191]
Come on people! It is the biggest party time of the year and you expect IAC to mount an offensive campaign? We are drinking! Leave us be until we sober up.
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Johnatan
VVS Corporition
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:42:00 -
[192]
WTF??? Is that AAA thread? Or BOBs? Or RAGOONs? Didn`t get it after reading EVERYTHING.
Go, go IAC! 
The Catch is ours.. ))))
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Evil Thug`s alt.
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Oreh Anavrin
ECP Rogues
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:09:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Nez Perces
This is a very strange post by ISS.
Don't these kind of 'genuine' offers take place behind closed doors?.. you know between the movers and shakers away from the prying eyes of a ravenous EVE-O public?
Lets call this out as what it is...
ISS want to make an offer publicly.. that on the surface of it seems acceptable. Only ISS really suspect IAC will not take it.. or else it would have been offered in private or already has been?
IAC then have to explain to the rest of EVE, why they didnt take such a 'nice' offer.
This is an e-peen post.. make no mistake about it. Who's e-peen is bigger ISS' or IAC's?
We shall see.
Gogo detective Nez!
Good point indeed. ISS?
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shanda captison
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:09:00 -
[194]
Edited by: shanda captison on 02/01/2007 03:10:00
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Ritchler
Originally by: Shin Ra
This makes ISS appear very weak.
I fail to understand how you got that from the OP
ISS cannot sustain its campaign against IAC for very long. IAC on the other hand have everything to gain from a long drawn out war.
You forget we have other outposts away from the fighting that are still happily making lots of isk under negligible harassment while its not much for us to travel 3 jumps to gank some of their miners and npcers (I now understand why Priory love it so much!).
I remember reading a post in a blog (if someone in ISS, Mr Foo, Priory or anyone else who has access to our forums could find it that d be nice  ) from a IAC member. It stated as well as some outlandish numbers about what heÆd projected ISS had lost (theyÆd killed) something along the lines of the war had been terrible on their economy. Also do not forget IAC members had shares in what was once the Bottleshop that at the moment are worthless. If they are anything like our shares the standard IAC member who invested stands to loose billions. Had IAC management accepted the offer in the OP the shares would be worth something again.
Must have been tough to tell your members that they had a chance to get their billions back tomorrow but you didnÆt take it.
Happy New Year! 
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:24:00 -
[195]
Originally by: shanda captison
Edited by: shanda captison on 02/01/2007 03:10:00
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Ritchler
Originally by: Shin Ra
This makes ISS appear very weak.
I fail to understand how you got that from the OP
ISS cannot sustain its campaign against IAC for very long. IAC on the other hand have everything to gain from a long drawn out war.
You forget we have other outposts away from the fighting that are still happily making lots of isk under negligible harassment while its not much for us to travel 3 jumps to gank some of their miners and npcers (I now understand why Priory love it so much!).
I remember reading a post in a blog (if someone in ISS, Mr Foo, Priory or anyone else who has access to our forums could find it that d be nice ) from a IAC member. It stated as well as some outlandish numbers about what heÆd projected ISS had lost (theyÆd killed) something along the lines of the war had been terrible on their economy. Also do not forget IAC members had shares in what was once the Bottleshop that at the moment are worthless. If they are anything like our shares the standard IAC member who invested stands to loose billions. Had IAC management accepted the offer in the OP the shares would be worth something again.
Must have been tough to tell your members that they had a chance to get their billions back tomorrow but you didnÆt take it.
Happy New Year!
If you have no concerns, you would just fight and win the war.
If you have a need to wage a propaganda war then you are not able to achieve your objectives on the battlefield. You objectives are peace.
ISS is in real danger here. You just confirmed this by effectively stating you will still operate normally if Margins falls.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:28:00 -
[196]
Originally by: shanda captison
Must have been tough to tell your members that they had a chance to get their billions back tomorrow but you didnÆt take it.
Happy New Year!
My corporation is one of the larger share holders in F4. Do you think they were hard to convince?
I don't think you and the majority of ISS get 'the situation' at hand. We feel faction ships are meant to be used. We think rare items need to be fitted to ships. Tech 2 is a way of the norm for anyone that pvp's and can fit it. Isk is a means to an end. The end is us having fun and fighting for what we stand for and believe in.
If you think appealing to the isk farmers that reside in IAC and the general materialistic forum dwellers is going to give you some leverage to keep your alliance from being dragged out in this war... then you don't really understand what is going on.
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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shanda captison
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:43:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: shanda captison
Edited by: shanda captison on 02/01/2007 03:10:00
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Ritchler
Originally by: Shin Ra
This makes ISS appear very weak.
I fail to understand how you got that from the OP
ISS cannot sustain its campaign against IAC for very long. IAC on the other hand have everything to gain from a long drawn out war.
You forget we have other outposts away from the fighting that are still happily making lots of isk under negligible harassment while its not much for us to travel 3 jumps to gank some of their miners and npcers (I now understand why Priory love it so much!).
I remember reading a post in a blog (if someone in ISS, Mr Foo, Priory or anyone else who has access to our forums could find it that d be nice ) from a IAC member. It stated as well as some outlandish numbers about what heÆd projected ISS had lost (theyÆd killed) something along the lines of the war had been terrible on their economy. Also do not forget IAC members had shares in what was once the Bottleshop that at the moment are worthless. If they are anything like our shares the standard IAC member who invested stands to loose billions. Had IAC management accepted the offer in the OP the shares would be worth something again.
Must have been tough to tell your members that they had a chance to get their billions back tomorrow but you didnÆt take it.
Happy New Year!
If you have no concerns, you would just fight and win the war.
If you have a need to wage a propaganda war then you are not able to achieve your objectives on the battlefield. You objectives are peace.
ISS is in real danger here. You just confirmed this by effectively stating you will still operate normally if Margins falls.
I didnt say that i simply said the current situation is not effecting our income in response to you saying we couldnt last in a drawn out war. Just saying isk wont be an issue due to if our members are short they can run off to a quite area and make some without much trouble. 
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:49:00 -
[198]
oh noes! Count has a secret plan to kill IAC once and for all!
maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.
let's all wait and see!
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Arrgs
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:54:00 -
[199]
8 pages in a night. Pretty impressive.
My first video!
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:57:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/01/2007 03:58:24
Originally by: shanda captison
I didn't say that i simply said the current situation is not effecting our income in response to you saying we couldnt last in a drawn out war. Just saying isk wont be an issue due to if our members are short they can run off to a quite area and make some without much trouble.
This is what ISS just don't understand, you can tell its the first time a lot of you have been in a real 0.0 war.. where your if you lose, you could lose it all.
This war is not about ISK, its not about shareholders or markets or anything so fancy...
This is a good old fashioned war for power, territory and control.
IAC think you need to die, or at least come under their control. They are fighting for things, which ISS don't understand. You must have known this day would come, that one day conditions would arise where you could not hide behind mercs or isk. Now is when your Navy should come into its own.
There seems to be no outside aid forthcoming for ISS in the short, medium or long term. The parties that were aiding you have been neutralised in some form or another.
You are in 0.0 and you are gonna have to fight IAC once they sober up. There is no escaping it.. and all the shareholders in the world aren't going to change that.
ISK has never one wars in EVE, never has done, never will.. what wins wars is willpower. The commitment to see an objective through till the end. And it sure seems like IAC have plenty of that.
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:02:00 -
[201]
I hope ISS wake up. I have a feeling its there turn now though, and only its shareholders will be the losers.
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:09:00 -
[202]
"what wins wars is willpower. The commitment to see an objective through till the end. And it sure seems like IAC have plenty of that."
tbh after that negotiations log posted in the thread this seems to be at least in part the propaganda take on things from IAC: "zeal vs isk counters", natural counter-balance to ISS' own "neutrals vs warmongers" propaganda approach.
Well either that or Tyrrax is just marching to beat of different kettle of fish... :s
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Uuve Savisaalo
Umbra Congregatio
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:13:00 -
[203]
Well, they did call it 'wrath of the shareholders' - i am sort of curious whom it is the shareholders shall be wrathful towards shortly.
At any rate, I would like to extend a sincere thanks to all of the sides involved in this conflict for making it an exciting wrinkle in the greater fabric of things. Pretty much illustrates what eve's endgame content is all about, and nothing else comes anywhere near in my opinion.
cheers,
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Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:14:00 -
[204]
Originally by: N Solarz
does "AAA and friends" not mean ANYTHING to you?
Originally by: xh'duality
IAC$AAA$SOD$RAGOON$manymore 4TW
Originally by: Arrgs
All of your allies have run away, and we still have ours?
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Yes, noone is coming to help us. We are utterly defenseless. Don't bother showing up.
Good luck IAC + allies.
I look forward to seeing your dreads in siege mode.
Nebba - The Vocal Majority
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DHB FooFighter
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:19:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
Originally by: N Solarz
does "AAA and friends" not mean ANYTHING to you?
Originally by: xh'duality
IAC$AAA$SOD$RAGOON$manymore 4TW
Originally by: Arrgs
All of your allies have run away, and we still have ours?
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Yes, noone is coming to help us. We are utterly defenseless. Don't bother showing up.
Good luck IAC + allies.
I look forward to seeing your dreads in siege mode.
yay, shoostings.
If im not mistaken, Cap Ship fights are what our allies want anyway 
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:19:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
Good luck IAC + allies.
I look forward to seeing your dreads in siege mode.
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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Crucifier
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:24:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
Originally by: N Solarz
does "AAA and friends" not mean ANYTHING to you?
Originally by: xh'duality
IAC$AAA$SOD$RAGOON$manymore 4TW
Originally by: Arrgs
All of your allies have run away, and we still have ours?
Originally by: DHB FooFighter
Yes, noone is coming to help us. We are utterly defenseless. Don't bother showing up.
Good luck IAC + allies.
I look forward to seeing your dreads in siege mode.
I look forward to see your titan melt (and hope sincerely i get on the killmail  )
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:28:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Nebba Kenezzer
Good luck IAC + allies.
I look forward to seeing your dreads in siege mode.
OFC... LV is an interested party here, but do you not have your hands full with RAGoonTCF?
and if MC get called in again, do AAA not turn up?
and excuse me whilst I slip on my tinfoil hat... if B.... turn up, could we see D... turn up?
This conflict is the best.
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Rshu Jhorlk
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:46:00 -
[209]
Originally by: n sx
Hi Count,
Firstly, thanks for announcing publically ISS' first tangible offer to seek of peace with IAC.
You are also correct that IAC's member corps are the sole owners of the F4R outpost and have the ultimate say in it's future.
This post however is a publicity stunt. You and your 'discussion team' know full well, : IAC refused to acknowledge your bargaining chip plan. I have read the negotiation logs between your guys, and IAC's, and we've made it very clear.
At the beginning of this entire war, I highlighted areas for you that you and your alliance needed to remedy to appease the relationship with IAC. By accepting this NAP, IAC and ISS would be in exactly the same position as we were before we started, and as a result the entire campaign from both perspective achieves nothing.
One of the areas that I particularly mentioned was your inability to deal with IAC in a fair and honourable way. Through this campaign and your 3 weeks of forum silence, you've been ousted outed publically as a liar and two faced operator to not only IAC, but your employees and inevitably your shareholders.
Until your address contains information that confronts issues that have been brought up, a plan for the future, and also a public explanation to the EVE public and entities involved in this war as to why you blatently lied to us all, we cannot take you seriously.
Address these concerns and you may win over IAC's members which the leadership team must follow. I have sent this subtle message through your numerous entities that have communicated with me, in the hope that you realise this is your only road to peace. Right now, the absolute majority of those 'voters' refuse to back down.
Count, I cannot fault your vision and also your dedication to seeing ISS work, but it is however your ignorance of medium sized entites, your leadership team's poor and undermining communication, and your manipulative political tactics that is causing any talks to break down.
-n
Because alts like grammar too.
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.01.02 05:08:00 -
[210]
*chews on lip for a bit*
Let me use an analogy.
If you pew pew with bullets made of gold, then you'll run out of bullets sooner than someone using lead. Then, it will be a contest between someone using stones and someone still using bullets.
"Ignoring economics" has to be the dumbest answer yet to the "How do you fight a heavy industrial corp?" question. (And this is written by someone who cheered Tyrrax after the Impoc went down - there's pride... and then there's just ignorance and stupidity)
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
I don't think you and the majority of ISS get 'the situation' at hand. We feel faction ships are meant to be used. We think rare items need to be fitted to ships. Tech 2 is a way of the norm for anyone that pvp's and can fit it. Isk is a means to an end. The end is us having fun and fighting for what we stand for and believe in.
Originally by: Nez Perces
ISK has never won wars in EVE, never has done, never will.. what wins wars is willpower. The commitment to see an objective through till the end. And it sure seems like IAC have plenty of that.
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