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Malikton	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:00:00 - [151] Apologies, I didn't realise you were speaking directly for CCP - and I didn't realise that the carebears' subscription cash was so valueless. Maybe the best thing would be as I suggested earlier - a cluster for the carebears and a cluster for the red-toothed borderline psychopaths - then they can both play as they want to without impinging on the play-styles of the other.
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:09:00 - [152] Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 05/01/2007 11:11:54 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Curzon Dax Why? What's the purpose of attaching a 15% tax to NPC corps? I happen to enjoy my 0% tax rate. If I wanted to give money to a player corporation, I would join one. You can't make anyone join a player corp. No, but there should be a penalty for being invincible in an NPC corp and immune to wars. You can create your own corporation, by the way. Yeah... people say its about the people in your noob corp... just join a channel... theres all kinds of chat channels out there and i think theres about 5 hardcore nutcase rollplayers in eve that actually think they're in the Caldari Navy.... I used to get ****ed about utter carebears but after seeing what happens when they pvp... well.. some people dont want to and shouldnt be forced... i kinda see some nobility into working your ass off for that one, sweet, fully kitted CNR... its just that missions suck.... People who have the patience to mine full time... hats off also... but the nature of eve is that a) noobs get ganked, especially noobs in low sec areas/corp wars and this puts them off eve (remember how much your first cruiser meant to you? how god damn long it took doing level one missions to get it?) and b) not everyone wants wars and the like... if you want to push people into real corps then yes tax the noob corp... but maybe we need an incentive other than fleet play/big alliance stuff to attract people... POS's are crap but they make good money.. as does 0.0 ratting... but if you're a small fish thats hard to do in a big ocean... In short.. i used to think punishing the noob corp wusses was the way to go but not so much anymore.... you do get a lot more out of eve if you get your ass out of that noob corp though... Edit: dark shikari's in FIX? thats where that t2 loot is coming from... Also... if people wanna puss off and live in empire forever then let them... its craphouse there anyway... its just a shame you cant get even with the bigger mouthed noob corpers... unless you wanna play with probes
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:14:00 - [153] /signed to tax npc corp members Forsch Defender of the empire Can't wait for the oomph!
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:25:00 - [154] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 05/01/2007 11:29:43 Totally against the idea. NPC corps - no services - no tax The NPC corps are only a tool for CCP, not "true" corporations. If the OP idea was implemented I will start a campaign for the right to be a free player outside of any corporation. For RL comparison, the income tax is for the income generated in the territory of a state and has nothing to do with a fee you pay to belong to a corporation and use of the corporation assets. If you want the equivalent of an income tax, you must tax all income generated in Empire space. And as some has pointed out you will hit only the missions runners as all the other people is totally non influenced by the tax. I see that most of the forume whiners hate mission runners with a great passion, even if I can't get why, and search for every system they can find to ruin that stile of play. There is some reason beside "I want more target"?
Sinder Ohm Caldari Ratio Decidendi	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:31:00 - [155] /signed to 15% tax on noob corps, the 15% tax should be considered as payment for being immune to war decs. Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
BurnHard	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:42:00 - [156] wtf do you care if they can't be war-decced? Aren't a lot of empire war-decs just griefing within game mechanics? You just want to pew-pew something within the safety of empire, so you choose a whiney mission running or mining corp full of near-n00bs, war-dec it and get your kicks. Well, why don't you go to 0.0 and fight with the big boys and leave those that want to stay with an NPC corp remain.
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:43:00 - [157] signed wonderfull idea!! dotn know if it is mentioned but it would also increase the attraction to mission running corps with 0% tax, would be a good recruit boost to smaller corps and bigger corps alike.
Asteryos	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:43:00 - [158] EVE rocks!
Spanker Genco	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:50:00 - [159] Originally by: Asteryos EVE rocks! What, as in veld? - Shpank
Sinder Ohm Caldari Ratio Decidendi	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:55:00 - [160] Originally by: BurnHard wtf do you care if they can't be war-decced? Aren't a lot of empire war-decs just griefing within game mechanics? You just want to pew-pew something within the safety of empire, so you choose a whiney mission running or mining corp full of near-n00bs, war-dec it and get your kicks. Well, why don't you go to 0.0 and fight with the big boys and leave those that want to stay with an NPC corp remain. I personaly dont war dec empire corps to get a fight i look for those in 0.0 or low sec. But it makes me think of a saying... You cant have your cake and eat. it. Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES

Selena 001	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:07:00 - [161] Sucks that empire based PvP corps have to dec empire corps anyway... I mean... Where's the challenge? (Yes, I've been dec'd loads of times, and EVERY time its been by players who can hold their own in 0.0, but dont...) Go to 0.0... But OFC you'r not likely to have the advantage there are you. About time everyone got a little bit of perspective, and got on with playing the ******* game instead of trying to make it easier for yourselves. ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:25:00 - [162] Why punish carebears? To what end? Nobody has ever been invincible, even in highsec. 0.0 is vast, isn't there any place to go vent your negative energy? But no, BoB is too hard for us, let's tax NPC corps %15 so we can wardec 1-man corps. People say the Eve community is "mature", I find it to be full of really sour-grapes type "he has a bigger potato than me" type anklebiters. By the time this lot is done with their "suggestions" all missions will pay 1 cent, highsec will consist of 5 sectors, and every gate out will consist of 30 people sitting around masturbating at their Ibis killmail. Get a life you tossers.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:35:00 - [163] Originally by: BurnHard wtf do you care if they can't be war-decced? Aren't a lot of empire war-decs just griefing within game mechanics? You just want to pew-pew something within the safety of empire, so you choose a whiney mission running or mining corp full of near-n00bs, war-dec it and get your kicks. Well, why don't you go to 0.0 and fight with the big boys and leave those that want to stay with an NPC corp remain. No its not griefing. Is players wanting to play eve as eve is meant to be played ( i know trademarked by nvidia.. ) You will very very seldom see any true griefer (if you stay out of haligur). You will be wardeced if they want to force you out of their land (want that belts only for them for example) or want your possessions. THAT IS EVE. Lol to teh carebears that ask separated serves and say that economy would not be without them. And who do you think gets most of the gisty boosters and all fancy stuff from null sec to you? Surelly are not empire runners. We want eve to be what eve is to be. We want NPC corps to be what they shoudl be.. noob corps. Just kick old players out to their own corps. Or just Ban Battleships, Freighters and all big stuff form NPC corps. If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Hellspawn01 Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:37:00 - [164] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Please not overwealming majority of players objecting being alt's in nub corps. ** me sideways winston, I wonder why that is Freighter + NPC corp + 0.5+ = GODMODE Clearly wrong, NPC corps are not meant for older players. They're for newer members to get a foothold in Eve. Not for Vet's to try to make their own "No-PvP flag" Alliaanna** Older players must be in corps to get war decced? Am I not allowed to chat with newbies in corp chat? Do I have to pvp all day? Simply, NO. Eve is about "Do what you want" not "PvP dictates your day". Think about it. Ship lovers click here
Malikton	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:37:00 - [165] "You can't have your cake and eat it too" What's the point of having cake if you can't eat it? Are we just supposed to sit and admire the cake? Is cake really just for throwing at other people, or for balancing on your head? Conversely, how can you eat cake without having some? I always thought that was a particularly strange expression. Personally, I reckon the people who say it really mean..."Its ok for me to have cake and eat it too, but the way that CCP intend this game to be played is that you should spend most of your time baking me extra cake, and feeding me it, because you aren't me, and CCP want me to have all the cake there is"
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:38:00 - [166] And one more thing. So if I'm ratting in 0.0 in a NPC corp I should get charged %15 tax right, for Concord protection? In that case then Concord better come out and wax anybody who attacks me, because I better get SOMEthing for my money. I repeat, you are a bunch of tossers. Now I know why people do things like logoffs and exploits, because nobody has any respect for this community, they're like a bunch of animals who will do anything for a killmail, lie, cheat, drop cans at gates, logon traps, alt spying, whine to the devs WAAAAH MAKE THEM PAY %15 WAAAAH. I repeat, you are a bunch of fcking tossers. Go fight BoB if you're such a hard man. Go take over the galaxy, go take all the 0.0 sectors, kill everyone hard man. Bunch of ***s.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:46:00 - [167] Originally by: Cipher7 And one more thing. So if I'm ratting in 0.0 in a NPC corp I should get charged %15 tax right, for Concord protection? In that case then Concord better come out and wax anybody who attacks me, because I better get SOMEthing for my money. I repeat, you are a bunch of tossers. Now I know why people do things like logoffs and exploits, because nobody has any respect for this community, they're like a bunch of animals who will do anything for a killmail, lie, cheat, drop cans at gates, logon traps, alt spying, whine to the devs WAAAAH MAKE THEM PAY %15 WAAAAH. I repeat, you are a bunch of fcking tossers. Go fight BoB if you're such a hard man. Go take over the galaxy, go take all the 0.0 sectors, kill everyone hard man. Bunch of ***s. ------------------------------ nice one. posts like this make me think 15% is too low. get that "L" tattoo removed from your forhead bud. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.- -nerf Missles-
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:52:00 - [168] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Please not overwealming majority of players objecting being alt's in nub corps. ** me sideways winston, I wonder why that is Freighter + NPC corp + 0.5+ = GODMODE Clearly wrong, NPC corps are not meant for older players. They're for newer members to get a foothold in Eve. Not for Vet's to try to make their own "No-PvP flag" Alliaanna** Older players must be in corps to get war decced? Am I not allowed to chat with newbies in corp chat? Do I have to pvp all day? Simply, NO. Eve is about "Do what you want" not "PvP dictates your day". Think about it. no you don't need. But you shoudl be pvpable as it was intended to be. Now.. try to imagine REAL griefers.. they are 99% of time in NPC corps because they can hide back in empire. IF no old player was in NPC corp we would have far less.. in fact i would dare to say zero (on estatistical point of view) griefing. If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:10:00 - [169] Originally by: Verus Potestas Does it make sense? i'd say 25% you really want to move people out of NPC corps, and into the real world, as such a huge tax like 25% would make a player owned corp extremely attractive, regardless of it's tax rate. players often leave their corps when a tax rate is introduced because they don't want to loose that 5% of their earnings, when in actual fact they'd never notice the drop. ========================================== Iy
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Lasleinur Production Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:31:00 - [170] Dear CCP, People are playing the game in a way that I personally do not like. I want to be able to attack them, and I can't. This is grossly unfair, in the history of mankind no greater injustice has been heaped upon a population than the non-taxed NPC corp game mechanic. The slaughter of the native American and the current crisis in Darfur pale in comparison to this problem. You have 24 hours to change this. If you do not do so I will be forced to start numerous threads complaining about the situation in which I will: 1) Moan repeatedly about how this is a PvP game. 2) Use the phrase "risk v reward" ad inifinitum. 3) Engage in repeated ad hominem attacks by referring to anyone who disagrees with me as a Carebear. 4) Vaguely suggest Economic exploits involving Alliances that I would never attack because I am scared of them and they would have an actual chance of killing me. 5) Inform other players that they need to come to grips with the harsh realities of virtual life, and if they can't hack constant frustration, stress and abuse they would be better of playing "Barbie: The Video Game." I have worked hard for my virtual assets. The fact that other players can acquire virtual assets in a manner that I personally do not like is offensive and diminishes my many amazing accomplishments. And while you are at it, there are also too many months in the Calendar. Please remove 3. Thanks you, Amiable

Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:38:00 - [171] Originally by: Amiable Quinn Dear CCP, People are playing the game in a way that I personally do not like. I want to be able to attack them, and I can't. that's not so much the issue, as it is, people are supposed, by design of the game, to begin in an NPC corp, then move on to player corps because there are so many benefits, because player corps are supposed to be BETTER. as it stands now, NPC corps are the easy option for people who don't wish to interact, some who want impunity, and also for ISK farmers who don't want anything to do with the game unless it makes them real money. a large tax on NPC corps will not deter those who wish to have impunity, but those who see it as a better option than being in a player corp with a 5% tax will see that there are advantages of ebcomming part of a community, and those ISK farmers will have their proffits eaten into a little, maybe not much, but everything helps. ========================================== Iy
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Lasleinur Production Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:58:00 - [172] Originally by: Iyanah that's not so much the issue, as it is, people are supposed, by design of the game, to begin in an NPC corp, then move on to player corps because there are so many benefits, because player corps are supposed to be BETTER. I think the design of the game is to have PvP areas and non-PvP areas. If CCP wanted everyone to PvP all the time they would not have Concord in Empire. Let CCP decide what the design of their game is or isn't. Originally by: Iyanah as it stands now, NPC corps are the easy option for people who don't wish to interact, some who want impunity, and also for ISK farmers who don't want anything to do with the game unless it makes them real money. People who don't want to interact - So? They pay their 15 dollars per month. If they don't want to interact that is their business. I personally wouldn't find it much fun, but I don't think it is acceptable for me to dictate to them how they should play the game. People who want impunity - Are you reffering to smack-talkers or Alliances hiding assets? Smack-talkers will stay in NPC corps no matter how high you raise the tax rate, as their enjoyment comes from smack talking not making ISK. Alliances hiding assets is a real concern, but 15% is really not going to deter them much and if it does they will just corp hop and time their changes accordingly. ISK farmers - see below Originally by: Iyanah a large tax on NPC corps will not deter those who wish to have impunity, but those who see it as a better option than being in a player corp with a 5% tax will see that there are advantages of ebcomming part of a community, and those ISK farmers will have their proffits eaten into a little, maybe not much, but everything helps. Stopping ISK farmers in a MMORPG is a Quixotic endeavour. There will ALWAYS be farmers in online-games, as long as there are players and an economy. Why? Because many folks calulate that if 1 hour of real-life work saves them 100 hours of boring in-game grinding that is money well spent. Especially in a game like Eve where grinding for cash for expensive ships can take a very long time. Heck even CCP knows this and sanctions sales through game cards! Raising taxes on folks in NPC corps will have absolutely no effect on ISK farmers, who will just charge more for ISK.
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2007.01.05 14:11:00 - [173] Originally by: Iyanah Originally by: Amiable Quinn Dear CCP, People are playing the game in a way that I personally do not like. I want to be able to attack them, and I can't. that's not so much the issue, as it is, people are supposed, by design of the game, to begin in an NPC corp, then move on to player corps because there are so many benefits, because player corps are supposed to be BETTER. as it stands now, NPC corps are the easy option for people who don't wish to interact, some who want impunity, and also for ISK farmers who don't want anything to do with the game unless it makes them real money. a large tax on NPC corps will not deter those who wish to have impunity, but those who see it as a better option than being in a player corp with a 5% tax will see that there are advantages of ebcomming part of a community, and those ISK farmers will have their proffits eaten into a little, maybe not much, but everything helps. Right, except these people don't effect me at all. I don't care about them. They're in Empire space doing whatever they like to do, and buying named DCUs at absurdly good prices. Why should I, or anyone else, like say, you, care that they're in NPC corps? If they come to low-sec we might shoot them, if they're in 0.0 they'll almost certainly be KOS everywhere - who the hell cares what they do? And for the love of god don't talk about ISK farmers until you get a clue. NPC corp miners -> 1-man corp seller = ISK farming continues totally unabated. Your entire argument is...well I don't know what it is - someone who doesn't effect you in anyway and yet they're somehow a problem? I'm waiting for the half-assed rant about inflation and EVEonomics and wishing I'd saved the BoB member post which neatly pointed out how wrong that is.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:06:00 - [174] If you dont understand how this can be used as an dxploit" by lage alliances moving stuff. Then shut up! Don even argue about it. Thei is prejudicing the MAIN POART OF GAME. Yes.. 0.0 wars and empire wars Are the MAIN PART OF THE GAME. You are also trying to impose your way to play on others (so balance we trying to impose ours).. we want to be able to war dec all those pimped up ravens and intercept supplies comming from empire to alliances.. That is the game play we desire and we will fight for that If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Malikton	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:16:00 - [175] ...and how, precisely, Kagura old chap, is slapping a 15 percent tax rate on NPC corps going to prevent Alliances using NPC corp alts to move stuff around? Are they all going to stop because they cannot mission tax-free anymore?
Ariel Dawn SniggWaffe	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:29:00 - [176] The only problem with NPC corps are those who use it to grief while being protected from retribution. These people would not be affected by corp tax due to recieving funds from other characters and thus would only hurt many casual players who have little interest in PvP. There is a very large number of corps in EVE to serve your purposes of war-decs. If you want real PvP, go to low/no sec. Trying to force new players and casual gamers to play the way you want is pathetic when you have plenty of other options available to you.
Secretary Bargain consumables	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:09:00 - [177] Amiable Quin has a very good point. I believe his solution is not drastic enough there should be 4 fewer months in the year. because i want it that way.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:26:00 - [178] You know I said it before and Ima going to say it again. Good thing CCP is smarter then the average poster in this thread. I really hated playing when 1500 people were on. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Nite Angelus Gallente Warped Mining	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:36:00 - [179] So far i haven't seen a single good reason to tax npc corps. The argument about risk vs rewards is probably the closest thing to a thought out response in this thread. Why should they get all the benefits of running missions or mining without getting taxed or the risk of being attacked? Well it depends what kind of rewards you are looking for, aside from the obvious monetary aspects like high end rats and ores in 0.0 or maybe access to cheaper T2 items and ships. My reward from being in a player corporation come from playing the game with a group of like minded people while working to a common goal. That is something that you just don't get in an npc corp. So i honestly don't think that the benefits of being in an npc corp are in fact so great. In fact i wouldn't go back to empire even if you payed me. In the end it comes down to the fact that everyone in eve pays to play the game. This means they can play the game however they want. If they want to play by themselves then fine. You say it's not a solo game, it is if they want to play it that way. Even if they want to be griefers, fair enough, their choice. The only people who have any right to tell people how they should play the game are the devs, and while they're not obliged to do what the players want, it's certainly in their interest.
Malibu Stacey Gallente Playboy Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:56:00 - [180] Originally by: Iyanah Originally by: Verus Potestas Does it make sense? i'd say 25% you really want to move people out of NPC corps, and into the real world, as such a huge tax like 25% would make a player owned corp extremely attractive, regardless of it's tax rate. players often leave their corps when a tax rate is introduced because they don't want to loose that 5% of their earnings, when in actual fact they'd never notice the drop. I agree with that. Something between 15% and 25% tax on all NPC corps except the 12 newbie school corps but characters are kicked from the newbie school corp if they're still in it after 3 months of playing (and anyone who's been in a newbie school corp for 3 months+ if this was implemented should get kicked into a racial NPC corp straight away). Too many whiners on this thread are scared that CCP might just listen to a good suggestion by some players (for a change) & take away their easy street. --- Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!



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