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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:11:01 -
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According to the Mittani, CCP is backing his book regarding his alliance evicting test. He has posted that CCP is supporting and backing this project.
I am curious if this is more than just moral support. From what I see it appears to mostly be that. But it goes beyond that, I would like to know how much support CCP is giving to this player's endeavors.
Here is an example of a quote from the mittani:
"When CCP, Jeff Edwards and The Mittani Media decided to collaborate in writing science fiction thrillers based on the stories created in EVE Online, we knew that this would be only the first of many epic stories we would tell. Combining the remarkable writing talent of Jeff Edwards with the strength and support of CCP Games and The Mittani Media, this book is destined to captivate science fiction, action, suspense, and military fiction fans everywhere." |
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1008
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:13:30 -
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CCP give Mittani no ban. |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:13:56 -
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Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Harry Forever
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1294
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:21:14 -
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mech res wrote:According to the Mittani, CCP is backing his book regarding his alliance evicting test. He has posted that CCP is supporting and backing this project.
I am curious if this is more than just moral support. From what I see it appears to mostly be that. But it goes beyond that, I would like to know how much support CCP is giving to this player's endeavors.
Here is an example of a quote from the mittani:
"When CCP, Jeff Edwards and The Mittani Media decided to collaborate in writing science fiction thrillers based on the stories created in EVE Online, we knew that this would be only the first of many epic stories we would tell. Combining the remarkable writing talent of Jeff Edwards with the strength and support of CCP Games and The Mittani Media, this book is destined to captivate science fiction, action, suspense, and military fiction fans everywhere."
they better write about how I extracted goontears in VFK for month, the fountain war, just a reason to escape my torpedos
Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12867
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:23:58 -
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I don't see why a book needs to be written about it seeing as how my Alliance didn't want that Fountain anyways.
Prior to that I was in NCDot when we didn't want Tribute so we let Goons have it while only pretending to fight back also. It's really weird, Goons showing up makes me stop wanting things all the time  |
Fanny-Basher
The Unlisted
Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:27:01 -
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while your on the topic of goons i belive ive read a post where it seems goons capture players ip addresses and try to narrow down who is who and ddos fc's and people when they need to it seems goons are rubbing alot of players up the wrong way also the ganking in hisec the punishments are not enough its crazy that hisec is not as safe as one would think or expect i unsubbed and just wanted to see if it was worth coming back :) |
Nysero Vaenthrak
Global Trading Partners
0
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:30:12 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Well I guess that explains it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25608
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:30:36 -
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Fanny-Basher wrote:while your on the topic of goons i belive ive read a post where it seems goons capture players ip addresses and try to narrow down who is who and ddos fc's and people when they need to it seems goons are rubbing alot of players up the wrong way also the ganking in hisec the punishments are not enough its crazy that hisec is not as safe as one would think or expect i unsubbed and just wanted to see if it was worth coming back :)
Firstly, tinfoil.
Secondly, run on sentence ahoy.
Thirdly, hisec is only as safe as you make it for yourself.
Lastly, that name 
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc.
Phoebe Freeport Republic
764
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:38:01 -
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What's worrisome is with the monetization of eve player stories, expressing your opinion of what took place in your personal eve history will open you up to legal action.
How far is this going to go? Will lawyers be patrolling reddit, mmorpg forums demanding moderators take down AARs and commentaries of battles and strategic actions because this or that guy wrote a book that covers what you're talking about?
Will there be copyright infringement actions taking place because eve players go into detail regarding their experiences or their perception of actions that took place?
Hit with libel for contradicting the written words of authors with their own idea of what actually took place?
How far down does this rabbit hole go? |
Thierry Orlenard
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:46:42 -
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Fanny-Basher wrote:while your on the topic of goons i belive ive read a post where it seems goons capture players ip addresses and try to narrow down who is who and ddos fc's and people when they need to it seems goons are rubbing alot of players up the wrong way also the ganking in hisec the punishments are not enough its crazy that hisec is not as safe as one would think or expect i unsubbed and just wanted to see if it was worth coming back :)
You are certainly in the perfect alliance. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16875
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:49:46 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:What's worrisome is with the monetization of eve player stories, expressing your opinion of what took place in your personal eve history will open you up to legal action.
How far is this going to go? Will lawyers be patrolling reddit, mmorpg forums demanding moderators take down AARs and commentaries of battles and strategic actions because this or that guy wrote a book that covers what you're talking about?
Will there be copyright infringement actions taking place because eve players go into detail regarding their experiences or their perception of actions that took place?
Hit with libel for contradicting the written words of authors with their own idea of what actually took place?
How far down does this rabbit hole go?
CCP owns you and your stories already.
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc.
Phoebe Freeport Republic
765
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:51:46 -
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Yes, and so far they've not had a reason to stop us from telling them.
Now with the monetization through books of player stories, will this be the catalyst that initiates active censorship? |
mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:53:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Thanks for the information. If this is as far as it goes, I am glad ccp is doing this - assuming they would do this for other players and not just one.
Is that as far as the support goes?
Saying CCP is "collaborat[ing]" with the mittani and the author seems to imply a bit more. But those are his words not CCP's and I have learned to take his word with a grain of salt. |
Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise
Upholders
366
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:53:02 -
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baltec1 wrote:CCP owns you and your stories already.
CCP owning them and CCP giving those rights to other players are two completely different things. |
Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2015.11.03 19:58:27 -
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Yeah its getting mildly disturbing that people today assume all game IP lore doesn't belong to the developer. They own the EVE world.. to do anything EVE related CCP needs to give you their nod of approval or explicitly state you can play in their proverbial sandbox of dreams.
Also Mittens Gets Kittens.
Oh come on.. admit it Kittens even make putin look soft and cuddly. Grr goons to aww kittens. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16875
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:00:58 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Yes, and so far they've not had a reason to stop us from telling them.
Now with the monetization through books of player stories, will this be the catalyst that initiates active censorship?
Given that one of the main fleets in that story has my name if there was an issue I would the first in line to kick up a stink about it.
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:02:48 -
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Nafensoriel wrote:Yeah its getting mildly disturbing that people today assume all game IP lore doesn't belong to the developer. They own the EVE world.. to do anything EVE related CCP needs to give you their nod of approval or explicitly state you can play in their proverbial sandbox of dreams.
Also Mittens Gets Kittens.
Oh come on.. admit it Kittens even make putin look soft and cuddly. Grr goons to aww kittens.
CCP can legally do what they want with their property. That includes spawning and giving certain alliances perks like tech 2 bpos or supporting their propaganda efforts to promote themselves or their alliances.
But that doesn't mean they should do those things. And I think players are within their rights to at least ask what extent ccp is doing this. |
Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:18:34 -
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Key fact about consumerism.. If you keep giving them money you accept the terms of what they provide.
We keep giving them money.. so all those things kinda don't matter. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
270
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:39:38 -
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mech res wrote:Nafensoriel wrote:Yeah its getting mildly disturbing that people today assume all game IP lore doesn't belong to the developer. They own the EVE world.. to do anything EVE related CCP needs to give you their nod of approval or explicitly state you can play in their proverbial sandbox of dreams.
Also Mittens Gets Kittens.
Oh come on.. admit it Kittens even make putin look soft and cuddly. Grr goons to aww kittens. CCP can legally do what it wants with its property. That includes spawning and giving certain alliances perks like tech 2 bpos, or supporting their propaganda efforts to promote themselves or their alliances. But that doesn't mean CCP should do those things. And I think players are within their rights to at least ask what extent ccp is doing this.
Butthurt is strong in this one.
Been around since the beginning.
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
238
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:55:25 -
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CCP also supported the History of Great Empires as well. But I guess that looks less controversial. Perhaps they are happy to help projects that look sound, have a good chance of success and extend their visibility?
Or we can all just find some tinfoil attire and grr. |
SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Squids
363
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Posted - 2015.11.03 20:59:22 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Will there be punishment handed out for mittens being caught RMTing via the Kickstarter? Or was that part of the deal setup with CCP and it gets him a free pass? Not trying to start ****, but the community deserves to know what is going on considering CCP has been giving perma-bans for the exchange of real money for in game items before. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4089
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:01:14 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Guess that explains the 150,000 $. 
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
238
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:13:54 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Guess that explains the 150,000 $.
That did seem a little high. a History of the Great Empires (what is the acceptable abbreviation of this anyway?) was only pitching for 12,500, and they had to pay for art as well. The break down for Fountain war would be interesting. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16875
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:14:30 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Guess that explains the 150,000 $.
I hear people will spend a year working for nothing and people will publish/print and do all the legal stuff for free.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4089
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:20:03 -
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baltec1 wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Guess that explains the 150,000 $. I hear people will spend a year working for nothing and people will publish/print and do all the legal stuff for free.
See the answer above yours. An even larger project (in scope, duration and investment) it's being done for 12,500 $.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
238
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:26:56 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:baltec1 wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Guess that explains the 150,000 $. I hear people will spend a year working for nothing and people will publish/print and do all the legal stuff for free. See the answer above yours. An even larger project (in scope, duration and investment) it's being done for 12,500 $.
To be fair, I think they finished their campaign at just under $100,000. (It was a very cool sounding project and I look forward to my copy) |
Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
172
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:37:39 -
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Publishing a book...
hmm..
45-65/hr editor + 25-70hr Copy Editor... A good 3 Grand conservatively. More if you actually hire people that actually reads the book and knows proper grammar and spelling.
Cover Art: Eh debatable.. but since this is EVE IP its probably CCP licence + 50-5000 bucks depending on the quality of the artist and the detail you want.
Media format.. Don't remember if MOBI needs a licence or not.. EPUB is free as are most other formats so zero bucks here.
ISBN: ISBNs in canada are free provided certain conditions.. IIRC American/EU rates are 125/unit or something close to that.
Distribution is complex for this one.. North American and European markets have semifree digital publishing.. physical not so free. Id have to ask a few questions to know how much it would run but it aint cheap.
Book printing is again more complex.. but you can assume a standard paperback costs around 9-12 dollars a unit for a 350 page paperback of standard size being sold for between 7-12 dollars. Yes this means you can actually lose money if you get the wrong print on demand service. Plus side.. its very easy to print on demand now so no more mentally ******** lot sizes that YOU have to pay for before you even sell your first copy.
Professional Reviews.. Yeah bet you didnt realize you actually have to PAY for these did ya mister reader? They aint cheap either. around 150-650 per review set from the big lots. You could just put it on the shelf and hope for the best.. but its a product.. reviews are life.
Finally you get hype! Radios are between 250 - 10000 bucks a month depending on station, time, and length. TV can get into the tens of thousands easy. Millions if you are stupid or have a "sure thing". Heck even ad purchasing on the interwebs is a monthly cost.
This is all before the "cuts" come out in the form of personal time.. Bills gotta get paid ya know.
/Reference Published a few technical manuals. Were paid for by the business but damn I never knew how expensive that crap could be until I had done it.
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:52:58 -
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According to the Mittani.com writer, Sion Kumitomo, CCP and the Mittani are partners.
"TheMittani.com in partnership with CCP and best selling author Jeff Edwards is proud to announce that we'll be bringing you the incredible story of the Fountain War."
https://www.themittani.com/news/themittanicom-and-ccp-games-announce-kickstarter-campaign
According to CCP Falcon it appears CCP is only allowing the eve intellectual property rights to be used.
It's unclear who is getting what from this. Are the rest of the profits being split between the mittani and the author? |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16875
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Posted - 2015.11.03 21:53:23 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
See the answer above yours. An even larger project (in scope, duration and investment) it's being done for 12,500 $.
Said guy is not working on it full time as his job.
Your grr gon is showing.
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
417
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Posted - 2015.11.03 22:12:35 -
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mech res wrote:According to the Mittani.com writer, Sion Kumitomo, CCP and the Mittani are partners. "TheMittani.com in partnership with CCP and best selling author Jeff Edwards is proud to announce that we'll be bringing you the incredible story of the Fountain War." https://www.themittani.com/news/themittanicom-and-ccp-games-announce-kickstarter-campaign
According to CCP Falcon it appears CCP is only allowing the eve intellectual property rights to be used. It's unclear who is getting what from this. Are the rest of the profits being split between the mittani and the author?
What profits? They have to make the book first. Kickstarter donations aren't profit. And most of the Kickstarter money goes to the author so he can work full-time on the book.
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Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
636
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Posted - 2015.11.03 22:21:02 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Will there be punishment handed out for mittens being caught RMTing via the Kickstarter? Or was that part of the deal setup with CCP and it gets him a free pass? Not trying to start ****, but the community deserves to know what is going on considering CCP has been giving perma-bans for the exchange of real money for in game items before.
Has there actually been an exchange of real money for in game items in this case? |
Lord LazyGhost
Sons Against Humanity
498
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Posted - 2015.11.03 22:21:54 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
thats good support...
will not sue the **** out of you happy xmas :)
good old CCP :) |
Camios
Dutch East Querious Company
Phoebe Freeport Republic
166
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Posted - 2015.11.03 22:26:58 -
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I wish The Mittani the best in this endeavour, thinking about pledging.
A comment though: why the hell would anyone pledge 250 euros for that? That's a cool thing, but... This I will never understand. |
Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
239
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Posted - 2015.11.03 22:29:40 -
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baltec1 wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
See the answer above yours. An even larger project (in scope, duration and investment) it's being done for 12,500 $.
Said guy is not working on it full time as his job. Your grr gon is showing.
I have no grr to give, it seems like effort, look at my first post in this thread.
Anyway it's a kick starter. I will back/not back based on the idea and the tiers. The back-end cost structure is mostly irrelevant to me as a backer (unless the need to start selling photos of pages after the campaign to keep the project afloat....)
It is interesting that they might be treating it as a fully paid pre-order with any post campaign sales as profit.
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
0
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Posted - 2015.11.03 22:32:09 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:mech res wrote:According to the Mittani.com writer, Sion Kumitomo, CCP and the Mittani are partners. "TheMittani.com in partnership with CCP and best selling author Jeff Edwards is proud to announce that we'll be bringing you the incredible story of the Fountain War." https://www.themittani.com/news/themittanicom-and-ccp-games-announce-kickstarter-campaign
According to CCP Falcon it appears CCP is only allowing the eve intellectual property rights to be used. It's unclear who is getting what from this. Are the rest of the profits being split between the mittani and the author? What profits? They have to make the book first. Kickstarter donations aren't profit. And most of the Kickstarter money goes to the author so he can work full-time on the book.
Will the book not continue to sell after it is made? Or is it then given out for free? If it is to be sold who gets the money?
Generally partners share the costs and the profits. They also generally need to have aligned goals.
According to the Mittani.com, CCP and the mittani are partners in this with the author.
According to CCP Falcon, CCP is only allowing them to use the EVE name and related ip. Well he said they are allowing that. He technically didn't say that is all the involvement ccp has. I would be interested in knowing if CCP is partnering with the mittani.
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
239
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Posted - 2015.11.03 22:40:49 -
[36] - Quote
mech res wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:mech res wrote:According to the Mittani.com writer, Sion Kumitomo, CCP and the Mittani are partners. "TheMittani.com in partnership with CCP and best selling author Jeff Edwards is proud to announce that we'll be bringing you the incredible story of the Fountain War." https://www.themittani.com/news/themittanicom-and-ccp-games-announce-kickstarter-campaign
According to CCP Falcon it appears CCP is only allowing the eve intellectual property rights to be used. It's unclear who is getting what from this. Are the rest of the profits being split between the mittani and the author? What profits? They have to make the book first. Kickstarter donations aren't profit. And most of the Kickstarter money goes to the author so he can work full-time on the book. Will the book not continue to sell after it is made? Or is it then given out for free? If it is to be sold who gets the money? Generally partners share the costs and the profits. They also generally need to have aligned goals. According to the Mittani.com, CCP and the mittani are partners in this with the author. According to CCP Falcon, CCP is only allowing them to use the EVE name and related ip. Well he said they are allowing that. He technically didn't say that is all the involvement ccp has. I would be interested in knowing if CCP is partnering with the mittani.
Now this is grrrr goons with a side of manufactured controversy. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2369
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Posted - 2015.11.03 22:44:35 -
[37] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP. ... to Mittens?
Are you insane?!
Erotic EVE hentai fiction incoming in 5 ... 4 ... 3...
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25613
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Posted - 2015.11.03 22:46:39 -
[38] - Quote
mech res wrote:According to CCP Falcon, CCP is only allowing them to use the EVE name and related ip. Well he said they are allowing that. He technically didn't say that is all the involvement ccp has. I would be interested in knowing if CCP is partnering with the mittani. By allowing the use of their intellectual property they are de facto partners in the same way that they're partners with Baltasar Korm+íkur for the TV series and with Dark Horse Comics for the comics. They're essentially licensing their property (the stories we create with their game) to 3rd parties, it's a fairly normal occurrence in the real world.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
0
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Posted - 2015.11.03 22:59:44 -
[39] - Quote
Aoife Fraoch wrote:mech res wrote:
Will the book not continue to sell after it is made? Or is it then given out for free? If it is to be sold who gets the money?
Generally partners share the costs and the profits. They also generally need to have aligned goals.
According to the Mittani.com, CCP and the mittani are partners in this with the author.
According to CCP Falcon, CCP is only allowing them to use the EVE name and related ip. Well he said they are allowing that. He technically didn't say that is all the involvement ccp has. I would be interested in knowing if CCP is partnering with the mittani.
Now this is grrrr goons with a side of manufactured controversy.
Ok yet another eve-o thread sidetracked with silly mantras like "grrr goons."
I like(d) plenty of goons but I admit the mittani (the real person) strikes me as pretty slimy and less than honest. I would like to know if ccp thinks they are partnering with him or if they think that is a bit of a stretch. Are they more involved in this project than they were about the other book about the history of eve? Either they are or not. I am not trying to manufacture anything. Just asking some questions that ccp likely anticipated, given Mr. Gianturco's past actions and statements.
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:mech res wrote:According to CCP Falcon, CCP is only allowing them to use the EVE name and related ip. Well he said they are allowing that. He technically didn't say that is all the involvement ccp has. I would be interested in knowing if CCP is partnering with the mittani. By allowing the use of their intellectual property they are de facto partners in the same way that they're partners with Baltasar Korm+íkur for the TV series and with Dark Horse Comics for the comics. They're essentially licensing their property (the stories we create with their game) to 3rd parties, it's a fairly normal occurrence in the real world.
That is a bit of stretch of the term partnership. The author of the other book did not claim he was partnering with ccp. That is why I ask if that is the extent of ccp's involvement. |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
1125
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Posted - 2015.11.03 23:05:05 -
[40] - Quote
i guess it's the done thing these days to try to squeeze a dollar out of any amount of e-celebrity. There is a gulf of disconnect between the small gaggle of nerds who are in the market for a book on this and the larger group who have no clue beyond an ignorant sort of grrr gons hat gons outlook.
Both those groups together add up to a tiny pool to be fishing in, are these kickstarters all just begging?
Jeff Edwards' writing is weak. He's basically a technical writer with no real turn of phrase, using the word hilarious for rice cakes.
I can't stay awake watching EvE, or imagine a book about it. EvE fiction is uniformly awful, with some of the clunkiest descriptive passages i've ever seen dropped into inert by-the-numbers listing of events.
Go ahead, call me negative, i see nothing here deserving thousands of dollars, just a low key attempt to milk.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
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Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2015.11.03 23:40:32 -
[41] - Quote
SINCE MY DIVORCE
ALL I WANT TO DO
IS DIE
I AM JUST SICK
AND TIRED
OF SITTING HERE
ALONE
AND HAVING
TO PLAY
WITH MYSELF
EVERYONE
JUST TAKES
WHAT YOU HAVE
AND THATS IT
NEVER TO HEAR
FROM THEM AGAIN |
Estelie Heyan
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.11.04 00:05:13 -
[42] - Quote
mech res wrote:Will the book not continue to sell after it is made? Or is it then given out for free? If it is to be sold who gets the money?
Generally partners share the costs and the profits. They also generally need to have aligned goals.
According to the Mittani.com, CCP and the mittani are partners in this with the author.
According to CCP Falcon, CCP is only allowing them to use the EVE name and related ip. Well he said they are allowing that. He technically didn't say that is all the involvement ccp has. I would be interested in knowing if CCP is partnering with the mittani.
The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing
1. Mittens is a trust fund babby and doesnt care about isk ingame/ out of game or making money from game
2. Why do pubbies wanna **** on somebody trying to do something good for this dying game
3. If it was a chribba or sugar kyle it wouldnt have nearly the same exposure/backing but all of your little grr goon hearts would feel better about it.
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SilentAsTheGrave
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Squids
363
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Posted - 2015.11.04 00:29:21 -
[43] - Quote
Estelie Heyan wrote:mech res wrote:Will the book not continue to sell after it is made? Or is it then given out for free? If it is to be sold who gets the money?
Generally partners share the costs and the profits. They also generally need to have aligned goals.
According to the Mittani.com, CCP and the mittani are partners in this with the author.
According to CCP Falcon, CCP is only allowing them to use the EVE name and related ip. Well he said they are allowing that. He technically didn't say that is all the involvement ccp has. I would be interested in knowing if CCP is partnering with the mittani. The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing 1. Mittens is a trust fund babby and doesnt care about isk ingame/ out of game or making money from game 2. Why do pubbies wanna **** on somebody trying to do something good for this dying game 3. If it was a chribba or sugar kyle it wouldnt have nearly the same exposure/backing but all of your little grr goon hearts would feel better about it.
I would not call RMT good for the game. |
Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise
Upholders
367
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Posted - 2015.11.04 00:41:59 -
[44] - Quote
Estelie Heyan wrote:2. Why do pubbies wanna **** on somebody trying to do something good for this dying game
Because literally nothing about EVE conditions us to trust someone at their word....
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Estelie Heyan
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 00:49:57 -
[45] - Quote
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:I would not call RMT good for the game.
You missed the part where he doesnt care about money. RMT is somebody taking their ingame assetts and trading them for USD, because they want USD.
Obviously the kickstarter thing is new territory because nobody has ever done this before, the stretch goal was changed and removed almost immediately but if you wanna keep on raging then knock yourself out. |
Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
239
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Posted - 2015.11.04 00:51:37 -
[46] - Quote
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Estelie Heyan wrote:mech res wrote:Will the book not continue to sell after it is made? Or is it then given out for free? If it is to be sold who gets the money?
Generally partners share the costs and the profits. They also generally need to have aligned goals.
According to the Mittani.com, CCP and the mittani are partners in this with the author.
According to CCP Falcon, CCP is only allowing them to use the EVE name and related ip. Well he said they are allowing that. He technically didn't say that is all the involvement ccp has. I would be interested in knowing if CCP is partnering with the mittani. The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing 1. Mittens is a trust fund babby and doesnt care about isk ingame/ out of game or making money from game 2. Why do pubbies wanna **** on somebody trying to do something good for this dying game 3. If it was a chribba or sugar kyle it wouldnt have nearly the same exposure/backing but all of your little grr goon hearts would feel better about it. I would not call RMT good for the game.
I am very very curious about how you define RMT. Maybe I am old fashioned but I define it as acquiring in game assets or advantage with cash outside of approved channels. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
6326
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Posted - 2015.11.04 00:58:35 -
[47] - Quote
Fanny-Basher wrote:while your on the topic of goons i belive ive read a post where it seems goons capture players ip addresses and try to narrow down who is who and ddos fc's and people when they need to it seems goons are rubbing alot of players up the wrong way also the ganking in hisec the punishments are not enough its crazy that hisec is not as safe as one would think or expect i unsubbed and just wanted to see if it was worth coming back :)
If you expected EVE High Sec to be safe then the only issue here is your incorrect expectations.
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
0
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Posted - 2015.11.04 00:59:36 -
[48] - Quote
Estelie Heyan wrote:mech res wrote:Will the book not continue to sell after it is made? Or is it then given out for free? If it is to be sold who gets the money?
Generally partners share the costs and the profits. They also generally need to have aligned goals.
According to the Mittani.com, CCP and the mittani are partners in this with the author.
According to CCP Falcon, CCP is only allowing them to use the EVE name and related ip. Well he said they are allowing that. He technically didn't say that is all the involvement ccp has. I would be interested in knowing if CCP is partnering with the mittani. The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing 1. Mittens is a trust fund babby and doesnt care about isk ingame/ out of game or making money from game 2. Why do pubbies wanna **** on somebody trying to do something good for this dying game 3. If it was a chribba or sugar kyle it wouldnt have nearly the same exposure/backing but all of your little grr goon hearts would feel better about it.
I'm not sure your post helps the thread.
1) Everyone cares about money. Mittani said he made some great big amount of money as a lawyer which meant he could retire. But I suspected he was a trust fund baby. Did he finally admit it?
2) More "grr goons" "pubbies" talk. Whatever that means now - are karmafleet "pubbies"?
3) Mittani has allot of fanatical cheerleaders - like yourself. But he also leaves a bad taste in allot of mouths and turns people off from eve. I hope ccp realizes that.
edit:
Estelie Heyan wrote:
You missed the part where he doesnt care about money. RMT is somebody taking their ingame assetts and trading them for USD, because they want USD.
Obviously the kickstarter thing is new territory because nobody has ever done this before, the stretch goal was changed and removed almost immediately but if you wanna keep on raging then knock yourself out.
Yeah sure, he doesn't care about money.
And the "kickstarter thing" was done before. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
270
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Posted - 2015.11.04 01:07:44 -
[49] - Quote
Estelie Heyan wrote:mech res wrote:Will the book not continue to sell after it is made? Or is it then given out for free? If it is to be sold who gets the money?
Generally partners share the costs and the profits. They also generally need to have aligned goals.
According to the Mittani.com, CCP and the mittani are partners in this with the author.
According to CCP Falcon, CCP is only allowing them to use the EVE name and related ip. Well he said they are allowing that. He technically didn't say that is all the involvement ccp has. I would be interested in knowing if CCP is partnering with the mittani. The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing 1. Mittens is a trust fund babby and doesnt care about isk ingame/ out of game or making money from game 2. Why do pubbies wanna **** on somebody trying to do something good for this dying game 3. If it was a chribba or sugar kyle it wouldnt have nearly the same exposure/backing but all of your little grr goon hearts would feel better about it.
It's just little people/players trying to piggy back on popular people/players.
Been around since the beginning.
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Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
172
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Posted - 2015.11.04 01:18:29 -
[50] - Quote
No its just the Mittani effect. You see it when he undocks and people sperg themselves trying to kill him. Post his name in the forums attached to something and you have an instantly polarized topic. It could be "The mittani prefers grape jelly to strawberry jam" and people will still go nuts.
The RMT claim is laughable when put into actual context as well. No items were sold and it wasnt a sustainable business model. It was a one time event that someone didnt think out very clearly first. Sh*t happens and people make mistakes.
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
270
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Posted - 2015.11.04 01:32:29 -
[51] - Quote
Nafensoriel wrote:No its just the Mittani effect. You see it when he undocks and people sperg themselves trying to kill him. Post his name in the forums attached to something and you have an instantly polarized topic. It could be "The mittani prefers grape jelly to strawberry jam" and people will still go nuts.
The RMT claim is laughable when put into actual context as well. No items were sold and it wasnt a sustainable business model. It was a one time event that someone didnt think out very clearly first. Sh*t happens and people make mistakes.
That's exactly what i described.
You see it in the real world with regular people and celebrities.
Been around since the beginning.
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Giaus Felix
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2015.11.04 01:34:57 -
[52] - Quote
mech res wrote:3) Mittani has allot of fanatical cheerleaders - like yourself. But he also leaves a bad taste in allot of mouths and turns people off from eve. I hope ccp realizes that. He's an ex corporate lawyer that has become the bastard adopted child of Ming the Merciless and Genghis Khan; what's not to love?
At the end of the day he plays an evil space tyrant and he's good at it, haters gonna hate.
I am Ralph's junk DNA.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point
DARKNESS.
892
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Posted - 2015.11.04 01:40:43 -
[53] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:mech res wrote:According to the Mittani, CCP is backing his book regarding his alliance evicting test. He has posted that CCP is supporting and backing this project.
I am curious if this is more than just moral support. From what I see it appears to mostly be that. But it goes beyond that, I would like to know how much support CCP is giving to this player's endeavors.
Here is an example of a quote from the mittani:
"When CCP, Jeff Edwards and The Mittani Media decided to collaborate in writing science fiction thrillers based on the stories created in EVE Online, we knew that this would be only the first of many epic stories we would tell. Combining the remarkable writing talent of Jeff Edwards with the strength and support of CCP Games and The Mittani Media, this book is destined to captivate science fiction, action, suspense, and military fiction fans everywhere." they better write about how I extracted goontears in VFK for months, the fountain war, just a reason to escape my torpedos
You must be new to how mittens "narrates".
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
0
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Posted - 2015.11.04 02:53:12 -
[54] - Quote
First nothing mittani does in game causes distaste. People can play eve how they like.
Giaus Felix wrote:mech res wrote:3) Mittani has allot of fanatical cheerleaders - like yourself. But he also leaves a bad taste in allot of mouths and turns people off from eve. I hope ccp realizes that. He's an ex corporate lawyer that has become the bastard adopted space child of Ming the Merciless and Genghis Khan; what's not to love? At the end of the day he plays an evil space tyrant and he's good at it, haters gonna hate.
Ah yeah the whole successful corporate attorney yarn. It doesn't matter what people do out of game, but Mittani uses those claims to promote himself. Of course if you challenge his claims then you are accused of attacking someone personally.
Anyway I would still like to know if what CCP Falcon said was the full extent of ccp's "partnership" with the mittani. |
Chapmonious Hunter
Pwn 'N Play
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
90
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Posted - 2015.11.04 03:08:53 -
[55] - Quote
Posting in not so subtle "grrr goons" thread |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16876
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Posted - 2015.11.04 03:40:48 -
[56] - Quote
Aiwha wrote:Harry Forever wrote:mech res wrote:According to the Mittani, CCP is backing his book regarding his alliance evicting test. He has posted that CCP is supporting and backing this project.
I am curious if this is more than just moral support. From what I see it appears to mostly be that. But it goes beyond that, I would like to know how much support CCP is giving to this player's endeavors.
Here is an example of a quote from the mittani:
"When CCP, Jeff Edwards and The Mittani Media decided to collaborate in writing science fiction thrillers based on the stories created in EVE Online, we knew that this would be only the first of many epic stories we would tell. Combining the remarkable writing talent of Jeff Edwards with the strength and support of CCP Games and The Mittani Media, this book is destined to captivate science fiction, action, suspense, and military fiction fans everywhere." they better write about how I extracted goontears in VFK for months, the fountain war, just a reason to escape my torpedos You must be new to how mittens "narrates".
His getting into the book isn't all that far fetched, after all, we did take him with us on deployments.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
6451
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Posted - 2015.11.04 03:47:36 -
[57] - Quote
Removed an off topic post.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
202
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Posted - 2015.11.04 03:50:24 -
[58] - Quote
Maybe if the F1 monkeys went out and created content they too can be in a position to do something like this.
But we know they will just make dumb-ass posts and QQ to anyone who will listen. While waiting for someone else to create content for them.
Obligatory Grrrr Goons. |
Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
55
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Posted - 2015.11.04 06:27:58 -
[59] - Quote
SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Estelie Heyan wrote:mech res wrote:Will the book not continue to sell after it is made? Or is it then given out for free? If it is to be sold who gets the money?
Generally partners share the costs and the profits. They also generally need to have aligned goals.
According to the Mittani.com, CCP and the mittani are partners in this with the author.
According to CCP Falcon, CCP is only allowing them to use the EVE name and related ip. Well he said they are allowing that. He technically didn't say that is all the involvement ccp has. I would be interested in knowing if CCP is partnering with the mittani. The amount of stupid in this thread is amazing 1. Mittens is a trust fund babby and doesnt care about isk ingame/ out of game or making money from game 2. Why do pubbies wanna **** on somebody trying to do something good for this dying game 3. If it was a chribba or sugar kyle it wouldnt have nearly the same exposure/backing but all of your little grr goon hearts would feel better about it. I would not call RMT good for the game.
Your stupid is showing. You may want to cover it up. |
Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
441
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Posted - 2015.11.04 08:07:53 -
[60] - Quote
Just watch. He'll dupe as many people as the PLEX sellers.
Fear of death follows from fear of life. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time. -Mark Twain -
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25623
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Posted - 2015.11.04 10:23:30 -
[61] - Quote
mech res wrote:Anyway I would still like to know if what CCP Falcon said was the full extent of ccp's "partnership" with the mittani. TBH the extent of CCP's partnerships with other businesses is none of your damn business.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
163
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Posted - 2015.11.04 10:34:29 -
[62] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:mech res wrote:Anyway I would still like to know if what CCP Falcon said was the full extent of ccp's "partnership" with the mittani. TBH the extent of CCP's partnerships with other businesses is none of your damn business.
That would be true if those businesses were not playing (in fact dominating large areas of) the game itself.
Disclaimer : Just making this point, I have no position on the accusation of RMTing etc.
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
241
|
Posted - 2015.11.04 10:51:40 -
[63] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:mech res wrote:Anyway I would still like to know if what CCP Falcon said was the full extent of ccp's "partnership" with the mittani. TBH the extent of CCP's partnerships with other businesses is none of your damn business. That would be true if those businesses were not playing (in fact dominating large areas of) the game itself. Disclaimer : Just making this point, I have no position on the accusation of RMTing etc.
Can you develop that point further?
The only advantage I can see that their presence ingame has in this case is access to a large community that might be interested in the product. I guess you could argue that having CCP's support for a commercial venture might mean something, but this project isn't being done by nor will it benefit an in-game entity as a whole. It is a project being done by a handful of individuals who happen to be Goons.
I don't actually see how there is anything happening here that is more unethical than the last EVE themed book kickstarter. The only difference I can see are the people who are driving the project.
Seriously, where was all this handwringing when the 'A History' book kicked off? |
Portmanteau
oooh ponies
163
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Posted - 2015.11.04 11:05:33 -
[64] - Quote
Aoife Fraoch wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:mech res wrote:Anyway I would still like to know if what CCP Falcon said was the full extent of ccp's "partnership" with the mittani. TBH the extent of CCP's partnerships with other businesses is none of your damn business. That would be true if those businesses were not playing (in fact dominating large areas of) the game itself. Disclaimer : Just making this point, I have no position on the accusation of RMTing etc. Can you develop that point further? The only advantage I can see that their presence ingame has in this case is access to a large community that might be interested in the product. I guess you could argue that having CCP's support for a commercial venture might mean something, but this project isn't being done by nor will it benefit an in-game entity as a whole. It is a project being done by a handful of individuals who happen to be Goons. I don't actually see how there is anything happening here that is more unethical than the last EVE themed book kickstarter. The only difference I can see are the people who are driving the project. Seriously, where was all this handwringing when the 'A History' book kicked off?
Well, the main individual happens to be the head of the largest player entity in the game so I don't think you can merely sweep him aside as just another individual, he clearly isn't. As I said I have no position on whether selling mittens corpses for $200 or in fact roams with Mittens constitutes RMT. I am just pointing out that where the finer details of CCP's relationship with Sony may be none of our business, their business relationship with such a prominent player may well be our business (even if he doesn't log in  )
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Ultim8Evil
30plus
Fidelas Constans
273
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Posted - 2015.11.04 11:32:14 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Does this actually cost anything?
Or is it a case of "hey CCP, I'm thinking of writing a book about your game which will be beneficial to both of us... can I?"
Follow me on Twitter for literally no good reason @TheUltim8Evil
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Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
241
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Posted - 2015.11.04 11:41:31 -
[66] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:Aoife Fraoch wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:mech res wrote:Anyway I would still like to know if what CCP Falcon said was the full extent of ccp's "partnership" with the mittani. TBH the extent of CCP's partnerships with other businesses is none of your damn business. That would be true if those businesses were not playing (in fact dominating large areas of) the game itself. Disclaimer : Just making this point, I have no position on the accusation of RMTing etc. Can you develop that point further? The only advantage I can see that their presence ingame has in this case is access to a large community that might be interested in the product. I guess you could argue that having CCP's support for a commercial venture might mean something, but this project isn't being done by nor will it benefit an in-game entity as a whole. It is a project being done by a handful of individuals who happen to be Goons. I don't actually see how there is anything happening here that is more unethical than the last EVE themed book kickstarter. The only difference I can see are the people who are driving the project. Seriously, where was all this handwringing when the 'A History' book kicked off? Well, the main individual happens to be the head of the largest player entity in the game so I don't think you can merely sweep him aside as just another individual, he clearly isn't. As I said I have no position on whether selling mittens corpses for $200 or in fact roams with Mittens constitutes RMT. I am just pointing out that where the finer details of CCP's relationship with Sony may be none of our business, their business relationship with such a prominent player may well be our business (even if he doesn't log in )
I think that corpse thing has already disappeared (as it probably should, it seems pretty close to the line, I never actually saw it on the page) otherwise I am not sure it is anything more than a potential PR problem for CCP.
The roams are an interesting one, as there are other virtual/online interactions on that list which presumably are ok.
But mittens is another individual, and one who has some kind of media interest outside of EVE. And in that context, the relationship between him and CCP should be straight forward. Aside from his notoriety there is little else from with in EVE he can leverage for this.
From CCP's perspective this is a bit of a win-win. An external party is taking on the risk of funding what is essentially a pilot for a a serious of books on he ingame history of EVE, where the worst thing that might happen is that the project self destructs messily.
This one will be interesting to watch. |
Commander Spurty
Moosearmy
I N G L O R I O U S
1580
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Posted - 2015.11.04 11:49:19 -
[67] - Quote
Well killboard will be removed from existence if the story belongs to someone not willing to share.
So whatcha gonna do when they come for your killboards?
*SNORK*
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Spurty
Moosearmy
I N G L O R I O U S
1581
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Posted - 2015.11.04 11:49:19 -
[68] - Quote
Well killboard will be removed from existence if the story belongs to someone not willing to share.
So whatcha gonna do when they come for your killboards?
*SNORK*
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
163
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Posted - 2015.11.04 11:51:42 -
[69] - Quote
Aoife Fraoch wrote:
I think that corpse thing has already disappeared (as it probably should, it seems pretty close to the line, I never actually saw it on the page) otherwise I am not sure it is anything more than a potential PR problem for CCP.
The roams are an interesting one, as there are other virtual/online interactions on that list which presumably are ok.
But mittens is another individual, and one who has some kind of media interest outside of EVE. And in that context, the relationship between him and CCP should be straight forward. Aside from his notoriety there is little else from with in EVE he can leverage for this.
From CCP's perspective this is a bit of a win-win. An external party is taking on the risk of funding what is essentially a pilot for a a serious of books on he ingame history of EVE, where the worst thing that might happen is that the project self destructs messily.
This one will be interesting to watch.
I can see not taking a position on the RMTing issue will be next to impossible (I really just wanted to point out the difference between the playerbase's "right" to know about CCP interaction with a company like Sony and a company/individual such as themittani.com/Mittens).
So I'll just say this, the corpse for $200 is a physical in game item for money and I think that's RMT and the fact it has been so quickly changed confirms it as such. The "roam with Mittens" deal is less obvious as you very nicely put it, it's an "interaction" rather than a physical item. Well my view is that if EvEisEasy sell advice on pvp for subscription fees is RMT then so is selling a roam with Mittens. Whether either of those actions are dterimental to the game is another debate (I think both have/had the potential to increasse the playerbase through favorable exposure) it's just CCP have basically set a precedent with their actions towards EvEisEasy so...
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kommer
Five-0
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 12:20:56 -
[70] - Quote
Please support the crapstarter project of a failed lawyer who found a new income feasting off of a once great game. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25626
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Posted - 2015.11.04 12:24:59 -
[71] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:mech res wrote:Anyway I would still like to know if what CCP Falcon said was the full extent of ccp's "partnership" with the mittani. TBH the extent of CCP's partnerships with other businesses is none of your damn business. That would be true if those businesses were not playing (in fact dominating large areas of) the game itself. Disclaimer : Just making this point, I have no position on the accusation of RMTing etc. That's as maybe, but it's still none of our business.
CCP have done a deal with Mittani Media, which is a business whose CEO happens to play Eve. CCP have done the same in the past, they did a deal with Sony Online Entertainment, which is a business whose CEO at the time happened to play Eve.
IIRC the CEO of Sony Online Entertainment was a Goon (GrrGäó) yet there were no demands to know the extent of the partnership between Sony and CCP, despite him being a member of a group that dominates large areas of the game, which is incidentally the same group that is causing so much hand-wringing where the current deal is concerned.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Reiisha
Repracor Industries
779
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Posted - 2015.11.04 12:37:08 -
[72] - Quote
mech res wrote:Nafensoriel wrote:Yeah its getting mildly disturbing that people today assume all game IP lore doesn't belong to the developer. They own the EVE world.. to do anything EVE related CCP needs to give you their nod of approval or explicitly state you can play in their proverbial sandbox of dreams.
Also Mittens Gets Kittens.
Oh come on.. admit it Kittens even make putin look soft and cuddly. Grr goons to aww kittens. CCP can legally do what it wants with its property. That includes spawning and giving certain alliances perks like tech 2 bpos, or supporting their propaganda efforts to promote themselves or their alliances. But that doesn't mean CCP should do those things. And I think players are within their rights to at least ask what extent ccp is doing this.
You do realize that it's been nearly 10 years and everyone involved has since moved on from either CCP or EVE entirely....
I would commend your effort for this trolling attempt, but honestly? This is just sad and dissappointing. F-. Try harder next time.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Always Shi
t Posting
0
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Posted - 2015.11.04 12:40:41 -
[73] - Quote
kommer wrote:kommer
Five-0
Likes received: 1
And so it shall remain. |
kommer
Five-0
2
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Posted - 2015.11.04 13:40:19 -
[74] - Quote
Always Shi wrote:kommer wrote:kommer
Five-0
Likes received: 1 And so it shall remain.
I don't think you can count, cowboy. Support the failed lawyer and his god awful, self-aggrandizing story book. |
Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2015.11.04 13:48:17 -
[75] - Quote
SINCE MY DIVORCE
ALL I WANT TO DO
IS DIE
I AM JUST SICK
AND TIRED
OF SITTING HERE
ALONE
AND HAVING
TO PLAY
WITH MYSELF
EVERYONE
JUST TAKES
WHAT YOU HAVE
AND THATS IT
NEVER TO HEAR
FROM THEM AGAIN |
mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
0
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Posted - 2015.11.04 14:53:23 -
[76] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:mech res wrote:Anyway I would still like to know if what CCP Falcon said was the full extent of ccp's "partnership" with the mittani. TBH the extent of CCP's partnerships with other businesses is none of your damn business.
That depends what you mean. Sure CCP is not legally obligated to tell players if they are supporting certain in game groups and not others in their propaganda efforts. Like I said before, they would not be legally obligated to tell players they are spawning certain items to benefit certain alliances or their leaders. Does that mean that is none of our business as players?
It was the mittani.com that publicized how CCP is "partnering" with him, and supporting his propaganda book. So why can't I ask about the details?
And like I said if the extent of ccp's support is allowing him to use the EVE IP in the book then I am glad they did it - so long as they would do that for others. I am just wondering if that is all ccp is doing to partner with the mittani.
And before anyone says this is not propaganda and it is going to be "fair and balanced" please note if you pay money you will get a whole chapter about yourself. Money talks, and this author is going to paint mittani just how mittani wants himself painted. So yeah I am curious the extent that CCP is a "partner" in this. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12882
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kommer wrote:Please support the crapstarter project of a failed lawyer who found a new income feasting off of a once great game.
With this amount of bitterness over a video game that the poster has no tangible stake in, I'm willing to bet that this poster has visited a real life mental health professional at least once. I would pay real life money to have a look at that professional's notes on the encounter lol. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25638
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:04:53 -
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mech res wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:TBH the extent of CCP's partnerships with other businesses is none of your damn business.
That depends what you mean. Sure CCP is not legally obligated to tell players if they are supporting certain in game groups and not others in their propaganda efforts. Like I said before, they would not be legally obligated to tell players they are spawning certain items to benefit certain alliances or their leaders. Does that mean that is none of our business as players? You need to separate The Mittani as a character, and The Mittani as a business/brand. CCP aren't supporting the character, they are participating in a deal with third party businesses that stands to benefit all those involved.
CCP get advertising and the stories from within their game spread to a wider audience.
Jeff Edwards gets to write a book that covers a couple of genres including Sci-Fi and historical events, with a pool of ready made consumers.
The Mittani brand gets exposure as a media outlet and enhances its reputation.
What they're not doing is helping the CEO of one of those businesses in game.
Quote:It was the mittani.com that publicized how CCP is "partnering" with him, and supporting his propaganda book. So why can't I ask about the details? You can, it's still none of your business though.
Quote:And like I said if the extent of ccp's support is allowing him to use the EVE IP in the book then I am glad they did it - so long as they would do that for others. I am just wondering if that is all ccp is doing to partner with the mittani. If others can come up with the same kind of case to be allowed to use CCPs IP then I have no doubt that CCP will do the same. Obviously his knowledge of how stuff works at CCP has allowed him to pitch it at the right people, but I would consider that due diligence when dealing business to business.
Mittens has managed to get a renowned military thriller writer on board, they've got the funding planned, have presented CCP with the possible benefits, he already owns a pretty popular media outlet where it can be advertised and he has presented it to CCP. From the sounds of it he made a pretty convincing case.
Quote:And before anyone says this is not propaganda and it is going to be "fair and balanced" please note if you pay money you will get a whole chapter about yourself. Money talks, and this author is going to paint mittani just how mittani wants himself painted. So yeah I am curious the extent that CCP is a "partner" in this. It's a work of science fiction (science faction?) based on actual events that happened in a virtual dystopia that is known for being a brutal dog eat dog universe, fair and balanced don't come into it. History is written by the winners, and The Fountain War is history.
As for buying your own chapter? So what? The business partnership exists to make money.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
6327
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:15:45 -
[79] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:mech res wrote:Anyway I would still like to know if what CCP Falcon said was the full extent of ccp's "partnership" with the mittani. TBH the extent of CCP's partnerships with other businesses is none of your damn business. That would be true if those businesses were not playing (in fact dominating large areas of) the game itself. Disclaimer : Just making this point, I have no position on the accusation of RMTing etc.
That would make it the Internal Affairs departments business, not ours.
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
0
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:45:05 -
[80] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:mech res wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:TBH the extent of CCP's partnerships with other businesses is none of your damn business.
That depends what you mean. Sure CCP is not legally obligated to tell players if they are supporting certain in game groups and not others in their propaganda efforts. Like I said before, they would not be legally obligated to tell players they are spawning certain items to benefit certain alliances or their leaders. Does that mean that is none of our business as players? You need to separate The Mittani as a character, and The Mittani as a business/brand. CCP aren't supporting the character, they are participating in a deal with third party businesses that stands to benefit all those involved.
That is just silly. Just because The Mittani paid $80 to incorporate that does not mean we should treat it as separate. If it were "eveiseasy inc." do you think they would have different rules?
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
CCP get advertising and the stories from within their game spread to a wider audience.....What they're not doing is helping the CEO of one of those businesses in game.
This is true with just about any third party business such as eveiseasy or different apps that work for eve. Why is ccp bending the rules for the mittani?
And yes putting out propaganda for an eve corporation does help that corporation and their leadership. Especially when ccp will partner with them and bend the rmt rules for to help them make real money out of it.
Ranger 1 wrote:
That would make it the Internal Affairs departments business, not ours.
It is our business as players if that department is creating double standards for other players. If eveiseasy can't make real money from ingame services why can mittani do this with his roams? Again they are not legally required to tell us this information but it is a players business to know if they bend the rules of the game/eula for some but not others. Just common decency would dictate that a game company not give special privileges to certain players and not others. |
Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
476
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:57:40 -
[81] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:CCP have done a deal with Mittani Media, which is a business whose CEO happens to play Eve. CCP have done the same in the past, they did a deal with Sony Online Entertainment, which is a business whose CEO at the time happened to play Eve.
IIRC the CEO of Sony Online Entertainment was a Goon (GrrGäó) or in a closely associated corp, yet there were no demands to know the extent of the partnership between Sony and CCP, despite him being a member of a group that dominates large areas of the game, which is incidentally the same group that is causing so much hand-wringing where the current deal is concerned.
TL;DR It's none of your business.
Just a point of clarification: CCP never did a deal with Sony Online Entertainment, their deal was with Sony Computer Entertainment. They're two wholly different companies with SCE being the parent company of SOE before selling it off a few months ago..
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
165
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Posted - 2015.11.04 16:58:40 -
[82] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:CCP have done a deal with Mittani Media, which is a business whose CEO happens to play Eve. CCP have done the same in the past, they did a deal with Sony Online Entertainment, which is a business whose CEO at the time happened to play Eve.
IIRC the CEO of Sony Online Entertainment was a Goon (GrrGäó) or in a closely associated corp, yet there were no demands to know the extent of the partnership between Sony and CCP, despite him being a member of a group that dominates large areas of the game, which is incidentally the same group that is causing so much hand-wringing where the current deal is concerned.
TL;DR It's none of your business.
DUST514 was not published by Sony Online Entertainment, it was published by CCP and Sony *COMPUTER* entertainment, Hope this helps.  |
Desimus Maximus
Sanity Forgotten
inPanic
218
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:05:36 -
[83] - Quote
Tech moons to build stupid ridiculous space wealth.
T2 BPOs to build even more stupidly insane space wealth.
...
The question should be, what has CCP not given Mittens? |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12885
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:09:10 -
[84] - Quote
The amazing thing about this and the other complaints constantly filled here is that these grievances generate enough outrage on the part of the poster to warrant posting about it, trying to get people riled up and in agreement.....
...But somehow this outrageous thing is not outrageous enough to make them want to stop giving this supposedly horrible game company their money. I simply don't get it, people like this are literally saying "I don't trust you because what you are doing si underhanded, , oh and btw heres 15 bucks, enjoy!". |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25643
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:12:17 -
[85] - Quote
mech res wrote:That is just silly. Just because The Mittani paid $80 to incorporate that does not mean we should treat it as separate. As far as the law and society are concerned they are separate entities, so no it's not silly at all.
Quote:If it were "eveiseasy inc." do you think they would have different rules? ....
...This is true with just about any third party business such as eveiseasy or different apps that work for eve. Why is ccp bending the rules for the mittani? I'm unaware of the Eveiseasy monetisation plan or what went down there, did he present it to CCP for approval, or did he just go ahead and do it?
Quote:And yes putting out propaganda for an eve corporation does help that corporation and their leadership. Bearing in mind that far more people enjoy reading about Eve than playing it; how is it propaganda and how does it help a specific corporation and its leadership beyond exposing them to a wider audience?
Quote:Especially when ccp will partner with them and bend the rmt rules for to help them make real money out of it. It's RMT when you exceed the bounds of any approval you do have as happened with Somer Blink, or you do it without CCP approval at all. The fact that CCP have approved this means that it isn't RMT.
Quote:
It is our business as players if that department is creating double standards for other players. If eveiseasy can't make real money from ingame services why can mittani do this with his roams? Again they are not legally required to tell us this information but it is a players business to know if they bend the rules of the game/eula for some but not others. Just common decency would dictate that a game company not give special privileges to certain players and not others.
If you believe the rules are being bent or that favour is being given, inform the CCP internal affairs department, that is their bailiwick.
Edit, it looks like I made an error in a previous post by confusing SOE with SCE; my bad  TY for the correction Hendrick Tallardar & Portmanteau
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
6330
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:15:07 -
[86] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:The amazing thing about this and the other complaints constantly filled here is that these grievances generate enough outrage on the part of the poster to warrant posting about it, trying to get people riled up and in agreement.....
...But somehow this outrageous thing is not outrageous enough to make them want to stop giving this supposedly horrible game company their money. I simply don't get it, people like this are literally saying "I don't trust you because what you are doing si underhanded, , oh and btw heres 15 bucks, enjoy!".
Heh, true.
Perhaps they would feel differently if they actually had a shred of proof indicating something dishonest was occurring, although I doubt it.
Somebody nudge me if this thread ever elevates beyond wild, baseless speculation.
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
168
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:16:52 -
[87] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:mech res wrote:Anyway I would still like to know if what CCP Falcon said was the full extent of ccp's "partnership" with the mittani. TBH the extent of CCP's partnerships with other businesses is none of your damn business. That would be true if those businesses were not playing (in fact dominating large areas of) the game itself. Disclaimer : Just making this point, I have no position on the accusation of RMTing etc. That would make it the Internal Affairs departments business, not ours.
I would suggest if you or someone else has proof that something inappropriate is occurring, speak up now.However if all you have to offer is simply insisting you should be privy to the details of a game companies private business dealings, because you think that you are entitled to confidential information simply because you are a customer, then it's time to stop wasting everyone's time.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318670671/fountain-war-book
Quote:Pledge $200 or more
1 backer Limited (49 left of 50)
ROAM NEW EDEN WITH THE MITTANI
Join The Mittani in a romp across space. Warning: your safety is not guaranteed.
If Eveiseasy were not allowed to sell pvp advice then this surely constitutes a similar breach of the EULA, they've already changed the $200 pledge reward from a mittens corpse (selling an actual in game item for R/L cash).
I would say the fact that they've not once but twice broken the EULA in ways that have seen other groups penalised is enough to raise a few legitimate questions about CCP giving themittani.com privileged status. The possibility that probably checked with CCP when they changed the corpse to a roam with mittani raises further questions about said privileged status.
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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
2640
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:18:20 -
[88] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:What's worrisome is with the monetization of eve player stories, expressing your opinion of what took place in your personal eve history will open you up to legal action.
How far is this going to go? Will lawyers be patrolling reddit, mmorpg forums demanding moderators take down AARs and commentaries of battles and strategic actions because this or that guy wrote a book that covers what you're talking about?
Will there be copyright infringement actions taking place because eve players go into detail regarding their experiences or their perception of actions that took place?
Hit with libel for contradicting the written words of authors with their own idea of what actually took place?
How far down does this rabbit hole go?
Questions for you...
Does this happen on fandom subreddits?
Does this happen on Deviant Art?
Does this happen to shippers?
Does this happen to individual fanfic writers?
No? That's what I thought.
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
[#savethelance]
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:20:56 -
[89] - Quote
The whole issue of whether this goes through a third party corporation is completely irrelevant. Again if it is "eveiseasy inc." does that mean they can get cash for their in game services?
I like the argument that if CCP approves the rmt then its not rmt. In other words yes expect that CCP will give double/triple standards because they are not going to set any standards.
The t2 bpos were given to BOB not goons. The Mittani has often decried this unfair advantage given to his enemy. Of course, BOB used their isk to conduct exciting wars that the NY Times used to do write ups about. So maybe from a PR perspective CCP supporting BOB would be justified and none of our business as players?
The moons are part of the game no problem there.
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
168
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:21:19 -
[90] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:The amazing thing about this and the other complaints constantly filled here is that these grievances generate enough outrage on the part of the poster to warrant posting about it, trying to get people riled up and in agreement.....
...But somehow this outrageous thing is not outrageous enough to make them want to stop giving this supposedly horrible game company their money. I simply don't get it, people like this are literally saying "I don't trust you because what you are doing si underhanded, , oh and btw heres 15 bucks, enjoy!".
And if people just came in here making ragequit posts before asking questions and getting answers you'd point out they were being stupid quitting over something they had no proof was even happening. Asking questions about a game you enjoy playing before you rashly quit is a reasonable response Jenn.
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Giaus Felix
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:23:16 -
[91] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:That would make it the Internal Affairs departments business, not ours.
I would suggest if you or someone else has proof that something inappropriate is occurring, speak up now.
However if all you have to offer is simply insisting you should be privy to the details of a game companies private business dealings, because you think that you are entitled to confidential information simply because you are a customer, then it's time to stop wasting everyone's time. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1318670671/fountain-war-book
Quote:Pledge $200 or more
1 backer Limited (49 left of 50)
ROAM NEW EDEN WITH THE MITTANI
Join The Mittani in a romp across space. Warning: your safety is not guaranteed. If Eveiseasy were not allowed to sell pvp advice then this surely constitutes a similar breach of the EULA, they've already changed the $200 pledge reward from a mittens corpse (selling an actual in game item for R/L cash). I would say the fact that they've not once but twice broken the EULA in ways that have seen other groups penalised is enough to raise a few legitimate questions about CCP giving themittani.com privileged status. The possibility that probably checked with CCP when they changed the corpse to a roam with mittani raises further questions about said privileged status. Have you reported it to the Internal Affairs Dept? If not, why not?
I am Ralph's junk DNA.
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
168
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:24:57 -
[92] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I'm unaware of the Eveiseasy monetisation plan or what went down there, did he present it to CCP for approval, or did he just go ahead and do it?
Does it make a difference? The CCP's reaction to EiE making money off of pvp advice set a precedent. Does asking CCP first make it ok for one group rather than another ? Does CCP allowing one group to do it and not another not give the impression of privileged status for the group they allow to do it ?
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:27:59 -
[93] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
Somebody nudge me if this thread ever elevates beyond wild, baseless speculation.
Did you not see the kickstarter campaign?
I don't know that ccp should prevent people from getting real money for in game services like eveiseasy or roams with mittani. But if they prevent one person from doing it then they should apply the same rules to everyone.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25643
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:31:12 -
[94] - Quote
mech res wrote:I like the argument that if CCP approves the rmt then its not rmt. Arguably, in a broad sense, it could be considered RMT, so I'll rephrase it just for you.
It's illegal RMT when you exceed the bounds of any approval you do have as happened with Somer Blink, or you do it without CCP approval at all. The fact that CCP have approved this means that it is legal RMT.
Legal and illegal being defined by CCP.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25643
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:33:36 -
[95] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I'm unaware of the Eveiseasy monetisation plan or what went down there, did he present it to CCP for approval, or did he just go ahead and do it?
Does it make a difference? The CCP's reaction to EiE making money off of pvp advice set a precedent. Does asking CCP first make it ok for one group rather than another ? Does CCP allowing one group to do it and not another not give the impression of privileged status for the group they allow to do it ? It makes all the difference in the world, if he didn't go to CCP then he falls foul of the rules, if he did go to CCP and then exceeded the limits of any approval he may have gotten, then he falls foul of the rules.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12886
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:41:16 -
[96] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The amazing thing about this and the other complaints constantly filled here is that these grievances generate enough outrage on the part of the poster to warrant posting about it, trying to get people riled up and in agreement.....
...But somehow this outrageous thing is not outrageous enough to make them want to stop giving this supposedly horrible game company their money. I simply don't get it, people like this are literally saying "I don't trust you because what you are doing si underhanded, , oh and btw heres 15 bucks, enjoy!". And if people just came in here making ragequit posts before asking questions and getting answers you'd point out they were being stupid quitting over something they had no proof was even happening. Asking questions about a game you enjoy playing before you rashly quit is a reasonable response Jenn.
You know that the people making the complaints never quit.
On top of that, the OP isn't asking a question, he already believes "foul play" is occurring. And he's said nothing about leaving or refusing to give CCP money. That's the point, if you don't like what a company does (notice the OPs use of the term "double standard"), your choice is 'give them more money/stop giving them money' and that's it.
Threads like these aren't some kind of public service, they are attempts at manipulation, fueled by what looks an awful lot like prejudice against a certain group (Goons) and/or outright jealousy.. The subject under discussion is no one's business except CCP and whatever Mittens wants to call his company.
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
168
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:42:23 -
[97] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
I'm unaware of the Eveiseasy monetisation plan or what went down there, did he present it to CCP for approval, or did he just go ahead and do it?
Does it make a difference? The CCP's reaction to EiE making money off of pvp advice set a precedent. Does asking CCP first make it ok for one group rather than another ? Does CCP allowing one group to do it and not another not give the impression of privileged status for the group they allow to do it ? It makes all the difference in the world, if he didn't go to CCP then he falls foul of the rules, if he did go to CCP and then exceeded the limits of any approval he may have gotten, then he falls foul of the rules.
So it's ok because CCP <3 mittens but didn't <3 Garmon et al. Sorry but as players, when we see CEO's of EvE powerblocs ask if they can break the EULA and get told by CCP "sure, no problem" (if that happened, we don't know) I'd say that's even worse since CCP have knowingly bestowed privileged status upon a player/group of players.
*again, we do not know if this happened which is why we are asking*
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
168
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:44:16 -
[98] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The amazing thing about this and the other complaints constantly filled here is that these grievances generate enough outrage on the part of the poster to warrant posting about it, trying to get people riled up and in agreement.....
...But somehow this outrageous thing is not outrageous enough to make them want to stop giving this supposedly horrible game company their money. I simply don't get it, people like this are literally saying "I don't trust you because what you are doing si underhanded, , oh and btw heres 15 bucks, enjoy!". And if people just came in here making ragequit posts before asking questions and getting answers you'd point out they were being stupid quitting over something they had no proof was even happening. Asking questions about a game you enjoy playing before you rashly quit is a reasonable response Jenn. You know that the people making the complaints never quit. On top of that, the OP isn't asking a question, he already believes "foul play" is occurring. And he's said nothing about leaving or refusing to give CCP money. That's the point, if you don't like what a company does (notice the OPs use of the term "double standard"), your choice is 'give them more money/stop giving them money' and that's it. Threads like these aren't some kind of public service, they are attempts at manipulation, fueled by what looks an awful lot like prejudice against a certain group (Goons) and/or outright jealousy.. The subject under discussion is no one's business except CCP and whatever Mittens wants to call his company.
I'll respectfully disagree and leave it at that
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12886
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:48:25 -
[99] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:
So it's ok because CCP <3 mittens but didn't <3 Garmon et al.
If that's how they want to do it, then yea it's ok. Their company, their game, their rules, when they do something i don't like i'll stop paying them, if they actually harm me in some way (I don't know how, this is a video game) then i'd sue them in some Icelandic Court.
But this childish attempt at starting some kind of online witch hunt because people don't like some slightly bearded internet dude is stupid. If "EVEiseasy" has a complaint about this, they also should take it up with that Icelandic Court named in the EULA. |
Portmanteau
oooh ponies
168
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Posted - 2015.11.04 17:55:31 -
[100] - Quote
Why the obsession with legalities ? This is surely more to do with the players' perception of whether CCP favours in game players/groups and it's a perception they take seriously, hence the formation of the CSM after T2bpogate.
This "take it up with Icelandic courts" stuff is a massive strawman |
mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 18:00:24 -
[101] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The amazing thing about this and the other complaints constantly filled here is that these grievances generate enough outrage on the part of the poster to warrant posting about it, trying to get people riled up and in agreement.....
...But somehow this outrageous thing is not outrageous enough to make them want to stop giving this supposedly horrible game company their money. I simply don't get it, people like this are literally saying "I don't trust you because what you are doing si underhanded, , oh and btw heres 15 bucks, enjoy!". And if people just came in here making ragequit posts before asking questions and getting answers you'd point out they were being stupid quitting over something they had no proof was even happening. Asking questions about a game you enjoy playing before you rashly quit is a reasonable response Jenn. You know that the people making the complaints never quit. On top of that, the OP isn't asking a question, he already believes "foul play" is occurring. And he's said nothing about leaving or refusing to give CCP money. That's the point, if you don't like what a company does (notice the OPs use of the term "double standard"), your choice is 'give them more money/stop giving them money' and that's it. Threads like these aren't some kind of public service, they are attempts at manipulation, fueled by what looks an awful lot like prejudice against a certain group (Goons) and/or outright jealousy.. The subject under discussion is no one's business except CCP and whatever Mittens wants to call his company.
I asked what ccp gave the mittani. CCP Falcon said they gave rights to the ip to use in the book. He didn't say that was all they gave. I am not sure if that is all they gave, so I am asking.
Then this issue of rmt came up and I was not aware that eveiseasy was prevented from getting real money for their in game services. I am not sure they should have been, but if they were, then it would seem the mittani should play by the same rules. Maybe allowing him to rmt these roam was also part of the deal, I don't know so that is another question.
You may like the mittani or like the idea of this book, but even you I would hope, can understand that ccp should not give him special rights to break rules they set up for other players. Rather than disparage people who ask for an explanation, maybe you can explain why what eveiseasy was doing is different than mittani taking money for roams.
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Ao Kishuba
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
44
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Posted - 2015.11.04 18:08:54 -
[102] - Quote
You people commenting on the Mittani's real life ought to be ashamed. You are no better than mittens, nor than the organization of self-proclaimed doxxers he supports. This is for EVE discussion, and being angry does not make you immune to the rules anymore than being space-important would.
If the issue is with RMT on kickstarter, keep it that way; otherwise, you're just supporting the CFC by diluting the topic and derailing the thread.
The issue at hand has been pretty well covered by other posts. The evidence is known, and CCP can act as they well please. We players can only wait for their decision at this point. If we don't like their reaction, we can make a big stink about it then. Anything beyond that would be at best pointless, wild speculation at this time. |
Estelie Heyan
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 18:24:20 -
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This entire thread is moot because nothing has changed hands. The Kickstarter doesn't close for almost 5 weeks. Until then The Mittani can't collect the money, so nothing so far has been exchanged. At best it's a gentleman's agreement that either party has plenty of time to alter or back out of.
The stretch goal was changed, obviously it was a misunderstanding about what can and cant be offered to backers. Sorry your gotcha moment is a dud. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.11.04 18:27:33 -
[104] - Quote
mech res wrote:
You may like the mittani or like the idea of this book, but even you I would hope, can understand that ccp should not give him special rights to break rules they set up for other players. Rather than disparage people who ask for an explanation, maybe you can explain why what eveiseasy was doing is different than mittani taking money for roams.
I don't know the guy, have never met the guy, and I have been shooting at his Goons in this game since 2008 (and I had jsut join my current alliance right before the war started, so i was only 'blue to Goons' for a few weeks, and even that was hard). I don't care about him and won't be buying his book (when I want to remember the fountain War I'll go back and look at some killmails, i was there).
But that doesn't make me blind to how..wrong..your posting about all this is. It's one or two guys being jealous about what's going on with some other internet guy and then not understanding why the rest of us just don't care. You know you aren't asking a question here, it's plain to see what you think about all this by the very existence of this thread.
TL;DR You have the right to talk about whatever your want to, just don't expect everyone to share your concerns about something that has nothing to do with us. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.11.04 18:32:11 -
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Portmanteau wrote:Why the obsession with legalities ? This is surely more to do with the players' perception of whether CCP favours in game players/groups and it's a perception they take seriously, hence the formation of the CSM after T2bpogate.
This "take it up with Icelandic courts" stuff is a massive strawman
To some, everything is a 'strawman'. I'm not trying to deflect anything, I'm saying that if you have a problem with something, do something about it (quit, sue, whatever) or stfu. Worrying about who CCP is favoring is simply evidence of jealousy, and posts like this is manipulations masquerading as questions. Moot questions at that, CCP ain't going to tell you if they give Mittens something more than permission anyway.
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Posted - 2015.11.04 18:41:46 -
[106] - Quote
Estelie Heyan wrote:This entire thread is moot because nothing has changed hands. The Kickstarter doesn't close for almost 5 weeks. Until then The Mittani can't collect the money, so nothing so far has been exchanged. At best it's a gentleman's agreement that either party has plenty of time to alter or back out of.
The stretch goal was changed, obviously it was a misunderstanding about what can and cant be offered to backers. Sorry your gotcha moment is a dud.
Possibly... or perhaps it was all fine until *players* noticed it (twice) and brought it to wider attention. The fact it has been changed (twice) doesn't really make the questions about CCP/Mittani relations go away, it just confirms *something* is off...
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16886
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Posted - 2015.11.04 18:48:33 -
[107] - Quote
mech res wrote:
I asked what ccp gave the mittani. CCP Falcon said they gave rights to the ip to use in the book. He didn't say that was all they gave. I am not sure if that is all they gave, so I am asking.
The fox news tactic.
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Posted - 2015.11.04 18:48:49 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Portmanteau wrote:Why the obsession with legalities ? This is surely more to do with the players' perception of whether CCP favours in game players/groups and it's a perception they take seriously, hence the formation of the CSM after T2bpogate.
This "take it up with Icelandic courts" stuff is a massive strawman To some, everything is a 'strawman'. I'm not trying to deflect anything, I'm saying that if you have a problem with something, do something about it (quit, sue, whatever) or stfu. Worrying about who CCP is favoring is simply evidence of jealousy, and posts like this is manipulations masquerading as questions. Moot questions at that, CCP ain't going to tell you if they give Mittens something more than permission anyway.
The OP just asked a question, you extrapolated that question into some bollocks about taking it to court, nobody has suggested that court is where this should end up, merely that questions be answered.
It's a total strawman.
Also you offer a lovely false dichotomy there as well when you suggest that if we don't like something we should quit or sue, how about we exercise a more measured option and just ask what actually happened and then make our minds up ?
It seems like you have no point to make unless twisting people's arguments into one logical fallacy or another.
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RoAnnon
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
38473
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Posted - 2015.11.04 18:50:09 -
[109] - Quote
Brian Harrelstein wrote:.
I see your point... not sure I agree with it, though.
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.
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Estelie Heyan
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 18:50:09 -
[110] - Quote
I'm gonna bite one more time then leave you lemmings to circle the same dumb arguement over and over. Yall are having a hard time separating the ingame character The Mittani from The Mittani MediaGäó
If the 150K goal is not met, TMC can't buy a year of Jeff Edwards' time + CCP's cut and the project is abandoned.
Mittens doesnt get anything personally from this deal except the accomplishment/ gift to the community of this book. |
Portmanteau
oooh ponies
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:07:45 -
[111] - Quote
Estelie Heyan wrote:I'm gonna bite one more time then leave you lemmings to circle the same dumb arguement over and over. Yall are having a hard time separating the ingame character The Mittani from The Mittani MediaGäó
If the 150K goal is not met, TMC can't buy a year of Jeff Edwards' time + CCP's cut and the project is abandoned.
Mittens doesnt get anything personally from this deal except the accomplishment/ gift to the community of this book.
Wait, TMM will be giving this book away for nothing ?
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
12888
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:11:43 -
[112] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:
The OP just asked a question, you extrapolated that question into some bollocks about taking it to court, nobody has suggested that court is where this should end up, merely that questions be answered.
That's bull. The OP obvious has a problem with all this.
Quote:
It's a total strawman.
The real irony is that you calling this a strawman is in itself a strawman attempt.
Lets be clear. You and the OP can dislike mittani, Goons, CCP whatever all you like. And you can pretend you are simply 'asking a question" when your posting suggests you already "know" the answer. But others of us are just going to call it like we see it.
Quote:
Also you offer a lovely false dichotomy there as well when you suggest that if we don't like something we should quit or sue, how about we exercise a more measured option and just ask what actually happened and then make our minds up ?[/quote[
Now your just lying. like the OP, you mind is already made up and you know it. You wouldn't have posted in the manner you have unless your mind was made up. Your distrust of CCP is showing.
A CCP employer posted in this thread the answer to the OPs 'question', yet the OP does not relent, suggesting that the IOP doesn't trust CCP...
....which come back to my original statement about him (and you): if you don't trust the people you are paying, why are you paying them? If you have to question what they are doing in the 1st place, why are you paying them?
[quote]
It seems like you have no point to make unless twisting people's arguments into one logical fallacy or another.
I'm not twisting anything. I'm just 'asking a question'......
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CrewSandwich
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:12:21 -
[113] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:Estelie Heyan wrote:I'm gonna bite one more time then leave you lemmings to circle the same dumb arguement over and over. Yall are having a hard time separating the ingame character The Mittani from The Mittani MediaGäó
If the 150K goal is not met, TMC can't buy a year of Jeff Edwards' time + CCP's cut and the project is abandoned.
Mittens doesnt get anything personally from this deal except the accomplishment/ gift to the community of this book. Wait, TMM will be giving this book away for nothing ?
I dunno dude would you like to raise these funds and put together something like this and devote your time, effort and energy, then deal with all this grief from the community?
Its like going to Time Warner Cable and demanding to know the financials of the deal they cut with mom & pop electricians for line service in Toldeo, Ohio. |
Terminal Insanity
Pwn 'N Play
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
818
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:14:13 -
[114] - Quote
Nafensoriel wrote:Yeah its getting mildly disturbing that people today assume all game IP lore doesn't belong to the developer. They own the EVE world.. to do anything EVE related CCP needs to give you their nod of approval or explicitly state you can play in their proverbial sandbox of dreams.
Also Mittens Gets Kittens.
Oh come on.. admit it Kittens even make putin look soft and cuddly. Grr goons to aww kittens.
personally, i find it distrubing that people even subscribe to the idea of copyright. Stealing physical objects is one thing. taking a picture of the Mona Lisa should not be considered grand theft.
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Portmanteau
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:18:44 -
[115] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Portmanteau wrote:
The OP just asked a question, you extrapolated that question into some bollocks about taking it to court, nobody has suggested that court is where this should end up, merely that questions be answered.
That's bull. The OP obvious has a problem with all this. Quote:
It's a total strawman.
The real irony is that you calling this a strawman is in itself a strawman attempt. Lets be clear. You and the OP can dislike mittani, Goons, CCP whatever all you like. And you can pretend you are simply 'asking a question" when your posting suggests you already "know" the answer. But others of us are just going to call it like we see it. Quote:
Also you offer a lovely false dichotomy there as well when you suggest that if we don't like something we should quit or sue, how about we exercise a more measured option and just ask what actually happened and then make our minds up ?[/quote[
Now your just lying. like the OP, you mind is already made up and you know it. You wouldn't have posted in the manner you have unless your mind was made up. Your distrust of CCP is showing.
A CCP employer posted in this thread the answer to the OPs 'question', yet the OP does not relent, suggesting that the IOP doesn't trust CCP...
....which come back to my original statement about him (and you): if you don't trust the people you are paying, why are you paying them? If you have to question what they are doing in the 1st place, why are you paying them?
[quote]
It seems like you have no point to make unless twisting people's arguments into one logical fallacy or another.
I'm not twisting anything. I'm just 'asking a question'......
Jenn, nowhere has the OP stated a dislike for Mittens, I myself have no particular dislike for Mittens or Goons, I have actually stated in this thread already that this book could be good for EvE/CCP by bringing favorable exposure. Your whole argument seems to rely on your speculation about people's motives.
In other words, your argument is bollocks. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
1314
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:34:25 -
[116] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote: how about we exercise a more measured option and just ask what actually happened and then make our minds up ?
That sentence implies you didn't make your mind up before you posted
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
171
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:41:16 -
[117] - Quote
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Portmanteau wrote: how about we exercise a more measured option and just ask what actually happened and then make our minds up ?
That sentence implies you didn't make your mind up before you posted
Not sure if you're making a joke, accusing me of something or I just got whooshed
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:41:38 -
[118] - Quote
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Portmanteau wrote: how about we exercise a more measured option and just ask what actually happened and then make our minds up ?
That sentence implies you didn't make your mind up before you posted
I didn't make up my mind before I posted. If the only thing ccp did was give him the right to use eve and eve trademarked names in the book then I support their decision - assuming they would give it to other players. Which they apparently have.
Jenn aSide wrote:Worrying about who CCP is favoring is simply evidence of jealousy, and posts like this is manipulations masquerading as questions. Moot questions at that, CCP ain't going to tell you if they give Mittens something more than permission anyway.
Heres the thing. CCP should apply the same rules to all the players.
Jealously, likes, and dislikes should play no role.
As has been said there are some things in the kickstarter that seem to go against CCP's rmt rulings. It has been documented so we can just wait to see if ccp responds.
I would still like to have it confirmed that allowing the book to use the ip is the only involvment ccp has with this project. I would hope after the t2bpo scandal ccp would be transparent.
Some goon is now saying that mittani is not getting the profits from the book and only ccp and the author are. He didn't give a source though. So who knows? Is there a partnership between ccp and the mittani where they share profits or not?
As far as CCP supporting propaganda for a particular alliance, I don't think we can unring that bell. Whats done is done. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
1316
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:43:08 -
[119] - Quote
mech res wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Licensing for the book to use the EVE Universe IP.
Thanks for the information. If this is as far as it goes, I am glad ccp is doing this - assuming they would do this for other players and not just one. Is that as far as the support goes? Saying CCP is "collaborat[ing]" with the mittani and the author seems to imply a bit more. But those are the mittani's words not CCP's and I have learned to take his word with a grain of salt.
Stop looking for a scandal where there isn't one...
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RoAnnon
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
38474
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:43:50 -
[120] - Quote
After reading (mostly) through the replies, am I understanding the arguments correctly that someone is saying the reward of being allowed to go on a roam with The Mittani for a certain level of backing to the kickstarter is RMT? Can someone explain that deranged logic to me? Or straighten out my understanding if that's not what's being said.
I can technically understand the concern about his corpse being offered, but as the corpse doesn't have an actual use in game mechanics or provide any bonus, wtf really cares?
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
171
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:46:54 -
[121] - Quote
RoAnnon wrote:After reading (mostly) through the replies, am I understanding the arguments correctly that someone is saying the reward of being allowed to go on a roam with The Mittani for a certain level of backing to the kickstarter is RMT? Can someone explain that deranged logic to me? Or straighten out my understanding if that's not what's being said.
I can technically understand the concern about his corpse being offered, but as the corpse doesn't have an actual use in game mechanics or provide any bonus, wtf really cares?
EvEiseasy got prevented from offering pvp advice for money, no physical in game items, just interaction with a player (not even in game interaction). Why is going on a roam with Mittani for $200 different ?
EDIT : about the corpse, nobody cares whether the corpse gives an in game advantage, it's the $200 it was being effectively sold for. |
Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
1314
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:49:55 -
[122] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Tech moons to build stupid ridiculous space wealth.
T2 BPOs to build even more stupidly insane space wealth.
...
The question should be, what has CCP not given Mittens?
Err,
When Moon Goo was rebalanced to put the production bottleneck in to Technetium, Goonswarm wasn't even living in the north (Technetium being found in Cloud Ring - Vale of the Silent) - they were busy fighting BOB/IT for Delve... the region which held the previous bottleneck before it was changed to technitium. If anything, CCP took the money moons away from Goonswarm.
The T2 BPO's were given to BOB, who was at war with Goonswarm. |
RoAnnon
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
38474
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:50:25 -
[123] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:RoAnnon wrote:After reading (mostly) through the replies, am I understanding the arguments correctly that someone is saying the reward of being allowed to go on a roam with The Mittani for a certain level of backing to the kickstarter is RMT? Can someone explain that deranged logic to me? Or straighten out my understanding if that's not what's being said.
I can technically understand the concern about his corpse being offered, but as the corpse doesn't have an actual use in game mechanics or provide any bonus, wtf really cares? EvEiseasy got prevented from offering pvp advice for money, no physical in game items, just interaction with a player (not even in game interaction). Why is going on a roam with Mittani for $200 different ?
To stay in theme with your answer: Because being allowed to join a roam fleet and getting in-game advice on how to fly are not the same at all.
So any actual explanations?
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16888
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:53:26 -
[124] - Quote
RoAnnon wrote:wtf really cares?
People who grasp at items such as straws.
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:55:06 -
[125] - Quote
RoAnnon wrote:Portmanteau wrote:RoAnnon wrote:After reading (mostly) through the replies, am I understanding the arguments correctly that someone is saying the reward of being allowed to go on a roam with The Mittani for a certain level of backing to the kickstarter is RMT? Can someone explain that deranged logic to me? Or straighten out my understanding if that's not what's being said.
I can technically understand the concern about his corpse being offered, but as the corpse doesn't have an actual use in game mechanics or provide any bonus, wtf really cares? EvEiseasy got prevented from offering pvp advice for money, no physical in game items, just interaction with a player (not even in game interaction). Why is going on a roam with Mittani for $200 different ? To stay in theme with your answer: Because being allowed to join a roam fleet and getting in-game advice on how to fly are not the same at all. So any actual explanations?
CCP did not say it was the fact they were giving advice that was the problem. CCP Guard said this:
"Selling anything that uses the EVE Intellectual Property for real life cash is against the rules. EVE related services can, however, be sold for ISK. I'm not going to comment on whether that will always be the case, but it is today. Just letting everyone know."
So if mittani wants to go on a roam with someone through EVE, or duel someone in EVE, and charge isk he can. But he can't do that for real life cash. |
Portmanteau
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:57:28 -
[126] - Quote
RoAnnon wrote:Portmanteau wrote:RoAnnon wrote:After reading (mostly) through the replies, am I understanding the arguments correctly that someone is saying the reward of being allowed to go on a roam with The Mittani for a certain level of backing to the kickstarter is RMT? Can someone explain that deranged logic to me? Or straighten out my understanding if that's not what's being said.
I can technically understand the concern about his corpse being offered, but as the corpse doesn't have an actual use in game mechanics or provide any bonus, wtf really cares? EvEiseasy got prevented from offering pvp advice for money, no physical in game items, just interaction with a player (not even in game interaction). Why is going on a roam with Mittani for $200 different ? To stay in theme with your answer: Because being allowed to join a roam fleet and getting in-game advice on how to fly are not the same at all. So any actual explanations?
So any corp can now offer roams for cash ? (if that is the case, why has the option been removed ?)
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Johnny Riko
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
98
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Posted - 2015.11.04 19:58:16 -
[127] - Quote
From the looks of it they have turned a blind eye to mittens RWT.
I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
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RoAnnon
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
38474
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Posted - 2015.11.04 20:03:31 -
[128] - Quote
mech res wrote:CCP did not say it was the fact they were giving advice that was the problem. CCP Guard said this:
"Selling anything that uses the EVE Intellectual Property for real life cash is against the rules. EVE related services can, however, be sold for ISK. I'm not going to comment on whether that will always be the case, but it is today. Just letting everyone know."
So if mittani wants to go on a roam with someone through EVE, or duel someone in EVE, and charge isk he can. But he can't do that for real life cash.
This is getting close to the RL legal differentiation between what is or is not prostitution. If someone pays another person for engaging in sex, that's prostitution which is illegal, unless they're being paid to have it with someone else while a camera is recording it. Then it's not prostitution, it's pornography which is legal.
It can be argued that the money is not being given to The Mittani in exchange for the roam, it is being given to back the book that is being created, and the roam is one of several rewards being given away for a certain level of backing.
To say the roam is being sold is disingenuous at best.
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9532
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Posted - 2015.11.04 20:06:42 -
[129] - Quote
I don't much care one way or the other about this topic.
But on a more personal note, anyone who repeatedly says "My people" in interviews (As in,"I'll have my people look at it".) is a complete douche.
Listen to the Mittanigate tapes for many examples of this kind of douchery. Anyone that gives money to a confirmed lying arrogant douche deserves the disappointment they will get from it.
Mr Epeen 
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mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 20:10:15 -
[130] - Quote
RoAnnon wrote:mech res wrote:CCP did not say it was the fact they were giving advice that was the problem. CCP Guard said this:
"Selling anything that uses the EVE Intellectual Property for real life cash is against the rules. EVE related services can, however, be sold for ISK. I'm not going to comment on whether that will always be the case, but it is today. Just letting everyone know."
So if mittani wants to go on a roam with someone through EVE, or duel someone in EVE, and charge isk he can. But he can't do that for real life cash. This is getting close to the RL legal differentiation between what is or is not prostitution. If someone pays another person for engaging in sex, that's prostitution which is illegal, unless they're being paid to have it with someone else while a camera is recording it. Then it's not prostitution, it's pornography which is legal. It can be argued that the money is not being given to The Mittani in exchange for the roam, it is being given to back the book that is being created, and the roam is one of several rewards being given away for a certain level of backing. To say the roam is being sold is disingenuous at best.
I think that is a far stretch. Mittani very well may be getting a cut of any profits this book makes. I would like to know if ccp is also a partner to the profits.
But to CCP's and the Mittani's credit, I think the rmt point is now moot. It looks like he removed the 3 dubious offers. 1)corpse 2) roam and 3) duel.
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CrewSandwich
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.11.04 20:11:36 -
[131] - Quote
If you nerds bothered to take your heads out of the sand for one minute and check out the page you would see nothing conncected to the eve online client is being offered anymore. |
RoAnnon
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
38475
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Posted - 2015.11.04 20:15:29 -
[132] - Quote
mech res wrote:But to CCP's and the Mittani's credit, I think the rmt point is now moot. It looks like he removed the 3 dubious offers. 1)corpse 2) roam and 3) duel.
Probably less of a headache to stop splitting metaphorical hairs and stop all the speculation, argument and debate about where the line is and whether or not it's been crossed.
So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.
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Portmanteau
oooh ponies
171
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Posted - 2015.11.04 20:19:48 -
[133] - Quote
CrewSandwich wrote:If you nerds bothered to take your heads out of the sand for one minute and check out the page you would see nothing conncected to the eve online client is being offered anymore.
The post above you actually just pointed out as much, perhaps it's you needs to remove your head from the sand for a minute ? The questions still stands, did CCP say these offers were ok and then change their minds after they were brought to the wider attention of playerbase ? Or did TMM overstep the mark of what they were allowed to offer and remove them because CCP thought it broke the EULA ?
Removing the offers doesn't make the question go away. |
mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 20:32:06 -
[134] - Quote
Personally, now that they took down the rmt items I don't care who found out when. It sounds like everyone acted reasonably since they did take them down.
My bigger concern is what involvement does ccp have with this propaganda book and themittani.com. I think only a fool thinks alliance propaganda doesn't effect the game. CCP's "backing" or "partnering" with alliance leaders in the production of that propaganda should be handled transparently or not done at all. |
Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
241
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Posted - 2015.11.04 20:32:29 -
[135] - Quote
Portmanteau wrote:CrewSandwich wrote:If you nerds bothered to take your heads out of the sand for one minute and check out the page you would see nothing conncected to the eve online client is being offered anymore. The post above you actually just pointed out as much, perhaps it's you needs to remove your head from the sand for a minute ? The questions still stands, did CCP say these offers were ok and then change their minds after they were brought to the wider attention of playerbase ? Or did TMM overstep the mark of what they were allowed to offer and remove them because CCP thought it broke the EULA ? Removing the offers doesn't make the question go away.
It kind of does because no one is obliged to publicly communicate the reasons for that decision, leaving the topic firmly in the realms of wild flailing speculation. |
CrewSandwich
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.11.04 20:40:53 -
[136] - Quote
You mean if I pay a subscription for a service to a private company they dont need to open up their books to me and meet all of my demands????
I for one am shocked |
mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 20:48:46 -
[137] - Quote
CrewSandwich wrote:You mean if I pay a subscription for a service to a private company they dont need to open up their books to me and meet all of my demands????
I for one am shocked
No one says CCP needs to do anything. I am just saying if they are partnering up with an alliance leader to publish that alliance leader's propaganda then they should be transparent about the arrangement. There is a difference between what you should do and what you need to do. |
CrewSandwich
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.11.04 20:52:59 -
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Here is 100% transparency of the arrangement. Another eve book was not on the radar, in the works or making or plans of ccp. Certainly not one different from like a Templar One featuring real player stories and real ingame events.
Somebody comes along with the means and wherewithal to make such a thing happen and even wrangle a real author willing to do it. And devote his own time and energy to make it happen.
If you dont like it dont back it plain and simple, if you want another eve book for the collection, something about actual players and real ingame things then back it. |
mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 21:04:26 -
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CrewSandwich wrote:Here is 100% transparency of the arrangement. Another eve book was not on the radar, in the works or making or plans of ccp. Certainly not one different from like a Templar One featuring real player stories and real ingame events.
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Even if we assume your speculation is true it does not describe the arrangement between CCP and the mittani at all. You just gave a bunch of speculation. That is because the arrangement is not transparent and we are forced to speculate. |
Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
242
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Posted - 2015.11.04 21:09:20 -
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CrewSandwich wrote:Here is 100% transparency of the arrangement. Another eve book was not on the radar, in the works or making or plans of ccp. Certainly not one different from like a Templar One featuring real player stories and real ingame events.
Somebody comes along with the means and wherewithal to make such a thing happen and even wrangle a real author willing to do it. And devote his own time and energy to make it happen.
If you dont like it dont back it plain and simple, if you want another eve book for the collection, something about actual players and real ingame things then back it.
Pretty much this. Someone pitched an idea to CCP that benefits CCP while the other party takes on the financial risk. CCP has provided support for another project in a similar way before and very reasonably are doing it again. As customers we can make a choice on if we do or do not spend our money. Sure we can discuss the stretch goals or how the funding for the project is handled in Kickstarter, but frankly we do not have any real information and nor should we. Not many businesses conduct all their affairs in public. |
mech res
Fwaction Warfare Corporwation
1
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Posted - 2015.11.04 21:16:17 -
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Aoife Fraoch wrote:CrewSandwich wrote:Here is 100% transparency of the arrangement. Another eve book was not on the radar, in the works or making or plans of ccp. Certainly not one different from like a Templar One featuring real player stories and real ingame events.
Somebody comes along with the means and wherewithal to make such a thing happen and even wrangle a real author willing to do it. And devote his own time and energy to make it happen.
If you dont like it dont back it plain and simple, if you want another eve book for the collection, something about actual players and real ingame things then back it. Pretty much this. Someone pitched an idea to CCP that benefits CCP while the other party takes on the financial risk. CCP has provided support for another project in a similar way before and very reasonably are doing it again. As customers we can make a choice on if we do or do not spend our money. Sure we can discuss the stretch goals or how the funding for the project is handled in Kickstarter, but frankly we do not have any real information and nor should we. Not many businesses conduct all their affairs in public.
Do you have a source for any of what you say?
Is ccp getting a cut of the profits from this book?
If they are, then they have an financial interest in promoting the characters in that book right? |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
16890
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Posted - 2015.11.04 22:06:32 -
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mech res wrote:
My bigger concern is what involvement does ccp have with this propaganda book and themittani.com. I think only a fool thinks alliance propaganda doesn't effect the game. CCP's "backing" or "partnering" with alliance leaders in the production of that propaganda should be handled transparently or not done at all.
You asked that and got your answer.
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CrewSandwich
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2015.11.04 22:18:50 -
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mech res wrote:CrewSandwich wrote:Here is 100% transparency of the arrangement. Another eve book was not on the radar, in the works or making or plans of ccp. Certainly not one different from like a Templar One featuring real player stories and real ingame events.
..... Even if we assume your speculation is true it does not describe the arrangement between CCP and the mittani at all. You just gave a bunch of speculation. That is because the arrangement is not transparent and we are forced to speculate.
Haha ok maybe you'll take ccp's word for it, probably not but here ya go champ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0bnrkwsdOA |
Aoife Fraoch
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
244
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Posted - 2015.11.04 22:40:23 -
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mech res wrote:Aoife Fraoch wrote:CrewSandwich wrote:Here is 100% transparency of the arrangement. Another eve book was not on the radar, in the works or making or plans of ccp. Certainly not one different from like a Templar One featuring real player stories and real ingame events.
Somebody comes along with the means and wherewithal to make such a thing happen and even wrangle a real author willing to do it. And devote his own time and energy to make it happen.
If you dont like it dont back it plain and simple, if you want another eve book for the collection, something about actual players and real ingame things then back it. Pretty much this. Someone pitched an idea to CCP that benefits CCP while the other party takes on the financial risk. CCP has provided support for another project in a similar way before and very reasonably are doing it again. As customers we can make a choice on if we do or do not spend our money. Sure we can discuss the stretch goals or how the funding for the project is handled in Kickstarter, but frankly we do not have any real information and nor should we. Not many businesses conduct all their affairs in public. Do you have a source for any of what you say? Is ccp getting a cut of the profits from this book? If they are, then they have an financial interest in promoting the characters in that book right?
A source for what? I am not the one begging the question and implying wildly. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6859
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Posted - 2015.11.05 03:01:03 -
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Implying wildly (especially bad things about people you don't like, ie: bad people) is just part of another day on these forums.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.11.05 03:14:58 -
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