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ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan
Of Questionable Repute
824
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Posted - 2015.12.02 00:07:58 -
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Shooting nappy is always a good thing. Good to see Sfrim stand up for their principles in this matter. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
558
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Posted - 2015.12.02 00:41:07 -
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I am not an enemy of Greater Amarria, because Greater Amarria, properly understood, includes the Sani Sabik, who in the fullness of the coming Blood Age will reunite with the Amarr Empire and crush the Minmatar under our boots. |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Local Is Primary
83
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Posted - 2015.12.02 04:11:29 -
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Tamiroth wrote: this Nauplius guy does everything that's in his power to get all the fingers pointed at him. He sacrifices millions to either to appease his delusions of God, or to enjoy that finger pointing, or both.
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If we, the Empire loyalists, won't take care of and/or clean up our own crazies, who else would?
An artiste, painting a wonderous piece of performance art. It is about life, about will, about meaninglessness of it all without faith, and of course challenges your very preconceptions of what is right and what is wong, what is real what is heresy, what is an enduring testament of the fundamentals of what we are. This is what he does.
You on the other hand burn the books of scholars and your betters by passing ill informed judgement and chanting "heresy heresy". Judgement of which you are not entitled to nor educated for nor mentally equipped to comprehend. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1694
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Posted - 2015.12.02 06:23:21 -
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edeity wrote:An artiste, painting a wonderous piece of performance art. It is about life, about will, about meaninglessness of it all without faith, and of course challenges your very preconceptions of what is right and what is wong, what is real what is heresy, what is an enduring testament of the fundamentals of what we are. This is what he does.
An artist, (e) or no, engages the observer with his art. He evokes thought and contemplation of the work, of its meaning, of its very nature. Nauplius has never expressed any desire for others to consider his works or to contemplate their meanings or their worth. He pops up from time to time to engage in gleeful gloating and boastful claims. He offers no challenge to preconceptions. Rather, he offers sadism and hateful rhetoric that presents nothing to evoke consideration of its meaning, and certainly never speaks to any preconceptions of anything, save his own obstinate hatred of one single ethnic group.
So, no, he is not an artist. He is a shallow, meaningless child, lashing out at those he can make less powerful than himself in order to cover up his own incredibly self-evident insecurities. He is, sir, a poseur of the most venal and trite calibre, and utterly without artistic merit. Even taken as a single performance piece, he is tired, boorish, and quite frankly, boring. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1475
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:20:30 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Tamiroth wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Is that a way to prove oneself?. Probably yes. But other points are still valid. As about the "heretics" in general... If we, the Empire loyalists, won't take care of and/or clean up our own crazies, who else would? Utari Onzo wrote:
Sure, witch hunts are never nice and not always in the best interests of the faith. However when individuals openly proclaim support or sympathy for someone like Omir, someone I hasten to add is widely considered a threat to not only the Empire but all humanity, I think that one is pretty cut and dry.
Adepta Farel, Because "SFRIM]s main focus will be fighting internal threats to Greater Amarr and strengthening it from within as well as fostering good relations to it's allies", Nauplius as an openly proclaimed heretic who has conducted numerous, public acts of mass violence is, and will always, be an internal threat to Greater Amarria and RED to the Society (and by extension yourself). It is not motivated as a way to "prove" ourselves to other capsuleers, but to try to protect Greater Amarria and uphold the Faith. I really could care less if other independent capsuleers view our efforts as "proving oneself" or otherwise. Our judge is God. I do think the discussion has gotten rather far from the OP and warrants a separate thread so as not to detract from Aspirant Tamiroth's efforts in this regard, which the Society supports fully and as to which I encourage you to lend any aid or assistance that you can, even if simply logistics.
Directrix,
It was definitely not my intention to refer to the Nauplius issues or the usual Sani-Sabik supporters present on this Galnet... I think that the matter of those heresies in relation to orthodoxy are clear and simple enough.
I am a bit hurt that you think I am putting that into question here.
My apologies again to lady Tamiroth for intruding about other matters... |
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
35837
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:23:26 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:
I wonder. If you happen to realise that I'm a former Imperium member, will you try to rationalise the fact in light of my exchange with Arrendis here and die from the resulting aneurysm?
So spiteful and here I thought you are my honourable and decent ally.
Lack of proper etiquette invokes contempt. |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
634
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Posted - 2015.12.02 12:39:46 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
Adepta Farel,
Because "SFRIM]s main focus will be fighting internal threats to Greater Amarr and strengthening it from within as well as fostering good relations to it's allies", Nauplius as an openly proclaimed heretic who has conducted numerous, public acts of mass violence is, and will always, be an internal threat to Greater Amarria and RED to the Society (and by extension yourself).
It is not motivated as a way to "prove" ourselves to other capsuleers, but to try to protect Greater Amarria and uphold the Faith. I really could care less if other independent capsuleers view our efforts as "proving oneself" or otherwise. Our judge is God.
I do think the discussion has gotten rather far from the OP and warrants a separate thread so as not to detract from Aspirant Tamiroth's efforts in this regard, which the Society supports fully and as to which I encourage you to lend any aid or assistance that you can, even if simply logistics.
Directrix, It was definitely not my intention to refer to the Nauplius issues or the usual Sani-Sabik supporters present on this Galnet... I think that the matter of those heresies in relation to orthodoxy are clear and simple enough. I am a bit hurt that you think I am putting that into question here. My apologies again to lady Tamiroth for intruding about other matters...
My apologies for misconstruing your words and my relief that i have done so. It's part of the dangers of sliding into off topic discussion when other readers, as such as me, may be focused on the topic at hand. At this point, there's quite a bit that really should be in another thread. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1477
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Posted - 2015.12.02 15:01:40 -
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I am a bit of a scatterbrain, aren't I...? |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5810
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Posted - 2015.12.02 15:53:34 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:
I wonder. If you happen to realise that I'm a former Imperium member, will you try to rationalise the fact in light of my exchange with Arrendis here and die from the resulting aneurysm?
So spiteful and here I thought you are my honourable and decent ally. Lack of proper etiquette invokes contempt.
It's never been my opinion that Nieyli-haani has acted in such a manner as to bring her adopted people into disrepute. I'm proud to call her comrade and displeased, though not surprised, to see her attacked in public by those she ought to expect support from.
To make a long story short "If you don't want her, we'll keep her with pleasure."
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Ashlar Vellum
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
227
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Posted - 2015.12.02 18:34:27 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:
Lack of proper etiquette invokes contempt.
By showing contempt in such maner you show your etiquette.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:It's never been my opinion that Nieyli-haani has acted in such a manner as to bring her adopted people into disrepute. I'm proud to call her comrade and displeased, though not surprised, to see her attacked in public by those she ought to expect support from.
To make a long story short "If you don't want her, we'll keep her with pleasure."
Expecting support from people you don't know is naive at best, especially if you didn't do a thing to help those people in the first place, don't you think?
What an interesting choice of words Mr Tuulinen "if you don't want her, we'll keep her". I wouldn't have picked these exact words if I were talking about my trusted and respected brother in arms. Sounds a bit derogatory if you are speaking about a person and not a pet, but maybe that's just me. |
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Nick Bete
The Scope
Gallente Federation
380
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Posted - 2015.12.02 19:20:46 -
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Nauplius wrote:I am not an enemy of Greater Amarria, because Greater Amarria, properly understood, includes the Sani Sabik, who in the fullness of the coming Blood Age will reunite with the Amarr Empire and crush the Minmatar under our boots.
Yeah, good luck with that Nappy. Last time you tried you got your asses handed to you by the Minmatar and the Jove.
By the way, just out of curiosity, what would happen after you destroyed all the Minmatar? Who would you morons turn against next? People like you always need a new bogeyman to demonize lest you turn on each other so, I'm just wondering, who would that be? Us "decadent" Federals or your current Caldari allies? |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1790
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Posted - 2015.12.02 19:33:29 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Yeah, good luck with that Nappy. Last time you tried you got your asses handed to you by the Minmatar and the Jove.
By the way, just out of curiosity, what would happen after you destroyed all the Minmatar? Who would you morons turn against next? People like you always need a new bogeyman to demonize lest you turn on each other so, I'm just wondering, who would that be? Us "decadent" Federals or your current Caldari allies?
Is "demonizing" really the word for what Nauplius does with Matari? His version of God's basically demonic, and he's been known to try to summon demons. He does seem to have a version of what "wicked" means, but that's mostly just anything that opposes his deity.
Mostly, it seems like it's not so much that he thinks the Matari are wicked as that his god wants them to suffer. To that end, I'm not sure he even plans to wipe them out. It's, and this seems like a hard thing to say about genocide, worse than that. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5811
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Posted - 2015.12.02 19:52:57 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:
Lack of proper etiquette invokes contempt.
By showing contempt in such maner you show your etiquette. Pieter Tuulinen wrote:It's never been my opinion that Nieyli-haani has acted in such a manner as to bring her adopted people into disrepute. I'm proud to call her comrade and displeased, though not surprised, to see her attacked in public by those she ought to expect support from.
To make a long story short "If you don't want her, we'll keep her with pleasure." Expecting support from people you don't know is naive at best, especially if you didn't do a thing to help those people in the first place, don't you think? What an interesting choice of words Mr Tuulinen "if you don't want her, we'll keep her". I wouldn't have picked these exact words if I were talking about my trusted and respected brother in arms. Sounds a bit derogatory if you are speaking about a person and not a pet, but maybe that's just me.
Hmmm. And which of us do you think she feels has spoken about her in a derogatory fashion, Mr Vellum? What's naive, in my experience, is expecting certain officers in PIE to value concrete actions taken in defence of the Empire over passive lip-service to the Empire.
As for her having done nothing to help you - she's been a State Protectorate pilot for at least a year to my knowledge. Is this, suddenly, not helping the Empire?
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Ashlar Vellum
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
228
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Posted - 2015.12.02 20:47:09 -
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And by being in SPROT was she fighting side by side with 24th in the Devoid at any point ever? Perhaps we just have different definition of help if you are asking this question. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5811
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Posted - 2015.12.02 21:13:21 -
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You need to work on your bigger picture thinking, Mr Vellum. Significant Matari forces come to the Caldari/Gallente warzone - anyone fighting in an allied militia is fighting on your behalf.
It seems we do have different definitions. How sad.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Deitra Vess
Khushakor Clan
Of Questionable Repute
802
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Posted - 2015.12.02 21:18:19 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:
What an interesting choice of words Mr Tuulinen "if you don't want her, we'll keep her". I wouldn't have picked these exact words if I were talking about my trusted and respected brother in arms. Sounds a bit derogatory if you are speaking about a person and not a pet, but maybe that's just me.
What was so wrong with that statement exactly? I don't get how thats offensive or whatever to anyone aside from a child. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
558
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Posted - 2015.12.02 21:57:57 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Nick Bete wrote:Yeah, good luck with that Nappy. Last time you tried you got your asses handed to you by the Minmatar and the Jove.
By the way, just out of curiosity, what would happen after you destroyed all the Minmatar? Who would you morons turn against next? People like you always need a new bogeyman to demonize lest you turn on each other so, I'm just wondering, who would that be? Us "decadent" Federals or your current Caldari allies? Is "demonizing" really the word for what Nauplius does with Matari? His version of God's basically demonic, and he's been known to try to summon demons. He does seem to have a version of what "wicked" means, but that's mostly just anything that opposes his deity. Mostly, it seems like it's not so much that he thinks the Matari are wicked as that his god wants them to suffer. To that end, I'm not sure he even plans to wipe them out. It's, and this seems like a hard thing to say about genocide, worse than that.
On the one hand, the Minmatar are not the only people God has given over to destruction. He has also given Pleasure Hub occupants over to destruction, and he may according to his Will give other people over to destruction at the time of his choosing. Even if, however, God does not give the Gallente over to destruction, the commandment to Reclaim remains in effect, and so it would be licit for the Empire to wage a large scale war of enslavement and conquest against the Gallente even without a particular revelation from God giving that people over to destruction. I hope this war comes soon.
On the other hand, the Minmatar do occupy a special place in God's creation as the outlet for God's cruelty and punishment and wrath, as well as the divinely instituted source of labor and sacrifice for the Chosen, and so their potential extinction does pose something of a theological dilemma. I have two possible answers. One: I have mentioned before that I hold to a cyclical view of history which passes through a Blood Age, a Earth Age, a Dark Age, a Golden Age, and then back again. It may be that Minmatar, as such, are destroyed and then "recreated" at points along the cycle. Two: it may be the case that the destruction of the Minmatar that breaks the cycle and brings about a really final End of Days in which God sends the Ark for his Chosen and destroys the rest. |
Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
81
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Posted - 2015.12.02 22:01:46 -
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Nauplius wrote:
Tinfoilery nonsense
And now the crazy talk really begins to show itself!
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2015.12.02 22:11:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Two: it may be the case that the destruction of the Minmatar that breaks the cycle and brings about a really final End of Days in which God sends the Ark for his Chosen and destroys the rest.
Alternately, it says right here in this totally authentic tome of scripture that predates the closing of the EVE Gate that God specifically creates people whose named begin with 'Na' to be extra-salty and delusional, because he especially loves their tears.
Unfortunately, that book also contains scriptural instructions that require it never be shown to those people, so I'll just stop into Amarr some time soon and let Alizabeth Vea confirm its existence. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
558
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Posted - 2015.12.02 22:36:51 -
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Maria Daphiti wrote:Nauplius wrote:
Tinfoilery nonsense
And now the crazy talk really begins to show itself!
Could you please specify, madam, which parts you find crazy?
P. S. I see that you have abandoned that sinful outfit you were wearing. Good choice.
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Kellie Dusette
Isogen 5
11277
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Posted - 2015.12.02 22:43:25 -
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Kellie like for you coat very many much, Mista Nauplioos.
Look for stylish, many formal and this one 'dapper'.
Still need for to work on this smile more though...
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
558
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Posted - 2015.12.02 22:54:11 -
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Kellie Dusette wrote:Kellie like for you coat very many much, Mista Nauplioos.
Look for stylish, many formal and this one 'dapper'.
Still need for to work on this smile more though...
Thank you, madam. |
Ashlar Vellum
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
228
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Posted - 2015.12.02 23:10:39 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:You need to work on your bigger picture thinking, Mr Vellum. Significant Matari forces come to the Caldari/Gallente warzone - anyone fighting in an allied militia is fighting on your behalf.
It seems we do have different definitions. How sad.
Being in militia makes you a privateer nothing more. By your definition Nauplius is fighting on your behalf Mr Tuulinen, am I right.
It's clear our definitions do differ quite drastically, we can agree on that I suppose. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
5811
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Posted - 2015.12.03 00:44:48 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:You need to work on your bigger picture thinking, Mr Vellum. Significant Matari forces come to the Caldari/Gallente warzone - anyone fighting in an allied militia is fighting on your behalf.
It seems we do have different definitions. How sad. Being in militia makes you a privateer nothing more. By your definition Nauplius is fighting on your behalf Mr Tuulinen, am I right. It's clear our definitions do differ quite drastically, we can agree on that I suppose.
Unsurprisingly you fail to grasp the difference between fighting on your behalf and being on your side. When Nauplius kills FDU pilots he is achieving the tactical goals of the State Protectorate, even if he is the worst kind of liquid filth.
Now tell me, Vellum, what has the pilot we're talking about done to place herself on the same footing as Nauplius? That was my earlier question and you've yet to tell me anything substantive.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
179
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Posted - 2015.12.03 09:19:41 -
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Nauplius wrote:The people of the Bleak Lands and Devoid groan under the sins of drunkenness and fornication
(...)
The blood of the Janitors shall cleanse your soul of sin and make you worthy of standing before a holy and righteous God. It's disgusting, and yet laughable at the same time! Poor soul, you are truly mad and beyond any kind of salvation.
Well, perhaps except the one by holy laser fire!
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Tyrel Toov
Delusions of Granduer
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
665
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Posted - 2015.12.03 17:06:53 -
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Tamiroth wrote:Nauplius wrote:The people of the Bleak Lands and Devoid groan under the sins of drunkenness and fornication
(...)
The blood of the Janitors shall cleanse your soul of sin and make you worthy of standing before a holy and righteous God. It's disgusting, and yet laughable at the same time! Poor soul, you are truly mad and beyond any kind of salvation. Well, perhaps except the one by holy laser fire!
I doubt that the entire Amarrian fleet has enough lasers among them to illicit enough retribution to matter.
Also, am I the only one who imagined a bunch of blood cells wearing coveralls, and using mops and buckets when he said that?
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Sani-Sabik
1115
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Posted - 2015.12.03 21:19:23 -
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Rumour has it, that if you want to bait Nauplius into action, you should consider abducting a Certain Khanid Journalist, and using her as bait.
But that's just a rumour.
Rumour.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Anyanka Funk
Hematology Advancement Program
Sani-Sabik
337
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Posted - 2015.12.03 22:38:56 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Rumour has it, that if you want to bait Nauplius into action, you should consider abducting a Certain Khanid Journalist, and using her as bait.
But that's just a rumour.
Rumour.
Serious. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
559
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Posted - 2015.12.03 23:09:17 -
[119] - Quote
Quiet, both of you. |
Alizabeth Vea
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
647
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Posted - 2015.12.03 23:12:34 -
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Arrendis wrote:Nauplius wrote:Two: it may be the case that the destruction of the Minmatar that breaks the cycle and brings about a really final End of Days in which God sends the Ark for his Chosen and destroys the rest. Alternately, it says right here in this totally authentic tome of scripture that predates the closing of the EVE Gate that God specifically creates people whose named begin with 'Na' to be extra-salty and delusional, because he especially loves their tears. Unfortunately, that book also contains scriptural instructions that require it never be shown to those people, so I'll just stop into Amarr some time soon and let Alizabeth Vea confirm its existence.
Drinks will be on me.
Forged in the fires of the forth Delve war, I've been to hell, and I'm back for more, so cap the gas and push back the door, turn fuel to fire, let the monster roar.
Retainer of House Sarum
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