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Laserotaku	Posted - 2007.01.02 14:59:00 - [1] I wonder is there done anything or will be done anything to Raven's model in near future. The ship is so ugly and also so common that i would like to know if something could be possibly done to make it look better. I also have feeling that im not the only one who thinks this way. Has CCP ever before revised old ship models?
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.02 15:02:00 - [2] It's punishment to caldari players for having the easy mode race. Be thankfull your not a minnie CCP must REALLY hate them Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Trracer Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.02 15:15:00 - [3] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii It's punishment to caldari players for having the easy mode race. Be thankfull your not a minnie CCP must REALLY hate them Alliaanna Hey, there's nothing wrong with Rifter, Thrasher, Stabber and Cyclone... (disregard almost all the rest okthx, heh). Welcome to Caldari online!
Ari'Tichook	Posted - 2007.01.02 15:26:00 - [4] You say that but the stabber has the worst rear-end I could've thought up. Starts off nice, then cuts off bluntly, aside from that underslung rocket motor sticking out the back, why?!
Jin Freaks	Posted - 2007.01.02 15:30:00 - [5] EVE is still a great game but CCP should kick some graphicdesigners buttox. There are hardly any good looking ships out there (cept for the rax/deimos ofcourse). Thanks in advance for the flaming :P
Von Schnopp Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.02 15:37:00 - [6] Seriously, compare some of the original models and skins, detail level etc of Raven and Scorpion with the newer battlecruisers and battleships and capitals. Almost like mixing the models from Pacific Fighters (Maddox Games) with those of WW2 battleground europe. Perhaps a slight revision of 3D models and skins are in order? "Dying for your corp is just stupid, make those other bastards die for theirs instead"
Pam Shaker	Posted - 2007.01.02 15:46:00 - [7] I agree...the ships are fugly. My retarted cousin could have done better.
Alowishus Shadow Company Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.02 15:59:00 - [8] Hi. Who cares?
War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.02 16:19:00 - [9] I find the Scorp an interesting ship but ffs the Raven looks like crap and this is coming from a Typhoon pilot. No matter where you go, there you are.
Jarjar exscape corporation	Posted - 2007.01.02 16:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Von Schnopp Seriously, compare some of the original models and skins, detail level etc of Raven and Scorpion with the newer battlecruisers and battleships and capitals. Almost like mixing the models from Pacific Fighters (Maddox Games) with those of WW2 battleground europe. Perhaps a slight revision of 3D models and skins are in order? They're already remodelling all the ships.
Angelis666 Amarr The Knights Of Camelot FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.01.02 16:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii It's punishment to caldari players for having the easy mode race. Be thankfull your not a minnie CCP must REALLY hate them Alliaanna This man speaks the trueth! Where Gamers Give Back
Laserotaku	Posted - 2007.01.02 16:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Jarjar Originally by: Von Schnopp Seriously, compare some of the original models and skins, detail level etc of Raven and Scorpion with the newer battlecruisers and battleships and capitals. Almost like mixing the models from Pacific Fighters (Maddox Games) with those of WW2 battleground europe. Perhaps a slight revision of 3D models and skins are in order? They're already remodelling all the ships. how do you know this and do you have any knowledge when we will see new raven
DarkTeror Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.02 16:55:00 - [13] What are you talking about? The raven looks great. The moa on the other hand should be shot and buried.
VJ Maverick	Posted - 2007.01.02 16:58:00 - [14] The problem with MOST ships is their lack of symmetry. The human eye naturally leans to and appreciates symmetry. That's why so many ships in Eve are perceived as ugly. Lets take the frigates for example. The Rifter, the Merlin, and the Retribution are some of best looking ships in the game not because they are particularly attractive designs but because they are simply LESS ugly than most of the other ships out there by the virtue of their symmetry. Think how awesome a Kestrel would look if it was symmetrical - the monoplane wing, the three large enignes and two symmetrical booms - badass! And I bet the OP would like the Raven a lot more as well if it was symmetrical. Get a clue, CCP. Asymmetrical designs are great if you want to be an avant-garde artist whom nobody understands. But they suck for ship designs.
Laserotaku	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:13:00 - [15] wel im flying rokh at the moment but i also have raven, i dont wanna use it though since it looks like t-1000 in the end of terminator 2
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.02 17:26:00 - [16] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 02/01/2007 17:26:29 All ships are being remodeled. This means that their uglyness will be more apparent are they will still have the same look as current :) --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.01.02 23:25:00 - [17] With the release of Direct-X 10 and Windows Vista, Eve is getting a GFX overhaul soon there after! This will inculde ships, stations and planets. Fanfest info FTW. This will most likely not fix the wacky looking Caldari sapce stations, or Raven. ------------------------------------- Proud member of G Guild!
Jintoi	Posted - 2007.01.03 00:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Pam Shaker I agree...the ships are fugly. My retarted cousin could have done better. Let's see your max or maya files with better looking lowpoly ships including the uvw unwrap then.
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.03 00:33:00 - [19] Edited by: Khorian on 03/01/2007 00:37:44 Originally by: VJ Maverick The problem with MOST ships is their lack of symmetry. The human eye naturally leans to and appreciates symmetry. That's why so many ships in Eve are perceived as ugly. Actually, there is something called the golden ratio (sectio aurea) wich is roughly a proportion of 2/3rd, that is regarded as the perfect proportion. It can be found almost anywhere in nature and also human arts. Take a picture of your face, cut it in half and copy one half, then mirror it and put it together with the other half. It will look... not good, because its symetric.
Lady Loom Red Mercury Industries Legiones Astartes	Posted - 2007.01.03 01:33:00 - [20] for me symmetry (or the lack of it) isn't the issue, personally I think slightly assymetrical ships like the Kestrel, Cormorant or Ferox still look great. What kills me is how impractical some of the designs look - if my super tough space ship looks like the slightest bump will break it apart because large parts of the ships are being held together with tiny beams and stupid shapes (like the Blackbird or Scorpion), that's not "cool assymmetry" anymore, that's just crap. Assymmetry becomes bad when ships with more or less symmetric shapes suddenly get a stupid engine nacelle or wing stuck somewhere just to look special... They are about to revise some ships with the graphical upgrade, but I don't think they'll radically change how ships will look. Sadly. [[ power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat ]]
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2007.01.03 02:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Laserotaku I wonder is there done anything or will be done anything to Raven's model in near future. The ship is so ugly and also so common that i would like to know if something could be possibly done to make it look better. I also have feeling that im not the only one who thinks this way. Has CCP ever before revised old ship models? Err I and many others actually like the raven model. Just because you dont like it doesn't mean it needs to be changed. -----
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.03 02:43:00 - [22] And just cause you like it doesn't mean it shouldn't be. Plus, all of the ships are being retextured, not remodeled. Please stop passing this idea around. A few ships however have new concepts on that website. -- Originally by: Ghosthowl At what level can i PVP?
Litus Arowar Amarr Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2007.01.03 03:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Khorian Edited by: Khorian on 03/01/2007 00:37:44 Originally by: VJ Maverick The problem with MOST ships is their lack of symmetry. The human eye naturally leans to and appreciates symmetry. That's why so many ships in Eve are perceived as ugly. Actually, there is something called the golden ratio (sectio aurea) wich is roughly a proportion of 2/3rd, that is regarded as the perfect proportion. It can be found almost anywhere in nature and also human arts. Take a picture of your face, cut it in half and copy one half, then mirror it and put it together with the other half. It will look... not good, because its symetric. that's simply not true... yes, the golden ratio applies to beauty in nature, and in humans, but the fact that your face looks weird if made symmetrical has nothing to do with this... do the same with a supermodel's face and be prepared to be amazed (most are perfectly symmetrical) Albert Anastacia> Like they say, adapt or die. I adapted and now I get to Iwinbutton all over everyones face.
Jintoi	Posted - 2007.01.03 03:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Lady Loom What kills me is how impractical some of the designs look - if my super tough space ship looks like the slightest bump will break it apart because large parts of the ships are being held together with tiny beams and stupid shapes (like the Blackbird or Scorpion), that's not "cool assymmetry" anymore, that's just crap. Well remember Caldari ships rely on Shields and their armour is known to be weak so it makes sense that they are more Electronic based and in looks as their tank is in a forcefield away from the ship itself, in comparisson Gallente ships look like they have thick hulls.
Typhis Deterious	Posted - 2007.01.03 03:44:00 - [25] I always found that an uglier ship strikes fear into the hearts of the enemy. Either that or they rofl till you blow them out of the sky ;) BTW what does it matter if they look good or not, as long as they can make stuff go boom it's all gravy.
Lenoor Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.01.03 04:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Typhis Deterious I always found that an uglier ship strikes fear into the hearts of the enemy. Either that or they rofl till you blow them out of the sky ;) BTW what does it matter if they look good or not, as long as they can make stuff go boom it's all gravy. I agree, until I can build my own, completely unique ship with its own design, the fact of the matter is more what the ship can do, not how it looks doing it. Because chances are, you'll run across 5, 6+ ravens in a single day... This (along with the uber fittings and stats) is why I think faction ships are so pricey: near-individuality. ______________________/\|\_______________________ [12:34:56] Combat Notify that Uruz7<RHNVY> has pefectly hit ExWife(ArmaggedonPSA)<RHNVY>, wrecking for 2.5 kids. :)
Seriya Caldari Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2007.01.03 07:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Khorian Edited by: Khorian on 03/01/2007 00:37:44 Originally by: VJ Maverick The problem with MOST ships is their lack of symmetry. Actually, there is something called the golden ratio (sectio aurea) wich is roughly a proportion of 2/3rd, that is regarded as the perfect proportion. This ratio exists and is found all over nature, but symmetry is basicly attractive and asymmetry not. Most of the 'ugly' asymmetrical ships on EVE would look a lot more pleasing if they were made symmetrical.
lllllllllllopo	Posted - 2007.01.03 07:14:00 - [28] Originally by: War Bear I find the Scorp an interesting ship but ffs the Raven looks like crap and this is coming from a Typhoon pilot.
Madorthene Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.03 07:29:00 - [29] Edited by: Madorthene on 03/01/2007 07:29:22 Moa looks like somebody broke a swan's back and shoved a brick down it's throat. ._.
Orph Caldari Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.01.03 07:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Marcus Druallis And just cause you like it doesn't mean it shouldn't be. Plus, all of the ships are being retextured, not remodeled. Please stop passing this idea around. A few ships however have new concepts on that website. A couple are being reskinned, yes. But take a look at the Celetis remodel(slightly different), and the latest Scythe remodel(completely different). Also, if you haven't, take a look at the CCP video from that Nvidia event from a whiles back, they go through a pretty decent segment about the efficient poly counts of thier -new- models. CCP is not only retexturing the game's resources with pretty new high res textures with speculars and normals, but they seem to be taking a new art direction AND overhauling the dated ship models as well. The only thing I assume is that looking at the new batch of BC's and BS's, the revised ships will follow that "look" as well. So back to the topic of Ravens, I wholeheartidly hope and am betting that these missile boats will definately get a MUCH MUCH needed touch-up. (Even though I'm a Rokh/Crusader/Geddon pilot. It'd be good to see the ugly Caldari boats get a facelift, heck I might fly one if they do.) _____________ "My resolve is the mountain from which the wicked shall be smitten"

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