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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:16:00 -
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omg our secret plan is revealed we're doomed now, we can't win because Eddz said so ________
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OozoO
Caldari Decadence. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zylatis Edited by: Zylatis on 03/01/2007 13:07:57 dont forget CORE on D2 side!
We have aussies, we'll come whack you with cricket bats in suits of ned kelly armour
-Z
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Adam C i wiser guess would be they are in fact ultimate fkin carebears in it for the isk and pve gameplay
Adam C try to take a deeper look at what you are killing... Do you honestly think that you are facing D2 ?
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are. Makes the job so much easier, if we REALLY want to make something about your corp. In the meanwhile have fun killing the npcer's that donÆt look at local
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Peoke
Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:20:00 -
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guys theres a better chance d2 will come fight smash and roadkill in geminate then ever leaving the north.
is this round 3 or 4 i cant remeber
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Valerius
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:22:00 -
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in all honesty?
BoB
i dont like saying it but some corps in D2 (namely the old G ones) have fought BoB for years! dunno much of the others but BoB has been resisting them the entire time...
BoB has a huge industrial backing and as such can support itself over a very very long time whilst D2 also ofc has industrials of their own I do not believe they can match it... atm the only way anyone could win over BoB would be to agressively invade their entire space to drain out the industry.. ofc this would require several months worth of hard fighting in itself and BoB is sure to make it a good one
Val ___________________________
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: DANGEROUS D2 is alone not capable of fighting off a FULL bob invasion imo. Too many skilled pilots are no longer flying under the D2 banner. Although maybe i am just not up to date!
I'm in the same boat as you mate, I don't get a good picture of who would fight alongside D2 but chances are it would the same as always and wouldn't be surprized (maybe it's just wishfull thinking though) that the old G/IRON pilots would all fly under the same commanders they were used to, no matter what alliance they are in now.
On top of that, RA has always been blue to the north and with some decent diplomatic work, we could very well end with AAA, Goonswarm, TCF and more all teaming up with the north. So, it does not matter if BoB is going for Ragoons next, or D2, the possibility of an all-out war against BoB exists.
The only 2 difficulties I foresee is having people engaging in POS wars to take BoB's space (most hate POS wars with passion) and coordinating so many people with different mentalities (maybe fighting on different fronts and only teaming up on critical occasions would do it though).
Industry or pilot skills are irrelevant IMHO, like distance (IRON alone fields 60 PvPers every night since I lost a contact lens in FIX's space and they refuse to give it back, being mean enough to wardec us to hinder our research operations ).
With ASCN now out of the equation, 2007 might be interesting. 'bout time ! ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
schemering
Shibari Mure
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja With ASCN now out of the equation, 2007 might be interesting.
ASCN as an entity, maybe. But the various ex-ASCN corps might want to get some revenge.
What nobody seems to have mentioned in this thread so far is the fact that FIX wardeccing IRON could well be a prelude to get this whole gangbang started.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nahual
Note: MC is not considered a bob friend as they are bob alts
Its so true however for the record I am not Yazoul Samaiel alt....
He is my alt
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chromer one
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: chromer one on 03/01/2007 13:48:07 lol.. as to that LV is only concerned own matters/space... lol All alliance ops where i've bein are bein other's systems and for others matters..
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Butter Dog
Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:52:00 -
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ISS wouldnt get involved.
They have two outposts in Pure Blind to think about.
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: chromer one Edited by: chromer one on 03/01/2007 13:48:07 lol.. as to that LV is only concerned own matters/space... lol All alliance ops where i've bein are bein other's systems and for others matters..
Once operations started vs BoB im sure any militarial leader would hit an LV home system with some large battle-pos's to take away sov just to keep you occupied.
Well, thats what i would do. _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways. |
DANGEROUS
PHANT0MS
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: DANGEROUS D2 is alone not capable of fighting off a FULL bob invasion imo. Too many skilled pilots are no longer flying under the D2 banner. Although maybe i am just not up to date!
I'm in the same boat as you mate, I don't get a good picture of who would fight alongside D2 but chances are it would the same as always and wouldn't be surprized (maybe it's just wishfull thinking though) that the old G/IRON pilots would all fly under the same commanders they were used to, no matter what alliance they are in now.
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agreed
there is a shared feeling when the north is faced by BoB. They are probably the only hostile that ALL northern people would forget any hard feelings between themselves for. I would relish the chance to fight them again, but the banner that I would enjoy most flying under is not available to me!!
Thats what happens when your actions and motivations get misunderstood.
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RedClaws
Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:02:00 -
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why the heck would D2 decide to attack now when only 1 month ago they had the greatest opportunity they could ever have?(When bob was still actively fighting ascn with full force)
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Quarantine
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are.
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: DeadDuck
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are.
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
Then team up and fight bob... sheesh _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways. |
Lucre
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim i doubt d2 and allies would want to dedicate the next 6+ months to siege bob space.
Other problem is that to an alliance like BoB, the concept of "BoB space" is somewhat nebulous. As they've just demonstrated, if they concentrate their forces BoB could wander in and take pretty much any region they felt like. So take one or more of "their" regions away - most of which are inhabited by pet corps anyway - not to mention many having NPC stations they can retire their assets/bases to - and they could just wander someplace else and take that.
Besides, taking its space isn't enough to kill an alliance - you have to fracture it, again as just demonstrated. Most of ASCN is still playing, its capital fleet is mostly intact, it could as an alliance do what we've done as a corp and retreat to regroup. But alliance unity was gone, confidence in leadership was gone (which is a tragic shame as Virt could have been a great leader, but was dumped in an impossible position, too late to retrieve) and corps became more interested in saving their stations than their principles.
Could anyone ever put BoB in such a state? Interesting question, serious challenge! - It's great not being ASCN any more, aint it? |
Snowcrow
Minmatar BINFORD Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:12:00 -
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Quote: why the heck would D2 decide to attack now when only 1 month ago they had the greatest opportunity they could ever have?(When bob was still actively fighting ascn with full force)
... because now, they have their titan.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 14:19:52
Originally by: RedClaws why the heck would D2 decide to attack now when only 1 month ago they had the greatest opportunity they could ever have?(When bob was still actively fighting ascn with full force)
Maybe as payback for the trust fiasco? D2 never forgave ASCN for that.
The question has to be where would ex-ASCN corps that took up BoB's tenancy offer stand, if this came to pass. Would you continue to pay rent to BoB or would you rebel?
And no you don't have to answer that, its hypothetical.
[edit:typo]
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thoradh
AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 14:14:41
Originally by: RedClaws why the heck would D2 decide to attack now when only 1 month ago they had the greatest opportunity they could ever have?(When bob was still actively fighting ascn with full force)
Maybe as payback for the trust fiasco? D2 never forgave ASCN for that.
Perhaps its wise to not interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake...
As to the possibility of a massive war, that will take us right the way through 2007, well its looking more and more likely thats precisely what is going to happen, and its long overdue, as there's many a score to be settled.
> > Noli illegitimi carborundum! > |
Dave Tehsulei
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dominie Dirtch
Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: DeadDuck
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are.
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
Then team up and fight bob... sheesh
If/when Bob comes up north (I cantÆ see the northerners launching an attack on bob), id be very tempted to fight on bob's side against the northern blob. I've never been a fan of BOB and have been in corps/alliances hostile to them all my eve life. However in recent times they have been a much more respectful and honourable entity to fight than the groups IÆve encountered in the north these past few months.
There are some good fighters left in the north but its a shame they have to associate with the smack talkers, loggers and other undesirables IÆve encountered here just to ensure the combined northern blob stays huge.
I hope outbreak is still in the area when the fight starts.
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:21:00 -
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Additionally, im sure Insurgency would be more than happy to fight BoB with D2 and AAA _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways. |
Myadra
Amarr Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:22:00 -
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/endorses kiaeddz post
Yes, I see a universe war coming.... and have seen the future, people will refer to this as , UW I in the future ... everyone get into your bunkers and hide !!
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The Anointed
Caldari StarBug Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:23:00 -
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The optimist in me would love to see that fight, but the pessimist in me thinks that if d2 were napping up the north, then it would be more likely because they are expecting bob to come pay them a visit and not the other way around.
I guess the biggest decider on whether or not an invasion would/could happen would be just how many areas of bob space D2+ allies think they can hit at the same time without spreading too thinly.
As far as sides, I honestly have no idea who would side with D2, although I would suggest that there would be a lot of people willing to grin a bare it in order to defeat BoB. How successful and reliable an alliance built on that would be though, is another discussion in itself.
As far as BoB allies goes, that is where the really interesting part is. For a start, if for instance D2+ are not firmly invested in a do or die war against bob, how long would they last in an invasion? Would BoB even need allies to hold out for that long? For a more interesting arguments sake, say that D2+ were tied by strong bonds and in it for the win. Other than the Fixians, 'allies' as far as I can see it is applied to anyone that is renting space from BoB.
So what 'allies' would be willing to fight it out if they thought that BoB would loose? MC stated their cost to fight BoB, when the ascn thing kicked off would be that of 4 stations with Pos's and the opportunity costs of loosing their 0.0 space. So then, if MC were to be convinced that BoB would not survive the invasion, how much do you think it would cost to buy their neutrality? Surely BoB would be happy with that as well, because adding MC to their list of enemies in an invasion would not appear to be a good idea. It could be argued that this offer could be applied to anyone renting space from BoB. (This is in no way implying that those alliances are thickle, but merely if it is simply a business deal they have, that it would be bad business to fight a fight you do not think you will win, especially seeing as if you loose, you will loose everything)
ISS, well, their involvement would mean a vote, which I would vote against. Not the best of moves to get involved in a conflict that they have the opportunity to avoid. Nothing more to be said really. Unless BoB members were to have an incredibly large share in ISS, which could swing a vote?
Other than that, you may see 'tactical voting'. For Instance, would LV, V et al. get involved to keep arguably the biggest pvp force in game? I would find that difficult to understand, especially with the fact that I have seen a lot of 'Standings reset to 0' posts from BoB over the years. What would they gain from the fight? If they stayed out of it, they would most likely gain several months of carebear time with the opportunity to gain a foothold on their space, whilst also watching other major entities loose their space and weaken their fighting power.
If it was to happen the decider would be how long D2+ could keep it together, if they do not plan for a long haul, a really long haul, then BoB would most likely not need allies to survive before the D2+ alliance falls apart and people start leaving. On the other hand, if D2+ could hold together, they could carve a nice little chunk of the galaxy up for themselves.
Worst case scenario, as I am sure others would agree, would be D2+ narrowly win, then BoB has no home, nothing to loose and is now full of some rather ****ed off people. If D2+ vs. BoB was going to happen, they best make sure that the management of BoB loose interest in the game, cause if the driving force that has been there for so many years is still there at the end, then you may as well not have bothered in the first place.
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei
Originally by: Dominie Dirtch
Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: DeadDuck
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are.
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
Then team up and fight bob... sheesh
If/when Bob comes up north (I cantÆ see the northerners launching an attack on bob), id be very tempted to fight on bob's side against the northern blob. I've never been a fan of BOB and have been in corps/alliances hostile to them all my eve life. However in recent times they have been a much more respectful and honourable entity to fight than the groups IÆve encountered in the north these past few months.
There are some good fighters left in the north but its a shame they have to associate with the smack talkers, loggers and other undesirables IÆve encountered here just to ensure the combined northern blob stays huge.
I hope outbreak is still in the area when the fight starts.
Im sure xirt wouldnt be happy about you saying that :)
Additionally, BoB smack talk and flame and a plethora of other undesirable things to their enemies, infiltrate their forums, post blogs etc...
BoB are not honorable, they dont know the meaning of it... _________ My voice shall tear you asunder and show your vile ways. |
Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Adam C on 03/01/2007 14:36:56 Adam C try to take a deeper look
i admit my comments were narrow-minded to within a degree.
i am not going to give this alot of thought because quite franky the north is entertainment.
and that there is the difference
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thoradh
AirHawk Alliance Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: The Anointed Interesting points...
For the coming war to have a 'real' conclusion it would mean the complete destruction of one side or the other. By that I mean all their identifiable 0.0 infrastructure, soverign space, empire based industrial infrastructure, and intra-alliance power blocs.
In the case of BoB that means the complete destruction of BoB, MC, LV, Fix and all their 0.0 'tenants'. Nothing less. There will be no 'deal' done with MC as we all know full well there is no difference of opinion between the two, and they are regarded as one and the same entity.
Would this be a year long undertaking? Doubtless. Is the outcome certain? Far from it. Will the galaxy be a very different place by the end of 2007? Most certainly.
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tikki
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: tikki on 03/01/2007 14:39:03 As an ex D2 member my heart says D2 would put up a fight, my head says a) they don't have the courage to attack BoB, b) Unless they have shaped up in the last couple of months they wouldn't stand a chance.
I'm not D2 bashing, they have some excellent corps and some excellent pilots. In the event of a Universe War I'd love to be flying with them, however my experience of the XZH war with Goonies and the TCF debacle in the north highlighted some real deficiencies in D2s ability to coordinate large fleet combat and POS wars. Hopefully they have learnt from the recent experieces and could really give BoB a run for their money.
When the fighting commences sign me up
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 03/01/2007 14:51:30
Originally by: Dominie Dirtch
Originally by: chromer one Edited by: chromer one on 03/01/2007 13:48:07 lol.. as to that LV is only concerned own matters/space... lol All alliance ops where i've bein are bein other's systems and for others matters..
Once operations started vs BoB im sure any militarial leader would hit an LV home system with some large battle-pos's to take away sov just to keep you occupied.
Well, thats what i would do.
Er... gl out POS spamming enslaver.
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Sgt Jinxed
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
BoB + Allies... For Sure: Xelas Potential: LV, V
D2 + Allies Potential: RedSwarm, ASCN, POS
In my opinion. On the bob side: Xelas: I doubt they'll participate. Reasons: 1st: Not remotely good enough to do anything to D2, and 2nd: Celes/Horde should be keeping them plenty busy I would think. I doubt BoB would want to involve them in any event.
LV, V: I'd think they're busy enough trying to stop ragoon? Maybe I've missed something as I've been away a few days, but I don't think RA is done with them.
On the d2 side: Redswarm: They're plenty busy with lv, v, and it's way too far away for them to have an interest I reckon. Look at what happened in the ascn war. People just didn't bother helping for various reasons. Apathy was one of them.
Ascn: While 1-2 corps in there might decide to go to delve/fountain for the duration of the war, I highly doubt they'll want to involve themselves in d2 space. Reasons: Nobody there really wants to go through the same thing again I would think, and d2 had their chance to do something to bob but laughed at ascn and so I think they'll return the favor. In either event, ASCN is not really a big entity anymore.
POS: Are you serious? You're kidding, right?
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
In my opinion. On the bob side: Xelas: I doubt they'll participate. Reasons: 1st: Not remotely good enough to do anything to D2, and 2nd: Celes/Horde should be keeping them plenty busy I would think. I doubt BoB would want to involve them in any event.
Xelas owe BoB, in the event that BoB are under pressure from the combined forces they face, they may well call in Xelas. YOU may seem them as incompetent, BoB will see them as numbers.
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
LV, V: I'd think they're busy enough trying to stop ragoon? Maybe I've missed something as I've been away a few days, but I don't think RA is done with them.
I'm gonna my reasons for RA and Goons joining D2s fight below are accepted, in which case LV/V will be less busy, and could well be doing with making an ally of note....
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
On the d2 side: Redswarm: They're plenty busy with lv, v, and it's way too far away for them to have an interest I reckon. Look at what happened in the ascn war. People just didn't bother helping for various reasons. Apathy was one of them.
Redswarm KNOW that they ar eon BoBs list. They can sit back and watch D2 maybe fail, or they can go help and attempt to ensure D2 succeed.... its a no brainer really.
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
Ascn: While 1-2 corps in there might decide to go to delve/fountain for the duration of the war, I highly doubt they'll want to involve themselves in d2 space. Reasons: Nobody there really wants to go through the same thing again I would think, and d2 had their chance to do something to bob but laughed at ascn and so I think they'll return the favor. In either event, ASCN is not really a big entity anymore.
ASCN's member corps have a lot of bitter feelings towards BoB... my inclusion of them is simply revenge and anger are one of the strongest emotions known to man...
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
POS: Are you serious? You're kidding, right?
I dont kid, its not in my nature. My corp title isn't "Adolf" for nothing.
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