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Templer Relleg
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:06:00 -
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So. I just talked on the eve-chaos irc channel. A guy said that the vista client is supposed to support x64.
As far as i understand: Eve Classic - 32bit and dx9 Eve Vista - 64bit and Dx10
1) So, if you have a x64 bit XP, will we be stuck with a 32bit client? 2) If i have Vista x64, but no dx10, will we have to use the 32bit client?
To sum it up: Is it either all(x64 and dx10) or nothing(x86 and dx9)
Thank you
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:23:00 -
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x64 4tw -------------------------------------
I know more than you do, bugger off! |
Sophism
Amarr Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:28:00 -
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/signed :)
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Zyrla Bladestorm
Minmatar Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:39:00 -
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The whole point of the new engine is to re-write it from the ground up around DX10, so I wouldn't expect it will support DX9, that would be what the old/DX9 client is for.
Wether they added 64 bit support to the DX9 client when they upgrade its graphics elements with what they learn from writing the new one would probably depend on how difficult it was, if not very I'm sure they'd port that work over also.
Oh, and vista can be 32 bit or 64 bit, so presumably the DX10 client will support both (Though if you dont have a rig modern enough to be 64 bit, I'm not sure why you would need vista anyhow) . ----- It's great being Minmatar, ain't it? Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.01.17 07:46:00 -
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I do hope they add suppot for x64 and SLI do to the fact many of the new systems thats coming out now have that ! And the real game people have even more then that in there systems.
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Arimus Darkhart
Caldari Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.17 07:50:00 -
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Real shame that as they're starting from scratch with the engine they couldn't move over to OpenGL which would make a native linux client alot easier :)
(There are two reasons only why XP remains on my laptop - Eve and Adobe photoshop/lightroom - if Eve goes to linux then I'll get another cheep desktop for photoediting)
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.01.17 08:03:00 -
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one or either i dare say time to upgrade to vista asap
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.01.17 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Arimus Darkhart Real shame that as they're starting from scratch with the engine they couldn't move over to OpenGL which would make a native linux client alot easier :)
(There are two reasons only why XP remains on my laptop - Eve and Adobe photoshop/lightroom - if Eve goes to linux then I'll get another cheep desktop for photoediting)
I lost a laptop do to that crapy Linux and there so called support .. It seems that hackers can get in to Linux with out even trying. I like safer and the more tested software. So i will pay for better software.
and with this type of system i will not trust Linux.
Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition System Manufacturer NVIDIA OEM Processor AMD64 X2 Family 15 Model 75 Stepping 2 AuthenticAMD ~2210 Mhz Name x2 NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT OC SLI Name Realtek High Definition Audio 8.1 Memory 3.87 GB
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Drilla
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.17 08:09:00 -
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Just get Vista and a new computer - how hard is it?
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MrTriggerHappy
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.17 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana
Originally by: Arimus Darkhart Real shame that as they're starting from scratch with the engine they couldn't move over to OpenGL which would make a native linux client alot easier :)
(There are two reasons only why XP remains on my laptop - Eve and Adobe photoshop/lightroom - if Eve goes to linux then I'll get another cheep desktop for photoediting)
I lost a laptop do to that crapy Linux and there so called support .. It seems that hackers can get in to Linux with out even trying. I like safer and the more tested software. So i will pay for better software.
and with this type of system i will not trust Linux.
Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition System Manufacturer NVIDIA OEM Processor AMD64 X2 Family 15 Model 75 Stepping 2 AuthenticAMD ~2210 Mhz Name x2 NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT OC SLI Name Realtek High Definition Audio 8.1 Memory 3.87 GB
Ehhhh you do know Linux is more secure than windows right?
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ZinderX500
Caldari BLUE EAGLES O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.01.17 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana
Originally by: Arimus Darkhart Real shame that as they're starting from scratch with the engine they couldn't move over to OpenGL which would make a native linux client alot easier :)
(There are two reasons only why XP remains on my laptop - Eve and Adobe photoshop/lightroom - if Eve goes to linux then I'll get another cheep desktop for photoediting)
I lost a laptop do to that crapy Linux and there so called support .. It seems that hackers can get in to Linux with out even trying. I like safer and the more tested software. So i will pay for better software.
and with this type of system i will not trust Linux.
Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition System Manufacturer NVIDIA OEM Processor AMD64 X2 Family 15 Model 75 Stepping 2 AuthenticAMD ~2210 Mhz Name x2 NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT OC SLI Name Realtek High Definition Audio 8.1 Memory 3.87 GB
Crappy Linux ? Maybe you also tell us that there are more viruses for linux than windows ? uhuh -- |
Daelmon
Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.17 09:20:00 -
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Only a moron gets a virus on their computer. I much rather use Windows as do 95% of all the people in the world. I will be purchasing Vista and a Directx 10 video card when the new Eve client is released.
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xaix ikkul
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Posted - 2007.01.17 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: ZinderX500
Originally by: Hilabana
Originally by: Arimus Darkhart Real shame that as they're starting from scratch with the engine they couldn't move over to OpenGL which would make a native linux client alot easier :)
(There are two reasons only why XP remains on my laptop - Eve and Adobe photoshop/lightroom - if Eve goes to linux then I'll get another cheep desktop for photoediting)
I lost a laptop do to that crapy Linux and there so called support .. It seems that hackers can get in to Linux with out even trying. I like safer and the more tested software. So i will pay for better software.
and with this type of system i will not trust Linux.
Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition System Manufacturer NVIDIA OEM Processor AMD64 X2 Family 15 Model 75 Stepping 2 AuthenticAMD ~2210 Mhz Name x2 NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT OC SLI Name Realtek High Definition Audio 8.1 Memory 3.87 GB
Crappy Linux ? Maybe you also tell us that there are more viruses for linux than windows ? uhuh
if you dont understand how to spend twenty minutes locking down ports and disabling gust/anonymous user accounts in linux then you dont have the technical knowledge or exerience to be dabbling in such a complicated operating system.
it's not the software it's the user.
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Hohenheim OfLight
Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.17 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: hotgirl933 one or either i dare say time to upgrade to vista asap
No to Vista that thing is going to kill your computer, as it probs the GFX card 30 to 60 times a nano second to make sure your nto puping any thing out hte anlog whole.
Installing vista on your pc is worse than giving controle o fit to M$ becsue the whole point of vista is to give controle of your pc to MPAA and the RIAA.
Why do you think ther eis no direct x 10 for xp becuse they know there is no killer ap to force people to move to vista, so the only way to get vista on to peoples machines is to make the gaming ap of choice other wise we simple woudl not bother.
Compains will upgrade regardless cos they have no brains and home uses will prob up grade blindley to. So the only way to force peeps who are on the net and care abou the way there pc works (who tend to be gamers) is to make dx10 vista only.
I wont be moving to vista the pc is an open hardware platform not the closed hardwear platform that M4 is trying to make it to apeas hollywood, even thou they dont need to. ----------------------------------------------
Gone but not forgotten
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.17 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/01/2007 10:48:28
Originally by: xaix ikkul if you dont understand how to spend twenty minutes locking down ports and disabling gust/anonymous user accounts in linux then you dont have the technical knowledge or exerience to be dabbling in such a complicated operating system.
it's not the software it's the user.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
"Locking down ports"?
"Disabling user accounts"?
By definition, under an operating system like Linux with proper permissions, User accounts are safe, as they can only edit their own home directories. Vista is attempting to do this but will likely fail, as XP failed also.
Linux is far less "complicated" than Windows, because it has an architecture that makes sense. Windows, on the other hand, has the infamous DLL Hell and the registry, which turn an already complicated operating system into something completely and totally unmanageable.
On the topic, I hope that CCP releases a non-Vista 64-bit version of EVE. A 64-bit version is literally a recompile that takes 30-60 minutes. Nothing more. And I don't think anyone is going to be wasting a gigabyte of RAM and 10 gigabytes of hard disk space to buy an operating system that restricts what they can do with their system and is the slowest operating system in world history.
If I buy a Vista machine, I will wipe it as soon as I get it.
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Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame) |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.01.17 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: xaix ikkul
if you dont understand how to spend twenty minutes locking down ports and disabling gust/anonymous user accounts in linux then you dont have the technical knowledge or exerience to be dabbling in such a complicated operating system.
it's not the software it's the user.
Compensating much? --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune |
George Petsch
Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.17 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/01/2007 10:48:28
Originally by: xaix ikkul if you dont understand how to spend twenty minutes locking down ports and disabling gust/anonymous user accounts in linux then you dont have the technical knowledge or exerience to be dabbling in such a complicated operating system.
it's not the software it's the user.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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If I buy a Vista machine, I will wipe it as soon as I get it.
Well, master of blue robots, you are mistaken here.
Obviously you've never seen Vista perform in real world, you've never seen the principle of "least user rights" aka user account control, plus you've never run any benchmarks on any vista machine. Obviously your only source of information are some -3 modded down trolls on slashdot, because that is what your post sounds like.
I'm proactivley evaluating Windows Vista since mid december, I won't go into details here, but I can safely say: you're wrong. Please, do not spread such FUD rumors about an OS you know nothing about. Should you decide to open you mind a bit and actually learn something, I'm availible for any questions about my personal experience with Windows Vista & EVE ingame.
im in ur safespots pwning ur canz |
GouldFish
Unscoped Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.17 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm The whole point of the new engine is to re-write it from the ground up around DX10, so I wouldn't expect it will support DX9, that would be what the old/DX9 client is for.
Wether they added 64 bit support to the DX9 client when they upgrade its graphics elements with what they learn from writing the new one would probably depend on how difficult it was, if not very I'm sure they'd port that work over also.
Oh, and vista can be 32 bit or 64 bit, so presumably the DX10 client will support both (Though if you dont have a rig modern enough to be 64 bit, I'm not sure why you would need vista anyhow)
The thing is that most of intels so called 64bit processors are not, they hvae the 64bit commands but still do all the work in 32bit.
And Wow to the rest of the thread, so much rumours and crap and Vista, please go read up on vista properly.
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.01.17 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: MrTriggerHappy
Originally by: Hilabana
Originally by: Arimus Darkhart Real shame that as they're starting from scratch with the engine they couldn't move over to OpenGL which would make a native linux client alot easier :)
(There are two reasons only why XP remains on my laptop - Eve and Adobe photoshop/lightroom - if Eve goes to linux then I'll get another cheep desktop for photoediting)
I lost a laptop do to that crapy Linux and there so called support .. It seems that hackers can get in to Linux with out even trying. I like safer and the more tested software. So i will pay for better software.
and with this type of system i will not trust Linux.
Microsoft Windows XP Professional x64 Edition System Manufacturer NVIDIA OEM Processor AMD64 X2 Family 15 Model 75 Stepping 2 AuthenticAMD ~2210 Mhz Name x2 NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT OC SLI Name Realtek High Definition Audio 8.1 Memory 3.87 GB
Ehhhh you do know Linux is more secure than windows right?
Sory to brake this to you it is not! if you did read one of there head people did step down do to they can not fix a number of holes in it. http://www.linux.org/news/2006/01/26/0002.html http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/blogcategory/72/84/ http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/125183/169/ and any software that blames so many other software for having holes and bugs and still needs Antivirus and Firewalls so locked down that its not funny still has more holes then i need. thats why it is my feeling windows Vista x64 will be better for eve players and many other people. you can put a blind eye to it all you wish but when it comes to software i will pay what i need to pay for what i feel is the best and that looks like windows vista x64!
I will go with windows Vista x64 when it comes out ! I know eve will go that way ..
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Nina Mires
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.17 15:16:00 -
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tbh i can't stand vista, it's driving me round the bend.
Yeah it looks nice but my god it bloated. Oh and User Access Control is a PITA.
Back to XP or Linux.
Nina ---------
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Lyn30101
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Posted - 2007.01.17 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Daelmon Only a moron gets a virus on their computer. I much rather use Windows as do 95% of all the people in the world. I will be purchasing Vista and a Directx 10 video card when the new Eve client is released.
After having watched MS bungle every single release pretty much ever, I will drag my ass as long as I possibly can. I will only upgrade when I have absolutely no other choice.
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.01.17 15:36:00 -
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i'm in ur vista stealin ur windowz
oh noes!!1
*alien thing flinging himself forward*
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Imaldris
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Posted - 2007.01.17 15:53:00 -
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I'm going to buy a new vista gameing computer when it goes live in the next few weeks.
Will I need to download a new EVE client?
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MrTriggerHappy
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.17 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: MrTriggerHappy on 17/01/2007 16:00:47 The biggest problem with vista..
There's 4 versions http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx
The version you'll get if you buy a new PC will be either the useless "basic" or the fairly useful "Premium".
However since I need pretty much everything in the "ULTIMATE" package and I don't buy Pre made PC's i'll be expected to spend ú380 (give or take) on the Ultimate edition.
I'll be sticking with good ol' XP pro I believe!
EDIT: Also my Linux partition and to Hilbana.. M$ has a lot more security problems than you realise, however I would like to know which Distro of Linux you tried?
My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance |
Reiisha
Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.17 16:50:00 -
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I'll wait for the second generation DX10 cards and Vista SP2 before i change OS.
But for now, i wonder what DX10 games will look like - Crysis already looks freakin awesome in dx9. Let alone that UE4 is also on the way :)
EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
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probablecause
Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.17 17:49:00 -
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CCP, please compile us a XP x64 users a 64-bit native client. Some googling shows results for stackless python and AMD 64bit chips, maybe it's a simple task.
As for the person who tried getting Linux support, well, if you need support beyond googling for error messages, then Linux is not for you. You might consider a Mac, OSX gives a pretty interface and if you dig around for the terminal icon you'll find there's a fully functional POSIX compliant unix-type operating system underneath.
Cheers! __________________
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FingerThief
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.17 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Imaldris I'm going to buy a new vista gameing computer when it goes live in the next few weeks.
Will I need to download a new EVE client?
Nope ... just copy the folder over to the new computer ( burn to DVD, copy, toggle the Read-Only bit or use a USB Transfer tool like SuperLink [ works, I tried ] )
Then start the client and continue as before.
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FingerThief
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.17 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: MrTriggerHappy Edited by: MrTriggerHappy on 17/01/2007 16:00:47 However since I need pretty much everything in the "ULTIMATE" package and I don't buy Pre made PC's i'll be expected to spend ú380 (give or take) on the Ultimate edition.
For most Home users ( that do need elevated file encryption, Remote Desktop and other bells ) Windows Vista Premium Home is enough ... and the upgrade will cost you only around 160 $US ( whatever that translates to in your local currency )
I've been using Vista Ultimate since mid Dec'06 and those additional features ( apart remote desktop ) are of no use during day to day use.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.17 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/01/2007 18:42:50
Originally by: George Petsch
Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/01/2007 10:48:28
Originally by: xaix ikkul if you dont understand how to spend twenty minutes locking down ports and disabling gust/anonymous user accounts in linux then you dont have the technical knowledge or exerience to be dabbling in such a complicated operating system.
it's not the software it's the user.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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If I buy a Vista machine, I will wipe it as soon as I get it.
Well, master of blue robots, you are mistaken here.
Obviously you've never seen Vista perform in real world, you've never seen the principle of "least user rights" aka user account control, plus you've never run any benchmarks on any vista machine. Obviously your only source of information are some -3 modded down trolls on slashdot, because that is what your post sounds like.
I'm proactivley evaluating Windows Vista since mid december, I won't go into details here, but I can safely say: you're wrong. Please, do not spread such FUD rumors about an OS you know nothing about. Should you decide to open you mind a bit and actually learn something, I'm availible for any questions about my personal experience with Windows Vista & EVE ingame.
Vista won't even run on my computer because it will use my entire RAM, nearly a gigabyte, on bootup.
There are plenty of websites that describe exactly why Vista sucks. Its slow, has vast DRM restrictions, and has worse compatibility than a 1999 version of Red Hat.
I am never ever going to use an operating system that requires 100 dollars of memory just to load the OS and kernel. Ever. (Yes, this means I might consider Vista if 1 gigabyte of memory costs 10 dollars)
And if you think Microsoft is so trustworthy, here's a message from Microsoft themselves saying how slow Vista is.
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Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame) |
Reddof Nonnac
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Posted - 2007.01.17 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/01/2007 18:42:50
Originally by: George Petsch
Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/01/2007 10:48:28
Originally by: xaix ikkul if you dont understand how to spend twenty minutes locking down ports and disabling gust/anonymous user accounts in linux then you dont have the technical knowledge or exerience to be dabbling in such a complicated operating system.
it's not the software it's the user.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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If I buy a Vista machine, I will wipe it as soon as I get it.
Well, master of blue robots, you are mistaken here.
Obviously you've never seen Vista perform in real world, you've never seen the principle of "least user rights" aka user account control, plus you've never run any benchmarks on any vista machine. Obviously your only source of information are some -3 modded down trolls on slashdot, because that is what your post sounds like.
I'm proactivley evaluating Windows Vista since mid december, I won't go into details here, but I can safely say: you're wrong. Please, do not spread such FUD rumors about an OS you know nothing about. Should you decide to open you mind a bit and actually learn something, I'm availible for any questions about my personal experience with Windows Vista & EVE ingame.
Vista won't even run on my computer because it will use my entire RAM, nearly a gigabyte, on bootup.
There are plenty of websites that describe exactly why Vista sucks. Its slow, has vast DRM restrictions, and has worse compatibility than a 1999 version of Red Hat.
I am never ever going to use an operating system that requires 100 dollars of memory just to load the OS and kernel. Ever. (Yes, this means I might consider Vista if 1 gigabyte of memory costs 10 dollars)
And if you think Microsoft is so trustworthy, here's a message from Microsoft themselves saying how slow Vista is.
Are you running RTM with "stable" drivers?
Vista is much better than XP, IMO.
And this whole *****ing over DRM is not to blaim Microsoft, but the recording industry. They are they driving force behind this feature, and I am tired of people putting the blaim on M$. M$ is just accomodatnig them. It all started with the closure of Napster.
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