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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:05:00 -
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If your tempted to flame, to e-peen beat, or to poo poo the idea. Please leave the thread now.
Like many others I have heard rumours that D2 are actively napping, in preperation for Invasion of Bob home space....
We had a good sized MSN discussion this morning, looking at the potential allies for each side. if you are involved in planning this, if it indeed is being planned, then dont post here, or post mis information :), this thread is for speculation (KIA are no different to anyone else, we will be forced to choose sides if this conflict erupts)
I will list what i think, others can throw in opinions on those lists and additions to them.
So
BoB + Allies...
For Sure: MC, FiX, Xelas
Potential: LV, V, ISS
D2 + Allies
For sure: Morsus Mihi, Razor, Kith of Venal, IRON
Potential: RedSwarm, AAA, IAC, Freedom, ASCN, POS
The line ups look in favour of the agressors, but of course its MUCH harder to attack than to defend. The british in me wants to see the underdog win, but the realist in me sees only one winner.
I suggest that this thread isnt for those protagonists that will be involved, but more those that would like to express an opinion in who would be victor in such a conflict.
And what a conflict it would be... not sure the rumours are true though, if only.
(flame suit on :(, hopefully won't need it)
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oodin
Beyond Divinity Inc
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:06:00 -
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can we be in the middle?
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Local pusher
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:07:00 -
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Bob+Allies:
For Sure: GMs, DEVs, ISD
Here you go.
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Fi T''Zeh on 03/01/2007 12:11:13
We are bob, no one likes us, we don't care.
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Local pusher
Bob+Allies:
For Sure: GMs, DEVs, ISD
Here you go.
Post with main.
It'd be an intresting fight to be honest, both have very capable pvp sides, and they industrial backing that few can match.
Honestly, it may not even happen, it'd be intresting.
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Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Adam C on 03/01/2007 12:17:34
as much as i respect you
this is a premature thread sure it may lead somewhere, but still...
d2+ will rollover and die faster then ascn has, if bob attacked (in conquest mode) right now, considering toxin softening up the north a considerable amount
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WETRAIN
Minmatar
ROMANIA Renegades
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:17:00 -
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BoB doesnt need allies 
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:18:00 -
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Whilst I appreciate your sentiment Adam, the rumours are (they have been started by some internal spie threads etc) that D2 are napping up, creating pacts, to in fact invade BoB space, not the other way round.
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Hey You
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:19:00 -
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First - That would be best think for EvE. A global war. Second - Not another BoB thread. Third - Will never happend. Fourth - Would a hug help?
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Adam C
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Adam C on 03/01/2007 12:20:53
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Whilst I appreciate your sentiment Adam, the rumours are (they have been started by some internal spie threads etc) that D2 are napping up, creating pacts, to in fact invade BoB space, not the other way round.
unless your privy to facts, i wiser guess would be they are in fact ultimate fkin carebears in it for the isk and pve gameplay
this is misinformation, i think
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Whilst I appreciate your sentiment Adam, the rumours are (they have been started by some internal spie threads etc) that D2 are napping up, creating pacts, to in fact invade BoB space, not the other way round.
Sounds to me like you want BoB to invade D2 space so your corporation can rent Venal.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:24:00 -
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Well.. for this thread to turn into something interesting, I think we need some more evidence that this is indeed on the cards.
So Eddz... would you mind sharing with the eager viewer, what exactly makes you think such a war is afoot?
One could conclude that the IAC<>ISS war is the catalyser for such a conflict.... its certainly the hottest war happening atm. And already some of the protagonists you have mentioned in your lineup have weighed in.. mainly MC/FIX/RA/Goons/TCF/AAA.
But.. that does not mean D2 and BoB are about to swing blows at eachother... we could go another 6 months without anything major happening.
Yes IRON is down south harrasing FIX and E-R are in fountain....expeditionary forces perhaps? ... but its a quite a leap to suggest that a full scale D2<>BoB mobilisiation is forthcoming.
Obviously you must know something extra... care to share it? 
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Nahual
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Adam C
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Whilst I appreciate your sentiment Adam, the rumours are (they have been started by some internal spie threads etc) that D2 are napping up, creating pacts, to in fact invade BoB space, not the other way round.
unless your privvy* to facts, i wiser guess would be they are in fact ultimate fkin carebears in it for the isk and pve gameplay
Down adam, I know I've criticised D2 a fair bit in the past, but I personally cant wait for the fun to happy, I think D2's big projects are out of the way and they're looking for some fun (I know how much fun the old campagins were). I think personally, that d2 will have more friends, bob is more isolated than D2 is, and even if Bob is better than D2 - their friends definately aren't on the same level.
Note: MC is not considered a bob friend as they are bob alts 
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katz3
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Adam C
Edited by: Adam C on 03/01/2007 12:17:34
as much as i respect you
this is a premature thread sure it may lead somewhere, but still...
d2+ will rollover and die faster then ascn has, if bob attacked (in conquest mode) right now, considering toxin
softening up the north a considerable amount
right...you better go hug your npc station really fast !! 
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Well.. for this thread to turn into something interesting, I think we need some more evidence that this is indeed on the cards.
Lets assume we have the evidence, for the sake of "fun" then, what do you think would happen if this was idd "on the cards".
The debate in KIA has raged all morning, with different people strongly arguing the case for each side, and idd each sides potential involvees.
I have no evidence that I am able to share, sorry, so you'll just have to do "conjecture and speculation" :)
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Kcel Chim
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:41:00 -
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napping everyone to stick it to someone usually doesnt work. Sure d2 can most likely mobilize the nap city the north has become but lets think for a second how effective this kind of invasion would be considering server stability and the duration it would take to really do serious damage.
Lets not forget that bob is different steel then i.e. ASCN for example.
As other posters stated i can forsee a roadtrip but i doubt d2 and allies would want to dedicate the next 6+ months to siege bob space.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 12:45:53
Originally by: KIAEddZ
I have no evidence that I am able to share, sorry, so you'll just have to do "conjecture and speculation" :)
boo... hiss... 
k... well lets play anyways.. sounds fun.
Lets pretend this is actually gonna happen. And if so it would be all out war across EVE, no entity would be untouched by it. Thats for sure.
I think to make any kind of analysis one has to break the protagonists into power blocks that have their own political and military gravitational field.
Also I believe that such a war would not be only about D2 vs BoB, the protagonists on either side would use the war to further their own objectives.
So lets line up the power blocks: on one side D2, RAGooons, AAA and on the other BoB and LV.
K now... lets look at which of these already has their hands full with a raging war. LV and RAGoon are squared up and kind of neutralise eachother.
That leaves D2/AAA vs BoB. (note that i'm treating these as power blocks with their accompanying allies, just to simplify things)
K the key here is AAA imo.. they are the wildcard.... if AAA have already napped with D2, this whole thing *is* gonna happen.
And if D2+allies pull out all the stops and AAA play for keeps...... my conclusion is that BoB+tennants will get overrun.
What do you think about that Eddz?
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Nekumi
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:45:00 -
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I think two most likely things that might happen as a result of this big of a conflict would be...
1. In the short-term for mercs it'll seem like a wet dream but it'll eventually mean the death of the industry until it is resolved one way or the other. With something on this scale, you will have to pick your sides and stick with them through hell or high water.
2. The second and most horrendous thing will be what will happen to these forums. Whoring and trolling will reach new depths and depravities.
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Like many others I have heard rumours that D2 are actively napping, in preperation for Invasion of Bob home space....
*snicker*
So many, so, so obvious jokes to be made here.
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar
Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:49:00 -
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If AAA + D2 team up with RAGOON i see very little standing in their way.
If D2 extend their manufacturing to their new allies at a cheaper price (D2 is and allways has been the strongest manufacturing alliance ingame but don't take that as they are care bares because their not) then i have no doubt in my mind no matter what stands infront of them if it be BoB/MC/LV/FIX group, they D2 side will win without a doubt.
AAA alone would hurt bob beyond recognition, RAGOON would be a very big threat to bob solo, but with all three combined, BoB wouldn't stand a chance, since LV would be more concerned about their own home, whereas FIX/MC wouldnt have the numbers to stand up against AAA/D2/RAGOON.
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:54:00 -
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It's always funny to hear of D2 and Goon working together, but then in saying that D2 and AAA's relationship goes without saying and you ofc have a link with AAA and RA. So yea you never know.
I think in all honesty Goon and D2 would easily forget the past for the opportunity to take a genuine shot at BoB, however in my honest opinion it's not D2 nor Goon BoB will really sweat over, everyone keeps mentioning D2 and while they have a titan they've also sat up north and grown fat. What about the inshape AAA who've spent the past... well since their inception fighting Cap wars with AXE and them carebears they nicked Catch off.
Where as D2 has had a horrid time with Goonswarm and then with TCF, on both occastions underperforming from what many people expected from an alliance whom's heritage stems from G.
It probably will happen, but i don't view this as a D2 vs BoB thing, give the other alliances involved some credit especially the likes of RA/LV who've been fighting once of the most bitter and strategically advanced war for over a year now.
Need some salt, pop corn and maybe some nachos, although i cba with the nice salsa source cos it gives me a backside like the japanese flag.
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar
Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar
It's always funny to hear of D2 and Goon working together, but then in saying that D2 and AAA's relationship goes without saying and you ofc have a link with AAA and RA. So yea you never know.
I think in all honesty Goon and D2 would easily forget the past for the opportunity to take a genuine shot at BoB, however in my honest opinion it's not D2 nor Goon BoB will really sweat over, everyone keeps mentioning D2 and while they have a titan they've also sat up north and grown fat. What about the inshape AAA who've spent the past... well since their inception fighting Cap wars with AXE and them carebears they nicked Catch off.
Where as D2 has had a horrid time with Goonswarm and then with TCF, on both occastions underperforming from what many people expected from an alliance whom's heritage stems from G.
It probably will happen, but i don't view this as a D2 vs BoB thing, give the other alliances involved some credit especially the likes of RA/LV who've been fighting once of the most bitter and strategically advanced war for over a year now.
Need some salt, pop corn and maybe some nachos, although i cba with the nice salsa source cos it gives me a backside like the japanese flag.
I agree with you,
AAA alone would be more than a match for BoB imo.
They are more ruthless than bob and they do what it takes to win.
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KIATheClash
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:58:00 -
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gah maybe ill be back by then , lets hope so ;)
Mods this is currently my main .
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jnky
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: jnky on 03/01/2007 12:59:56
Where do you get some of this from.
Why would MC have an interest?
Potential: LV, V, ISS.....why?
Potential: RedSwarm, AAA, IAC, Freedom, ASCN(dead btw), POS.....why?
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skilzrulz
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:59:00 -
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Go bob!
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar
Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: jnky
Edited by: jnky on 03/01/2007 12:59:56
Where do you get some of this from.
Why would MC have an interest?
Potential: LV, V, ISS.....why?
Potential: RedSwarm, AAA, IAC, Freedom, ASCN(dead btw), POS.....why?
ASCN aren't dead lol.
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DANGEROUS
PHANT0MS
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:02:00 -
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imho D2 wont attack bob
However, i am sure BoB will attck them and this is where there could be a real fight. With its allies D2 may hold.
D2 is alone not capable of fighting off a FULL bob invaasion imo. to many skilled pilots are no longer flying under the D2 banner. Although maybe i am just not up to date!
D2 will let BoB come to them and use the advantage of working in their own backyard.
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Dracorimus
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:02:00 -
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Intriguing, well it certainly would be a fight of epic proportions now wouldn't it, one that would certainly be remembered in the history books.
Personally I would love it, more pew pew = more fun and more entertainment for me and my alliance which is a good thing !!
As has been said, it's always the hardest being the aggressor, so I would hope whomever it was/is that does come, has a serious backbone and lasts longer than 3 months, can take losing and can backup there forum posturing with in-game actions......and prove it !
If it does happen then I expect nothing less.....
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Zylatis
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Zylatis on 03/01/2007 13:07:57
dont forget CORE on D2 side!
We have aussies, we'll come whack you with cricket bats in suits of ned kelly armour
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dracorimus
As has been said, it's always the hardest being the aggressor, so I would hope whomever it was/is that does come, has a serious backbone and lasts longer than 3 months, can take losing and can backup there forum posturing with in-game actions......and prove it !
If it does happen then I expect nothing less.....
I think the interesting thing here is that this only works.. if D2 are the agressors....are they capable of it? who knows....
It only really makes sense if D2 initiates it.... lets face it BoB are going to have to micro-manage ASCN space for a little while. AAA have to mirco-manage ex-AXE space.
Neither of those is going to want to embark on operations on the other side of the galaxy for at least another couple of months... D2 has to do the legwork here.. if they don't, this is not going to happen.
If D2 don't make a move.. like soon.... they are gonna find BoB completely rested and in their backyard... and BoB on the offensive is much more dangerous than BoB defending, not because they are bad at defending but because they excel at offensive combat, its their bread and butter. I don't think there is a single entity in the game that can stand up to BoB on the offensive and certainly AAA aren't going to run up north to defend D2 space.
So if D2 want to enlist AAA's participation.. they have to move soon or not at all.
In conclusion.. either D2 go on the offensive or 3 months down the line they are going to have BoB all over them up north, the question is do D2 want an offensive war or a defensive one? And there is no way BoB is gonna let D2 sit in the north building Titans for ever.
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:16:00 -
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omg our secret plan is revealed 
we're doomed now, we can't win because Eddz said so 
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OozoO
Caldari
Decadence.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Zylatis
Edited by: Zylatis on 03/01/2007 13:07:57
dont forget CORE on D2 side!
We have aussies, we'll come whack you with cricket bats in suits of ned kelly armour
-Z
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Adam C
i wiser guess would be they are in fact ultimate fkin carebears in it for the isk and pve gameplay
Adam C try to take a deeper look at what you are killing... Do you honestly think that you are facing D2 ?
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are. Makes the job so much easier, if we REALLY want to make something about your corp. In the meanwhile have fun killing the npcer's that donÆt look at local
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Peoke
Caldari
Rome
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:20:00 -
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guys theres a better chance d2 will come fight smash and roadkill in geminate then ever leaving the north.
is this round 3 or 4 i cant remeber
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Valerius
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:22:00 -
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in all honesty?
BoB
i dont like saying it but some corps in D2 (namely the old G ones) have fought BoB for years! dunno much of the others but BoB has been resisting them the entire time...
BoB has a huge industrial backing and as such can support itself over a very very long time whilst D2 also ofc has industrials of their own I do not believe they can match it... atm the only way anyone could win over BoB would be to agressively invade their entire space to drain out the industry.. ofc this would require several months worth of hard fighting in itself and BoB is sure to make it a good one
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Sorja
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: DANGEROUS
D2 is alone not capable of fighting off a FULL bob invasion imo. Too many skilled pilots are no longer flying under the D2 banner. Although maybe i am just not up to date!
I'm in the same boat as you mate, I don't get a good picture of who would fight alongside D2 but chances are it would the same as always and wouldn't be surprized (maybe it's just wishfull thinking though) that the old G/IRON pilots would all fly under the same commanders they were used to, no matter what alliance they are in now.
On top of that, RA has always been blue to the north and with some decent diplomatic work, we could very well end with AAA, Goonswarm, TCF and more all teaming up with the north.
So, it does not matter if BoB is going for Ragoons next, or D2, the possibility of an all-out war against BoB exists.
The only 2 difficulties I foresee is having people engaging in POS wars to take BoB's space (most hate POS wars with passion) and coordinating so many people with different mentalities (maybe fighting on different fronts and only teaming up on critical occasions would do it though).
Industry or pilot skills are irrelevant IMHO, like distance (IRON alone fields 60 PvPers every night since I lost a contact lens in FIX's space and they refuse to give it back, being mean enough to wardec us to hinder our research operations  ).
With ASCN now out of the equation, 2007 might be interesting.
'bout time !
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Shibari Mure
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
With ASCN now out of the equation, 2007 might be interesting.
ASCN as an entity, maybe. But the various ex-ASCN corps might want to get some revenge.
What nobody seems to have mentioned in this thread so far is the fact that FIX wardeccing IRON could well be a prelude to get this whole gangbang started.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nahual
Note: MC is not considered a bob friend as they are bob alts
Its so true however for the record I am not Yazoul Samaiel alt....
He is my alt 
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chromer one
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: chromer one on 03/01/2007 13:48:07
lol.. as to that LV is only concerned own matters/space... lol
All alliance ops where i've bein are bein other's systems and for others matters..
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Butter Dog
Wreckless Abandon
The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:52:00 -
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ISS wouldnt get involved.
They have two outposts in Pure Blind to think about.
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar
Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: chromer one
Edited by: chromer one on 03/01/2007 13:48:07
lol.. as to that LV is only concerned own matters/space... lol
All alliance ops where i've bein are bein other's systems and for others matters..
Once operations started vs BoB im sure any militarial leader would hit an LV home system with some large battle-pos's to take away sov just to keep you occupied.
Well, thats what i would do.
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PHANT0MS
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: DANGEROUS
D2 is alone not capable of fighting off a FULL bob invasion imo. Too many skilled pilots are no longer flying under the D2 banner. Although maybe i am just not up to date!
I'm in the same boat as you mate, I don't get a good picture of who would fight alongside D2 but chances are it would the same as always and wouldn't be surprized (maybe it's just wishfull thinking though) that the old G/IRON pilots would all fly under the same commanders they were used to, no matter what alliance they are in now.
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agreed
there is a shared feeling when the north is faced by BoB. They are probably the only hostile that ALL northern people would forget any hard feelings between themselves for. I would relish the chance to fight them again, but the banner that I would enjoy most flying under is not available to me!!
Thats what happens when your actions and motivations get misunderstood.
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:02:00 -
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why the heck would D2 decide to attack now when only 1 month ago they had the greatest opportunity they could ever have?(When bob was still actively fighting ascn with full force)
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Quarantine
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: DeadDuck
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are.
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar
Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: DeadDuck
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are.
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
Then team up and fight bob... sheesh
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STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
i doubt d2 and allies would want to dedicate the next 6+ months to siege bob space.
Other problem is that to an alliance like BoB, the concept of "BoB space" is somewhat nebulous. As they've just demonstrated, if they concentrate their forces BoB could wander in and take pretty much any region they felt like. So take one or more of "their" regions away - most of which are inhabited by pet corps anyway - not to mention many having NPC stations they can retire their assets/bases to - and they could just wander someplace else and take that.
Besides, taking its space isn't enough to kill an alliance - you have to fracture it, again as just demonstrated. Most of ASCN is still playing, its capital fleet is mostly intact, it could as an alliance do what we've done as a corp and retreat to regroup. But alliance unity was gone, confidence in leadership was gone (which is a tragic shame as Virt could have been a great leader, but was dumped in an impossible position, too late to retrieve) and corps became more interested in saving their stations than their principles.
Could anyone ever put BoB in such a state? Interesting question, serious challenge!
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Snowcrow
Minmatar
BINFORD
Freelancer Coalition
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why the heck would D2 decide to attack now when only 1 month ago they had the greatest opportunity they could ever have?(When bob was still actively fighting ascn with full force)
... because now, they have their titan.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 14:19:52
Originally by: RedClaws
why the heck would D2 decide to attack now when only 1 month ago they had the greatest opportunity they could ever have?(When bob was still actively fighting ascn with full force)
Maybe as payback for the trust fiasco? D2 never forgave ASCN for that.
The question has to be where would ex-ASCN corps that took up BoB's tenancy offer stand, if this came to pass. Would you continue to pay rent to BoB or would you rebel?
And no you don't have to answer that, its hypothetical.
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thoradh
AirHawk Alliance
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 14:14:41
Originally by: RedClaws
why the heck would D2 decide to attack now when only 1 month ago they had the greatest opportunity they could ever have?(When bob was still actively fighting ascn with full force)
Maybe as payback for the trust fiasco? D2 never forgave ASCN for that.
Perhaps its wise to not interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake...
As to the possibility of a massive war, that will take us right the way through 2007, well its looking more and more likely thats precisely what is going to happen, and its long overdue, as there's many a score to be settled.
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Dave Tehsulei
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dominie Dirtch
Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: DeadDuck
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are.
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
Then team up and fight bob... sheesh
If/when Bob comes up north (I cantÆ see the northerners launching an attack on bob), id be very tempted to fight on bob's side against the northern blob. I've never been a fan of BOB and have been in corps/alliances hostile to them all my eve life. However in recent times they have been a much more respectful and honourable entity to fight than the groups IÆve encountered in the north these past few months.
There are some good fighters left in the north but its a shame they have to associate with the smack talkers, loggers and other undesirables IÆve encountered here just to ensure the combined northern blob stays huge.
I hope outbreak is still in the area when the fight starts.
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar
Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:21:00 -
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Additionally, im sure Insurgency would be more than happy to fight BoB with D2 and AAA
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Myadra
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:22:00 -
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/endorses kiaeddz post
Yes, I see a universe war coming.... and have seen the future, people will refer to this as , UW I in the future ... everyone get into your bunkers and hide !!
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The Anointed
Caldari
StarBug Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:23:00 -
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The optimist in me would love to see that fight, but the pessimist in me thinks that if d2 were napping up the north, then it would be more likely because they are expecting bob to come pay them a visit and not the other way around.
I guess the biggest decider on whether or not an invasion would/could happen would be just how many areas of bob space D2+ allies think they can hit at the same time without spreading too thinly.
As far as sides, I honestly have no idea who would side with D2, although I would suggest that there would be a lot of people willing to grin a bare it in order to defeat BoB. How successful and reliable an alliance built on that would be though, is another discussion in itself.
As far as BoB allies goes, that is where the really interesting part is. For a start, if for instance D2+ are not firmly invested in a do or die war against bob, how long would they last in an invasion? Would BoB even need allies to hold out for that long? For a more interesting arguments sake, say that D2+ were tied by strong bonds and in it for the win. Other than the Fixians, 'allies' as far as I can see it is applied to anyone that is renting space from BoB.
So what 'allies' would be willing to fight it out if they thought that BoB would loose? MC stated their cost to fight BoB, when the ascn thing kicked off would be that of 4 stations with Pos's and the opportunity costs of loosing their 0.0 space. So then, if MC were to be convinced that BoB would not survive the invasion, how much do you think it would cost to buy their neutrality? Surely BoB would be happy with that as well, because adding MC to their list of enemies in an invasion would not appear to be a good idea. It could be argued that this offer could be applied to anyone renting space from BoB. (This is in no way implying that those alliances are thickle, but merely if it is simply a business deal they have, that it would be bad business to fight a fight you do not think you will win, especially seeing as if you loose, you will loose everything)
ISS, well, their involvement would mean a vote, which I would vote against. Not the best of moves to get involved in a conflict that they have the opportunity to avoid. Nothing more to be said really. Unless BoB members were to have an incredibly large share in ISS, which could swing a vote?
Other than that, you may see 'tactical voting'. For Instance, would LV, V et al. get involved to keep arguably the biggest pvp force in game? I would find that difficult to understand, especially with the fact that I have seen a lot of 'Standings reset to 0' posts from BoB over the years. What would they gain from the fight? If they stayed out of it, they would most likely gain several months of carebear time with the opportunity to gain a foothold on their space, whilst also watching other major entities loose their space and weaken their fighting power.
If it was to happen the decider would be how long D2+ could keep it together, if they do not plan for a long haul, a really long haul, then BoB would most likely not need allies to survive before the D2+ alliance falls apart and people start leaving. On the other hand, if D2+ could hold together, they could carve a nice little chunk of the galaxy up for themselves.
Worst case scenario, as I am sure others would agree, would be D2+ narrowly win, then BoB has no home, nothing to loose and is now full of some rather ****ed off people. If D2+ vs. BoB was going to happen, they best make sure that the management of BoB loose interest in the game, cause if the driving force that has been there for so many years is still there at the end, then you may as well not have bothered in the first place.
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar
Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dave Tehsulei
Originally by: Dominie Dirtch
Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: DeadDuck
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are.
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
Then team up and fight bob... sheesh
If/when Bob comes up north (I cantÆ see the northerners launching an attack on bob), id be very tempted to fight on bob's side against the northern blob. I've never been a fan of BOB and have been in corps/alliances hostile to them all my eve life. However in recent times they have been a much more respectful and honourable entity to fight than the groups IÆve encountered in the north these past few months.
There are some good fighters left in the north but its a shame they have to associate with the smack talkers, loggers and other undesirables IÆve encountered here just to ensure the combined northern blob stays huge.
I hope outbreak is still in the area when the fight starts.
Im sure xirt wouldnt be happy about you saying that :)
Additionally, BoB smack talk and flame and a plethora of other undesirable things to their enemies, infiltrate their forums, post blogs etc...
BoB are not honorable, they dont know the meaning of it...
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Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Adam C on 03/01/2007 14:36:56
Adam C try to take a deeper look
i admit my comments were narrow-minded to within a degree.
i am not going to give this alot of thought because quite franky the north is entertainment.
and that there is the difference
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thoradh
AirHawk Alliance
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: The Anointed
Interesting points...
For the coming war to have a 'real' conclusion it would mean the complete destruction of one side or the other. By that I mean all their identifiable 0.0 infrastructure, soverign space, empire based industrial infrastructure, and intra-alliance power blocs.
In the case of BoB that means the complete destruction of BoB, MC, LV, Fix and all their 0.0 'tenants'. Nothing less. There will be no 'deal' done with MC as we all know full well there is no difference of opinion between the two, and they are regarded as one and the same entity.
Would this be a year long undertaking? Doubtless.
Is the outcome certain? Far from it.
Will the galaxy be a very different place by the end of 2007? Most certainly.
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tikki
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: tikki on 03/01/2007 14:39:03
As an ex D2 member my heart says D2 would put up a fight, my head says a) they don't have the courage to attack BoB, b) Unless they have shaped up in the last couple of months they wouldn't stand a chance.
I'm not D2 bashing, they have some excellent corps and some excellent pilots. In the event of a Universe War I'd love to be flying with them, however my experience of the XZH war with Goonies and the TCF debacle in the north highlighted some real deficiencies in D2s ability to coordinate large fleet combat and POS wars. Hopefully they have learnt from the recent experieces and could really give BoB a run for their money.
When the fighting commences sign me up
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HatePeace LoveWar
Amarr
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: HatePeace LoveWar on 03/01/2007 14:51:30
Originally by: Dominie Dirtch
Originally by: chromer one
Edited by: chromer one on 03/01/2007 13:48:07
lol.. as to that LV is only concerned own matters/space... lol
All alliance ops where i've bein are bein other's systems and for others matters..
Once operations started vs BoB im sure any militarial leader would hit an LV home system with some large battle-pos's to take away sov just to keep you occupied.
Well, thats what i would do.
Er... gl out POS spamming enslaver. 
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Sgt Jinxed
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
BoB + Allies...
For Sure: Xelas
Potential: LV, V
D2 + Allies
Potential: RedSwarm, ASCN, POS
In my opinion.
On the bob side:
Xelas: I doubt they'll participate. Reasons: 1st: Not remotely good enough to do anything to D2, and 2nd: Celes/Horde should be keeping them plenty busy I would think. I doubt BoB would want to involve them in any event.
LV, V: I'd think they're busy enough trying to stop ragoon? Maybe I've missed something as I've been away a few days, but I don't think RA is done with them.
On the d2 side:
Redswarm: They're plenty busy with lv, v, and it's way too far away for them to have an interest I reckon. Look at what happened in the ascn war. People just didn't bother helping for various reasons. Apathy was one of them.
Ascn: While 1-2 corps in there might decide to go to delve/fountain for the duration of the war, I highly doubt they'll want to involve themselves in d2 space. Reasons: Nobody there really wants to go through the same thing again I would think, and d2 had their chance to do something to bob but laughed at ascn and so I think they'll return the favor. In either event, ASCN is not really a big entity anymore.
POS: Are you serious? You're kidding, right?
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
In my opinion.
On the bob side:
Xelas: I doubt they'll participate. Reasons: 1st: Not remotely good enough to do anything to D2, and 2nd: Celes/Horde should be keeping them plenty busy I would think. I doubt BoB would want to involve them in any event.
Xelas owe BoB, in the event that BoB are under pressure from the combined forces they face, they may well call in Xelas. YOU may seem them as incompetent, BoB will see them as numbers.
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
LV, V: I'd think they're busy enough trying to stop ragoon? Maybe I've missed something as I've been away a few days, but I don't think RA is done with them.
I'm gonna my reasons for RA and Goons joining D2s fight below are accepted, in which case LV/V will be less busy, and could well be doing with making an ally of note....
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
On the d2 side:
Redswarm: They're plenty busy with lv, v, and it's way too far away for them to have an interest I reckon. Look at what happened in the ascn war. People just didn't bother helping for various reasons. Apathy was one of them.
Redswarm KNOW that they ar eon BoBs list. They can sit back and watch D2 maybe fail, or they can go help and attempt to ensure D2 succeed.... its a no brainer really.
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
Ascn: While 1-2 corps in there might decide to go to delve/fountain for the duration of the war, I highly doubt they'll want to involve themselves in d2 space. Reasons: Nobody there really wants to go through the same thing again I would think, and d2 had their chance to do something to bob but laughed at ascn and so I think they'll return the favor. In either event, ASCN is not really a big entity anymore.
ASCN's member corps have a lot of bitter feelings towards BoB... my inclusion of them is simply revenge and anger are one of the strongest emotions known to man...
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
POS: Are you serious? You're kidding, right?
I dont kid, its not in my nature. My corp title isn't "Adolf" for nothing.
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:09:00 -
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You guys are being too narrow with the ASCN / North thing.
U have to now consider the ascn corps on thier own, and not all of them are hated by or hate the north.
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA]
It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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Cyleth
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
ASCN's member corps have a lot of bitter feelings towards BoB... my inclusion of them is simply revenge and anger are one of the strongest emotions known to man...
Acting under influence of anger makes human a most stupid thing on earth.
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Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:28:00 -
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i'm happy to sell guns and ships to both sides. I'll give bulk discounts 
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:41:00 -
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Wont happen. BoB only fight wars they are 100% sure of winning with minimal losses and D2 allies starting with RZR and going east is busy with us and cant help D2.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cyleth
Acting under influence of anger makes human a most stupid thing on earth.
Of course, every knows that, but still its human nature that we do.
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SARPIDON
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: SARPIDON on 03/01/2007 15:48:37
I think the nature/scale of any potential conflict will be defined by the goals of each side.
There's no point going against BoB unless you set out to destroy them. at every level. A very hard thing to do, as the defination of BoB space is very flexable ( see above post) and really unless you cut out their T2 ship production and supply (good luck) you will have a job pinning them down in one place. Their morale and attitude is on a different level. Good luck breaking that and the leadership seems very strong. (No I dont want to join BoB- They would nt have me :P)
Nez's point of EX ASCN space and EX AXE space needing to be micro-managed before conflict arises is a good and vaild point. Whilst I'm unsure how BoB will sort this in the sort term (old residents who like home to much to leave no matter at what cost?)- they need to quickly.They need that meat shield up and running. I think the AAA issue with their new space could be solved by offering it as a staging ground for D2 et al who might want to come at BoB from an other direction. A short term solution which ticks alot of the boxes.
The only thing that is clear is that, If anyone has any intention of taking on BoB, the longer they leave them to dig in in Ex-ASCN space the harder the job will be. The more space they have to play the more the attacker will pay. Having recently been subject to BoB fleet movement good luck to any who try.
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katz3
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Quarantine
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
lol, wtf are you talking about ?
you wont even fight vs 20 BS...why should we bring 100 ?
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Cheng Kung
Amarr
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:51:00 -
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I was just wondering, why would LV help BOB?
If they join BOB against D2 + friends and BOB somehow wins they might end up getting the same treatment as ASCN did after the G/iron invasion.
BOB made it clear on several occasions that they want to dominate the entire EVE galaxy. And they are always looking for a challenge. With D2 and perhaps RAGOON out of the way, at some point in the future LV might become the next "challenge"
Perhaps the best thing for LV to do is help D2 to destroy the most dangerous pvp alliance in EVE. This to avoid eventually ending up getting destroyed or ending up as a BOB pet alliance.
Anyway, interesting dicussion.
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Heptameron
Gallente
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:56:00 -
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its kinda funny to see how some peeps see the D7/TCF thing was a debacle. It was actually, but for CCP... node crashes prolonged that war by several weeks at least for BOTH sides. TCF were out to test themselves and they fared very well, pity the hardware didn't
As for the possibility of a fight, it will very likely happen at some point. Comparing it to ASCN has no merit, we WILL fight harder have no doubt about that. We are a large number of smaller alliances with a proven track record responding in force to help each other out. Call it an informal alliance of alliances if you will.
When and where will is the big question.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Sounds to me like you want BoB to invade D2 space so your corporation can rent Venal.
I'm sick tired of venal, you won't see me paying 1isk to live there
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Cyleth
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera
BoB only fight wars they are 100% sure of winning with minimal losses.
I see.. Is that the reason you stayed docked in Stain?
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Phrixus Zephyr
Yesodic Nomads Corp
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 03/01/2007 16:01:41
Add FLA and Oxide to the D2 side.
Edit: BTW, does anyone know why D2 were moving 9 Obelisks through pureblind last night?
Originally by: Victor Ramirez
using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera
Wont happen. BoB only fight wars they are 100% sure of winning with minimal losses and D2 allies starting with RZR and going east is busy with us and cant help D2.
OMG dont believe ur own hype mate.
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA]
It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Edit: BTW, does anyone know why D2 were moving 9 Obelisks through pureblind last night?
I know it, and maybe you will know it too, soonÖ
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Ellohem
Fountain Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ellohem on 03/01/2007 16:12:07
if D2 have a good enough stockpile of mins, ships, t2, and more importantly PEOPLE staged close to BOB space, then they are in with a very good chance of doing a vast amount of damage to the Corps that reside in BOB space,
But i dont think they have a chance of totaly whiping BOB out, because lets face it, where do you start... Delve Querious, Fountain, Period basis, Paragon soul, Esoteria, Feythabolis...
To Completely destroy BOB, they would need to completly destroy their industrial might first, then start on BOB itself, but with the amount of space they hold i fear it may be out of anyones reach ATM.
Although, something will happen sooner or later, as BOB wish to destroy the Erebus.
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Galavet
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Edit: BTW, does anyone know why D2 were moving 9 Obelisks through pureblind last night?
Because its easier than moving 684 Itty Mk V's?
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dailyhazard
Caldari
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ellohem
if D2 have a good enough stockpile of mins, ships, t2, and more importantly PEOPLE staged close to BOB space, then they are in with a very good chance of doing a vast amount of damage to the Corps that reside in BOB space,
But i dont think they have a chance of totaly whiping BOB out, because lets face it, where do you start... Delve Querious, Fountain, Period basis, Paragon soul, Esoteria, Feythabolis...
To Completely destroy BOB, they would need to completly destroy their industrial might first, then start on BOB itself, but with the amount of space they hold i fear it may be out of anyones reach ATM.
As long as they destroy there ego/e-peen im sure everyone will be pleased.
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Ellohem
Fountain Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: dailyhazard
As long as they destroy there ego/e-peen im sure everyone will be pleased.
kin'a
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:15:00 -
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Just because i love you eddie.
WTS IMPASS!
convo Seleene please.
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:24:00 -
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that funny i haven't heard anything like that.. it seems everyone but bob and D2 know what is happening in our alliance because we can't have fun and just pvp. we have to OMG WE ARE AFTER YOU. i would laugh my ass off if BOB and D2 HC both posted a thread saying they were resetting standings and just napping eachother.
than the eve-o forums would light up.
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Lea Redux
Gallente
moon7empler
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Galavet
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Edit: BTW, does anyone know why D2 were moving 9 Obelisks through pureblind last night?
Because its easier than moving 684 Itty Mk V's?
^^i like that one.
On the topic of bla vs. blub:
People talk about this as if the "war to end all wars" would be coming  .
Lets look at the facts though... whenever someone from BOB talks about "bringing it" they want them to bring "it" to Delve. Which is on the other side of the moon as far as im concerned, a place id like to visit someday and have some pewpew, but BOB cannot be destroyed like ASCN (or at least they make it seem so), i.e. collapsing under pressure from outside + within.
So even if by some turn of events someone managed to take out their home base (and he'd have to secure it afterwards, no idea how except moving there permanently) BOBs fighting force could move anywhere in the huge EVE universe and go on pwning.
Or to put it more graphically: imagine D2 in Delve and BOB in Branch with full fleets + titans, both shouting "bring it, im pwning yon minions".
Anyways that wasnt my point, my point is: WAR WILL NEVER END, no matter the amount of pilots/allys one or the other side might field at some point. Dont fool yourself, there will be explosions, cries of haxorz, fun to be had. However one of the (more than two i might add) sides screaming "banzaii, all or nothing!" will soon discover that all is unobtainable, and nothing waits just around the corner.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 03/01/2007 16:52:19
Originally by: katz3
Originally by: Quarantine
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
lol, wtf are you talking about ?
you wont even fight vs 20 BS...why should we bring 100 ?
as u have, what has been profen before, no clue about anyhting step away from the keyboard and stop making ur alliance look stupid.
About the topic, its not d2 is all about bob, and id guess bob is not all about d2
Quarantine, we can probally bring more then u think but its not like tons of ppl are willing to watch force field or camp a gate for hours to get a fight lasting 10 seconds
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: DeadDuck
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are.
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
i remember that a few weeks ago. i even took my miner char out there with my geddon.
i find it funny that my mining char uses t2 tachy's and exhumer lvl5
but i perfer this alt for pvp. 
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Quarantine
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Quarantine, we can probally bring more then u think but its not like tons of ppl are willing to watch force field or camp a gate for hours to get a fight lasting 10 seconds
I'm very certain you can field a very big fleet if you want, but Branch is the kind of region that breeds 50% raven blobs that don't bother moving further south than maybe ec-p8r . I just don't see the D2 blob being better than the BoB blob, that is all. I think that neither of you two has any realistic chances of conquering each other's space, we've had this north vs. south scenarios often enough.
On the matter of engaging, since I lost 2 Tempests already in 6NJ I daresay we did have some fights there before the holidays :).
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Quarantine, we can probally bring more then u think but its not like tons of ppl are willing to watch force field or camp a gate for hours to get a fight lasting 10 seconds
I'm very certain you can field a very big fleet if you want, but Branch is the kind of region that breeds 50% raven blobs that don't bother moving further south than maybe ec-p8r . I just don't see the D2 blob being better than the BoB blob, that is all. I think that neither of you two has any realistic chances of conquering each other's space, we've had this north vs. south scenarios often enough.
On the matter of engaging, since I lost 2 Tempests already in 6NJ I daresay we did have some fights there before the holidays :).
having fights always attracts the less talented, ah maybe we'll have notrh vs south happen - or not
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XoPhyte
Vanguard Frontiers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: XoPhyte on 03/01/2007 17:45:08
I think AAA is the lynchpin in this discussion. If you get AAA involved attacking Delve etc, while D2 is either invading fountain, or defending their own space, then things could get tough for Bob. AAA has proven themselves to be a very capable PVP alliance. Of course I would imagine that it would come down to Bob fighting D2 and allies by themselves (which I think they are capable of doing), and if AAA does get involved, then AAA fighting MC + Fix.
RA/Goons are to busy fighting LV to contribute much to this war I believe. I think it would come down to the fortitude of Bob pilots tbh. They have been fighting us for several months, we (ASCN) have seen a reduction in the types of ships they were fielding near the end (t1 rather then t2, a fact I am sure Bob will try to side step or spin in some way). The fact is POS busting and sitting in POS's can be very boring, and they have been doing it for months already. Can they continue without any internal strife? They said they were prepared for a 6 month war with ASCN alone, so perhaps. Only time will tell I suppose. And Bob is very good at what they do (and their dreads are damn near invincible!).
Without AAA getting involved then I would fear things would not go well for D2 and friends (I have no knowledge of the Norths combat abilities though tbh). Whatever occurs it will be interesting if this truly happens!
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
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Esaam DeVries
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
BTW, does anyone know why D2 were moving 9 Obelisks through pureblind last night?
Hey ! What happens in Pure Blind, stays in Pure Blind. And for your information, that's our monthly stock of Holoreels ****.
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Lag Fest
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:04:00 -
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isn't pretty much entire north already all napped up with eachother? When you say north i think of carebear PvPer wannabes napping eachother all say long.
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:11:00 -
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i'd rather be in a mining barge than put stabs on my ships like a couple of &&& did a couple days ago
For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:14:00 -
[90]
Edited by: DeadDuck on 03/01/2007 18:14:58
Originally by: Lag Fest
When you say north i think of carebear PvPer wannabes napping eachother all say long.
Well when I think about South I think about sunny beaches with warm waters... each one of us "paints" a image on our minds thats suits us better
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Lag Fest
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:17:00 -
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lol love the signature. when u say south i think of big breasted ladies on a sunny beack in nothin but string bikini...
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:29:00 -
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Please, please, come take BoB space, so that I donÆt have to deal with these stupid POSes and stations anymore and can go kill you folks 23/7 in your own space. If people think that BoB without space will disband, you got another thing coming.
I guess people forget really fast what happened last time a PVP alliance gave up itÆs space and went afer the alliances that thought it would be easy to finish them off because they had no space. Remember what happened to those alliances? EVE history FTW.
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
The truth will set you free
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Sgt Jinxed
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sgt Jinxed on 03/01/2007 18:52:25
Edited by: Sgt Jinxed on 03/01/2007 18:51:43
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
In my opinion.
On the bob side:
Xelas: I doubt they'll participate. Reasons: 1st: Not remotely good enough to do anything to D2, and 2nd: Celes/Horde should be keeping them plenty busy I would think. I doubt BoB would want to involve them in any event.
Xelas owe BoB, in the event that BoB are under pressure from the combined forces they face, they may well call in Xelas. YOU may seem them as incompetent, BoB will see them as numbers.
It's not that they're incompetent. It's just that they aren't really up to the same skill level as d2 IMO. Nothing wrong with that what so ever though.
However, BoB seem to have that 'we want to do this alone' thing going for them, so unless things go wrong, I doubt xelas will join in. They do need to keep fountain 'occupied'.
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
On the d2 side:
Redswarm: They're plenty busy with lv, v, and it's way too far away for them to have an interest I reckon. Look at what happened in the ascn war. People just didn't bother helping for various reasons. Apathy was one of them.
Redswarm KNOW that they ar eon BoBs list. They can sit back and watch D2 maybe fail, or they can go help and attempt to ensure D2 succeed.... its a no brainer really.
D2 KNEW they were on bob's list during the ascn/bob war. I'm sure you're seeing where I'm going with that.
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
Ascn: While 1-2 corps in there might decide to go to delve/fountain for the duration of the war, I highly doubt they'll want to involve themselves in d2 space. Reasons: Nobody there really wants to go through the same thing again I would think, and d2 had their chance to do something to bob but laughed at ascn and so I think they'll return the favor. In either event, ASCN is not really a big entity anymore.
ASCN's member corps have a lot of bitter feelings towards BoB... my inclusion of them is simply revenge and anger are one of the strongest emotions known to man...
Still don't think they'll participate enough to make a difference. But I could be wrong obviously.
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
POS: Are you serious? You're kidding, right?
I dont kid, its not in my nature. My corp title isn't "Adolf" for nothing.
heh =)
I highly doubt POS will join in. Seriously now, I know you weren't involved in the ascn/bob war, but you should be able to do the math on how much (or little) they participated in the ascn war. Also, bob has left them alone for now, so I highly doubt they'll get motivated to join in, as they prolly don't want BoB and their pet alliance in Paragon Soul would evict them faster than they could say "maybe we made a mistake".
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Witch Doctor
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Witch Doctor on 03/01/2007 18:49:03
The one thing that pops into my mind about this hypothetical war is that whoever is the aggressor is leaving open a vast, pristine sea of carebears and belts in their home territory that would be aching to be farmed by the less scrupulous gankers out there. While the attackers are on the other side of the galaxy, it would be high comedy to see all sorts of pirates, small-time PVPers, gankers, ruffians, scallywags, and mercenaries  falling over each other to get into the space and farm some carebears left behind.
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Neurosis
Minmatar
RillaCorp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Neurosis on 03/01/2007 18:54:48
In this world of extreme hypothetical situations let me ask the following question with this assumption
So you're D2, AAA, Razor...whoever and you've successfully taken bob's conquerable stations. BoB lives in Delve mostly NPC stations meaning they lose minimal amounts of thier ability to bring it.
When they have nothing else to lose and their assets are safely tucked away in empire or NPC stations which one of you falls first when they go on the offensive and how long will the others come sit in your space and protect you?
I remember a story of a corp called ATUK, who lived in curse....after getting attacked by everyone and their monkeys uncle cut thier losses in their own space paid a visit to the northern systems steam rolling whatever lay in their path.
if this were to go down i feel that tingling feeling comming on that usually precedes a severe case of deja vu
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Haros
Redemption Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Haros on 03/01/2007 19:33:43
Edited by: Haros on 03/01/2007 19:31:30
Edited by: Haros on 03/01/2007 19:29:08
They may not be my favorite alliance or ppl in eve, but my money is on BoB.
If D2 is weaker than G (which i dont know) it might have better allies now (not just IRON). On the other hand BOB have DICE now + 2 meatshield corps to boost numbers if required.
AAA is a wild card as ppl said and so is LV i would say.
I also dont c LV benefiting if either D2 or BoB wins, so y should they be joining anyside instead of building up. U never know what deal will be cut though n they are the only non pet allies BoB will have along with MC n outbreak from what i read here.
Besides Goons n RA will be busy with LV and LV with them unless either of them makes a radical decision to give up their space.
Originally by: Neurosis
Edited by: Neurosis on 03/01/2007 18:54:48
I remember a story of a corp called ATUK, who lived in curse....after getting attacked by everyone and their monkeys uncle cut thier losses in their own space paid a visit to the northern systems steam rolling whatever lay in their path.
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ATUK - DICE will now surrender cause BOB said it is bitter to hold grudges n keep fighting when u lost a battle
As to whether it will be a fun war. CCP hamsters look underfed on a saterday night with 33k ppl on. Imagine half of them beeing in 5-6 systems ppor hamsters will be exausted at best.
This war will kill a lot of hamsters if it happens ;)
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Dominie Dirtch
Minmatar
Revival.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 20:09:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Metal Dude
Please, please, come take BoB space, so that I donÆt have to deal with these stupid POSes and stations anymore and can go kill you folks 23/7 in your own space. If people think that BoB without space will disband, you got another thing coming.
I guess people forget really fast what happened last time a PVP alliance gave up itÆs space and went afer the alliances that thought it would be easy to finish them off because they had no space. Remember what happened to those alliances? EVE history FTW.
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
BoB would loose a whole lot of band wagoners who are just along for the ego ride. Every alliance has them and that includes BoB.
All that would be left within BoB if your stations were taken are the ones devout to its cause, im sure some directors would also leave due to the fact that what they have built had been ripped apart...
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MironCosszma
ECP Rogues
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 20:14:00 -
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if its true and if this gonna happen will be the beggining of the North vs South war promised long time ago
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xbreaka
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.01.03 20:24:00 -
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From a sheer numbers standpoint, the north seems to have the advantage here,
D2,IRON,RAZOR,Oxide,FLA,Chorus,Pentagram,FoF,Eve animal control(lol) plus a couple other various smaller 400 man ish alliances doing their thing in the north, and as a razor dude said earlier, we are all sort of in a alliance of alliances persay, while bob have been attacking acsn space, we have been cooking pancakes and working together to keep the north *somewhat safe* For this reason I believe the north could very well make a very good stand in the north if bob were to attack, however most of the alliances on that list are not offensive powerhouses, so logistically I am not totally sure we could mount a serious offensive into BoB space.
On the other hand, if one of the other larger more offensive alliances in the game were to join forces with d2+friends(such as RAGOON,or AAA) I see the north possibly doing very well in a offensive campaign.
However as pointed out before, invading bob space isnt exactly the greatest idea as it is so vast, most of the stations are non-conquerable npc stations, and I have no doubt in my mind that BoB could simply evaporate into empire space, only to reappear in another region on the map. Not to mention pos wars are ***, so i think the best fights for the north would be defending a invading bob, not the otherway around.
My opinions are mine alone, and do not respresent the views of my corporation, alliance or homies
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KIAHicks
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 20:43:00 -
[100]
I'm way out of date on the political landscape of eve so won't speculate on who will side with who if anything should occur. What I will say, is that if it did, it may well shape up to be a great war
Interesting thread though
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 20:50:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Lag Fest
isn't pretty much entire north already all napped up with eachother? When you say north i think of carebear PvPer wannabes napping eachother all say long.
Stop crying. Your alliance was much worse in the past regarding naps.
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k1Lz
Delta team
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.03 21:15:00 -
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D2 vs BOB, North vs South the same old song, the same forum bull**** still I donÆt understand what eddz have to gain from all this? DonÆt tell me u just start this thread to gain publicity and attention?
all this make me remember the forum before G vs ASCN, G barking at BOB and attacking ASCN hmm who will be the victim this time :)
DELTA is recruiting
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 21:26:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Lag Fest
isn't pretty much entire north already all napped up with eachother? When you say north i think of carebear PvPer wannabes napping eachother all say long.
Stop crying. Your alliance was much worse in the past regarding naps.
Incorrect, Woody, whilst we had our fair share we made sure to stop the rot before it got too much.
Will you do the same?
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Barty McFly
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 21:26:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Dominie Dirtch
Originally by: Metal Dude
Please, please, come take BoB space, so that I donÆt have to deal with these stupid POSes and stations anymore and can go kill you folks 23/7 in your own space. If people think that BoB without space will disband, you got another thing coming.
I guess people forget really fast what happened last time a PVP alliance gave up itÆs space and went afer the alliances that thought it would be easy to finish them off because they had no space. Remember what happened to those alliances? EVE history FTW.
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
BoB would loose a whole lot of band wagoners who are just along for the ego ride. Every alliance has them and that includes BoB.
All that would be left within BoB if your stations were taken are the ones devout to its cause, im sure some directors would also leave due to the fact that what they have built had been ripped apart...
i could listen to you spout on all this stuff all night :D please continue, what an intresting thread :D
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 21:28:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 03/01/2007 21:29:06
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Lag Fest
isn't pretty much entire north already all napped up with eachother? When you say north i think of carebear PvPer wannabes napping eachother all say long.
Stop crying. Your alliance was much worse in the past regarding naps.
Incorrect, Woody, whilst we had our fair share we made sure to stop the rot before it got too much.
Will you do the same?
We still have plenty of time left and at least 5 naps more until it gets to the same level that bob had regarding alliancemember numbers, not count of alliances
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 21:31:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 03/01/2007 21:29:06
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Lag Fest
isn't pretty much entire north already all napped up with eachother? When you say north i think of carebear PvPer wannabes napping eachother all say long.
Stop crying. Your alliance was much worse in the past regarding naps.
Incorrect, Woody, whilst we had our fair share we made sure to stop the rot before it got too much.
Will you do the same?
We still have plenty of time left and at least 5 naps more until it gets to the same level that bob had regarding alliancemember numbers, not count of alliances
Details ;)
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 21:36:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 03/01/2007 21:36:28
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 03/01/2007 21:29:06
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Lag Fest
isn't pretty much entire north already all napped up with eachother? When you say north i think of carebear PvPer wannabes napping eachother all say long.
Stop crying. Your alliance was much worse in the past regarding naps.
Incorrect, Woody, whilst we had our fair share we made sure to stop the rot before it got too much.
Will you do the same?
We still have plenty of time left and at least 5 naps more until it gets to the same level that bob had regarding alliancemember numbers, not count of alliances
Details ;)
FIX, Xelas, 5, LV, V, ASCN and SA (until a certain point)
Only to name the biggest alliances.
I t was the whole south and i dont need to say what that means in numbers in comparison to everything else in the smaller and usually less populated north
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Attak
Trioptimum
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 21:58:00 -
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Political speculation! I love it!
Looking at the allies, we have: D2/RZR/IRON/MM, and to a lesser extent YW/CDC/FLA/new region alliances.
Then there's BoB/Xelas/FIX/MC
The wildcards would be AAA, CELES/HORDE and LV/RedSwarm
All in all, AAA could cancel out FIX involvement, and probably push querious if D2 went on the offensive. RedSwarm and LV doubtfully would get heavily involved, since they would leave territory exposed to each other. CELES/HORDE would neutralize Xelas, leaving BoB to fend for itself during a longer campaign. Which it is more than capable of doing.
After that, though, it's all up in the air. D2+allies could bring a good fight to a solo BoB, however since they seem to be so defensive BoB may well have to start knocking them around up north first. I think the primary strategy would be breaking the smaller alliances first, but with a little coordination and strategy I think the north could turn any offensive by BoB into a stalemate.
Of course, that would be boring. Several things are bound to happen besides. What if AAA and RedSwarm took the former ASCN space? Or BoB allies with RK/SMASH and starts hounding D2 from a different angle? RISE could certainly be a factor, or at least their stations would be, and CELES/HORDE may well take fountain with fleet support from the north. There's so many variables, a war could go either direction. In the end though, I don't think BoB could hold the north even if they win, and I doubt D2 could kick them out of the NPC stations in Delve if it came to that.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:00:00 -
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So Eddz, nice to see you o/
Look, this is what will happen: D2+ invades bob, Shiva (as part of MM) will help, but not go full out. The fight goes into a stalemate. Shiva comes in to full play once we finish our collection of all t2 bpos and wins. Oh, dont forget, we steal the char Molle for our own.
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prathe
Minmatar
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:06:00 -
[110]
i just think it would be great fun , blah blah aside .
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Pehova Mindtriq
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:30:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Attak
Political speculation! I love it!
Looking at the allies, we have: D2/RZR/IRON/MM, and to a lesser extent YW/CDC/FLA/new region alliances.
Then there's BoB/Xelas/FIX/MC
The wildcards would be AAA, CELES/HORDE and LV/RedSwarm
All in all, AAA could cancel out FIX involvement, and probably push querious if D2 went on the offensive. RedSwarm and LV doubtfully would get heavily involved, since they would leave territory exposed to each other. CELES/HORDE would neutralize Xelas, leaving BoB to fend for itself during a longer campaign. Which it is more than capable of doing.
After that, though, it's all up in the air. D2+allies could bring a good fight to a solo BoB, however since they seem to be so defensive BoB may well have to start knocking them around up north first. I think the primary strategy would be breaking the smaller alliances first, but with a little coordination and strategy I think the north could turn any offensive by BoB into a stalemate.
Of course, that would be boring. Several things are bound to happen besides. What if AAA and RedSwarm took the former ASCN space? Or BoB allies with RK/SMASH and starts hounding D2 from a different angle? RISE could certainly be a factor, or at least their stations would be, and CELES/HORDE may well take fountain with fleet support from the north. There's so many variables, a war could go either direction. In the end though, I don't think BoB could hold the north even if they win, and I doubt D2 could kick them out of the NPC stations in Delve if it came to that.
I think MC would pick a target friendly to bob just to prove that they aren't in BOB's pocket. No I changed my mind they would pick a target not really involved in the conflict to show that they are neutral.
AAA love to fight so much that I doubt they would take part in some great coaltion. More friends = less targets. They would do what they feel like as long as omeega can ebay his kids in peace. Mess with his buisness and you will die, whoever you are
I doubt RAGOON would step into this conflict just to kill bob. They got alot of space and will be busy fighting LV and V in the longest conflict yet. That would only change if bob made the first move against them and I don't think bob is interested right now in expanding their space, they prolly try reinforce current space they own. Maybe send some fleets there but not try to take their space.
As for the north I don't know. If a war starts I think it will be some backstabbing going on up there. Someone must have stolen someone elses spawn or something and roted the idea of revenge. If a war broke out I doubt they would be as unified as they are now. They would still be strong but maybe abit distracted.
Think 0utbreak would take a station in all this fighting just to show that they can
All this is just a theory, what will really happen is that with ascn gone bob can focus on fountain, not too far away from home if something big attacks them.
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Sassy Girl
Amarr
Yumpalistic Industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:54:00 -
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if the northern alliance really wants to smack down bob, they should have done it while bob were dancing with ascn, so these rumors are just rumors.
To be frank the norhern alliances i bet they must be feeling very warm and cosy... with them waving their nap nap wand around. Such plans as invasion on bob space will never happen if they had the balls they would have done it already. Unlike bob will come up north and have some fun, while the north alliances will smack them to death.
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:02:00 -
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please folks war all roudn this means that all these alliances will have peeps running thro empire as well logistics, repalcement stuff . That would be where we come in i can see war decs at 40 p week continuing and privateers would just have fun.
Dont forget if youre a bored pirate in low sec or a pirate corp contact surrupetitious as for the cost of 1 or 2 war decs a week i think ( im just a member so im nobody) but would like to see our idea grow as we are already having a lot of fun
Plus with so many wt in empire u dont need to loose sec status either or snipe gates endlessly most carebears have left low sec to return to empier so why not follow em in and shoot at em as well.
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Straith
GALAXIAN
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sassy Girl
if the northern alliance really wants to smack down bob, they should have done it while bob were dancing with ascn, so these rumors are just rumors.
To be frank the norhern alliances i bet they must be feeling very warm and cosy... with them waving their nap nap wand around. Such plans as invasion on bob space will never happen if they had the balls they would have done it already. Unlike bob will come up north and have some fun, while the north alliances will smack them to death.
Did it cross your mind that perhaps D2 don't want to attack BoB while BoB are nailing ASCN? The north wanted the fall of ASCN, there's lots of ex-Xetic up here, and there's the Trust incident. In addition, since the game all boils down to accomplishments, perhaps if D2 are going to nail BoB they'll want to do it when BoB afterwards can't say "Well we were dealing with ASCN".
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kronarty on 03/01/2007 23:29:55
Edited by: Kronarty on 03/01/2007 23:29:08
Edited by: Kronarty on 03/01/2007 23:27:04
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
POS: Are you serious? You're kidding, right?
I dont kid, its not in my nature. My corp title isn't "Adolf" for nothing.
heh =)
I highly doubt POS will join in. Seriously now, I know you weren't involved in the ascn/bob war, but you should be able to do the math on how much (or little) they participated in the ascn war. Also, bob has left them alone for now, so I highly doubt they'll get motivated to join in, as they prolly don't want BoB and their pet alliance in Paragon Soul would evict them faster than they could say "maybe we made a mistake".
Taking into account we are seen as a minor player in the alliance game and our numbers do not even come close to ASCN's or BoB's we did what we had to do within our capabilities.
As for talking without being involved, what if you take your own advice? BoB took one of our systems (BY-MSY) a few days ago, we managed to recapture it and now they have the towers in our station systems in reinforced, hell, they brought the titan and all.
Now tell me again how alone are they leaving us?
/me waves to EddZ
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ChalSto
The Galactic Empire
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:36:00 -
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Would be very interesting (spelling?).
Afer the war-dec would be official, I would drive to the next supermarket to buy beer, chips¦n popcorn in stocks and watching this epic-conflict...
I cant speak for LV, but my opinion is, if that is happen, we wount be on the side of D2 or BoB....we would war-dec them both
After 3 years in EvE, I finaly can say, that I lost more ships due to lag and bugs, than in any battle.
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Fransis Drakke
Minmatar
Manada de Lobos
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:57:00 -
[117]
BoB dont have real allies, BoB backstabs all is allies as Fountain Alliance , Stain Alliance, ASCN....
If D2 disbands.. the next will be RA or LV...
b3333p!
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Soulis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.04 00:14:00 -
[118]
Originally by: ChalSto
Would be very interesting (spelling?).
Afer the war-dec would be official, I would drive to the next supermarket to buy beer, chips¦n popcorn in stocks and watching this epic-conflict...
I cant speak for LV, but my opinion is, if that is happen, we wount be on the side of D2 or BoB....we would war-dec them both
and fight bob, d2 and ra all at the same time?
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Crucifier
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.04 00:20:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Attak
Political speculation! I love it!
Looking at the allies, we have: D2/RZR/IRON/MM, and to a lesser extent YW/CDC/FLA/new region alliances.
Then there's BoB/Xelas/FIX/MC
The wildcards would be AAA, CELES/HORDE and LV/RedSwarm
All in all, AAA could cancel out FIX involvement, and probably push querious if D2 went on the offensive. RedSwarm and LV doubtfully would get heavily involved, since they would leave territory exposed to each other. CELES/HORDE would neutralize Xelas, leaving BoB to fend for itself during a longer campaign. Which it is more than capable of doing.
After that, though, it's all up in the air. D2+allies could bring a good fight to a solo BoB, however since they seem to be so defensive BoB may well have to start knocking them around up north first. I think the primary strategy would be breaking the smaller alliances first, but with a little coordination and strategy I think the north could turn any offensive by BoB into a stalemate.
Of course, that would be boring. Several things are bound to happen besides. What if AAA and RedSwarm took the former ASCN space? Or BoB allies with RK/SMASH and starts hounding D2 from a different angle? RISE could certainly be a factor, or at least their stations would be, and CELES/HORDE may well take fountain with fleet support from the north. There's so many variables, a war could go either direction. In the end though, I don't think BoB could hold the north even if they win, and I doubt D2 could kick them out of the NPC stations in Delve if it came to that.
You seriusly think fix is on the same level as aaa ?
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0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.04 00:46:00 -
[120]
If BoB get bopped on the nose early they'll regroup and come back, more determined, after they've had time to refit their pilots. If D2 and its chimpanzee buddies start losing then things get interesting. Backs to the wall, carebears crying, the military tradition of G might emerge like the ghost of christmas past, but angrier. BoB wouldn't be content to hold space. If it has momentum it will push until nothing pushes back. D2 has a large industry backbone, but would it do the things it needs to win? Would it produce tier 2 guns at cost for the alliance? Would it purchase snake sets for its interdictor pilots? Those two things right there would make a difference in winning fleet fights and building up momentum. Its up to D2 to not die quickly. If it managed to prolong the fight long enough to train its pilots then it begins to be a denser, less spongy target. Once the carebears read how to fit their fleet ship and buys affordable top notch guns, a few start emerging who can click on the primary, align their ship to warp out, and do all the other small essential things you need to be a valued soldier.
D2 has a stronger nucleus than ASCN. If it isn't initially overwhelmed from without and within than it could fight to a stalemate. BoB would take whichever single region it aimed at, but unseating D2 from the whole North simply wouldn't happen if D2 could weather the first 8 weeks. Time is on D2's side.
Yea, I got basically nothing done at work today.
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Imode
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:00:00 -
[121]
Nice post Marko.
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Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:05:00 -
[122]
You have pretty eyes Marko.
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Peoke
Caldari
Rome
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:07:00 -
[123]
well all i know is u have smash who fought bob since they chose tpar as thier new home and rk who is ex stain. why on earth would we side with bob. weve fought twice vs the north and in the end were here with our stations if bob started a war wouldnt u think all these groups like us and roadkill would go have fun a little more
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Lorth
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:23:00 -
[124]
Marko said it very well.
A fight like this is either a drag-em out slug fest, or squid bashing. I don't know enough about the present day D2, but I know what I'de like to see, and I know it has potential.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:26:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Crucifier
Originally by: Attak
Political speculation! I love it!
Looking at the allies, we have: D2/RZR/IRON/MM, and to a lesser extent YW/CDC/FLA/new region alliances.
Then there's BoB/Xelas/FIX/MC
The wildcards would be AAA, CELES/HORDE and LV/RedSwarm
All in all, AAA could cancel out FIX involvement, and probably push querious if D2 went on the offensive. RedSwarm and LV doubtfully would get heavily involved, since they would leave territory exposed to each other. CELES/HORDE would neutralize Xelas, leaving BoB to fend for itself during a longer campaign. Which it is more than capable of doing.
After that, though, it's all up in the air. D2+allies could bring a good fight to a solo BoB, however since they seem to be so defensive BoB may well have to start knocking them around up north first. I think the primary strategy would be breaking the smaller alliances first, but with a little coordination and strategy I think the north could turn any offensive by BoB into a stalemate.
Of course, that would be boring. Several things are bound to happen besides. What if AAA and RedSwarm took the former ASCN space? Or BoB allies with RK/SMASH and starts hounding D2 from a different angle? RISE could certainly be a factor, or at least their stations would be, and CELES/HORDE may well take fountain with fleet support from the north. There's so many variables, a war could go either direction. In the end though, I don't think BoB could hold the north even if they win, and I doubt D2 could kick them out of the NPC stations in Delve if it came to that.
You seriusly think fix is on the same level as aaa ?
I was going to ask the same thing. It would have to be McFix to defend their space against you. I doubt they could go on the offensive against you without getting their homes taken out.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente
M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:32:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Marko Debreault
If BoB get bopped on the nose early they'll regroup and come back, more determined, after they've had time to refit their pilots. If D2 and its chimpanzee buddies start losing then things get interesting. Backs to the wall, carebears crying, the military tradition of G might emerge like the ghost of christmas past, but angrier. BoB wouldn't be content to hold space. If it has momentum it will push until nothing pushes back. D2 has a large industry backbone, but would it do the things it needs to win? Would it produce tier 2 guns at cost for the alliance? Would it purchase snake sets for its interdictor pilots? Those two things right there would make a difference in winning fleet fights and building up momentum. Its up to D2 to not die quickly. If it managed to prolong the fight long enough to train its pilots then it begins to be a denser, less spongy target. Once the carebears read how to fit their fleet ship and buys affordable top notch guns, a few start emerging who can click on the primary, align their ship to warp out, and do all the other small essential things you need to be a valued soldier.
D2 has a stronger nucleus than ASCN. If it isn't initially overwhelmed from without and within than it could fight to a stalemate. BoB would take whichever single region it aimed at, but unseating D2 from the whole North simply wouldn't happen if D2 could weather the first 8 weeks. Time is on D2's side.
Yea, I got basically nothing done at work today.
Grrr I was just typing something very very similar.
I think the ppl in D2 would have to work as a team, share their stuff, and work for free (mining trit to build a BS for that guy to your right).
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Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:32:00 -
[127]
I actually went and read the thread after reading Markos post!
How can CELES be seriously thrown in as a factor. Has no one paid attention to the last 4 months?
If CELES was ever going to matter they just had their best chance with the BoB vs ASCN war.
The outcome?
CELES lives in Fountain Core just like before, and BoB controls 3 more regions.
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Attak
Trioptimum
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:41:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Crucifier
You seriusly think fix is on the same level as aaa ?
No, but they are a good alliance. Considering they live in BoB space I think the amount of resources it would take to capture Querious would be enough to tie up AAA for the duration of a north/south war.
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Rippey
Minmatar
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.04 02:34:00 -
[129]
Imho.
The servers won't sustain a GNW part II, of which caliber this war would be.
It would be lag vs lag, and POS vs lag, and blob vs blob, and 20+ seconds activation time later, blob vs lag.
A big coalition vs coalition would theoretically be fun, but, in the current state of EVE and it's servers / client capacity, it's nothing at all to go hooray or hope for.
Imho.
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0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.04 04:09:00 -
[130]
Edited by: whisk on 04/01/2007 04:14:32
Originally by: katz3
Originally by: Quarantine
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
lol, wtf are you talking about ?
you wont even fight vs 20 BS...why should we bring 100 ?
I suggest you go look at the battle summaries on your own killboard in regards to those fights we had in 6NJ, you'll find that outbreak will fight you outnumbered.
The reason we decided not to fight you on one particular night, which i'm sure is the one you are refering to was because we scouted you're secondary blob ready to jump into system and warp in, we couldn't be bothered to fight with someone who felt they needed an even bigger blob in order to counter us.
It also seems that you were present in two of the fights that took place, so what you are talking about i really do not know.
Also do you remember what you brought to take down our small POS, do you also remember what we had and do you remember us fighting you?
In regards to this D2 vs BoB thing, less talking about it, more doing it.
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Ashis
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.04 04:51:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Laythun
You guys are being too narrow with the ASCN / North thing.
U have to now consider the ascn corps on thier own, and not all of them are hated by or hate the north.
G came down and invaded Feyth,
We went up and took out Trust.
Sheesh - the way some people talk you'd think that no other entities in EvE ever attacked each other.
I for one will be on the D2 side when the battle royale starts, whether that is officially in an "alliance," or providing them with supplies, or just flying out into Bobs supply lines to do some ganking.
Is this because I hate Bob? God know - they are good guys - but they just blew up some of my stuff so I want to return the favour.
Some people here are so melodramatic. It's a ship combat game - if we don't have a lil pew pew wtf else are we gonna do?
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XoPhyte
Vanguard Frontiers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.04 05:17:00 -
[132]
Edited by: XoPhyte on 04/01/2007 05:19:11
Originally by: Marko Debreault
Lotsa stuff
That was very well written and a very interesting read.
Originally by: Marko Debreault
Who cares about the dominix with T2 350mm rails - that guy is just watching the pretty lights anyway.
Originally by: Marko Debreault
Once hes out a few BS, he's coming back in an absolution or something. Suddenly he's a glorified frigate killer, shooting and missing the snake set interdictors who havent died in umpteen fleetfights in a row because they go 12km/s.
That made me lol!
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight
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Sgt Jinxed
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.04 07:26:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Sgt Jinxed on 04/01/2007 07:27:28
Edited by: Sgt Jinxed on 04/01/2007 07:26:40
Originally by: Kronarty
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
I highly doubt POS will join in. Seriously now, I know you weren't involved in the ascn/bob war, but you should be able to do the math on how much (or little) they participated in the ascn war. Also, bob has left them alone for now, so I highly doubt they'll get motivated to join in, as they prolly don't want BoB and their pet alliance in Paragon Soul would evict them faster than they could say "maybe we made a mistake".
As for talking without being involved, what if you take your own advice? BoB took one of our systems (BY-MSY) a few days ago, we managed to recapture it and now they have the towers in our station systems in reinforced, hell, they brought the titan and all.
Now tell me again how alone are they leaving us?
Hmm gotta love the odd mistake of putting in a 'would' instead of a 'to' I made there. Guess I should stop posting when I'm in a hurry to leave for work =)
Anyway to to the point.
I'd just like to start off by saying that I wasn't telling eddz to quiet down just because he wasn't involved. At least that wasn't my intention :)
I'm sorry that you feel like I'm stepping on your toes or whatever, and I will admit I have stopped following what goes on down there after it all went to **** with axe/ascn. I simply assumed they had left you alone since they weren't bothering you during the big war. I'll retract that part of my statement, and I apologize for any and all inconvenience I've caused you or yours (there that should settle it  ).
Grats on taking back your outpost, but I highly doubt you could do anything to stop bob if they really decided to evict you, which sadly seems like where they are going if your post is any indication of how things are going (not intended as a flame, only logic).
Anyway the point of my previous post was just to point out that you had too much to loose by joining in, and could be dealt with or at least kept occupied enough not to be a bother to BoB during a potential d2 war.
Good to see you're finally fighting though. Best of luck to all of you (yes I do mean that) :)
*edited for no apparent reason other than because I can !*
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.04 07:35:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Blacklight on 04/01/2007 07:36:10
Originally by: Sgt Jinxed
..whatever..
In short POS will be looking for a new home soon, no more speculation required.
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Sgt Jinxed
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.04 08:25:00 -
[135]
Don't you whatever me !
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Liora Vahan
Gallente
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.01.04 09:48:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Proxay
both have very capable pvp sides,
You obviously aren't referring to your own alliance there.
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Sovy Kurosei
Amarr
Therianthropic Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.04 10:08:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Sovy Kurosei on 04/01/2007 10:08:09
Was going to make a thread asking what POS is going to do with regards to their new neighbor but I guess that is it.
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TechnoMag
Minmatar
Delta team
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:07:00 -
[138]
FFS stop reading forums and move your biggest ship to south ...
Let the war begin no more nap and nap and nap (or wait let X decide) choose a side and start show some gun's..
On the other hand only the first wave will be tough ... after few doomsday's activations i will see 95% from razor/fla and other carebear pets from north back to home and never come back to the fight...
And than lets see how d2+iron (the only tru pvp'ers from north) will fight at 100jumps from home ... logistic will be a disaster...
Nevermind this month or never should the war begin... and BTW CCP must track this war and allocate resources to those clusters where fights will take place or it will be a forum war with thousands of post: im stuck im stuck
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Astarte Nosferatu
MBN Holding Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:23:00 -
[139]
Originally by: TechnoMag
And than lets see how d2+iron (the only tru pvp'ers from north) will fight at 100jumps from home ... logistic will be a disaster...
Last time GIRON didn't have that much trouble moving their whole fleet and a large part of the industry 80+ jumps south to Stain and Feyth.
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:33:00 -
[140]
Originally by: TechnoMag
FFS stop reading forums and move your biggest ship to south ...
Let the war begin no more nap and nap and nap (or wait let X decide) choose a side and start show some gun's..
On the other hand only the first wave will be tough ... after few doomsday's activations i will see 95% from razor/fla and other carebear pets from north back to home and never come back to the fight...
And than lets see how d2+iron (the only tru pvp'ers from north) will fight at 100jumps from home ... logistic will be a disaster...
Nevermind this month or never should the war begin... and BTW CCP must track this war and allocate resources to those clusters where fights will take place or it will be a forum war with thousands of post: im stuck im stuck
I can tell Iron's running out of steam already. But maybe it's just a temporary lapse... It's been about 10 days of raids and whatnot... I don't think they planned logistics for a protracted campaign. Since we declared on them, the killboard patterns changed drastically.
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marcouk2
Gallente
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.05 22:59:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
Originally by: TechnoMag
FFS stop reading forums and move your biggest ship to south ...
Let the war begin no more nap and nap and nap (or wait let X decide) choose a side and start show some gun's..
On the other hand only the first wave will be tough ... after few doomsday's activations i will see 95% from razor/fla and other carebear pets from north back to home and never come back to the fight...
And than lets see how d2+iron (the only tru pvp'ers from north) will fight at 100jumps from home ... logistic will be a disaster...
Nevermind this month or never should the war begin... and BTW CCP must track this war and allocate resources to those clusters where fights will take place or it will be a forum war with thousands of post: im stuck im stuck
I can tell Iron's running out of steam already. But maybe it's just a temporary lapse... It's been about 10 days of raids and whatnot... I don't think they planned logistics for a protracted campaign. Since we declared on them, the killboard patterns changed drastically.
Haulers full of Zyd are very hard to resist
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JA RULER
Caldari
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:22:00 -
[142]
Ok here some news or not.
AAA have already started to move freighters into delve through the a@ pipe with D2 as escorts. they did this while Iron attacked FIX at the same time in #-F with a sizable force a few days ago or so.
so while some are speculating and soem are thinking it will never come to pass. It looks as though AAA and D2 have already made started.
Now that BOB has ended its war with ASCN rather quicker than AAA, D2 and IRON would have liked things may either now be rushed through or they may hold out until ISS are removed from 0.0.
looks like 07 will be even more of a troublesome year for the south.
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Nev Clavain
Wise Guys
Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:41:00 -
[143]
Originally by: KIAEddZ
I suggest that this thread isnt for those protagonists that will be involved, but more those that would like to express an opinion in who would be victor in such a conflict.
Hmmm well to be honest the only reason I even care a tiny bit is that should such a war happen, it would doubtless provide much ad lib entertainment right here in this very forum. It is always great to see really, really dedicated 'gamers' battle it out in an epic contest of wit and intellect.
I have often considered the possibility that most of the larger alliances have some kind of mass strategy to bicker like children and fools in arguments which nearly always come down to the following formula:
A: We pwnt U, you are the worstest enemy ever.
B: You didn't pwn us, we are t3h pwnerers; teh m4sters of pwn.
A: No we did pwn you look at my killboard linky haha
B: That is becos you were not playing fair that doesnt count.
A: wow not fair tin foil hats pls kekeke
2 days later...
B: haha now we pwn you
A: those ships you destroyed dont count they err... weren't ours
B: killboard linky - they were yours hahaha
A: oh those shps, that kind of ship doesnt count
B: Doesnt count rofl lollercoptor nub they count.
A: doesnt matter you dont post your losses anyway
B: yes we do ask anyone
...ad infinitum...
In case anyone identifies with A, or B, they are both equally pathetic.
However I really shouldn't criticise, because for some dark and twisted reason I find people writing these things a most entertaining read.
I think the underlying strategy is to take over the universe while everyone is logged off for days on end reading these forum clowns hurl the ****y at one another in 100 page threads.
MY prediction as to the winner: Neither.
If a war of such scale does go down the sheer forum activity will probably put the server down for good. IN the event tranquility stays up under the inceased load, I would predict both sides go on a gargantuan 14 day gaming marathon, in which a great deal of them perish in real life because they forget to take on enough fluids. After this some small and insignificant alliance will poach all of the contested space, while the former powers that be lie catatonic at the loss of their gaming buddies to the epic struggle.
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RabbidFerret
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:58:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Zylatis
Edited by: Zylatis on 03/01/2007 13:07:57
dont forget CORE on D2 side!
We have aussies, we'll come whack you with cricket bats in suits of ned kelly armour
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RabbidFerret
HR Director
Templars of Space
C.O.R.E Alliance
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PanzerGrenadier
Caldari
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:58:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Zylatis
Edited by: Zylatis on 03/01/2007 13:07:57
dont forget CORE on D2 side!
We have aussies, we'll come whack you with cricket bats in suits of ned kelly armour
-Z
Amen!
YARRRRRR
Ned Kelly armor ftw!
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Machiavelli7
Gallente
Obsidian Asylum
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:05:00 -
[146]
All this speculation, while fun, misses one bleedin' obvious point:
SOME PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO 50+ JUMPS FOR A FIGHT!!
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:30:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 06/01/2007 02:28:15
Originally by: Machiavelli7
All this speculation, while fun, misses one bleedin' obvious point:
SOME PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO 50+ JUMPS FOR A FIGHT!!
Can't think of anything more boring myself. I remember the last time a big north v south coalition was attempted, and it fell to pieces because most entities can find someone to shoot much closer to home.
Yeah this issue has been brought up before in another time when a North vs South was engineered, perhaps too artificially. And its a valid question, why travel 50+ jumps to shoot somebody? When you can surely shoot somebody next door.
Well the answer is simple. Its done because it can be done.. because there is an entity in this game that *will* travel 100+ jumps and more to shoot somebody they deem unworthy of 0.0 existance.
The question then becomes not why travel 50+ jumps? .. but....
What happens if you don't?
If the conditions are such that in balance it is more favourable to travel the distance and get a more satisfactory outcome, why not do it? Is it not preferrable to do so than wait for somebody to travel 50+ jumps to you in what could turn out to be unfavourable circumstances? Circumstances exacerbated by the fact that you were not prepared to go the distance in the first place.
I guess it all depends on how badly you want to survive in the long run. Do you have what it takes? .. and if you don't there is no point kidding yourself or those around you that think you do, but will be sorely disappointed when the moment of truth arrives.
Sorry I'm being so longwinded, but I think you know of what I speak.. Machi.
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TasmanianX
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.06 04:09:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
Originally by: TechnoMag
FFS stop reading forums and move your biggest ship to south ...
Let the war begin no more nap and nap and nap (or wait let X decide) choose a side and start show some gun's..
On the other hand only the first wave will be tough ... after few doomsday's activations i will see 95% from razor/fla and other carebear pets from north back to home and never come back to the fight...
And than lets see how d2+iron (the only tru pvp'ers from north) will fight at 100jumps from home ... logistic will be a disaster...
Nevermind this month or never should the war begin... and BTW CCP must track this war and allocate resources to those clusters where fights will take place or it will be a forum war with thousands of post: im stuck im stuck
I can tell Iron's running out of steam already. But maybe it's just a temporary lapse... It's been about 10 days of raids and whatnot... I don't think they planned logistics for a protracted campaign. Since we declared on them, the killboard patterns changed drastically.
Lag and patches...
Hopefully you fought with us tonight in the Big fight in 3-f...
Our killboard is back to normal, as you can see !
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