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Verus Potestas
Caldari The I-Win Button
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:14:00 -
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Does it make sense?
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Hydrian Alante
The Loot Company
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:16:00 -
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That¦s pretty good idea I guess.
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Sovereign533
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:16:00 -
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yeah... for npc's, the tax only applies when above a certain amount of isk... and makes u join a real player corp... =p
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Nero Scuro
Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:29:00 -
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This would be good.
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I wish I had something else to add, but no, that's it. It's a good idea. Hope CCP implement it. ___
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:31:00 -
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I like this idea.
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:33:00 -
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Do it!
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Harisdrop
Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:33:00 -
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You are only 85% short. Check my sig out. New NPC NPC Market |
Damien Smith
Turbulent Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:33:00 -
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Agreed. ----------- Join channel 'Turby' or die! (bring pie) I <3 carebears on toast ^^ - Xorus I'll trade you some carebears for some sheep -Tirg
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Bangoura
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:33:00 -
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Me too, amazed it's never been implemented until now.
The minimum amount before tax applying means it doesn't hurt real new players anyway
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Zomiaen
Gallente Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:35:00 -
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/signed.
Its an execellent idea, doesn't effect the real newbies, and encourages older players to join/form their own corporation. Love it. _________________________
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Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:38:00 -
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Wonderful idea, newbies won't be hurt by it, and the older people can EASILY start their own corp.
Originally by: Deja Thoris The dead horse has now been flogged into puree.
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Curzon Dax
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:43:00 -
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Why?
What's the purpose of attaching a 15% tax to NPC corps? I happen to enjoy my 0% tax rate. If I wanted to give money to a player corporation, I would join one. You can't make anyone join a player corp. Have you lost the perspective that this is an MMO, and everyone is free to play how they choose? That you don't dictate my play style?
No, it doesn't make sense. There's some thick-skulled logic behind your 4 word post I'm sure, but feel free to share it with the rest of us. To get macro-miners into corps? Not going to happen. They're mining, not ratting. To get alts to leave NPC corps? Not going to happen. They're scouting, not ratting. To get mission runners to join corps? They will eventually.
All the new folks who start in an NPC corp, and generally spend a few weeks / months there while they learn how to play don't need to be griefed and wardecced. They need to learn how to play, and scrounge up every ISK that they can.
You want to get players out of NPC corps? Use a bit of common sense. Why are people like me in an NPC corp? Well...its because there's some great people there, always fresh faces coming and going, pricechecks available throughout the galaxy, no wardecs, and 0% tax. If you want older players to leave NPC corps, offer them something that they can't get in an NPC corp.
You get people out of NPC corps by offering them something that they want. Making their gameplay more fun. If you're trying to fix the problem of not being able to attack people you think you should be able to, an NPC corp tax isn't going to solve it. That's like President Bush saying, "Hrm...lots of illegal aliens crossing over from Mexico. Lets raise income tax." Makes no sense.
Neither do you.
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Emo Jelli
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:46:00 -
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What would also make sense is a charge for every forum post. How about 1 million ISK each
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Tanis Bastar
Caldari Interstitial Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:46:00 -
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Yeah, but maybe give people a 3-month tax holiday when they first start.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax Why?
What's the purpose of attaching a 15% tax to NPC corps? I happen to enjoy my 0% tax rate. If I wanted to give money to a player corporation, I would join one. You can't make anyone join a player corp.
No, but there should be a penalty for being invincible in an NPC corp and immune to wars.
You can create your own corporation, by the way.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari The I-Win Button
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax No, it doesn't make sense. There's some thick-skulled logic behind your 4 word post I'm sure, but feel free to share it with the rest of us. To get macro-miners into corps? Not going to happen. They're mining, not ratting.
Visit 0.0 some time soon. Go to a quiet system. You'll likely see an Achura in SWA log off 10seconds after you hit local. Not this reason though tbh.
Originally by: Curzon Dax To get alts to leave NPC corps? Not going to happen. They're scouting, not ratting.
No.
Originally by: Curzon Dax To get mission runners to join corps? They will eventually.
Don't share your faith there
Originally by: Curzon Dax You get people out of NPC corps by offering them something that they want.
I am. I'm offering ISK.
As for why, it's Risk vs Reward. Player corps are a risk above NPC corps. Why not have a reward as well?
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Verus Potestas
Caldari The I-Win Button
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Emo Jelli What would also make sense is a charge for every forum post. How about 1 million ISK each
I'd be down about 20b by now...
No
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Lt Angus
Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:52:00 -
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Great idea, will be implemented next patch
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:06:00 -
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It is a great idea. Not just froma game mechanics view, either.
In RL, governments tax. Its a fact of life. From a fluff perspective, why is it that corporations are not charging tax to it's inhabitants? Its the common practice among 90% of the corps (player owned) in EVE- why would the NPC corps miss the trick? And with factional warfare on the horizon, surely the various governments in EVE will be in an isk-hoarding move, providing perfect role-play excuses to bring it in now.
From a game mechanics perspective, it makes sense too. Not only does it give incentive to join or create player corps (not a massive boot out like some people want, but a gentle prod in the right direction), but its also a massive ISK sink, and lord knows EVE needs isk sinks. The lower limit on tax ensures that newbies wont get hurt by it, and (as proved by the fact that almost all players in player corps live with a tax) it wont unduly hurt experienced players. -----------------------------------------------
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Lasus
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:06:00 -
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I have been playing about 6 months. I was in a player corp that eventually just dissolved. Now I am in a NPC corp. I will join a player corp when I find one that fits my style of play.
However I will do it in my own good time. None of you have the right to tell me how I play. Don't you people have enough targets to shoot at ??
If I started my own corp I am sure I would be war decced and I don't have enough ISK to hire any one to protect me.
None of the ideas about making it hard to stay in an NPC corp will stop macro miners.
So you play your way I'll play my way. If the devs dont like the way I play they can change the rules.
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Constantine Arcanum
Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:08:00 -
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Hit the nail on the head Great idea... I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 03/01/2007 17:11:21
Originally by: Lasus I have been playing about 6 months. I was in a player corp that eventually just dissolved. Now I am in a NPC corp. I will join a player corp when I find one that fits my style of play.
However I will do it in my own good time. None of you have the right to tell me how I play. Don't you people have enough targets to shoot at ??
If I started my own corp I am sure I would be war decced and I don't have enough ISK to hire any one to protect me.
None of the ideas about making it hard to stay in an NPC corp will stop macro miners.
So you play your way I'll play my way. If the devs dont like the way I play they can change the rules.
The one thing that attracted me to EVE was the freedom to play however I want, not to please other players.
If you really think someone is going to wardec your one-man corporation the instant you create it, either you are paranoid beyond belief or you are a macro miner. Plain and simple.
EVE is about risk vs reward. If you choose to lead a profession with very little risk, the reward should be diminished.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari The I-Win Button
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:14:00 -
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I made it clear further up that this has NOTHING to do with macrominers or ISK farmers of any kind.
I agree with the idea of a "tax holiday", maybe a month, before it is imposed. I'd probably do that by making the schools tax free, but then moving them to the Bloodline NPC corps (with the tax) after a month.
As for your one-man corp, I've been in a 1-4 man corp for months at a time without ever being decced, and I've caused PLENTY of grief. Besides, risk vs reward.
You are right when you say I have no right to change how you play. I'm not changing the way you play. I've asking those that DO have that right to change it. Like you said, "if the devs dont like the way I play they can change the rules." That's what I'm hoping for. I don't actually have a button to change the tax rates in NPC corps (Santa, if you're listening... I know it's late, but...)
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D2O HeavyWater
Amarr Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:16:00 -
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I like it.
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Daelin Blackleaf
Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:18:00 -
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No one is telling any of you how to play, people simply feel that NPC corps have enough advantages and the lack of a tax makes no sense from a RP point of view.
Consider it protection money.
Sooner or later the issue of people hanging round in empire and earning obscene ammounts of isk mission running and macro mining with very little risk is going to have to be resolved. This is a small step in the right direction.
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Thalera Saldana
Minmatar Oxymorons from Outer Space
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lasus If I started my own corp I am sure I would be war decced and I don't have enough ISK to hire any one to protect me.
As far as I can tell after about 6-7 months no one can be bothered to dec a 2-3 person corp (/me whispers quietly) but if they do, I have the benefit of empire jump clones, plenty of disposable T1 frigs for some fun until they get bored.
But I do agree it is up to you what you do .. .
Thal
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Ajaku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:27:00 -
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NPC corps should not allow the use of mining barges, exhumers, freighters, or capital ships. They should also have 10% tax at least.
If you want nice things, you get out of the NPC corp.
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Curzon Dax
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:44:00 -
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Oh...and one more note. Since the arguments for taxing NPC corps seem to revolve around a RP perspective, here's another one.
I'm in Deep Corp Mining Inc. I'm working for the Caldari State. In return for my hard efforts, and my loyalty, the Caldari State doesn't tax me.
None of you get taxed either. Your CEO can give you the money back easily enough. But lets stick with RP. I'm the EVE equivalent of a government worker. When I'm on a military post, I don't pay tax. When I'm in Empire space, I shouldn't pay tax.
You all are NOT government / faction employees. You should have to pay tax to come into empire space. You should also have to pay factional tax to go into a factional space not of your own race. Yep. We need to balance this out.
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Rab
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:46:00 -
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Why cant more people just play and let others play their way? My main left npc corp week 2, but I vote for 'If you aren't in one, you shouldn't care'.
All that will happen is that people that choose not to join player corps merely make isk a little slower. Thats it. Thats all that will happen. No, they wont leave their corp. And soon the pvpers will ask for a 30% or a 50% or a 99% tax to try and get these non wardec targets into somewhere they can be attacked.
Some people just want to stay in an NPC corp. If you want to be able to gank smack talkers, or people that scam you, or that mission runner that just passed you in a CNR, ask CCP to add something along those lines perhaps, rather than try and subtly encourage them out with pressure.
Maybe a wardec on an individual that is more than 3 months old in an NPC corp, something that achieves what you really want from it.
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Kane Ululani
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Verus Potestas I made it clear further up that this has NOTHING to do with macrominers or ISK farmers of any kind.
I agree with the idea of a "tax holiday", maybe a month, before it is imposed. I'd probably do that by making the schools tax free, but then moving them to the Bloodline NPC corps (with the tax) after a month.
As for your one-man corp, I've been in a 1-4 man corp for months at a time without ever being decced, and I've caused PLENTY of grief. Besides, risk vs reward.
You are right when you say I have no right to change how you play. I'm not changing the way you play. I've asking those that DO have that right to change it. Like you said, "if the devs dont like the way I play they can change the rules." That's what I'm hoping for. I don't actually have a button to change the tax rates in NPC corps (Santa, if you're listening... I know it's late, but...)
Whats the point other then spite? You want people to associate more so you are going to force them into 1 person corps? That sounds like it sucks. It might get some large npc-based alliance producers to move, but they are not leaving the station ever again.
I am not really sure I blame them staying in a NPC corp. There are a lot fewer corps willing to risk taking 2-3 million skill point players into 0.0, or even low sec. And those corps risk being smeared as "nubs" all over these forums for doing so. Further, its really hard to make a pvp effective low skill point main on your initial character, you naturally want to experiment and find out what you like.
I'ld prefer a storyline that T2 BPOs "get tired" and need to be refreshed by a long space journey once a month.
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