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Imode
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:00:00 -
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Nice post Marko. ____________________________ My sig, therefore I am. |
DeltaH
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:05:00 -
[122]
You have pretty eyes Marko. ---
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Peoke
Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:07:00 -
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well all i know is u have smash who fought bob since they chose tpar as thier new home and rk who is ex stain. why on earth would we side with bob. weve fought twice vs the north and in the end were here with our stations if bob started a war wouldnt u think all these groups like us and roadkill would go have fun a little more
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:23:00 -
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Marko said it very well.
A fight like this is either a drag-em out slug fest, or squid bashing. I don't know enough about the present day D2, but I know what I'de like to see, and I know it has potential.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Attak Political speculation! I love it!
Looking at the allies, we have: D2/RZR/IRON/MM, and to a lesser extent YW/CDC/FLA/new region alliances. Then there's BoB/Xelas/FIX/MC The wildcards would be AAA, CELES/HORDE and LV/RedSwarm
All in all, AAA could cancel out FIX involvement, and probably push querious if D2 went on the offensive. RedSwarm and LV doubtfully would get heavily involved, since they would leave territory exposed to each other. CELES/HORDE would neutralize Xelas, leaving BoB to fend for itself during a longer campaign. Which it is more than capable of doing.
After that, though, it's all up in the air. D2+allies could bring a good fight to a solo BoB, however since they seem to be so defensive BoB may well have to start knocking them around up north first. I think the primary strategy would be breaking the smaller alliances first, but with a little coordination and strategy I think the north could turn any offensive by BoB into a stalemate.
Of course, that would be boring. Several things are bound to happen besides. What if AAA and RedSwarm took the former ASCN space? Or BoB allies with RK/SMASH and starts hounding D2 from a different angle? RISE could certainly be a factor, or at least their stations would be, and CELES/HORDE may well take fountain with fleet support from the north. There's so many variables, a war could go either direction. In the end though, I don't think BoB could hold the north even if they win, and I doubt D2 could kick them out of the NPC stations in Delve if it came to that.
You seriusly think fix is on the same level as aaa ?
I was going to ask the same thing. It would have to be McFix to defend their space against you. I doubt they could go on the offensive against you without getting their homes taken out. What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp. |
scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Debreault If BoB get bopped on the nose early they'll regroup and come back, more determined, after they've had time to refit their pilots. If D2 and its chimpanzee buddies start losing then things get interesting. Backs to the wall, carebears crying, the military tradition of G might emerge like the ghost of christmas past, but angrier. BoB wouldn't be content to hold space. If it has momentum it will push until nothing pushes back. D2 has a large industry backbone, but would it do the things it needs to win? Would it produce tier 2 guns at cost for the alliance? Would it purchase snake sets for its interdictor pilots? Those two things right there would make a difference in winning fleet fights and building up momentum. Its up to D2 to not die quickly. If it managed to prolong the fight long enough to train its pilots then it begins to be a denser, less spongy target. Once the carebears read how to fit their fleet ship and buys affordable top notch guns, a few start emerging who can click on the primary, align their ship to warp out, and do all the other small essential things you need to be a valued soldier.
D2 has a stronger nucleus than ASCN. If it isn't initially overwhelmed from without and within than it could fight to a stalemate. BoB would take whichever single region it aimed at, but unseating D2 from the whole North simply wouldn't happen if D2 could weather the first 8 weeks. Time is on D2's side.
Yea, I got basically nothing done at work today.
Grrr I was just typing something very very similar. I think the ppl in D2 would have to work as a team, share their stuff, and work for free (mining trit to build a BS for that guy to your right). What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp. |
DeltaH
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:32:00 -
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I actually went and read the thread after reading Markos post!
How can CELES be seriously thrown in as a factor. Has no one paid attention to the last 4 months?
If CELES was ever going to matter they just had their best chance with the BoB vs ASCN war.
The outcome?
CELES lives in Fountain Core just like before, and BoB controls 3 more regions. ---
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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Crucifier
You seriusly think fix is on the same level as aaa ?
No, but they are a good alliance. Considering they live in BoB space I think the amount of resources it would take to capture Querious would be enough to tie up AAA for the duration of a north/south war.
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Rippey
Minmatar hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.04 02:34:00 -
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Imho.
The servers won't sustain a GNW part II, of which caliber this war would be. It would be lag vs lag, and POS vs lag, and blob vs blob, and 20+ seconds activation time later, blob vs lag.
A big coalition vs coalition would theoretically be fun, but, in the current state of EVE and it's servers / client capacity, it's nothing at all to go hooray or hope for.
Imho.
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whisk
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.04 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: whisk on 04/01/2007 04:14:32
Originally by: katz3
Originally by: Quarantine
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
lol, wtf are you talking about ? you wont even fight vs 20 BS...why should we bring 100 ?
I suggest you go look at the battle summaries on your own killboard in regards to those fights we had in 6NJ, you'll find that outbreak will fight you outnumbered.
The reason we decided not to fight you on one particular night, which i'm sure is the one you are refering to was because we scouted you're secondary blob ready to jump into system and warp in, we couldn't be bothered to fight with someone who felt they needed an even bigger blob in order to counter us.
It also seems that you were present in two of the fights that took place, so what you are talking about i really do not know.
Also do you remember what you brought to take down our small POS, do you also remember what we had and do you remember us fighting you?
In regards to this D2 vs BoB thing, less talking about it, more doing it.
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Ashis
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.04 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun You guys are being too narrow with the ASCN / North thing.
U have to now consider the ascn corps on thier own, and not all of them are hated by or hate the north.
G came down and invaded Feyth, We went up and took out Trust.
Sheesh - the way some people talk you'd think that no other entities in EvE ever attacked each other.
I for one will be on the D2 side when the battle royale starts, whether that is officially in an "alliance," or providing them with supplies, or just flying out into Bobs supply lines to do some ganking.
Is this because I hate Bob? God know - they are good guys - but they just blew up some of my stuff so I want to return the favour.
Some people here are so melodramatic. It's a ship combat game - if we don't have a lil pew pew wtf else are we gonna do?
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XoPhyte
Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.04 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: XoPhyte on 04/01/2007 05:19:11
Originally by: Marko Debreault Lotsa stuff
That was very well written and a very interesting read.
Originally by: Marko Debreault
Who cares about the dominix with T2 350mm rails - that guy is just watching the pretty lights anyway.
Originally by: Marko Debreault Once hes out a few BS, he's coming back in an absolution or something. Suddenly he's a glorified frigate killer, shooting and missing the snake set interdictors who havent died in umpteen fleetfights in a row because they go 12km/s.
That made me lol!
--- Siggy Starts Here---
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight
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Sgt Jinxed
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.04 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sgt Jinxed on 04/01/2007 07:27:28 Edited by: Sgt Jinxed on 04/01/2007 07:26:40
Originally by: Kronarty
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
I highly doubt POS will join in. Seriously now, I know you weren't involved in the ascn/bob war, but you should be able to do the math on how much (or little) they participated in the ascn war. Also, bob has left them alone for now, so I highly doubt they'll get motivated to join in, as they prolly don't want BoB and their pet alliance in Paragon Soul would evict them faster than they could say "maybe we made a mistake".
As for talking without being involved, what if you take your own advice? BoB took one of our systems (BY-MSY) a few days ago, we managed to recapture it and now they have the towers in our station systems in reinforced, hell, they brought the titan and all.
Now tell me again how alone are they leaving us?
Hmm gotta love the odd mistake of putting in a 'would' instead of a 'to' I made there. Guess I should stop posting when I'm in a hurry to leave for work =)
Anyway to to the point.
I'd just like to start off by saying that I wasn't telling eddz to quiet down just because he wasn't involved. At least that wasn't my intention :) I'm sorry that you feel like I'm stepping on your toes or whatever, and I will admit I have stopped following what goes on down there after it all went to **** with axe/ascn. I simply assumed they had left you alone since they weren't bothering you during the big war. I'll retract that part of my statement, and I apologize for any and all inconvenience I've caused you or yours (there that should settle it ). Grats on taking back your outpost, but I highly doubt you could do anything to stop bob if they really decided to evict you, which sadly seems like where they are going if your post is any indication of how things are going (not intended as a flame, only logic). Anyway the point of my previous post was just to point out that you had too much to loose by joining in, and could be dealt with or at least kept occupied enough not to be a bother to BoB during a potential d2 war.
Good to see you're finally fighting though. Best of luck to all of you (yes I do mean that) :)
*edited for no apparent reason other than because I can !*
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.04 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Blacklight on 04/01/2007 07:36:10
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed ..whatever..
In short POS will be looking for a new home soon, no more speculation required.
Blog
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Sgt Jinxed
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.04 08:25:00 -
[135]
Don't you whatever me !
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Liora Vahan
Gallente Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.01.04 09:48:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Proxay
both have very capable pvp sides,
You obviously aren't referring to your own alliance there.
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Sovy Kurosei
Amarr Therianthropic Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.04 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Sovy Kurosei on 04/01/2007 10:08:09 Was going to make a thread asking what POS is going to do with regards to their new neighbor but I guess that is it. ___________________
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TechnoMag
Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:07:00 -
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FFS stop reading forums and move your biggest ship to south ... Let the war begin no more nap and nap and nap (or wait let X decide) choose a side and start show some gun's..
On the other hand only the first wave will be tough ... after few doomsday's activations i will see 95% from razor/fla and other carebear pets from north back to home and never come back to the fight... And than lets see how d2+iron (the only tru pvp'ers from north) will fight at 100jumps from home ... logistic will be a disaster...
Nevermind this month or never should the war begin... and BTW CCP must track this war and allocate resources to those clusters where fights will take place or it will be a forum war with thousands of post: im stuck im stuck
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Astarte Nosferatu
MBN Holding Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: TechnoMag
And than lets see how d2+iron (the only tru pvp'ers from north) will fight at 100jumps from home ... logistic will be a disaster...
Last time GIRON didn't have that much trouble moving their whole fleet and a large part of the industry 80+ jumps south to Stain and Feyth.
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: TechnoMag FFS stop reading forums and move your biggest ship to south ... Let the war begin no more nap and nap and nap (or wait let X decide) choose a side and start show some gun's..
On the other hand only the first wave will be tough ... after few doomsday's activations i will see 95% from razor/fla and other carebear pets from north back to home and never come back to the fight... And than lets see how d2+iron (the only tru pvp'ers from north) will fight at 100jumps from home ... logistic will be a disaster...
Nevermind this month or never should the war begin... and BTW CCP must track this war and allocate resources to those clusters where fights will take place or it will be a forum war with thousands of post: im stuck im stuck
I can tell Iron's running out of steam already. But maybe it's just a temporary lapse... It's been about 10 days of raids and whatnot... I don't think they planned logistics for a protracted campaign. Since we declared on them, the killboard patterns changed drastically. Pity the fool |
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marcouk2
Gallente Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
Originally by: TechnoMag FFS stop reading forums and move your biggest ship to south ... Let the war begin no more nap and nap and nap (or wait let X decide) choose a side and start show some gun's..
On the other hand only the first wave will be tough ... after few doomsday's activations i will see 95% from razor/fla and other carebear pets from north back to home and never come back to the fight... And than lets see how d2+iron (the only tru pvp'ers from north) will fight at 100jumps from home ... logistic will be a disaster...
Nevermind this month or never should the war begin... and BTW CCP must track this war and allocate resources to those clusters where fights will take place or it will be a forum war with thousands of post: im stuck im stuck
I can tell Iron's running out of steam already. But maybe it's just a temporary lapse... It's been about 10 days of raids and whatnot... I don't think they planned logistics for a protracted campaign. Since we declared on them, the killboard patterns changed drastically.
Haulers full of Zyd are very hard to resist
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JA RULER
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:22:00 -
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Ok here some news or not.
AAA have already started to move freighters into delve through the a@ pipe with D2 as escorts. they did this while Iron attacked FIX at the same time in #-F with a sizable force a few days ago or so.
so while some are speculating and soem are thinking it will never come to pass. It looks as though AAA and D2 have already made started.
Now that BOB has ended its war with ASCN rather quicker than AAA, D2 and IRON would have liked things may either now be rushed through or they may hold out until ISS are removed from 0.0.
looks like 07 will be even more of a troublesome year for the south.
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Nev Clavain
Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
I suggest that this thread isnt for those protagonists that will be involved, but more those that would like to express an opinion in who would be victor in such a conflict.
Hmmm well to be honest the only reason I even care a tiny bit is that should such a war happen, it would doubtless provide much ad lib entertainment right here in this very forum. It is always great to see really, really dedicated 'gamers' battle it out in an epic contest of wit and intellect.
I have often considered the possibility that most of the larger alliances have some kind of mass strategy to bicker like children and fools in arguments which nearly always come down to the following formula:
A: We pwnt U, you are the worstest enemy ever. B: You didn't pwn us, we are t3h pwnerers; teh m4sters of pwn. A: No we did pwn you look at my killboard linky haha B: That is becos you were not playing fair that doesnt count. A: wow not fair tin foil hats pls kekeke
2 days later...
B: haha now we pwn you A: those ships you destroyed dont count they err... weren't ours B: killboard linky - they were yours hahaha A: oh those shps, that kind of ship doesnt count B: Doesnt count rofl lollercoptor nub they count. A: doesnt matter you dont post your losses anyway B: yes we do ask anyone
...ad infinitum...
In case anyone identifies with A, or B, they are both equally pathetic.
However I really shouldn't criticise, because for some dark and twisted reason I find people writing these things a most entertaining read.
I think the underlying strategy is to take over the universe while everyone is logged off for days on end reading these forum clowns hurl the ****y at one another in 100 page threads.
MY prediction as to the winner: Neither.
If a war of such scale does go down the sheer forum activity will probably put the server down for good. IN the event tranquility stays up under the inceased load, I would predict both sides go on a gargantuan 14 day gaming marathon, in which a great deal of them perish in real life because they forget to take on enough fluids. After this some small and insignificant alliance will poach all of the contested space, while the former powers that be lie catatonic at the loss of their gaming buddies to the epic struggle.
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RabbidFerret
Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zylatis Edited by: Zylatis on 03/01/2007 13:07:57 dont forget CORE on D2 side!
We have aussies, we'll come whack you with cricket bats in suits of ned kelly armour
-Z
RabbidFerret HR Director Templars of Space C.O.R.E Alliance
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PanzerGrenadier
Caldari Templars of Space CORE.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zylatis Edited by: Zylatis on 03/01/2007 13:07:57 dont forget CORE on D2 side!
We have aussies, we'll come whack you with cricket bats in suits of ned kelly armour
-Z
Amen!
YARRRRRR
Ned Kelly armor ftw!
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Machiavelli7
Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:05:00 -
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All this speculation, while fun, misses one bleedin' obvious point:
SOME PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO 50+ JUMPS FOR A FIGHT!!
Can't think of anything more boring myself. I remember the last time a big north v south coalition was attempted, and it fell to pieces because most entities can find someone to shoot much closer to home. |
Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 06/01/2007 02:28:15
Originally by: Machiavelli7 All this speculation, while fun, misses one bleedin' obvious point:
SOME PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO 50+ JUMPS FOR A FIGHT!!
Can't think of anything more boring myself. I remember the last time a big north v south coalition was attempted, and it fell to pieces because most entities can find someone to shoot much closer to home.
Yeah this issue has been brought up before in another time when a North vs South was engineered, perhaps too artificially. And its a valid question, why travel 50+ jumps to shoot somebody? When you can surely shoot somebody next door.
Well the answer is simple. Its done because it can be done.. because there is an entity in this game that *will* travel 100+ jumps and more to shoot somebody they deem unworthy of 0.0 existance.
The question then becomes not why travel 50+ jumps? .. but....
What happens if you don't?
If the conditions are such that in balance it is more favourable to travel the distance and get a more satisfactory outcome, why not do it? Is it not preferrable to do so than wait for somebody to travel 50+ jumps to you in what could turn out to be unfavourable circumstances? Circumstances exacerbated by the fact that you were not prepared to go the distance in the first place.
I guess it all depends on how badly you want to survive in the long run. Do you have what it takes? .. and if you don't there is no point kidding yourself or those around you that think you do, but will be sorely disappointed when the moment of truth arrives.
Sorry I'm being so longwinded, but I think you know of what I speak.. Machi.
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TasmanianX
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.06 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
Originally by: TechnoMag FFS stop reading forums and move your biggest ship to south ... Let the war begin no more nap and nap and nap (or wait let X decide) choose a side and start show some gun's..
On the other hand only the first wave will be tough ... after few doomsday's activations i will see 95% from razor/fla and other carebear pets from north back to home and never come back to the fight... And than lets see how d2+iron (the only tru pvp'ers from north) will fight at 100jumps from home ... logistic will be a disaster...
Nevermind this month or never should the war begin... and BTW CCP must track this war and allocate resources to those clusters where fights will take place or it will be a forum war with thousands of post: im stuck im stuck
I can tell Iron's running out of steam already. But maybe it's just a temporary lapse... It's been about 10 days of raids and whatnot... I don't think they planned logistics for a protracted campaign. Since we declared on them, the killboard patterns changed drastically.
Lag and patches...
Hopefully you fought with us tonight in the Big fight in 3-f...
Our killboard is back to normal, as you can see !
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