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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:09:00 -
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You guys are being too narrow with the ASCN / North thing.
U have to now consider the ascn corps on thier own, and not all of them are hated by or hate the north.
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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Cyleth
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ ASCN's member corps have a lot of bitter feelings towards BoB... my inclusion of them is simply revenge and anger are one of the strongest emotions known to man...
Acting under influence of anger makes human a most stupid thing on earth. -- Listen to Club BNC on BoB Radio. Visit our website for schedules.
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:28:00 -
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i'm happy to sell guns and ships to both sides. I'll give bulk discounts ----------------------
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:41:00 -
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Wont happen. BoB only fight wars they are 100% sure of winning with minimal losses and D2 allies starting with RZR and going east is busy with us and cant help D2.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cyleth Acting under influence of anger makes human a most stupid thing on earth.
Of course, every knows that, but still its human nature that we do.
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SARPIDON
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: SARPIDON on 03/01/2007 15:48:37 I think the nature/scale of any potential conflict will be defined by the goals of each side.
There's no point going against BoB unless you set out to destroy them. at every level. A very hard thing to do, as the defination of BoB space is very flexable ( see above post) and really unless you cut out their T2 ship production and supply (good luck) you will have a job pinning them down in one place. Their morale and attitude is on a different level. Good luck breaking that and the leadership seems very strong. (No I dont want to join BoB- They would nt have me :P)
Nez's point of EX ASCN space and EX AXE space needing to be micro-managed before conflict arises is a good and vaild point. Whilst I'm unsure how BoB will sort this in the sort term (old residents who like home to much to leave no matter at what cost?)- they need to quickly.They need that meat shield up and running. I think the AAA issue with their new space could be solved by offering it as a staging ground for D2 et al who might want to come at BoB from an other direction. A short term solution which ticks alot of the boxes.
The only thing that is clear is that, If anyone has any intention of taking on BoB, the longer they leave them to dig in in Ex-ASCN space the harder the job will be. The more space they have to play the more the attacker will pay. Having recently been subject to BoB fleet movement good luck to any who try.
( sorry about bad structure, at work )
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katz3
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Quarantine
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
lol, wtf are you talking about ? you wont even fight vs 20 BS...why should we bring 100 ? ___________________
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Cheng Kung
Amarr Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:51:00 -
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I was just wondering, why would LV help BOB?
If they join BOB against D2 + friends and BOB somehow wins they might end up getting the same treatment as ASCN did after the G/iron invasion.
BOB made it clear on several occasions that they want to dominate the entire EVE galaxy. And they are always looking for a challenge. With D2 and perhaps RAGOON out of the way, at some point in the future LV might become the next "challenge"
Perhaps the best thing for LV to do is help D2 to destroy the most dangerous pvp alliance in EVE. This to avoid eventually ending up getting destroyed or ending up as a BOB pet alliance.
Anyway, interesting dicussion.
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Heptameron
Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:56:00 -
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its kinda funny to see how some peeps see the D7/TCF thing was a debacle. It was actually, but for CCP... node crashes prolonged that war by several weeks at least for BOTH sides. TCF were out to test themselves and they fared very well, pity the hardware didn't
As for the possibility of a fight, it will very likely happen at some point. Comparing it to ASCN has no merit, we WILL fight harder have no doubt about that. We are a large number of smaller alliances with a proven track record responding in force to help each other out. Call it an informal alliance of alliances if you will.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron Sounds to me like you want BoB to invade D2 space so your corporation can rent Venal.
I'm sick tired of venal, you won't see me paying 1isk to live there
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Cyleth
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera BoB only fight wars they are 100% sure of winning with minimal losses.
I see.. Is that the reason you stayed docked in Stain? -- Listen to Club BNC on BoB Radio. Visit our website for schedules.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 03/01/2007 16:01:41 Add FLA and Oxide to the D2 side.
Edit: BTW, does anyone know why D2 were moving 9 Obelisks through pureblind last night?
Originally by: Victor Ramirez using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera Wont happen. BoB only fight wars they are 100% sure of winning with minimal losses and D2 allies starting with RZR and going east is busy with us and cant help D2.
OMG dont believe ur own hype mate.
CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Edit: BTW, does anyone know why D2 were moving 9 Obelisks through pureblind last night?
I know it, and maybe you will know it too, soonÖ ________
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Ellohem
Fountain Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ellohem on 03/01/2007 16:12:07 if D2 have a good enough stockpile of mins, ships, t2, and more importantly PEOPLE staged close to BOB space, then they are in with a very good chance of doing a vast amount of damage to the Corps that reside in BOB space,
But i dont think they have a chance of totaly whiping BOB out, because lets face it, where do you start... Delve Querious, Fountain, Period basis, Paragon soul, Esoteria, Feythabolis...
To Completely destroy BOB, they would need to completly destroy their industrial might first, then start on BOB itself, but with the amount of space they hold i fear it may be out of anyones reach ATM.
Although, something will happen sooner or later, as BOB wish to destroy the Erebus.
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Galavet
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Edit: BTW, does anyone know why D2 were moving 9 Obelisks through pureblind last night?
Because its easier than moving 684 Itty Mk V's?
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dailyhazard
Caldari Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ellohem if D2 have a good enough stockpile of mins, ships, t2, and more importantly PEOPLE staged close to BOB space, then they are in with a very good chance of doing a vast amount of damage to the Corps that reside in BOB space,
But i dont think they have a chance of totaly whiping BOB out, because lets face it, where do you start... Delve Querious, Fountain, Period basis, Paragon soul, Esoteria, Feythabolis...
To Completely destroy BOB, they would need to completly destroy their industrial might first, then start on BOB itself, but with the amount of space they hold i fear it may be out of anyones reach ATM.
As long as they destroy there ego/e-peen im sure everyone will be pleased.
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Ellohem
Fountain Foundation
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: dailyhazard As long as they destroy there ego/e-peen im sure everyone will be pleased.
kin'a
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:15:00 -
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Just because i love you eddie.
WTS IMPASS!
convo Seleene please.
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:24:00 -
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that funny i haven't heard anything like that.. it seems everyone but bob and D2 know what is happening in our alliance because we can't have fun and just pvp. we have to OMG WE ARE AFTER YOU. i would laugh my ass off if BOB and D2 HC both posted a thread saying they were resetting standings and just napping eachother. than the eve-o forums would light up.
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Lea Redux
Gallente moon7empler Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Galavet
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Edit: BTW, does anyone know why D2 were moving 9 Obelisks through pureblind last night?
Because its easier than moving 684 Itty Mk V's?
^^i like that one.
On the topic of bla vs. blub:
People talk about this as if the "war to end all wars" would be coming .
Lets look at the facts though... whenever someone from BOB talks about "bringing it" they want them to bring "it" to Delve. Which is on the other side of the moon as far as im concerned, a place id like to visit someday and have some pewpew, but BOB cannot be destroyed like ASCN (or at least they make it seem so), i.e. collapsing under pressure from outside + within. So even if by some turn of events someone managed to take out their home base (and he'd have to secure it afterwards, no idea how except moving there permanently) BOBs fighting force could move anywhere in the huge EVE universe and go on pwning.
Or to put it more graphically: imagine D2 in Delve and BOB in Branch with full fleets + titans, both shouting "bring it, im pwning yon minions".
Anyways that wasnt my point, my point is: WAR WILL NEVER END, no matter the amount of pilots/allys one or the other side might field at some point. Dont fool yourself, there will be explosions, cries of haxorz, fun to be had. However one of the (more than two i might add) sides screaming "banzaii, all or nothing!" will soon discover that all is unobtainable, and nothing waits just around the corner.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 03/01/2007 16:52:19
Originally by: katz3
Originally by: Quarantine
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
lol, wtf are you talking about ? you wont even fight vs 20 BS...why should we bring 100 ?
as u have, what has been profen before, no clue about anyhting step away from the keyboard and stop making ur alliance look stupid.
About the topic, its not d2 is all about bob, and id guess bob is not all about d2
Quarantine, we can probally bring more then u think but its not like tons of ppl are willing to watch force field or camp a gate for hours to get a fight lasting 10 seconds
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: DeadDuck
You had a very grey idea of what MIGHT be fighting D2 when a minor PVP wing paid you a visit some weeks ago. But I have to say that I truly enjoy how badly informed you are.
No, we have a very exact idea what it is like to fight D2. If you could field a 100 bs blob of the quality that paid us a visit you'd be ready to fight BoB, but we all know that you can't.
i remember that a few weeks ago. i even took my miner char out there with my geddon. i find it funny that my mining char uses t2 tachy's and exhumer lvl5 but i perfer this alt for pvp.
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Quarantine
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Quarantine, we can probally bring more then u think but its not like tons of ppl are willing to watch force field or camp a gate for hours to get a fight lasting 10 seconds
I'm very certain you can field a very big fleet if you want, but Branch is the kind of region that breeds 50% raven blobs that don't bother moving further south than maybe ec-p8r . I just don't see the D2 blob being better than the BoB blob, that is all. I think that neither of you two has any realistic chances of conquering each other's space, we've had this north vs. south scenarios often enough.
On the matter of engaging, since I lost 2 Tempests already in 6NJ I daresay we did have some fights there before the holidays :).
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Quarantine
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Quarantine, we can probally bring more then u think but its not like tons of ppl are willing to watch force field or camp a gate for hours to get a fight lasting 10 seconds
I'm very certain you can field a very big fleet if you want, but Branch is the kind of region that breeds 50% raven blobs that don't bother moving further south than maybe ec-p8r . I just don't see the D2 blob being better than the BoB blob, that is all. I think that neither of you two has any realistic chances of conquering each other's space, we've had this north vs. south scenarios often enough.
On the matter of engaging, since I lost 2 Tempests already in 6NJ I daresay we did have some fights there before the holidays :).
having fights always attracts the less talented, ah maybe we'll have notrh vs south happen - or not
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XoPhyte
Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: XoPhyte on 03/01/2007 17:45:08 I think AAA is the lynchpin in this discussion. If you get AAA involved attacking Delve etc, while D2 is either invading fountain, or defending their own space, then things could get tough for Bob. AAA has proven themselves to be a very capable PVP alliance. Of course I would imagine that it would come down to Bob fighting D2 and allies by themselves (which I think they are capable of doing), and if AAA does get involved, then AAA fighting MC + Fix.
RA/Goons are to busy fighting LV to contribute much to this war I believe. I think it would come down to the fortitude of Bob pilots tbh. They have been fighting us for several months, we (ASCN) have seen a reduction in the types of ships they were fielding near the end (t1 rather then t2, a fact I am sure Bob will try to side step or spin in some way). The fact is POS busting and sitting in POS's can be very boring, and they have been doing it for months already. Can they continue without any internal strife? They said they were prepared for a 6 month war with ASCN alone, so perhaps. Only time will tell I suppose. And Bob is very good at what they do (and their dreads are damn near invincible!).
Without AAA getting involved then I would fear things would not go well for D2 and friends (I have no knowledge of the Norths combat abilities though tbh). Whatever occurs it will be interesting if this truly happens!
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight
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Esaam DeVries
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr BTW, does anyone know why D2 were moving 9 Obelisks through pureblind last night?
Hey ! What happens in Pure Blind, stays in Pure Blind. And for your information, that's our monthly stock of Holoreels ****. -- "Please, would you tell me," said Alice, a little timidly, ... "why your cat grins like that?" "It's a Cheshire cat," said the Duchess, "and that's why." http://www.evetrust.com |
Lag Fest
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:04:00 -
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isn't pretty much entire north already all napped up with eachother? When you say north i think of carebear PvPer wannabes napping eachother all say long. _______________________________________ |
Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:11:00 -
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i'd rather be in a mining barge than put stabs on my ships like a couple of &&& did a couple days ago
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: DeadDuck on 03/01/2007 18:14:58
Originally by: Lag Fest When you say north i think of carebear PvPer wannabes napping eachother all say long.
Well when I think about South I think about sunny beaches with warm waters... each one of us "paints" a image on our minds thats suits us better
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