Kaarous, I guess that's it then. You really are ust a troll.

**This forum post is now 3 year old and does not represent CCP-¦s current stance on the issue, as such it can be viewed as outdated**

More consistent in that unprovoked aggression follows the same rules regardless of how you do it.

3. Is CCP OK with it? Now this was a definite yes, but now I'm not so sure. Why? Well take a look at the first new line in the bumping thread.

I realize that CCP has stated that bumping is a game mechanic and is probably never going to be changed. But that doesn't stop someone from bumping a charon for hours on end, so I'm proposing something to help solve the problem and hopefully without unbalancing the game elsewhere.

Implement a new feature, Emergency Warp.

Emergency Warp starts a 30 second timer similar to when logging out in space (possibly with or without modules turned on) where you are then warped a random distance in a random direction (10-99 au?) Any aggressive action that would normally call concord cancels the warp.

You do not need to be aligned for the warp to complete. you simply need to wait the 30 second timer without being attacked in any way, but bumping does not count obviously.

Alternatives or other options to make it more balanced:

-Add a long cooldown timer to prevent repeated abuse (12-24 hours would be pretty fair)

-Warp fatigue after using emergency warp

-Strip shields and even cause armor or hull damage when emergency warp is used (completed, not started)


I'm not a very experienced pilot so It's very likely that I could be overlooking some glaring issues with this proposal, But I'm open to suggestions and tweaks.

*Edit*
I'd just like to add that this is not a personal vendetta I have against Bumpers, I have never personally been the victim of a bumper so to all the people who are trying to antagonize me for 'being bad at the game' you should probably think twice

As said before no one in there right mind, would loot a yellow wreck in a freighter.


Killrights are rare to find on Freighter pilots as Freighter pilots don't go out getting Killrights. Normally you see only the ones that are scamming with them. Sometimes yes you do find some shiny ship with a KR. But normally it's something other than freighter. In all my days in Highsec. Which have been since I started playing. I have never once personally seen a Freighter with a legitimate KR on it.

Implement a new feature, Emergency Warp.

Emergency Warp starts a 30 second timer similar to when logging out in space (possibly with or without modules turned on) where you are then warped a random distance in a random direction (10-99 au?) Any aggressive action that would normally call concord cancels the warp.

Or you just do what anyone with half a brain does, and web your freighter.

Well, well. Something interesting happened in this thread after all...

...an evolutionary arms race is an evolutionary struggle between competing sets of co-evolving genes, traits, or species, that develop adaptations and counter-adaptations against each other, resembling an arms race, which could be, and often are, described as examples of positive feedback.

Your definition of 'playing the game' is clearly not the same as mine. Maybe you have 0 respect for miners and industry but they're a vital part of EVE and so are definitely playing the game.

As for watching local, we're talking highsec here, you try keeping track of the 20+ names that appear and dissapear on the local list every few minutes.

And again.. afk players are not affected by this measure. If someone is truly afk then you don't need to bump them to kill them

so your asking for an mjd for indis.?

As for watching local, we're talking highsec here, you try keeping track of the 20+ names that appear and dissapear on the local list every few minutes.

You know what I find amusing about these threads? Three things. The first is that those who do the complaining have not, apparently considered the concept of an evolutionary arms race.



In this case, we have people whine incessantly to CCP about ganking, and insurance, and how it is all so unfair. CCP nerfs it, and those doing the ganking respond by adapting and getting even better and finding a new method (a large number of ultra cheap high DPS ships along with bumping).

So, the people getting ganked come back and demand that somebody else (CCP) take care of the problem the last nerf was supposed to fix. In short, these people put on a pathetic display of entitlement and self-righteousness while stamping their feet about how they are right and everyone else is wrong...all the while doing, literally, nothing to solve their problems themselves.

We have in one corner the gankers who are:

1. Organized,
2. Well versed in game mechanics,
3. Spending time/effiort setting things up to do ganks.

In the other corner we have the "victims" who:

1. Refuse to organize themselves.
2. Refuse to learn game mechanics.
3. Do not want to spend anything but minimal time/effort to accomplish their goals.

The latter corner also always runs to CCP saying that just one more nerf! Just one more! Give us this one more thing and it will be balanced....until somebody figures out how to gank a ship with the new rule change in which case the crowd of entitled and self-righteous come asking for yet another nerf. For this latter group their standard cant is, the game is not balanced until you implement my preferred nerf...then it will be balanced...until I come asking for yet another nerf...and yet another and another.

And the really amusing thing....these players do not need to be as organized as CODE. and the like. They just need a scout, maybe a webbing alt, and that is about it. If they wanted to be pro-active 10 guys in catalysts would melt your typical bumping machariel. A machariel hull costs about 5x that of 10 catalysts. These players can put billions in a freighter but can't spare a few million for a few catalysts? Really?

You guys deserve everything you get at the hands of players in game.

Freighter ganking has gotten mind numbingly easy.

Make no mistake, high sec gankers are just as risk averse as their care bear counter parts.

And they're either guaranteed a payout or they don't lose the ship because the gank never even started.

"Care bears" stand to lose a lot more.

Gankers don't stand to lose anything.

I'm not of the opinion that high sec needs to be ultra safe, but ganking doesn't need to be so ridiculously simple and risk free either.

Freighter ganking has gotten mind numbingly easy. Make no mistake, high sec gankers are just as risk averse as their care bear counter parts. What do they risk, an insured catalyst? And they're either guaranteed a payout or they don't lose the ship because the gank never even started. "Care bears" stand to lose a lot more. Gankers don't stand to lose anything. I'm not of the opinion that high sec needs to be ultra safe, but ganking doesn't need to be so ridiculously simple and risk free either.

What do they risk, an insured catalyst?

Not a bad idea actually.

Freighter ganking has gotten mind numbingly easy. Make no mistake, high sec gankers are just as risk averse as their care bear counter parts. What do they risk, an insured catalyst? And they're either guaranteed a payout or they don't lose the ship because the gank never even started. "Care bears" stand to lose a lot more. Gankers don't stand to lose anything. I'm not of the opinion that high sec needs to be ultra safe, but ganking doesn't need to be so ridiculously simple and risk free either.

Freighters have never been mechanically more safe in highsec. I thought we were already at peak safety, and then CCP went and stealth patched hyperdunking out of the game just last week making them even safer. Potential EHP was buffed when low slots were added, CONCORD times have been shortened, and yes, insurance for suicide gankers was removed over five years ago.

Freighter pilots can, with just a little effort, make themselves essentially immune from gankers. Red Frog made 99.8%+ of their contracts last year. How much safer do you want to make these capital ships?

Freighter ganking has gotten mind numbingly easy...