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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:11:01 -
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According to the Mittani, CCP is backing his book regarding his alliance evicting test. He has posted that CCP is supporting and backing this project.
I am curious if this is more than just moral support. From what I see it appears to mostly be that. But it goes beyond that, I would like to know how much support CCP is giving to this player's endeavors.
Here is an example of a quote from the mittani:
"When CCP, Jeff Edwards and The Mittani Media decided to collaborate in writing science fiction thrillers based on the stories created in EVE Online, we knew that this would be only the first of many epic stories we would tell. Combining the remarkable writing talent of Jeff Edwards with the strength and support of CCP Games and The Mittani Media, this book is destined to captivate science fiction, action, suspense, and military fiction fans everywhere." |

Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1008
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:13:30 -
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CCP give Mittani no ban. |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:13:56 -
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Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Harry Forever
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1294
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:21:14 -
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mech res wrote:According to the Mittani, CCP is backing his book regarding his alliance evicting test. He has posted that CCP is supporting and backing this project.
I am curious if this is more than just moral support. From what I see it appears to mostly be that. But it goes beyond that, I would like to know how much support CCP is giving to this player's endeavors.
Here is an example of a quote from the mittani:
"When CCP, Jeff Edwards and The Mittani Media decided to collaborate in writing science fiction thrillers based on the stories created in EVE Online, we knew that this would be only the first of many epic stories we would tell. Combining the remarkable writing talent of Jeff Edwards with the strength and support of CCP Games and The Mittani Media, this book is destined to captivate science fiction, action, suspense, and military fiction fans everywhere."
they better write about how I extracted goontears in VFK for month, the fountain war, just a reason to escape my torpedos
Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12867
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:23:58 -
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I don't see why a book needs to be written about it seeing as how my Alliance didn't want that Fountain anyways.
Prior to that I was in NCDot when we didn't want Tribute so we let Goons have it while only pretending to fight back also. It's really weird, Goons showing up makes me stop wanting things all the time  |

Fanny-Basher
The Unlisted Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:27:01 -
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while your on the topic of goons i belive ive read a post where it seems goons capture players ip addresses and try to narrow down who is who and ddos fc's and people when they need to it seems goons are rubbing alot of players up the wrong way also the ganking in hisec the punishments are not enough its crazy that hisec is not as safe as one would think or expect i unsubbed and just wanted to see if it was worth coming back :) |

Nysero Vaenthrak
Global Trading Partners
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:30:12 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Well I guess that explains it. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25608
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:30:36 -
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Fanny-Basher wrote:while your on the topic of goons i belive ive read a post where it seems goons capture players ip addresses and try to narrow down who is who and ddos fc's and people when they need to it seems goons are rubbing alot of players up the wrong way also the ganking in hisec the punishments are not enough its crazy that hisec is not as safe as one would think or expect i unsubbed and just wanted to see if it was worth coming back :) Firstly, tinfoil. Secondly, run on sentence ahoy. Thirdly, hisec is only as safe as you make it for yourself.
Lastly, that name 
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
764
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:38:01 -
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What's worrisome is with the monetization of eve player stories, expressing your opinion of what took place in your personal eve history will open you up to legal action.
How far is this going to go? Will lawyers be patrolling reddit, mmorpg forums demanding moderators take down AARs and commentaries of battles and strategic actions because this or that guy wrote a book that covers what you're talking about?
Will there be copyright infringement actions taking place because eve players go into detail regarding their experiences or their perception of actions that took place?
Hit with libel for contradicting the written words of authors with their own idea of what actually took place?
How far down does this rabbit hole go? |

Thierry Orlenard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:46:42 -
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Fanny-Basher wrote:while your on the topic of goons i belive ive read a post where it seems goons capture players ip addresses and try to narrow down who is who and ddos fc's and people when they need to it seems goons are rubbing alot of players up the wrong way also the ganking in hisec the punishments are not enough its crazy that hisec is not as safe as one would think or expect i unsubbed and just wanted to see if it was worth coming back :)
You are certainly in the perfect alliance. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16875
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:49:46 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:What's worrisome is with the monetization of eve player stories, expressing your opinion of what took place in your personal eve history will open you up to legal action.
How far is this going to go? Will lawyers be patrolling reddit, mmorpg forums demanding moderators take down AARs and commentaries of battles and strategic actions because this or that guy wrote a book that covers what you're talking about?
Will there be copyright infringement actions taking place because eve players go into detail regarding their experiences or their perception of actions that took place?
Hit with libel for contradicting the written words of authors with their own idea of what actually took place?
How far down does this rabbit hole go?
CCP owns you and your stories already.
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
765
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:51:46 -
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Yes, and so far they've not had a reason to stop us from telling them.
Now with the monetization through books of player stories, will this be the catalyst that initiates active censorship? |

mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:53:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Thanks for the information. If this is as far as it goes, I am glad ccp is doing this - assuming they would do this for other players and not just one.
Is that as far as the support goes?
Saying CCP is "collaborat[ing]" with the mittani and the author seems to imply a bit more. But those are his words not CCP's and I have learned to take his word with a grain of salt. |

Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise Upholders
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:53:02 -
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baltec1 wrote:CCP owns you and your stories already.
CCP owning them and CCP giving those rights to other players are two completely different things. |

Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:58:27 -
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Yeah its getting mildly disturbing that people today assume all game IP lore doesn't belong to the developer. They own the EVE world.. to do anything EVE related CCP needs to give you their nod of approval or explicitly state you can play in their proverbial sandbox of dreams.
Also Mittens Gets Kittens. Oh come on.. admit it Kittens even make putin look soft and cuddly. Grr goons to aww kittens. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16875
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:00:58 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Yes, and so far they've not had a reason to stop us from telling them.
Now with the monetization through books of player stories, will this be the catalyst that initiates active censorship?
Given that one of the main fleets in that story has my name if there was an issue I would the first in line to kick up a stink about it.
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:02:48 -
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Nafensoriel wrote:Yeah its getting mildly disturbing that people today assume all game IP lore doesn't belong to the developer. They own the EVE world.. to do anything EVE related CCP needs to give you their nod of approval or explicitly state you can play in their proverbial sandbox of dreams.
Also Mittens Gets Kittens. Oh come on.. admit it Kittens even make putin look soft and cuddly. Grr goons to aww kittens.
CCP can legally do what they want with their property. That includes spawning and giving certain alliances perks like tech 2 bpos or supporting their propaganda efforts to promote themselves or their alliances.
But that doesn't mean they should do those things. And I think players are within their rights to at least ask what extent ccp is doing this. |

Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:18:34 -
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Key fact about consumerism.. If you keep giving them money you accept the terms of what they provide. We keep giving them money.. so all those things kinda don't matter. |

d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:39:38 -
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mech res wrote:Nafensoriel wrote:Yeah its getting mildly disturbing that people today assume all game IP lore doesn't belong to the developer. They own the EVE world.. to do anything EVE related CCP needs to give you their nod of approval or explicitly state you can play in their proverbial sandbox of dreams.
Also Mittens Gets Kittens. Oh come on.. admit it Kittens even make putin look soft and cuddly. Grr goons to aww kittens. CCP can legally do what it wants with its property. That includes spawning and giving certain alliances perks like tech 2 bpos, or supporting their propaganda efforts to promote themselves or their alliances. But that doesn't mean CCP should do those things. And I think players are within their rights to at least ask what extent ccp is doing this.
Butthurt is strong in this one.
Been around since the beginning.
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
238
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:55:25 -
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CCP also supported the History of Great Empires as well. But I guess that looks less controversial. Perhaps they are happy to help projects that look sound, have a good chance of success and extend their visibility?
Or we can all just find some tinfoil attire and grr. |

SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:59:22 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Will there be punishment handed out for mittens being caught RMTing via the Kickstarter? Or was that part of the deal setup with CCP and it gets him a free pass? Not trying to start ****, but the community deserves to know what is going on considering CCP has been giving perma-bans for the exchange of real money for in game items before. |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:01:14 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Guess that explains the 150,000 $. 
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
238
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:13:54 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Guess that explains the 150,000 $. 
That did seem a little high. a History of the Great Empires (what is the acceptable abbreviation of this anyway?) was only pitching for 12,500, and they had to pay for art as well. The break down for Fountain war would be interesting. |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16875
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:14:30 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Guess that explains the 150,000 $. 
I hear people will spend a year working for nothing and people will publish/print and do all the legal stuff for free.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4089
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:20:03 -
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baltec1 wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Guess that explains the 150,000 $.  I hear people will spend a year working for nothing and people will publish/print and do all the legal stuff for free.
See the answer above yours. An even larger project (in scope, duration and investment) it's being done for 12,500 $.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
238
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:26:56 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:baltec1 wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Guess that explains the 150,000 $.  I hear people will spend a year working for nothing and people will publish/print and do all the legal stuff for free. See the answer above yours. An even larger project (in scope, duration and investment) it's being done for 12,500 $.
To be fair, I think they finished their campaign at just under $100,000. (It was a very cool sounding project and I look forward to my copy) |

Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:37:39 -
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Publishing a book... hmm.. 45-65/hr editor + 25-70hr Copy Editor... A good 3 Grand conservatively. More if you actually hire people that actually reads the book and knows proper grammar and spelling.
Cover Art: Eh debatable.. but since this is EVE IP its probably CCP licence + 50-5000 bucks depending on the quality of the artist and the detail you want.
Media format.. Don't remember if MOBI needs a licence or not.. EPUB is free as are most other formats so zero bucks here.
ISBN: ISBNs in canada are free provided certain conditions.. IIRC American/EU rates are 125/unit or something close to that.
Distribution is complex for this one.. North American and European markets have semifree digital publishing.. physical not so free. Id have to ask a few questions to know how much it would run but it aint cheap.
Book printing is again more complex.. but you can assume a standard paperback costs around 9-12 dollars a unit for a 350 page paperback of standard size being sold for between 7-12 dollars. Yes this means you can actually lose money if you get the wrong print on demand service. Plus side.. its very easy to print on demand now so no more mentally ******** lot sizes that YOU have to pay for before you even sell your first copy.
Professional Reviews.. Yeah bet you didnt realize you actually have to PAY for these did ya mister reader? They aint cheap either. around 150-650 per review set from the big lots. You could just put it on the shelf and hope for the best.. but its a product.. reviews are life.
Finally you get hype! Radios are between 250 - 10000 bucks a month depending on station, time, and length. TV can get into the tens of thousands easy. Millions if you are stupid or have a "sure thing". Heck even ad purchasing on the interwebs is a monthly cost.
This is all before the "cuts" come out in the form of personal time.. Bills gotta get paid ya know.
/Reference Published a few technical manuals. Were paid for by the business but damn I never knew how expensive that crap could be until I had done it.
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:52:58 -
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According to the Mittani.com writer, Sion Kumitomo, CCP and the Mittani are partners.
"TheMittani.com in partnership with CCP and best selling author Jeff Edwards is proud to announce that we'll be bringing you the incredible story of the Fountain War."
https://www.themittani.com/news/themittanicom-and-ccp-games-announce-kickstarter-campaign
According to CCP Falcon it appears CCP is only allowing the eve intellectual property rights to be used.
It's unclear who is getting what from this. Are the rest of the profits being split between the mittani and the author? |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16875
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:53:23 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
See the answer above yours. An even larger project (in scope, duration and investment) it's being done for 12,500 $.
Said guy is not working on it full time as his job.
Your grr gon is showing.
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2015.11.03 22:12:35 -
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mech res wrote:According to the Mittani.com writer, Sion Kumitomo, CCP and the Mittani are partners. "TheMittani.com in partnership with CCP and best selling author Jeff Edwards is proud to announce that we'll be bringing you the incredible story of the Fountain War." https://www.themittani.com/news/themittanicom-and-ccp-games-announce-kickstarter-campaign
According to CCP Falcon it appears CCP is only allowing the eve intellectual property rights to be used. It's unclear who is getting what from this. Are the rest of the profits being split between the mittani and the author?
What profits? They have to make the book first. Kickstarter donations aren't profit. And most of the Kickstarter money goes to the author so he can work full-time on the book.
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