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Tamiroth Amarr Empire 133	Posted - 2015.11.09 19:48:21 - [1] - Quote I am Tamiroth Alet Azaph of Danera V, daughter of Ynir Azaph, late captain of the Gardens of the Faithful, knighted by His Majesty for bravery against the blooder scum. My father placed a great duty upon me; he left me a name and a small estate of 1096 people, most of which were souls that required guidance. I did not allow myself to become a living weapon of the Empire and retired for a life of lesser servitude to God. But times have changed. I merely hoped to witness the Succession Trials and the Coronation, and so I went to Amarr and paid an exorbitant sum in ISK to reactivate my pilot license. But then I saw what I saw and read what I read, and I was left speechless. There is a certain demented Royal Navy veteran that was once a commoner, and he claims that his homeworld is the same as mine; his age gives no doubt. He was either among those who were knighted after the same campaign as my father (giving access to the money needed to sponsor the capsuleer training), or maybe even he served with my father. Now, he set himself up as a macabre capsuleer celebrity of sorts, committing one gruesome act of murder, heresy and blasphemy after another. His very existence fouls everything my father lived and died for. NAUPLIUS! I will not rest until I either kill you or assist in killing you. If any pro-Amarr parties interested in killing Nauplius are also interested in having extra tackle and/or DPS (I'm not a spy, I promise, one kill and i'm out), I can fly things like Purifier, Anathema or Oracle (If more of his towers of unspeakable horrors come up) and i'm a week away from a T2 fit Confessor. I'll also pay 10 million ISK for any party that allows me an assist on Nauplius' pod, per pilot on the mail (up to 10th pilot). Thank you. Just, you know... for greater justice and all that. Because sometimes, being a human means retribution.
Daemun Khanid Sanctus Imperialis 184	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:10:44 - [2] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: I am Tamiroth Alet Azaph of Danera V, daughter of Ynir Azaph, late captain of the Gardens of the Faithful, knighted by His Majesty for bravery against the blooder scum. My father placed a great duty upon me; he left me a name and a small estate of 1096 people, most of which were souls that required guidance. I did not allow myself to become a living weapon of the Empire and retired for a life of lesser servitude to God. But times have changed. I merely hoped to witness the Succession Trials and the Coronation, and so I went to Amarr and paid an exorbitant sum in ISK to reactivate my pilot license. But then I saw what I saw and read what I read, and I was left speechless. There is a certain demented Royal Navy veteran that was once a commoner, and he claims that his homeworld is the same as mine; his age gives no doubt. He was either among those who were knighted after the same campaign as my father (giving access to the money needed to sponsor the capsuleer training), or maybe even he served with my father. Now, he set himself up as a macabre capsuleer celebrity of sorts, committing one gruesome act of murder, heresy and blasphemy after another. His very existence fouls everything my father lived and died for. NAUPLIUS! I will not rest until I either kill you or assist in killing you. If any pro-Amarr parties interested in killing Nauplius are also interested in having extra tackle and/or DPS (I'm not a spy, I promise, one kill and i'm out), I can fly things like Purifier, Anathema or Oracle (If more of his towers of unspeakable horrors come up) and i'm a week away from a T2 fit Confessor. I'll also pay 10 million ISK for any party that allows me an assist on Nauplius' pod, per pilot on the mail (up to 10th pilot). Thank you. Just, you know... for greater justice and all that. Because sometimes, being a human means retribution. In all honesty I believe the best way to combat Nappy is to just ignore him. As a capsuleer you can never "kill" him, you'll never hurt him financially and he just feeds off attention. Ultimately he's just one man. If you want to shoot him, get in a ship and go do it. Daemun of Khanid
Tamiroth Amarr Empire 133	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:17:15 - [3] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: If you want to shoot him, get in a ship and go do it. nods
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 320	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:25:43 - [4] - Quote I'll help you kill him.
Deitra Vess Khushakor Clan Matari Safari 735	Posted - 2015.11.09 20:30:58 - [5] - Quote That'll end well.... Good luck in doing what many have tried (with mixed results) before you. Never know, it might be worth it.
Yarosara Ruil Caldari State 59	Posted - 2015.11.09 21:49:17 - [6] - Quote I applaud your efforts. Do not rest until that beast pays for his crimes.
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Interstellar Survey and Security 689	Posted - 2015.11.10 01:01:37 - [7] - Quote Lady Tamiroth, I and my associates here in Khanid are well aware of this individual. We remember the days when his humble trading corporation would come to us for assistance against local pirates. I know not what caused his decent into madness. But please know that you are not alone in your quest for justice against this individual. Please feel free to send me a private message that we may better organize a hunt to remove this heretic from the stars for all time. May God keep you safe. Khanid Victor Amarr Victor! Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Omega Jovakko Mighty 8th Industries 7	Posted - 2015.11.10 01:06:04 - [8] - Quote Stay safe in your adventures I sure could use a drink.
Deitra Vess Khushakor Clan Matari Safari 740	Posted - 2015.11.10 01:09:16 - [9] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Lady Tamiroth, I and my associates here in Khanid are well aware of this individual. We remember the days when his humble trading corporation would come to us for assistance against local pirates. I know not what caused his decent into madness. But please know that you are not alone in your quest for justice against this individual. Please feel free to send me a private message that we may better organize a hunt to remove this heretic from the stars for all time. May God keep you safe. Khanid Victor Amarr Victor! Majority of the capsuleers here, myself included want his head on a platter. That's one thing I'm pretty sure everyone who is sane can agree on.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 550	Posted - 2015.11.10 12:39:22 - [10] - Quote Someday, I shall bless the Devoid Region or some other Region with another Temple to the Red God. And on that great and terrible day, madam, you shall have to chose whether to stand with the Red God or with the slave lovers and Molok worshippers like PIE and SFRIM. But until that day comes, be not so hasty to damn yourself to the lowest Hell by standing against the Red God. For you know what slavery is like on our mutual homeworld, a land with no wining Speakers of Truth to campaign for Slave's Rights and no liberal Theology Council to encumber slaveowning with ever more health and safety regulations. No, slavery on our homeworld is cruel; brutal. A place where old and used up slaves are dumped somewhere without food and water to die. Where some slaves' backs are nothing more than giant scars from all the whippings. I have merely taking the next logical steps and killed a few more slaves than most people. You can, too. Glorify God; take the next step in your spiritual development and glorify God 1096 times over. Amen. Amarr Victor.

Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 321	Posted - 2015.11.10 13:07:55 - [11] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Someday, I shall bless the Devoid Region or some other Region with another Temple to the Red God. And on that great and terrible day, madam, you shall have to chose whether to stand with the Red God or with the slave lovers and Molok worshippers like PIE and SFRIM. But until that day comes, be not so hasty to damn yourself to the lowest Hell by standing against the Red God. For you know what slavery is like on our mutual homeworld, a land with no wining Speakers of Truth to campaign for Slave's Rights and no liberal Theology Council to encumber slaveowning with ever more health and safety regulations. No, slavery on our homeworld is cruel; brutal. A place where old and used up slaves are dumped somewhere without food and water to die. Where some slaves' backs are nothing more than giant scars from all the whippings. I have merely taking the next logical steps and killed a few more slaves than most people. You can, too. Glorify God; take the next step in your spiritual development and glorify God 1096 times over. Amen. Amarr Victor. Boring.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2196	Posted - 2015.11.10 13:31:06 - [12] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Majority of the capsuleers here, myself included want his head on a platter. That's one thing I'm pretty sure everyone who is sane can agree on. Unlike certain savage elements I prefer simply killing people, without having their separated parts put on display. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Tamiroth Amarr Empire 137	Posted - 2015.11.10 14:35:20 - [13] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: I'll help you kill him. I won't fly with a known Blood Raider. But if, by pure accident, we end up on the same killmail of a common enemy, I won't biomass myself over that either. Sinjin Mokk wrote: Lady Tamiroth, I and my associates here in Khanid are well aware of this individual. We remember the days when his humble trading corporation would come to us for assistance against local pirates. I know not what caused his decent into madness. But please know that you are not alone in your quest for justice against this individual. Please feel free to send me a private message that we may better organize a hunt to remove this heretic from the stars for all time. May God keep you safe. Khanid Victor Amarr Victor! Thank you, Lord Mokk. I will. Nauplius wrote: Someday, I shall bless the Devoid Region or some other Region with another Temple to the Red God. And on that great and terrible day, madam, you shall have to chose whether to stand with the Red God or with the slave lovers and Molok worshippers like PIE and SFRIM. But until that day comes, be not so hasty to damn yourself to the lowest Hell by standing against the Red God. For you know what slavery is like on our mutual homeworld, a land with no wining Speakers of Truth to campaign for Slave's Rights and no liberal Theology Council to encumber slaveowning with ever more health and safety regulations. No, slavery on our homeworld is cruel; brutal. A place where old and used up slaves are dumped somewhere without food and water to die. Where some slaves' backs are nothing more than giant scars from all the whippings. I have merely taking the next logical steps and killed a few more slaves than most people. You can, too. Glorify God; take the next step in your spiritual development and glorify God 1096 times over. Amen. Amarr Victor. I'll glorify God in your destruction. We'll soon meet.
Anabella Rella Gradient 2067	Posted - 2015.11.10 16:43:26 - [14] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Someday, I shall bless the Devoid Region or some other Region with another Temple to the Red God... Promise? Can you build one in Heimatar, Metropolis or Molden Heath please? I'm not exactly welcome in Amarrian or Khanid space but I'd love to get in on kicking down your next little sand castle! When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Quattras Peione Vagrant Skies A Band Apart. 173	Posted - 2015.11.12 02:12:18 - [15] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Look at me! See how edgy I can be? I had something for this..... Yawn, I guess. Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 112	Posted - 2015.11.12 23:00:25 - [16] - Quote I wish you good luck, Lady Azaph! Have you considered challenging him to trial by combat? (( If you are a roleplayer, or want to learn about roleplay, please join "*Out of Character" and "Intergalactic Summit*" channels in game, Lets show CCP that there are many roleplayers still here, and we want more Live Events!! ))
Tamiroth Amarr Empire 140	Posted - 2015.11.13 12:21:16 - [17] - Quote Luna Hanaya wrote: I wish you good luck, Lady Azaph! Have you considered challenging him to trial by combat? Thank you! Indeed, I'll try to approach and duel him first, and if that fails for one reason or another, I'll register my house as capsuleer "corporation" with CONCORD and wardec him. Nauplius seems to be better trained combat pilot than me. One of his last victories is over lord Gaven Lok'ri of PIE, no less. So I fully expect to lose the duel - if I manage to catch him and he accepts the challenge in the first place. That my and Nauplius' circadian cycles apparently wildly differ, doesn't help. So far I haven't even seen him in pod, though he managed to destroy lord Lok'ri's frigate in the war zone yesterday and I took part in the (ultimately failed) defence of Raa on Tuesday. Perhaps, the weekend will be more fruitful.
Aldrith Shutaq PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1194	Posted - 2015.11.13 23:20:30 - [18] - Quote The Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris as been at war with him for some years now. We encounter him a few times a month, depending on how daring he is while we are around. You are always welcome to help.
Vincent Pryce Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 277	Posted - 2015.11.13 23:23:59 - [19] - Quote I'll be following your efforts with great interest, Tamiroth Alet Azaph of Danera V. Good luck. Yours truly, Vincent Pryce Domination Seraphim "From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves." -Vincent Pryce, Archangel of Asakai
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 551	Posted - 2015.11.14 01:10:50 - [20] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Luna Hanaya wrote: I wish you good luck, Lady Azaph! Have you considered challenging him to trial by combat? Thank you! Indeed, I'll try to approach and duel him first, and if that fails for one reason or another, I'll register my house as capsuleer "corporation" with CONCORD and wardec him. I will accept your challenge, if offered, make any war declaration mutual, if offered, and in the wreckage of your ships you will know the power of the Red God.

Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1781	Posted - 2015.11.14 03:29:32 - [21] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Tamiroth wrote: Luna Hanaya wrote: I wish you good luck, Lady Azaph! Have you considered challenging him to trial by combat? Thank you! Indeed, I'll try to approach and duel him first, and if that fails for one reason or another, I'll register my house as capsuleer "corporation" with CONCORD and wardec him. I will accept your challenge, if offered, make any war declaration mutual, if offered, and in the wreckage of your ships you will know the power of the Red God. "Also: Bwahahahaha." ... good hunting, Lady Azaph. Respectfully, and with all good wishes, it's probably wise of you not to expect this to go well at first. By all accounts he's a capable pilot. It's in other ways that he's a sad, lonely person. Also, yeah, horrible as it is to say of someone who kills so many people-- boring. Anyhow, if you're persistent, it sounds like most of the cluster will be cheering you on.
Tamiroth Amarr Empire 140	Posted - 2015.11.14 17:20:54 - [22] - Quote Nauplius wrote: I will accept your challenge, if offered, make any war declaration mutual, if offered, and in the wreckage of your ships you will know the power of the Red God. The only things that I'll know in the wreckage of a few frigates and destroyers is lack of piloting skills and combat experience, heretic. But those are things that one gains over time, and, sooner or later, it'll be you who sees the cleansing light of God shining right through your wretched tritanium coffin. Mehatoor, T1 frigates, any date and time of your choice except 06:00-17:00 standard New Eden time. Please message me your chosen time at least a day in advance. Or - as soon as we both occur in space at the same time, which looks unlikely - i'll find you myself.
Tamiroth Amarr Empire 141	Posted - 2015.11.15 01:31:17 - [23] - Quote Update: Duel with Nauplius proceeded as expected. It seems that he flies breachers now. I wonder how it is possible for him to foul himself by plugging his pod into a rusty hulk made by a lesser race of slaves that is, supposedly, given over to destruction?... I'd like to thank our Caldari allies for their ECM drones technology. Because I had two ECM Hornets, I almost won. Never the less, moving on to phase two.
Neph Operation Meatshield Plexodus 198	Posted - 2015.11.15 04:14:21 - [24] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Update: Duel with Nauplius proceeded as expected. It seems that he flies breachers now. I wonder how it is possible for him to foul himself by plugging his pod into a rusty hulk made by a lesser race of slaves that is, supposedly, given over to destruction?... I'd like to thank our Caldari allies for their ECM drones technology. Because I had two ECM Hornets, I almost won. Never the less, moving on to phase two. While I admire the sentiment, this is foolish. What do you hope to accomplish? Our peoples have stared extinction in the eye; but we have spat in that eye and stood to fight with valor and undying loyalty to our culture and our kin. Our struggle is as one, so let us struggle together.
Anabella Rella Gradient 2069	Posted - 2015.11.15 07:44:05 - [25] - Quote Probably the same thing that she hoped to accomplish the time she flew from Amarr to Pator to challenge me to a duel. Although she lost a ship she gained my admiration and respect for her integrity and willingness to back up her words with deeds, something that's becoming uncommon among most pilots these days. While Tamiroth sadly can't end Naup's sad little existence permanently at least she's shown the courage to fight the good fight and actually live her convictions. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1451	Posted - 2015.11.15 11:14:52 - [26] - Quote Backing up opinions and debates with space combat is so silly and absurd that it makes absolutely zero sense, and continues to confuse me a great deal, I have to admit. It solves absolutely nothing, and has nothing to do with each other to begin with that I am always wondering what propelled pod pilots to suddenly consider that winning or losing a combat duel somehow makes someone's point true or false... Maybe does it stem from that old Amarr tradition of judicial duelling, twisted in some kind of capsuleer fashion and applied to more or less everything?
Tamiroth Amarr Empire 146	Posted - 2015.11.15 11:23:23 - [27] - Quote Neph wrote: While I admire the sentiment, this is foolish. What do you hope to accomplish? Even if I manage to slightly impede his murderous activities by buzzing around in cheap ships, being a general nuisance and make him think twice before he undocks, in what ship he undocks and what values are in his cargo, isn't that already a success?
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1451	Posted - 2015.11.15 11:26:38 - [28] - Quote Some might say, an itty bitty success counterbalanced by the amount of attention and publicity he gets in return.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 551	Posted - 2015.11.15 15:22:28 - [29] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: P.S. Even a racist pig like Naups can appreciate using the proper tool for the job by flying Minmatar ships. He apparently places practical considerations, like winning the fight, ahead of his rhetoric. My use of a Minmatar ship should not be interpreted as, "flying a Minmatar ship increases chance of victory", but rather, "the Red God is so powerful that he can give victory even to someone flying a Minmatar ship". Amen. Amarr Victor.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 324	Posted - 2015.11.15 15:27:04 - [30] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Anabella Rella wrote: P.S. Even a racist pig like Naups can appreciate using the proper tool for the job by flying Minmatar ships. He apparently places practical considerations, like winning the fight, ahead of his rhetoric. My use of a Minmatar ship should not be interpreted as, "flying a Minmatar ship increases chance of victory", but rather, "the Red God is so powerful that he can give victory even to someone flying a Minmatar ship". Amen. Amarr Victor. I agree with this statement.

Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1784	Posted - 2015.11.15 17:01:53 - [31] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: Some might say, an itty bitty success counterbalanced by the amount of attention and publicity he gets in return. Others might argue that giving him something to occupy his time is in everybody's interests, suuolo. If he doesn't get attention, he'll just find ways to create it. It's not a good sort of thing to be on the receiving end of.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1453	Posted - 2015.11.15 17:15:40 - [32] - Quote I suppose both views are perfectly valid in themselves. Be damned either way, I guess..
Anabella Rella Gradient 2070	Posted - 2015.11.15 18:54:34 - [33] - Quote Nauplius wrote: My use of a Minmatar ship should not be interpreted as, "flying a Minmatar ship increases chance of victory", but rather, "the Red God is so powerful that he can give victory even to someone flying a Minmatar ship". Amen. Amarr Victor. Sorry Naups but I'm calling bullshit on this. If your god is so awesome that it doesn't matter what you fly then why sully yourself by flying anything other than golden Amarrian hulls? Just go ahead and swallow your pride and admit that certain Matari ships are best in class and that's why you use them. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Tamiroth 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 147	Posted - 2015.11.20 13:17:08 - [34] - Quote Well.. I had a talk with some nice people and decided to trade the ability to freely engage Nauplius in high security areas for some valuable intelligence and even more valuable allies. So... Alas, heretic, no wardec for you. For now, at least.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 170	Posted - 2015.11.29 23:22:58 - [35] - Quote Update: This time the heretic flew a punisher fit with pulse lasers and some foul energy-draining device. It was a worthy fight. It saddens me to see that the Royal Navy lost such an expert veteran pilot in Nauplius. But, apparently, piloting skills do not protect one from the abyss of insanity. Repent, Nauplius. Denounce your ridiculous heresy and surrender yourself and all slaves in your possession to the Theology Council and Ministry of Internal Order, before your soul decays further and you turn into another mindless killer drone like Funk and her ilk.
Deitra Vess Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute 796	Posted - 2015.11.29 23:43:19 - [36] - Quote So wait, did you kill the blooder or....? Congrats if you did, he kinda' deserves it....
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1790	Posted - 2015.11.30 02:08:31 - [37] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: So wait, did you kill the blooder or....? Congrats if you did, he kinda' deserves it.... It'll probably be obvious if she wins a round, so ... yeah. Probably not this time.
Deitra Vess Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute 796	Posted - 2015.11.30 02:14:47 - [38] - Quote True, I just didn't have a chance to look up battle reports and such.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 877	Posted - 2015.11.30 03:52:19 - [39] - Quote I can confirm that Tamiroth lost her Tormentor to Nauplius' Punisher in Mehatoor on November 29, 2015. I advise against dual-tanking a Tormentor and to either invest entirely into dual-rep armour tank with capacitor booster support or to 400mm armour plates with resistance plates, if PG and CPU allows. Please advise if you had sent out two light drones to supplement damage. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Deitra Vess Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute 796	Posted - 2015.11.30 05:16:51 - [40] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Anabella Rella wrote: P.S. Even a racist pig like Naups can appreciate using the proper tool for the job by flying Minmatar ships. He apparently places practical considerations, like winning the fight, ahead of his rhetoric. My use of a Minmatar ship should not be interpreted as, "flying a Minmatar ship increases chance of victory", but rather, "the Red God is so powerful that he can give victory even to someone flying a Minmatar ship". Amen. Amarr Victor. Wanna buy a Slasher off me Nauplius? I promise all the systems will kinda' work in it...... May not be a breacher, but maybe you'd like to branch out into other low end matari designed ships?

Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 170	Posted - 2015.11.30 07:52:08 - [41] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: I can confirm that Tamiroth lost her Tormentor to Nauplius' Punisher in Mehatoor on November 29. I advise against dual-tanking a Tormentor and to either invest entirely into dual-rep armour tank with capacitor booster support or to 400mm armour plates with resistance plates, if PG and CPU allows. Please advise if you had sent out two light drones to supplement damage. Yes, I agree that the fit was sort of silly. I swapped a point and amor buffer to a shield booster on a whim in the last minute, because Nauplius dual tanks his Breachers (see his recent loss) and flies with an afterburner. And if he runs from our fight it essentially means that I won. Because this is not a fleet fight, but a battle of attrition, a 400mm buffer is next to useless. Look at the amount of damage it took to destroy my Tormentor. In the end, I lost not because it was dual tanked, but because it ran out of capacitor (with Nauplius' help, of course.) Both drones were out, and so they are not listed among the lost items.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 878	Posted - 2015.11.30 08:13:40 - [42] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: I can confirm that Tamiroth lost her Tormentor to Nauplius' Punisher in Mehatoor on November 29. I advise against dual-tanking a Tormentor and to either invest entirely into dual-rep armour tank with capacitor booster support or to 400mm armour plates with resistance plates, if PG and CPU allows. Please advise if you had sent out two light drones to supplement damage. Yes, I agree that the fit was sort of silly. I swapped a point and amor buffer to a shield booster on a whim in the last minute, because Nauplius dual tanks his Breachers (see his recent loss) and flies with an afterburner. And if he runs from our fight it essentially means that I won. Because this is not a fleet fight, but a battle of attrition, a 400mm buffer is next to useless. Look at the amount of damage it took to destroy my Tormentor. In the end, I lost not because it was dual tanked, but because it ran out of capacitor (with Nauplius' help, of course.) Both drones were out, and so they are not listed among the lost items. How about the capacitor-boosted dual armour reppers? Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 170	Posted - 2015.11.30 08:32:38 - [43] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: How about the capacitor-boosted dual armour reppers? Oh well. I was trying not to give Naups ideas about what I might be flying next time! :P Yes, either that, or some sort of kiter that'll stay out of scram and neut range, or I might invent something totally ridiculous, like a Crucifier made into a neuting droneboat. He experiments on slaves, and I'll experiment on him!
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 878	Posted - 2015.11.30 09:04:01 - [44] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: How about the capacitor-boosted dual armour reppers? Oh well. I was trying not to give Naups ideas about what I might be flying next time! :P Yes, either that, or some sort of kiter that'll stay out of scram and neut range, or I might invent something totally ridiculous, like a Crucifier made into a neuting droneboat. He experiments on slaves, and I'll experiment on him! Have fun and keep us posted. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 557	Posted - 2015.11.30 12:43:26 - [45] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Repent, Nauplius. Denounce your ridiculous heresy and surrender yourself and all slaves in your possession to the Theology Council and Ministry of Internal Order, before your soul decays further and you turn into another mindless killer drone like Funk and her ilk. What you have seen thus far is only the slightest morsel of the power of the Red God. You have already damned yourself to Hell by joining the wicked, vile SFRIM corporation and by doing battle against this messenger of the Red God. With each taunt, you damn yourself further and further into Hell, and with enough sins, you will damn yourself to the lowest layer of Hell along with Samira Kernher and her consort Molok the Deceiver.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1682	Posted - 2015.11.30 15:26:26 - [46] - Quote Nauplius wrote: With each taunt, you damn yourself further and further into Hell, and with enough sins, you will damn yourself to the lowest layer of Hell along with Samira Kernher and her consort Molok the Deceiver. And once there, you will be forced to endure THE PARTY TO END ALL PARTIES! Seriously, all the cool kids will be there, and I know I've got a Nomad-load of booze set aside for the after-party party. How can you resist temptation like this? Mock Naups for your wrist-band today!
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 175	Posted - 2015.11.30 23:23:44 - [47] - Quote Nauplius wrote: You have already damned yourself to Hell by joining the wicked, vile SFRIM corporation and by doing battle against this messenger of the Red God. Looks like I'm moving in the right direction! Nauplius wrote: With each taunt, you damn yourself further and further into Hell, and with enough sins, you will damn yourself to the lowest layer of Hell along with Samira Kernher and her consort Molok the Deceiver. Guess what: Samira Kernher is a god-fearing, loyal servant of the Empire, crusader and champion, protector of the faithful. It is easy to embrace and keep the faith if one is born and raised into it. It is much harder to do under other circumstances. It is through her, and countless others like her, God shows us that His Truth transcends mortal flesh of whatever race, that it's about the soul. Samira found the true path, while you, Nauplius, lost what you were born into, and so - in a general sense of the word - she's twice more Amarr than you. Oh, and Molok the Deceiver... he seems to like your new haircut, so I'll leave you two together. Have fun! Arrendis wrote: Mock Naups for your wrist-band today! There. One please.
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk 83	Posted - 2015.12.01 11:09:53 - [48] - Quote My goodness. Calm Down. Nauplius is a man of resolve and commitment, We need more like him in these times. Why all this bother looking for enemies within when clearly there are so many others not just at the gates but wandering around inside the manor? Should you feel the need to fight poor noble Nauplius, a brave soul merely bound and inspired by his faith, I stand by him.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2583	Posted - 2015.12.01 11:18:17 - [49] - Quote Blood raiders and Sani Sabik are enemies of Amarr and always have been. Nauplius has killed more Amarrian faithful than any TLF pilot through his blood sacrifices. But, of course, caring for the faith and the faithful is incomprehensible to heretics like you. For whosoever shall lay his life down for his Lord He shall be taken into the arms of God And forever consecrated will he be. -Amarr-Askura 2:3
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk 83	Posted - 2015.12.01 11:21:55 - [50] - Quote You take great liberties above your station with such accusations. Whilst not compliant with the Theology Council my beliefs and faith and practices remain entirely valid under the Khanid Mandate. The one committing treason and putting their interpretation of faith above the Throne here is you. Your ardent belief that everyone else is a sinner does not make your grave sin less.

Arkoth 24 Phayder Recruit Training Center 34	Posted - 2015.12.01 11:24:16 - [51] - Quote edeity wrote: Why all this bother looking for enemies within when clearly there are so many others not just at the gates but wandering around inside the manor? These enemies are not so annoying.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2583	Posted - 2015.12.01 11:30:26 - [52] - Quote There was a time when the Kingdom hunted down blooders and sanists. Our recent alliance is due to the capture of the Red Chamberlain by the Royal Khanid Navy and his delivery to Imperial courts for execution. If the Kingdom is no longer opposing heresy then I have to wonder why we're still maintaining this charade of "friendship". And nowhere is blood sacrifice of innocent faithful a tolerable practice. Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel of the Ministry of Internal Order said as much after the Arzad massacre. As for my station, I don't care for the prattling of Khanid loyalists, especially Sanist ones. Your treacherous kingdom was declared heretical for hundreds of years before Her Imperial Majesty's mercy, don't expect to be welcomed with open arms. For whosoever shall lay his life down for his Lord He shall be taken into the arms of God And forever consecrated will he be. -Amarr-Askura 2:3
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 822	Posted - 2015.12.01 12:19:40 - [53] - Quote While I do not go so far as to denounce the Kingdom, I do denounce Nauplius. He is a proven heretic who hides behind the very thin veil of loyalty to the Empire. He spits on the faithful with his regular sacrifices to the "Red God", and deserves nothing but the greatest of contempt. God will deliver judgement unto him on his last day, just as the faithful deliver retribution upon his ships and towers on an almost daily basis. Ediety, while you might step a little more carefully then Nauplius, it is still the height of shame for you to sing the praises of an obvious Sabik like Nauplius. And to claim to admire Omir? I cannot see how the Kingdom would celebrate such comments, so continue to tread carefully but know the true faithful can see through your smoke and mirrors. Even, perhaps most especially, the Order of St Tetrimon would be sickened to see such behaviour. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Alizabeth Vea Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 643	Posted - 2015.12.01 12:36:23 - [54] - Quote I can see that people do not recognize agitprop. Of course edeity's Sani Sabik. Just denounce him and move on. Like this: "I didn't read a single word in that post because you're a Sanist. Deal with it." Forged in the fires of the forth Delve war, I've been to hell, and I'm back for more, so cap the gas and push back the door, turn fuel to fire, let the monster roar. Retainer of House Sarum
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 558	Posted - 2015.12.01 12:51:20 - [55] - Quote edeity wrote: My goodness. Calm Down. Nauplius is a man of resolve and commitment, We need more like him in these times. Why all this bother looking for enemies within when clearly there are so many others not just at the gates but wandering around inside the manor? Should you feel the need to fight poor noble Nauplius, a brave soul merely bound and inspired by his faith, I stand by him. Thank you for your support, sir.
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 226	Posted - 2015.12.01 13:05:04 - [56] - Quote edeity wrote: My goodness. Calm Down. Nauplius is a man of resolve and commitment, We need more like him in these times. He is indeed a creature of resolve and commitment, but why anyone need more of him is beyond me. Are you selling him POS modules by any chance, 'cause that will explain a lot.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 337	Posted - 2015.12.01 13:33:27 - [57] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: I can see that people do not recognize agitprop. Of course edeity's Sani Sabik. Just denounce him and move on. Like this: "I didn't read a single word in that post because you're a Sanist. Deal with it." Incarcerate him!
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35812	Posted - 2015.12.01 14:32:17 - [58] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: There was a time when the Kingdom hunted down blooders and sanists. Our recent alliance is due to the capture of the Red Chamberlain by the Royal Khanid Navy and his delivery to Imperial courts for execution. If the Kingdom is no longer opposing heresy then I have to wonder why we're still maintaining this charade of "friendship". And nowhere is blood sacrifice of innocent faithful a tolerable practice. Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel of the Ministry of Internal Order said as much after the Arzad massacre. As for my station, I don't care for the prattling of Khanid loyalists, especially Sanist ones. Your treacherous kingdom was declared heretical for hundreds of years before Her Imperial Majesty's mercy, don't expect to be welcomed with open arms. You are a Sebiestor. Do you not realise the irony of your own words?
Deitra Vess Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute 800	Posted - 2015.12.01 14:34:01 - [59] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: There was a time when the Kingdom hunted down blooders and sanists. Our recent alliance is due to the capture of the Red Chamberlain by the Royal Khanid Navy and his delivery to Imperial courts for execution. If the Kingdom is no longer opposing heresy then I have to wonder why we're still maintaining this charade of "friendship". And nowhere is blood sacrifice of innocent faithful a tolerable practice. Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel of the Ministry of Internal Order said as much after the Arzad massacre. As for my station, I don't care for the prattling of Khanid loyalists, especially Sanist ones. Your treacherous kingdom was declared heretical for hundreds of years before Her Imperial Majesty's mercy, don't expect to be welcomed with open arms. You are a Sebiestor. Do you not realise the irony of your own words? By blood maybe.....
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35812	Posted - 2015.12.01 14:37:39 - [60] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: There was a time when the Kingdom hunted down blooders and sanists. Our recent alliance is due to the capture of the Red Chamberlain by the Royal Khanid Navy and his delivery to Imperial courts for execution. If the Kingdom is no longer opposing heresy then I have to wonder why we're still maintaining this charade of "friendship". And nowhere is blood sacrifice of innocent faithful a tolerable practice. Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel of the Ministry of Internal Order said as much after the Arzad massacre. As for my station, I don't care for the prattling of Khanid loyalists, especially Sanist ones. Your treacherous kingdom was declared heretical for hundreds of years before Her Imperial Majesty's mercy, don't expect to be welcomed with open arms. You are a Sebiestor. Do you not realise the irony of your own words? By blood maybe..... Exactly.

Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2587	Posted - 2015.12.01 14:47:43 - [61] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: You are a Sebiestor. Do you not realise the irony of your own words? I don't defend the faithlessness or treachery of my race. For whosoever shall lay his life down for his Lord He shall be taken into the arms of God And forever consecrated will he be. -Amarr-Askura 2:3
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35813	Posted - 2015.12.01 16:13:21 - [62] - Quote Then what are you doing in PIE?
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 822	Posted - 2015.12.01 16:38:09 - [63] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Then what are you doing in PIE? Because she's one of the faith and wishes to serve the Empire by flying with one of the oldest still active, and Amarr loyal, corporations? What kind of a question is that? "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35813	Posted - 2015.12.01 16:50:04 - [64] - Quote It's the kind of question that gets asked after she calls herself a faithless traitor.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1690	Posted - 2015.12.01 16:53:54 - [65] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: It's the kind of question that gets asked after she calls herself a faithless traitor. Lieutenant Kernher is Sebiestor by blood, yes. She is a life-long resident of the Empire, however, and an adherant to the Amarr faith. She is also a decent and honorable person of deep and sincere beliefs. Among those beliefs is one that says that the Matari, like all humanity other than the 'True Amarr', were once faithful to the Amarr God, but turned away from him - an act of faithlessness and treachery, and one she believes pollutes our entire bloodline. It is a sin she strives to atone for, despite having not actually committed it herself. So, if a decent, honorable person who deeply and sincerely believes in the Amarr faith and has lived within the Empire since birth should not be fighting for the Empire, where should they be fighting?
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 881	Posted - 2015.12.01 16:55:37 - [66] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: How about the capacitor-boosted dual armour reppers? Oh well. I was trying not to give Naups ideas about what I might be flying next time! :P Yes, either that, or some sort of kiter that'll stay out of scram and neut range, or I might invent something totally ridiculous, like a Crucifier made into a neuting droneboat. He experiments on slaves, and I'll experiment on him! If you are gonna be kiting Naup, I really suggest against Tormentors by the sole reason that they aren't exactly fast. I had battled against Executioners with beam lasers before and they are pretty decent if they manage to pull range. Maybe try that out? Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35813	Posted - 2015.12.01 17:05:12 - [67] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: It's the kind of question that gets asked after she calls herself a faithless traitor. Lieutenant Kernher is Sebiestor by blood, yes. She is a life-long resident of the Empire, however, and an adherant to the Amarr faith. She is also a decent and honorable person of deep and sincere beliefs. Among those beliefs is one that says that the Matari, like all humanity other than the 'True Amarr', were once faithful to the Amarr God, but turned away from him - an act of faithlessness and treachery, and one she believes pollutes our entire bloodline. It is a sin she strives to atone for, despite having not actually committed it herself. So, if a decent, honorable person who deeply and sincerely believes in the Amarr faith and has lived within the Empire since birth should not be fighting for the Empire, where should they be fighting? A person that would condemn an entire bloodline like that is neither honourable nor decent. Being self-indignant makes it even worse.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1691	Posted - 2015.12.01 17:40:28 - [68] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: A person that would condemn an entire bloodline like that is neither honourable nor decent. Being self-indignant makes it even worse. Congratulations, you've just declared every single member of the Amarr faith to be neither honourable nor decent, because that 'original sin' - the idea that the taint of ancient forebears who turned from God - is apparently one of the core tenets of the faith, and the reason why the True Amarr stand above even other ethnic groups from their own homeworld as the pinnacle of the Imperial social ladder. Seriously, they're raised to believe that as strongly as they believe '1+1=2'. Because let me be clear here, the statement she made is a subset of the statement 'Everyone but the True Amarr is a product of faithlessness and treachery'. It's just a degree of how recently some of those bloodlines began their atonement.
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35813	Posted - 2015.12.01 17:48:06 - [69] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: A person that would condemn an entire bloodline like that is neither honourable nor decent. Being self-indignant makes it even worse. Congratulations, you've just declared every single member of the Amarr faith to be neither honourable nor decent, because that 'original sin' - the idea that the taint of ancient forebears who turned from God - is apparently one of the core tenets of the faith, and the reason why the True Amarr stand above even other ethnic groups from their own homeworld as the pinnacle of the Imperial social ladder. Seriously, they're raised to believe that as strongly as they believe '1+1=2'. Because let me be clear here, the statement she made is a subset of the statement 'Everyone but the True Amarr is a product of faithlessness and treachery'. It's just a degree of how recently some of those bloodlines began their atonement. Apparently it upset her. Which isn't my problem really. I mean, if she can slander Amarr's allies publically, a little more of the same should be ok.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1691	Posted - 2015.12.01 18:01:40 - [70] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Apparently it upset her. Which isn't my problem really. I mean, if she can slander Amarr's allies publically, a little more of the same should be ok. I assume you're not claiming the Sebiestor are Amarr's allies. Do you, perchance, refer instead to her statements regarding the blood-cults of Delve and Khanid space?

Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35813	Posted - 2015.12.01 18:03:52 - [71] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Apparently it upset her. Which isn't my problem really. I mean, if she can slander Amarr's allies publically, a little more of the same should be ok. I assume you're not claiming the Sebiestor are Amarr's allies. Do you, perchance, refer instead to her statements regarding the blood-cults of Delve and Khanid space? Well, considering that she thinks that every Khanid is a blooder.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1691	Posted - 2015.12.01 18:12:27 - [72] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, considering that she thinks that every Khanid is a blooder. Not what she said. What she said was that the folks claiming that blood raiders are welcome in Khanid are basically claiming Khanid is no longer living up to their obligations vis-a-vis heresy. She also stated - accurately, as near as I can tell - that the Kingdom was considered heretical for other reasons prior to Empress Jamyl I's rapprochement. That heresy, btw, would have been Khanid II's refusal to commit ritual suicide last time he was an Heir to the Imperial Throne, and his subsequent declaration of independence from the Empire.
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35814	Posted - 2015.12.01 18:19:51 - [73] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Well, considering that she thinks that every Khanid is a blooder. Not what she said. What she said was that the folks claiming that blood raiders are welcome in Khanid are basically claiming Khanid is no longer living up to their obligations vis-a-vis heresy. She also stated - accurately, as near as I can tell - that the Kingdom was considered heretical for other reasons prior to Empress Jamyl I's rapprochement. That heresy, btw, would have been Khanid II's refusal to commit ritual suicide last time he was an Heir to the Imperial Throne, and his subsequent declaration of independence from the Empire. No, that's exactly what she said. By the way, the Kingdom is still considered a separate entity from the Empire. Don't believe me? Ask your nearest Concord official.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 176	Posted - 2015.12.01 18:23:16 - [74] - Quote Arrendis wrote: She also stated - accurately, as near as I can tell - that the Kingdom was considered heretical for other reasons prior to Empress Jamyl I's rapprochement. That heresy, btw, would have been Khanid II's refusal to commit ritual suicide last time he was an Heir to the Imperial Throne, and his subsequent declaration of independence from the Empire. Please let's set this dangerous subject aside. I can only pray for a peaceful transition to the new Emperor's reign. Elmund Egivand wrote: If you are gonna be kiting Naup, I really suggest against Tormentors by the sole reason that they aren't exactly fast. I had battled against Executioners with beam lasers before and they are pretty decent if they manage to pull range. Maybe try that out? This is also an option, though it'd be really squishy.
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 226	Posted - 2015.12.01 18:25:41 - [75] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: It's the kind of question that gets asked after she calls herself a faithless traitor. Shouldn't that question be asked by peole who actually serve their own and don't have the history of being buddy-buddy with pirates and terrorists.
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35814	Posted - 2015.12.01 19:03:24 - [76] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: It's the kind of question that gets asked after she calls herself a faithless traitor. Shouldn't that question be asked by people who actually serve their own and don't have the history of being buddy-buddy with pirates and terrorists. How do you know that I'm not serving my own, pray tell?
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5808	Posted - 2015.12.01 19:37:49 - [77] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: It's the kind of question that gets asked after she calls herself a faithless traitor. Shouldn't that question be asked by people who actually serve their own and don't have the history of being buddy-buddy with pirates and terrorists. Ria used to be a pilot in the State Protectorate - when did that change? "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1475	Posted - 2015.12.01 19:42:29 - [78] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Arrendis wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: It's the kind of question that gets asked after she calls herself a faithless traitor. Lieutenant Kernher is Sebiestor by blood, yes. She is a life-long resident of the Empire, however, and an adherant to the Amarr faith. She is also a decent and honorable person of deep and sincere beliefs. Among those beliefs is one that says that the Matari, like all humanity other than the 'True Amarr', were once faithful to the Amarr God, but turned away from him - an act of faithlessness and treachery, and one she believes pollutes our entire bloodline. It is a sin she strives to atone for, despite having not actually committed it herself. So, if a decent, honorable person who deeply and sincerely believes in the Amarr faith and has lived within the Empire since birth should not be fighting for the Empire, where should they be fighting? A person that would condemn an entire bloodline like that is neither honourable nor decent. Being self-indignant makes it even worse. Well then, you might have a problem with the Amarr, because that is the way Amarr works. The individual means nothing, compared to the family and the House. This is why generational slavery is a thing, among other facts. Everyone is deemed to pay for the mistakes of their own kin, as everyone is deemed to profit for their successes. Something not so dissimilar to the Matari social structure, or even the megacorp culture to some extent. The group transcends the individual, with all the excesses that arise from it, as well as the pros. Of course then, it does not mean that blanket statements about whole bloodlines make a lot of sense either..
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 227	Posted - 2015.12.01 19:48:47 - [79] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Ashlar Vellum wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: It's the kind of question that gets asked after she calls herself a faithless traitor. Shouldn't that question be asked by people who actually serve their own and don't have the history of being buddy-buddy with pirates and terrorists. How do you know that I'm not serving my own, pray tell? Are you saying you are still serving your old cartel friends or something while still being part of SPROT? Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Ria used to be a pilot in the State Protectorate - when did that change? She still is.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1475	Posted - 2015.12.01 19:53:19 - [80] - Quote Also, these whole public discussions remind me that this constant witch hunt for heretics and finger pointing are really weird. Are people so quick to call upon others for their sins and heresies in a way to hide their own? Or in the hope to show their over-the-top-zeal? Is that a contest? Is that even becoming of Amarr Faithful? Are people trying to get noticed by the MIO and receive a pat on the head? Is that a way to prove oneself? Half of the discussions involving Faithful systematically end in monkeys slinging scripture at each other without even showing a hint of understanding them. Really. I may lack the moral fortitude to found my own opinions most of the time, but it sure is no wonder that the head Chamberlain and other figures reprimanded the Faithful most of the time for their display. Obedience without a thought is to be cultivated, but so is the moral certitude to know how and when to disagree.

Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35820	Posted - 2015.12.01 19:53:51 - [81] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: Well then, you might have a problem with the Amarr, because that is the way Amarr works. The individual means nothing, compared to the family and the House. This is why generational slavery is a thing, among other facts. Everyone is deemed to pay for the mistakes of their own kin, as everyone is deemed to profit for their successes. Something not so dissimilar to the Matari social structure, or even the megacorp culture to some extent. The group transcends the individual, with all the excesses that arise from it, as well as the pros. Of course then, it does not mean that blanket statements about whole bloodlines make a lot of sense either.. While I am a member of the State Protectorate, I have complete authonomy within operational directives. I get rewarded according to my contributions to them, no questions asked. Certainly beats being declared heretic, deviant, criminal by every old person whom didn't like what you said. Ashlar Vellum wrote: Are you saying you are still serving your old cartel friends or something while still being part of SPROT? I wonder. If you happen to realise that I'm a former Imperium member, will you try to rationalise the fact in light of my exchange with Arrendis here and die from the resulting aneurysm?
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 823	Posted - 2015.12.01 20:04:44 - [82] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: While I am a member of the State Protectorate, I have complete authonomy within operational directives. I get rewarded according to my contributions to them, no questions asked. Certainly beats being declared heretic, deviant, criminal by every old person whom didn't like what you said. There's a big difference between differing opinions, and outright condoning full blooded (pun intended) heresy. Ms Kernher disagrees with me on a lot of finer points of faith and Amarrian politics, but neither of us calls the other a heretic/deviant/criminal. No one should be supportive of people like Nauplius. Lyn Farel wrote: Also, these whole public discussions remind me that this constant witch hunt for heretics and finger pointing are really weird. Are people so quick to call upon others for their sins and heresies in a way to hide their own? Or in the hope to show their over-the-top-zeal? Is that a contest? Is that even becoming of Amarr Faithful? Are people trying to get noticed by the MIO and receive a pat on the head? Is that a way to prove oneself? Half of the discussions involving Faithful systematically end in monkeys slinging scripture at each other without even showing a hint of understanding them. Really. I may lack the moral fortitude to found my own opinions most of the time, but it sure is no wonder that the head Chamberlain and other figures reprimanded the Faithful most of the time for their display. Obedience without a thought is to be cultivated, but so is the moral certitude to know how and when to disagree. Sure, witch hunts are never nice and not always in the best interests of the faith. However when individuals openly proclaim support or sympathy for someone like Omir, someone I hasten to add is widely considered a threat to not only the Empire but all humanity, I think that one is pretty cut and dry. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35820	Posted - 2015.12.01 20:09:14 - [83] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: There's a big difference between differing opinions, and outright condoning full blooded (pun intended) heresy. Ms Kernher disagrees with me on a lot of finer points of faith and Amarrian politics, but neither of us calls the other a heretic/deviant/criminal. No one should be supportive of people like Nauplius. Nowhere have I supported Nauplius. It is, however, implied that I do, because I am of Khanid descent.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 177	Posted - 2015.12.01 20:12:18 - [84] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: Also, these whole public discussions remind me that this constant witch hunt for heretics and finger pointing are really weird. Are people so quick to call upon others for their sins and heresies in a way to hide their own? Or in the hope to show their over-the-top-zeal? Is that a contest? Is that even becoming of Amarr Faithful? Are people trying to get noticed by the MIO and receive a pat on the head? Sorry, Lyn, but this Nauplius guy does everything that's in his power to get all the fingers pointed at him. He sacrifices millions to either to appease his delusions of God, or to enjoy that finger pointing, or both. No witch hunt needed: the witch proudly marches forward and says, "burn me if you can". The question isn't even "why not", the question is "can all my taunting and throwing cheap fit frigates at him provide the attention that he craves and at least delay another senseless mass slaughter by this madman?" Lyn Farel wrote: Is that a way to prove oneself?. Probably yes. But other points are still valid. As about the "heretics" in general... If we, the Empire loyalists, won't take care of and/or clean up our own crazies, who else would?
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1475	Posted - 2015.12.01 20:19:03 - [85] - Quote I am sorry, I did not especially mean your combat here... My assertion was more about a general state of being where all those freelance capsuleer Faithful spend their time pointing fingers at each other for so called heresies. Maybe I, err... chose the wrong thread for that...
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 823	Posted - 2015.12.01 20:24:35 - [86] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Utari Onzo wrote: There's a big difference between differing opinions, and outright condoning full blooded (pun intended) heresy. Ms Kernher disagrees with me on a lot of finer points of faith and Amarrian politics, but neither of us calls the other a heretic/deviant/criminal. No one should be supportive of people like Nauplius. Nowhere have I supported Nauplius. It is, however, implied that I do, because I am of Khanid descent. I'm not Samira, but I get the feeling she's probably more inclined towards pointing the finger at the officials that seemed to miss the obvious Sabik symapthies of Edeity, and the loyalist Khanid capsuleers who allegedly missed it too in their, perhaps commendable, rush to defend their King's right to choose a champion. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Satja Askariin Adamantine Tactical Acquisitions 42	Posted - 2015.12.01 20:47:38 - [87] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: Are people trying to get noticed by the MIO and receive a pat on the head? Is that a way to prove oneself? I suppose the proverbial pat on the head is what every convert or slave aspires to at some point in their lives or the lives of their children. The only way to prove your faith is through the course of time while remaining humble, respectful, and devout.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1693	Posted - 2015.12.01 20:53:03 - [88] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: I am sorry, I did not especially mean your combat here... My assertion was more about a general state of being where all those freelance capsuleer Faithful spend their time pointing fingers at each other for so called heresies. Maybe I, err... chose the wrong thread for that... It's not a bad point for discussion, though. Perhaps its own thread?
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 227	Posted - 2015.12.01 21:04:43 - [89] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: I wonder. If you happen to realise that I'm a former Imperium member, will you try to rationalise the fact in light of my exchange with Arrendis here and die from the resulting aneurysm? So spiteful and here I thought you are my honourable and decent ally.
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 634	Posted - 2015.12.01 21:52:17 - [90] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Lyn Farel wrote: Is that a way to prove oneself?. Probably yes. But other points are still valid. As about the "heretics" in general... If we, the Empire loyalists, won't take care of and/or clean up our own crazies, who else would? Utari Onzo wrote: Sure, witch hunts are never nice and not always in the best interests of the faith. However when individuals openly proclaim support or sympathy for someone like Omir, someone I hasten to add is widely considered a threat to not only the Empire but all humanity, I think that one is pretty cut and dry. Adepta Farel, As "SFRIM]s main focus will be fighting internal threats to Greater Amarr and strengthening it from within as well as fostering good relations to it's allies", Nauplius as an openly proclaimed heretic who has conducted numerous, public acts of mass violence is, and will always, be an internal threat to Greater Amarria and RED to the Society (and by extension yourself). It is not a way to "prove" ourselves, but to try to protect Greater Amarria and uphold the Faith. I really could care less if other independent capsuleers view our efforts as "proving oneself" or otherwise. Our judge is God. I do think the discussion has gotten rather far from the OP and warrants a separate thread so as not to detract from Aspirant Tamiroth's efforts in this regard.

ValentinaDLM Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute 824	Posted - 2015.12.02 00:07:58 - [91] - Quote Shooting nappy is always a good thing. Good to see Sfrim stand up for their principles in this matter.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 558	Posted - 2015.12.02 00:41:07 - [92] - Quote I am not an enemy of Greater Amarria, because Greater Amarria, properly understood, includes the Sani Sabik, who in the fullness of the coming Blood Age will reunite with the Amarr Empire and crush the Minmatar under our boots.
edeity Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary 83	Posted - 2015.12.02 04:11:29 - [93] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: this Nauplius guy does everything that's in his power to get all the fingers pointed at him. He sacrifices millions to either to appease his delusions of God, or to enjoy that finger pointing, or both. ... If we, the Empire loyalists, won't take care of and/or clean up our own crazies, who else would? An artiste, painting a wonderous piece of performance art. It is about life, about will, about meaninglessness of it all without faith, and of course challenges your very preconceptions of what is right and what is wong, what is real what is heresy, what is an enduring testament of the fundamentals of what we are. This is what he does. You on the other hand burn the books of scholars and your betters by passing ill informed judgement and chanting "heresy heresy". Judgement of which you are not entitled to nor educated for nor mentally equipped to comprehend.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1694	Posted - 2015.12.02 06:23:21 - [94] - Quote edeity wrote: An artiste, painting a wonderous piece of performance art. It is about life, about will, about meaninglessness of it all without faith, and of course challenges your very preconceptions of what is right and what is wong, what is real what is heresy, what is an enduring testament of the fundamentals of what we are. This is what he does. An artist, (e) or no, engages the observer with his art. He evokes thought and contemplation of the work, of its meaning, of its very nature. Nauplius has never expressed any desire for others to consider his works or to contemplate their meanings or their worth. He pops up from time to time to engage in gleeful gloating and boastful claims. He offers no challenge to preconceptions. Rather, he offers sadism and hateful rhetoric that presents nothing to evoke consideration of its meaning, and certainly never speaks to any preconceptions of anything, save his own obstinate hatred of one single ethnic group. So, no, he is not an artist. He is a shallow, meaningless child, lashing out at those he can make less powerful than himself in order to cover up his own incredibly self-evident insecurities. He is, sir, a poseur of the most venal and trite calibre, and utterly without artistic merit. Even taken as a single performance piece, he is tired, boorish, and quite frankly, boring.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1475	Posted - 2015.12.02 11:20:30 - [95] - Quote Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Tamiroth wrote: Lyn Farel wrote: Is that a way to prove oneself?. Probably yes. But other points are still valid. As about the "heretics" in general... If we, the Empire loyalists, won't take care of and/or clean up our own crazies, who else would? Utari Onzo wrote: Sure, witch hunts are never nice and not always in the best interests of the faith. However when individuals openly proclaim support or sympathy for someone like Omir, someone I hasten to add is widely considered a threat to not only the Empire but all humanity, I think that one is pretty cut and dry. Adepta Farel, Because "SFRIM]s main focus will be fighting internal threats to Greater Amarr and strengthening it from within as well as fostering good relations to it's allies", Nauplius as an openly proclaimed heretic who has conducted numerous, public acts of mass violence is, and will always, be an internal threat to Greater Amarria and RED to the Society (and by extension yourself). It is not motivated as a way to "prove" ourselves to other capsuleers, but to try to protect Greater Amarria and uphold the Faith. I really could care less if other independent capsuleers view our efforts as "proving oneself" or otherwise. Our judge is God. I do think the discussion has gotten rather far from the OP and warrants a separate thread so as not to detract from Aspirant Tamiroth's efforts in this regard, which the Society supports fully and as to which I encourage you to lend any aid or assistance that you can, even if simply logistics. Directrix, It was definitely not my intention to refer to the Nauplius issues or the usual Sani-Sabik supporters present on this Galnet... I think that the matter of those heresies in relation to orthodoxy are clear and simple enough. I am a bit hurt that you think I am putting that into question here. My apologies again to lady Tamiroth for intruding about other matters...
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 35837	Posted - 2015.12.02 11:23:26 - [96] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: I wonder. If you happen to realise that I'm a former Imperium member, will you try to rationalise the fact in light of my exchange with Arrendis here and die from the resulting aneurysm? So spiteful and here I thought you are my honourable and decent ally. Lack of proper etiquette invokes contempt.
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 634	Posted - 2015.12.02 12:39:46 - [97] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Adepta Farel, Because "SFRIM]s main focus will be fighting internal threats to Greater Amarr and strengthening it from within as well as fostering good relations to it's allies", Nauplius as an openly proclaimed heretic who has conducted numerous, public acts of mass violence is, and will always, be an internal threat to Greater Amarria and RED to the Society (and by extension yourself). It is not motivated as a way to "prove" ourselves to other capsuleers, but to try to protect Greater Amarria and uphold the Faith. I really could care less if other independent capsuleers view our efforts as "proving oneself" or otherwise. Our judge is God. I do think the discussion has gotten rather far from the OP and warrants a separate thread so as not to detract from Aspirant Tamiroth's efforts in this regard, which the Society supports fully and as to which I encourage you to lend any aid or assistance that you can, even if simply logistics. Directrix, It was definitely not my intention to refer to the Nauplius issues or the usual Sani-Sabik supporters present on this Galnet... I think that the matter of those heresies in relation to orthodoxy are clear and simple enough. I am a bit hurt that you think I am putting that into question here. My apologies again to lady Tamiroth for intruding about other matters... My apologies for misconstruing your words and my relief that i have done so. It's part of the dangers of sliding into off topic discussion when other readers, as such as me, may be focused on the topic at hand. At this point, there's quite a bit that really should be in another thread.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1477	Posted - 2015.12.02 15:01:40 - [98] - Quote I am a bit of a scatterbrain, aren't I...?
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5810	Posted - 2015.12.02 15:53:34 - [99] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Ashlar Vellum wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: I wonder. If you happen to realise that I'm a former Imperium member, will you try to rationalise the fact in light of my exchange with Arrendis here and die from the resulting aneurysm? So spiteful and here I thought you are my honourable and decent ally. Lack of proper etiquette invokes contempt. It's never been my opinion that Nieyli-haani has acted in such a manner as to bring her adopted people into disrepute. I'm proud to call her comrade and displeased, though not surprised, to see her attacked in public by those she ought to expect support from. To make a long story short "If you don't want her, we'll keep her with pleasure." "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 227	Posted - 2015.12.02 18:34:27 - [100] - Quote Ria Nieyli wrote: Lack of proper etiquette invokes contempt. By showing contempt in such maner you show your etiquette. Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It's never been my opinion that Nieyli-haani has acted in such a manner as to bring her adopted people into disrepute. I'm proud to call her comrade and displeased, though not surprised, to see her attacked in public by those she ought to expect support from. To make a long story short "If you don't want her, we'll keep her with pleasure." Expecting support from people you don't know is naive at best, especially if you didn't do a thing to help those people in the first place, don't you think? What an interesting choice of words Mr Tuulinen "if you don't want her, we'll keep her". I wouldn't have picked these exact words if I were talking about my trusted and respected brother in arms. Sounds a bit derogatory if you are speaking about a person and not a pet, but maybe that's just me.

Nick Bete The Scope Gallente Federation 380	Posted - 2015.12.02 19:20:46 - [101] - Quote Nauplius wrote: I am not an enemy of Greater Amarria, because Greater Amarria, properly understood, includes the Sani Sabik, who in the fullness of the coming Blood Age will reunite with the Amarr Empire and crush the Minmatar under our boots. Yeah, good luck with that Nappy. Last time you tried you got your asses handed to you by the Minmatar and the Jove. By the way, just out of curiosity, what would happen after you destroyed all the Minmatar? Who would you morons turn against next? People like you always need a new bogeyman to demonize lest you turn on each other so, I'm just wondering, who would that be? Us "decadent" Federals or your current Caldari allies?
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1790	Posted - 2015.12.02 19:33:29 - [102] - Quote Nick Bete wrote: Yeah, good luck with that Nappy. Last time you tried you got your asses handed to you by the Minmatar and the Jove. By the way, just out of curiosity, what would happen after you destroyed all the Minmatar? Who would you morons turn against next? People like you always need a new bogeyman to demonize lest you turn on each other so, I'm just wondering, who would that be? Us "decadent" Federals or your current Caldari allies? Is "demonizing" really the word for what Nauplius does with Matari? His version of God's basically demonic, and he's been known to try to summon demons. He does seem to have a version of what "wicked" means, but that's mostly just anything that opposes his deity. Mostly, it seems like it's not so much that he thinks the Matari are wicked as that his god wants them to suffer. To that end, I'm not sure he even plans to wipe them out. It's, and this seems like a hard thing to say about genocide, worse than that.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5811	Posted - 2015.12.02 19:52:57 - [103] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Ria Nieyli wrote: Lack of proper etiquette invokes contempt. By showing contempt in such maner you show your etiquette. Pieter Tuulinen wrote: It's never been my opinion that Nieyli-haani has acted in such a manner as to bring her adopted people into disrepute. I'm proud to call her comrade and displeased, though not surprised, to see her attacked in public by those she ought to expect support from. To make a long story short "If you don't want her, we'll keep her with pleasure." Expecting support from people you don't know is naive at best, especially if you didn't do a thing to help those people in the first place, don't you think? What an interesting choice of words Mr Tuulinen "if you don't want her, we'll keep her". I wouldn't have picked these exact words if I were talking about my trusted and respected brother in arms. Sounds a bit derogatory if you are speaking about a person and not a pet, but maybe that's just me. Hmmm. And which of us do you think she feels has spoken about her in a derogatory fashion, Mr Vellum? What's naive, in my experience, is expecting certain officers in PIE to value concrete actions taken in defence of the Empire over passive lip-service to the Empire. As for her having done nothing to help you - she's been a State Protectorate pilot for at least a year to my knowledge. Is this, suddenly, not helping the Empire? "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 228	Posted - 2015.12.02 20:47:09 - [104] - Quote And by being in SPROT was she fighting side by side with 24th in the Devoid at any point ever? Perhaps we just have different definition of help if you are asking this question.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5811	Posted - 2015.12.02 21:13:21 - [105] - Quote You need to work on your bigger picture thinking, Mr Vellum. Significant Matari forces come to the Caldari/Gallente warzone - anyone fighting in an allied militia is fighting on your behalf. It seems we do have different definitions. How sad. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Deitra Vess Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute 802	Posted - 2015.12.02 21:18:19 - [106] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: What an interesting choice of words Mr Tuulinen "if you don't want her, we'll keep her". I wouldn't have picked these exact words if I were talking about my trusted and respected brother in arms. Sounds a bit derogatory if you are speaking about a person and not a pet, but maybe that's just me. What was so wrong with that statement exactly? I don't get how thats offensive or whatever to anyone aside from a child.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 558	Posted - 2015.12.02 21:57:57 - [107] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Nick Bete wrote: Yeah, good luck with that Nappy. Last time you tried you got your asses handed to you by the Minmatar and the Jove. By the way, just out of curiosity, what would happen after you destroyed all the Minmatar? Who would you morons turn against next? People like you always need a new bogeyman to demonize lest you turn on each other so, I'm just wondering, who would that be? Us "decadent" Federals or your current Caldari allies? Is "demonizing" really the word for what Nauplius does with Matari? His version of God's basically demonic, and he's been known to try to summon demons. He does seem to have a version of what "wicked" means, but that's mostly just anything that opposes his deity. Mostly, it seems like it's not so much that he thinks the Matari are wicked as that his god wants them to suffer. To that end, I'm not sure he even plans to wipe them out. It's, and this seems like a hard thing to say about genocide, worse than that. On the one hand, the Minmatar are not the only people God has given over to destruction. He has also given Pleasure Hub occupants over to destruction, and he may according to his Will give other people over to destruction at the time of his choosing. Even if, however, God does not give the Gallente over to destruction, the commandment to Reclaim remains in effect, and so it would be licit for the Empire to wage a large scale war of enslavement and conquest against the Gallente even without a particular revelation from God giving that people over to destruction. I hope this war comes soon. On the other hand, the Minmatar do occupy a special place in God's creation as the outlet for God's cruelty and punishment and wrath, as well as the divinely instituted source of labor and sacrifice for the Chosen, and so their potential extinction does pose something of a theological dilemma. I have two possible answers. One: I have mentioned before that I hold to a cyclical view of history which passes through a Blood Age, a Earth Age, a Dark Age, a Golden Age, and then back again. It may be that Minmatar, as such, are destroyed and then "recreated" at points along the cycle. Two: it may be the case that the destruction of the Minmatar that breaks the cycle and brings about a really final End of Days in which God sends the Ark for his Chosen and destroys the rest.
Maria Daphiti PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 81	Posted - 2015.12.02 22:01:46 - [108] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Tinfoilery nonsense And now the crazy talk really begins to show itself!
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1699	Posted - 2015.12.02 22:11:00 - [109] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Two: it may be the case that the destruction of the Minmatar that breaks the cycle and brings about a really final End of Days in which God sends the Ark for his Chosen and destroys the rest. Alternately, it says right here in this totally authentic tome of scripture that predates the closing of the EVE Gate that God specifically creates people whose named begin with 'Na' to be extra-salty and delusional, because he especially loves their tears. Unfortunately, that book also contains scriptural instructions that require it never be shown to those people, so I'll just stop into Amarr some time soon and let Alizabeth Vea confirm its existence.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 558	Posted - 2015.12.02 22:36:51 - [110] - Quote Maria Daphiti wrote: Nauplius wrote: Tinfoilery nonsense And now the crazy talk really begins to show itself! Could you please specify, madam, which parts you find crazy? P. S. I see that you have abandoned that sinful outfit you were wearing. Good choice.

Kellie Dusette Isogen 5 11277	Posted - 2015.12.02 22:43:25 - [111] - Quote Kellie like for you coat very many much, Mista Nauplioos. Look for stylish, many formal and this one 'dapper'. Still need for to work on this smile more though... GÖÑ -¦-öGäôGäô+¦-ö pàñ pàñ -öGäô+¦-é-ö -ü++-ü-ò \|\| dus-ött-ö squ+¦dGäó \|\| -¦-â-â-ü
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 558	Posted - 2015.12.02 22:54:11 - [112] - Quote Kellie Dusette wrote: Kellie like for you coat very many much, Mista Nauplioos. Look for stylish, many formal and this one 'dapper'. Still need for to work on this smile more though... Thank you, madam.
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 228	Posted - 2015.12.02 23:10:39 - [113] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You need to work on your bigger picture thinking, Mr Vellum. Significant Matari forces come to the Caldari/Gallente warzone - anyone fighting in an allied militia is fighting on your behalf. It seems we do have different definitions. How sad. Being in militia makes you a privateer nothing more. By your definition Nauplius is fighting on your behalf Mr Tuulinen, am I right. It's clear our definitions do differ quite drastically, we can agree on that I suppose.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5811	Posted - 2015.12.03 00:44:48 - [114] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You need to work on your bigger picture thinking, Mr Vellum. Significant Matari forces come to the Caldari/Gallente warzone - anyone fighting in an allied militia is fighting on your behalf. It seems we do have different definitions. How sad. Being in militia makes you a privateer nothing more. By your definition Nauplius is fighting on your behalf Mr Tuulinen, am I right. It's clear our definitions do differ quite drastically, we can agree on that I suppose. Unsurprisingly you fail to grasp the difference between fighting on your behalf and being on your side. When Nauplius kills FDU pilots he is achieving the tactical goals of the State Protectorate, even if he is the worst kind of liquid filth. Now tell me, Vellum, what has the pilot we're talking about done to place herself on the same footing as Nauplius? That was my earlier question and you've yet to tell me anything substantive. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 179	Posted - 2015.12.03 09:19:41 - [115] - Quote Nauplius wrote: The people of the Bleak Lands and Devoid groan under the sins of drunkenness and fornication (...) The blood of the Janitors shall cleanse your soul of sin and make you worthy of standing before a holy and righteous God. It's disgusting, and yet laughable at the same time! Poor soul, you are truly mad and beyond any kind of salvation. Well, perhaps except the one by holy laser fire!
Tyrel Toov Delusions of Granduer SpaceMonkey's Alliance 665	Posted - 2015.12.03 17:06:53 - [116] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Nauplius wrote: The people of the Bleak Lands and Devoid groan under the sins of drunkenness and fornication (...) The blood of the Janitors shall cleanse your soul of sin and make you worthy of standing before a holy and righteous God. It's disgusting, and yet laughable at the same time! Poor soul, you are truly mad and beyond any kind of salvation. Well, perhaps except the one by holy laser fire! I doubt that the entire Amarrian fleet has enough lasers among them to illicit enough retribution to matter. Also, am I the only one who imagined a bunch of blood cells wearing coveralls, and using mops and buckets when he said that? I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1115	Posted - 2015.12.03 21:19:23 - [117] - Quote Rumour has it, that if you want to bait Nauplius into action, you should consider abducting a Certain Khanid Journalist, and using her as bait. But that's just a rumour. Rumour. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 337	Posted - 2015.12.03 22:38:56 - [118] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: Rumour has it, that if you want to bait Nauplius into action, you should consider abducting a Certain Khanid Journalist, and using her as bait. But that's just a rumour. Rumour. Serious.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 559	Posted - 2015.12.03 23:09:17 - [119] - Quote Quiet, both of you.
Alizabeth Vea Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 647	Posted - 2015.12.03 23:12:34 - [120] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Nauplius wrote: Two: it may be the case that the destruction of the Minmatar that breaks the cycle and brings about a really final End of Days in which God sends the Ark for his Chosen and destroys the rest. Alternately, it says right here in this totally authentic tome of scripture that predates the closing of the EVE Gate that God specifically creates people whose named begin with 'Na' to be extra-salty and delusional, because he especially loves their tears. Unfortunately, that book also contains scriptural instructions that require it never be shown to those people, so I'll just stop into Amarr some time soon and let Alizabeth Vea confirm its existence. Drinks will be on me. Forged in the fires of the forth Delve war, I've been to hell, and I'm back for more, so cap the gas and push back the door, turn fuel to fire, let the monster roar. Retainer of House Sarum

Kellie Dusette Isogen 5 11279	Posted - 2015.12.03 23:21:42 - [121] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Quiet, both of you. Aww. This for many sweet. GÖÑ -¦-öGäôGäô+¦-ö pàñ pàñ -öGäô+¦-é-ö -ü++-ü-ò \|\| dus-ött-ö squ+¦dGäó \|\| -¦-â-â-ü
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 183	Posted - 2015.12.04 18:51:05 - [122] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: Valerie Valate wrote: Rumour has it, that if you want to bait Nauplius into action, you should consider abducting a Certain Khanid Journalist, and using her as bait. But that's just a rumour. Rumour. Serious. Shirley Serious ? No, that'd be dishonorable. Being a horrible Gallentean 'net tabloid reporter is not a crime. I don't kidnap innocent people. But I don't even "want to bait him into action", he's willing enough on his own anyway. So far, at least.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 559	Posted - 2015.12.04 22:06:16 - [123] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Shirley Serious ? No, that'd be dishonorable. Being a horrible Gallentean 'net tabloid reporter is not a crime. I don't abduct innocent people. But I don't even "want to bait him into action", he's willing enough on his own anyway. So far, at least. She is not a horrible reporter. Among other things, she reported the Khanid Bottomless Pit, a discovery that vindicated my theology on several points. Please don't slander her.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2353	Posted - 2015.12.04 23:04:36 - [124] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Tamiroth wrote: Shirley Serious ? No, that'd be dishonorable. Being a horrible Gallentean 'net tabloid reporter is not a crime. I don't abduct innocent people. But I don't even "want to bait him into action", he's willing enough on his own anyway. So far, at least. She is not a horrible reporter. Among other things, she reported the Khanid Bottomless Pit, a discovery that vindicated my theology on several points. Please don't slander her. You know your philosophy is in trouble when you have to non-ironically rely on Shirley Serious for support. Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 559	Posted - 2015.12.04 23:34:37 - [125] - Quote I can think of no stronger foundation for knowledge than the work of Shirley Serious. Please do not slander her.
Alizabeth Vea Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 647	Posted - 2015.12.05 01:12:21 - [126] - Quote You know Shirley Serious is a joke, right? Gutter Press is all just a parody. Forged in the fires of the forth Delve war, I've been to hell, and I'm back for more, so cap the gas and push back the door, turn fuel to fire, let the monster roar. Retainer of House Sarum
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1704	Posted - 2015.12.05 01:23:21 - [127] - Quote Nauplius wrote: She is not a horrible reporter. Among other things, she reported the Khanid Bottomless Pit, a discovery that vindicated my theology on several points. Please don't slander her. Nauplius wrote: I can think of no stronger foundation for knowledge than the work of Shirley Serious. Please do not slander her. Nobody's slandering anyone. It's text. It's libel.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 895	Posted - 2015.12.05 01:52:33 - [128] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: You know Shirley Serious is a joke, right? Gutter Press is all just a parody. Confirmation bias. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 185	Posted - 2015.12.05 11:32:49 - [129] - Quote Speaking on the Bottomless Pit and tossing sinners into it, there's an interesting bit of old planetside news I still remember from my childhood. There was a certain Lord Kargash of Bomana who owned a network of mines in the system. Manned with slaves, of course. The numbers of those slaves obviously were higher than he was supposed to own as a Holder of his rank, but old Kargash was buddy-buddy with all the right people, including the Count of Bomana and the late Duke of Arniri, so nobody paid attention where all the extra slaves come from. Then, one day, servants went to the Lord's sleeping chambers and found out that these are no more! There was a Bottomless Pit instead. Turns out, the mansion was built over a small karst formation. Over the centuries, it slowly grew bigger and closer to the surface, until one day the entire wing of the building collapsed into it, forming a sinkhole some 100 feet in diameter and over 600 feet deep. Lord Kargash's body was never found. And then, news came from the Republic that RSS intercepted and destroyed one of Kargash's Bestowers at an Angel deadspace facility. So that's where he was getting his workforce. Beware of the Bottomless Pit!
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 185	Posted - 2015.12.05 18:56:07 - [130] - Quote Update: An lesson learned today: if you bring a laser ship with active tank to EM and Thermal, and the enemy brings a heavy buffered, track disrupting explosive damage dealer with rockets, the fight might be over sooner than expected. To be continued, I suppose!

Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1707	Posted - 2015.12.05 20:44:30 - [131] - Quote Know your enemy, pilot - what does he fly, how does he like to fit them? Plan from there.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 185	Posted - 2015.12.05 20:53:17 - [132] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Know your enemy, pilot - what does he fly, how does he like to fit them? Plan from there. I adapted exactly to that. The error made was that I didn't dig too deep into his loss history. The Kestrel fit he used against me today was last used in July.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program Sani-Sabik 338	Posted - 2015.12.05 21:19:37 - [133] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Arrendis wrote: Know your enemy, pilot - what does he fly, how does he like to fit them? Plan from there. I adapted exactly to that. The error made was that I didn't dig too deep into his loss history. The Kestrel fit he used against me today was last used in July. Upship him. Cruors work very well against kiters and active tank frigs. Also, you can call me for back up, I can just bring a svipul or something similar. I would like to take Nauplius's blood to the covenant just so we have some.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 185	Posted - 2015.12.05 21:47:54 - [134] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: Upship him. Cruors Ummm... No. Anyanka Funk wrote: Also, you can call me for back up, I can just bring a svipul or something similar Umm... No? Anyanka Funk wrote: I would like to take Nauplius's blood to the covenant just so we have some. Sure, do it if you want, but without my involvement in this in any way please.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 559	Posted - 2015.12.05 21:48:44 - [135] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Arrendis wrote: Know your enemy, pilot - what does he fly, how does he like to fit them? Plan from there. I adapted exactly to that. The error made was that I didn't dig too deep into his loss history. The Kestrel fit he used against me today was last used in July. The only adapting you need to do is your choice of God. Turn to the Red God and be victorious.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 802	Posted - 2015.12.05 21:53:34 - [136] - Quote Or just.... You know, upship to a cruor or get a friend with links and use a slicer. That should work alright...
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 185	Posted - 2015.12.05 22:18:08 - [137] - Quote Nauplius wrote: The only adapting you need to do is your choice of God. Turn to the Red God How about... no? Deitra Vess wrote: Or just.... You know, upship to a cruor Thank you for the advice, Deitra, but I'm not going to fly filthy Blood Raider hulls, never ever, regardless of whatever advantage they provide. I've heard that the Raiders sacrifice prisoners and slaves to "sanctify", or, rather, further desecrate their war machines, so that blood paint is there for a good reason... No. :( Deitra Vess wrote: or get a friend with links and use a slicer. That should work alright... I'd like to face him on equal terms in honourable combat, of course. But because our skills are obviously not so equal - a magister's degree in history of the Second Ardishapur Period and colony management versus decades of service in the Khanid Navy - I might as well ultimately resort to something along those lines. But first, I'd like to make sure that continuing fighting him 1v1 on his terms is absolutely futile. Also, who knows, maybe he'll repent and see the horror of his murderous and heretical ways? Not that it'll help all the people he slaughtered, anyway.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1707	Posted - 2015.12.05 22:24:41 - [138] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: or get a friend with links and use a slicer. That should work alright... I'd like to face him on equal terms in honourable combat, of course. How do you know he doesn't have someone running links? Quote: But first, I'd like to make sure that continuing fighting him 1v1 on his terms is absolutely futile. A fair fight is always futile.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 803	Posted - 2015.12.05 22:30:29 - [139] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: Or just.... You know, upship to a cruor Thank you for the advice, Deitra, but I'm not going to fly filthy Blood Raider hulls, never ever, regardless of whatever advantage they provide. I've heard that the Raiders sacrifice prisoners and slaves to "sanctify", or, rather, further desecrate their war machines, so that blood paint is there for a good reason... No. :( A tool isn't what defines intent, the person behind it does. What do I mean by that? If I'm flying in an armor based cruiser or battleahip fleet for the Matari Militia, I would be a fool to not use guardian logistics because they're " slaver ships." Tamiroth wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: or get a friend with links and use a slicer. That should work alright... I'd like to face him on equal terms in honourable combat, of course. But because our skills are obviously not so equal - a magister's degree in history of the Second Ardishapur Period and colony management versus decades of service in the Khanid Navy - I might as well ultimately resort to something along those lines. But first, I'd like to make sure that continuing fighting him 1v1 on his terms is absolutely futile. Also, who knows, maybe he'll repent and see the horror of his murderous and heretical ways? Not that it'll help all the people he slaughtered, anyway. You aren't that naive to think he's returning the same sentiment are you? Don't be silly. He more than likely has links, a head full of inplants and boosters as his "honor."
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 803	Posted - 2015.12.05 22:36:21 - [140] - Quote Also, he won't repent for seeing "honorable fighting." One person's honorable fight is another person's foolish fight. Throwing your crew members into fights you most likely will lose will only prove his red god's "might" even further.

Karmilla Strife Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 340	Posted - 2015.12.05 23:44:48 - [141] - Quote Only idiots fight fair.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1794	Posted - 2015.12.06 00:13:53 - [142] - Quote Karmilla Strife wrote: Only idiots fight fair. Respectfully, while, as a matter of principle, I don't duel, it's not always an empty gesture. The point here isn't to kill Nauplius. Killing him temporarily barely inconveniences him; killing him permanently is not an achievable goal for any of us. However, there may be victories to be won outside of pure economic damage. Approaching an honor duel honorably is not about anything ephemeral; it's about making the victory count. The challenger here is a relative unknown, and lacks Nauplius' experience. Considering their relative strength, she doesn't lose much for a loss relative to what he stands to lose if he fails. It's about the only sort of victory that might even get Nauplius to reexamine his beliefs, especially if she ever starts beating him consistently. Really, she gains a little credit even if she never wins for just being tenacious, so long as she keeps it up. But it has to be clean, or the whole point of the thing is lost. For my own part, I'll never duel him. I don't have anything to prove in such a way. Tamiroth does, though, and multiple ways to prove it. Being careful about how crew are selected might be wise, though. Neither pilot's life is at stake, but other people's are.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 805	Posted - 2015.12.06 00:42:50 - [143] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Respectfully, while, as a matter of principle, I don't duel, I don't think it's always an empty gesture. The point here isn't to kill Nauplius. Killing him temporarily barely inconveniences him; killing him permanently is not an achievable goal for any of us. However, there may be victories to be won outside of pure economic damage. Approaching an honor duel honorably is not about anything ephemeral; it's about making the victory count. The challenger here is a relative unknown, and lacks Nauplius' experience. Considering their relative strength, she doesn't lose much for a loss relative to what he stands to lose if he fails. It's about the only sort of victory that might even get Nauplius to reexamine his beliefs, especially if she ever starts beating him consistently. Really, she gains a little credit even if she never wins for just being tenacious, so long as she keeps it up. But it has to be clean, or the whole point of the thing is lost. For my own part, I'll never duel him. I don't have anything to prove in such a way. Tamiroth does, though, and multiple ways to prove it. Being careful about how crew are selected might be wise, though. Neither pilot's life is at stake, but other people's are. I know what your saying but how many times have we bashed his towers and he blamed it on his little croustation god or whatever (mollusk the deciever or malok.... Whatever, I don't pretend to know your religion, Amarr). Even if she managed an honorable victory it would be fluffed off as "Mullick the deceiver helped her in trying to beat the all mighty red god..... Bwahahaha." If your going to fight him, stoop to his level. He won't be phased by anything less. Make the loss as personal as possible. After all he's done it should be.
Nicoletta Mithra Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 610	Posted - 2015.12.06 00:59:08 - [144] - Quote Cpt. Tamiroth Alet Azaph has already won over the heretic called Nauplius in innumerable ways: He placed himself in service to Lies, Ugliness and Evil - all of them being ultimately nothing: mere deficiencies, not existing for themselves but only in comparison to what could be, what is lacked, rather being the lack of something than being something at all. She placed herself in service to Truth, Beauty and Goodness eternal - the bountiful fullness of creation and existence, her still continuing struggle against him being only a small part of this. A simple victory in a battle of ships means little in comparison and this is truely not what this struggle is about: It's an example of standing up for what is good and right, to serve faithfully. That's not to say we all should vow the same: Rather we should all find inspiration in this example to confront the darkness we can make a stand against: To burn and live, to fear not, to be light. To spread the light throughout creation.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 559	Posted - 2015.12.06 02:27:50 - [145] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: You aren't that naive to think he's returning the same sentiment are you? Don't be silly. He more than likely has links, a head full of inplants and boosters as his "honor." No. I have only the Red God.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1796	Posted - 2015.12.06 02:34:54 - [146] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: You aren't that naive to think he's returning the same sentiment are you? Don't be silly. He more than likely has links, a head full of inplants and boosters as his "honor." No. I have only the Red God. See, I actually believe Nauplius on this. This is partly a trial of his faith. It's one sort of contest you're really ill-advised to cheat at, if you are yourself a believer and not just someone manipulating them. There's a lot of stuff Nauplius does that doesn't make any sense without him being a true believer, so.... Now, what's quite possible is that if he loses he'll attribute it to foul play, whether it really was or not, so it's probably wise to avoid even the appearance of trickery.
Maria Daphiti PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 81	Posted - 2015.12.06 03:17:12 - [147] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Deitra Vess wrote: You aren't that naive to think he's returning the same sentiment are you? Don't be silly. He more than likely has links, a head full of inplants and boosters as his "honor." No. I have only the Red God. doubtfully Pinkie swear no Implants?
Alizabeth Vea Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 648	Posted - 2015.12.06 03:59:10 - [148] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Also, the "faith" issue cuts both ways, here. Neither is going to want to prove their own faith weak by resorting to honorless tactics. If your faith is so weak you cannot bring along links and a neutral Falcon pilot, something is wrong. Forged in the fires of the forth Delve war, I've been to hell, and I'm back for more, so cap the gas and push back the door, turn fuel to fire, let the monster roar. Retainer of House Sarum
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1796	Posted - 2015.12.06 04:21:59 - [149] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: Aria Jenneth wrote: Also, the "faith" issue cuts both ways, here. Neither is going to want to prove their own faith weak by resorting to honorless tactics. If your faith is so weak you cannot bring along links and a neutral Falcon pilot, something is wrong. Making your own luck in such a way doesn't seem like much of an act of faith, respectfully, Ms. Vea. Duels should be honored. Like promises. It's why I never fight them.
Alizabeth Vea Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 648	Posted - 2015.12.06 06:08:18 - [150] - Quote I trust in God to keep the planets in orbit and the stars burning. The tactical situation is mine to worry about. Forged in the fires of the forth Delve war, I've been to hell, and I'm back for more, so cap the gas and push back the door, turn fuel to fire, let the monster roar. Retainer of House Sarum

Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 5815	Posted - 2015.12.06 06:38:33 - [151] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: I trust in God to keep the planets in orbit and the stars burning. The tactical situation is mine to worry about. The Winds help those who help themselves, I agree. "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
Vikarion State Trade War Zone Consortium 891	Posted - 2015.12.06 08:22:57 - [152] - Quote Nauplius wrote: No. I have only the Red God. You talk too much.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1479	Posted - 2015.12.06 10:14:14 - [153] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Aria Jenneth wrote: Respectfully, while, as a matter of principle, I don't duel, I don't think it's always an empty gesture. The point here isn't to kill Nauplius. Killing him temporarily barely inconveniences him; killing him permanently is not an achievable goal for any of us. However, there may be victories to be won outside of pure economic damage. Approaching an honor duel honorably is not about anything ephemeral; it's about making the victory count. The challenger here is a relative unknown, and lacks Nauplius' experience. Considering their relative strength, she doesn't lose much for a loss relative to what he stands to lose if he fails. It's about the only sort of victory that might even get Nauplius to reexamine his beliefs, especially if she ever starts beating him consistently. Really, she gains a little credit even if she never wins for just being tenacious, so long as she keeps it up. But it has to be clean, or the whole point of the thing is lost. For my own part, I'll never duel him. I don't have anything to prove in such a way. Tamiroth does, though, and multiple ways to prove it. Being careful about how crew are selected might be wise, though. Neither pilot's life is at stake, but other people's are. I know what your saying but how many times have we bashed his towers and he blamed it on his little croustation god or whatever (mollusk the deciever or malok.... Whatever, I don't pretend to know your religion, Amarr). Even if she managed an honorable victory it would be fluffed off as "Mullick the deceiver helped her in trying to beat the all mighty red god..... Bwahahaha." If your going to fight him, stoop to his level. He won't be phased by anything less. Make the loss as personal as possible. After all he's done it should be. Bashing his towers, is akin to killing him, or a capsuleer for that matters. It is futile, and counter productive to the goal you seek to achieve. They all strive on popularity, and public visibility. Make them irrelevant by not caring, and they will disappear into oblivion, either out of boredom, or something else.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1798	Posted - 2015.12.06 16:08:52 - [154] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: Bashing his towers, is akin to killing him, or a capsuleer for that matters. It is futile, and counter productive to the goal you seek to achieve. They all strive on popularity, and public visibility. Make them irrelevant by not caring, and they will disappear into oblivion, either out of boredom, or something else. Though, as noted, suuolo, Nauplius does stuff you can't expect people not to care about. It's why dueling him seems like a better option. (The best option might involve CONCORD and a kill switch, but they don't seem to like to clarify whether they can really do that to us, and they seem kind of thick-skinned about massacres, so....)
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1798	Posted - 2015.12.06 16:39:30 - [155] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Alizabeth Vea wrote: I trust in God to keep the planets in orbit and the stars burning. The tactical situation is mine to worry about. The Winds help those who help themselves, I agree. And, again, I agree-- except that this is, explicitly, a series of honor duels. Speaking from my own perspective, "honor" is a matter of my own integrity. It's one of the core values I hold myself to: I don't cheat. If I make a promise, I try very hard to keep it. If I were to be untrue to that principle, I'd lose a little of myself. Maybe more than a little. You are making this all sound pretty naiive, but actually I think that mostly means you don't understand the situation. Nauplius and Tamiroth likely both look at their faith kind of the way I look at my integrity, as something core to their respective identities. If either were a little less spiritualistic, maybe they'd see things more "pragmatically," but that doesn't seem to be the case. They're both the sorts to take this seriously. That's what gives this situation meaning beyond just killing The Butcher one more time. Breaking the rules drains the whole exercise of purpose. There's no reason to fight this way in the first place if they're going to cheat. For either of them, I think (I might be wrong in Nauplius's case, but he's not exactly ... uh, sneaky?). I prefer a battlefield without rules, where every resource can be brought to bare. Ambush is a basic capsuleer tactic, and I think I might even enjoy it more than most. But I'm not about to go around telling people I'm going to abide by rules, then break them. If people engage me, thinking they have an easy kill, only to find out differently, that's one thing. I never owed them a fair fight. If I made a promise, though.... Pieter ... I understand that this is something that sort of quietly gets debated within PY-RE, but I'm with Mayrin, here. As mercenaries, our word has to count for something-- even leaving out my own issues about integrity and personal identity, that's just good business, right? If you agree to a duel, you really ought to honor it. If you're going to cheat, you shouldn't be dueling in the first place.
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1480	Posted - 2015.12.06 18:52:13 - [156] - Quote Well, I guess some actually make use of the duel concept as a tool to their end, meaning, cheating and getting the upper hand. It is not that far from a scam, all in all.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1804	Posted - 2015.12.06 20:49:06 - [157] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: Well, I guess some actually make use of the duel concept as a tool to their end, meaning, cheating and getting the upper hand. It is not that far from a scam, all in all. Plenty. I just don't care to be that person, and I kind of doubt either of the combatants here do, either. Nauplius seems to be more or less honest, even if that he's honestly awful.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1709	Posted - 2015.12.06 23:01:51 - [158] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Alizabeth Vea wrote: I trust in God to keep the planets in orbit and the stars burning. The tactical situation is mine to worry about. The Winds help those who help themselves, I agree. And, again, I agree-- except that this is, explicitly, a series of honor duels. Speaking from my own perspective, "honor" is a matter of my own integrity. It's one of the core values I hold myself to: I don't cheat. If I make a promise, I try very hard to keep it. If I were to be untrue to that principle, I'd lose a little of myself. Maybe more than a little. You are making this all sound pretty naiive, but actually I think that mostly means you don't understand the situation. Nauplius and Tamiroth likely both look at their faith kind of the way I look at my integrity, as something core to their respective identities. You make it sound as though you actually believe Nauplius's sincerity. You shouldn't. Nothing we've seen indicates that he actually believes in anything more than his own sadistic fun.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 191	Posted - 2015.12.06 23:29:35 - [159] - Quote Nicoletta Mithra wrote: Cpt. Tamiroth Alet Azaph has already won over the heretic called Nauplius in innumerable ways: He placed himself in service to Lies, Ugliness and Evil - all of them being ultimately nothing: mere deficiencies, not existing for themselves but only in comparison to what could be, what is lacked, rather being the lack of something than being something at all. She placed herself in service to Truth, Beauty and Goodness eternal - the bountiful fullness of creation and existence, her still continuing struggle against him being only a small part of this. A simple victory in a battle of ships means little in comparison and this is truely not what this struggle is about: It's an example of standing up for what is good and right, to serve faithfully. That's not to say we all should vow the same: Rather we should all find inspiration in this example to confront the darkness - within or without ourselves - that we can make a stand against: To burn and live, to fear not, to be light. To spread the light throughout creation. Aria Jenneth wrote: Respectfully, while, as a matter of principle, I don't duel, I don't think it's always an empty gesture. The point here isn't to kill Nauplius. Killing him temporarily barely inconveniences him; killing him permanently is not an achievable goal for any of us. However, there may be victories to be won outside of pure economic damage. Approaching an honor duel honorably is not about anything ephemeral; it's about making the victory count. The challenger here is a relative unknown, and lacks Nauplius' experience. Considering their relative strength, she doesn't lose much for a loss relative to what he stands to lose if he fails. It's about the only sort of victory that might even get Nauplius to reexamine his beliefs, especially if she ever starts beating him consistently. Really, she gains a little credit even if she never wins for just being tenacious, so long as she keeps it up. But it has to be clean, or the whole point of the thing is lost. For my own part, I'll never duel him. I don't have anything to prove in such a way. Tamiroth does, though, and multiple ways to prove it. Being careful about how crew are selected might be wise, though. Neither pilot's life is at stake, but other people's are. Directrix Emerita Mithra, ms. Jenneth, thank you for the words of encouragement and support. Of course, a duel where one of the opponents resorts to any unfair means he can use to get advantage and, ultimately, a hollow "victory", would only serve to his shame. The true victor of this battle would be the one who fell, not the one who won through off-grid links, neutral logistics or "unexpected reinforcements". That's why I had to turn down some offers of assistance that were made to me yesterday. No, I will not dishonor the conditions of a pre-arranged duel with the enemy. If he is cheating, it only means that he lost. But I also will not allow myself to be subtly painted into a corner of a binary choice where it shouldn't be. A duel is indeed the easiest way to get an engagement with the heretic; he is eager to participate, because he is sure that he will win. But it is not the only way, and, outside of those honorable jousts, Nauplius and all his accomplices are still entirely valid targets. I leave to myself full freedom to use any means available to track, intercept and destroy those targets in low security areas when possible, and that's where all usual stratagems of capsuleer combat, such as "only idiots fight fair" and "bring friends", may apply.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1804	Posted - 2015.12.07 00:10:10 - [160] - Quote Arrendis wrote: You make it sound as though you actually believe Nauplius's sincerity. You shouldn't. Nothing we've seen indicates that he actually believes in anything more than his own sadistic fun. Respectfully, Arrendis, Nauplius doesn't have enough fun with his cruelty for me to think he isn't in earnest. Blowing up a million people (to mark the one-year anniversary of the last time you blew up a million people) isn't actually very sadistic; it's just mass murder. There's not a lot of "fun" to be had. Weird as it sounds, I don't know that Nauplius is a proper sadist. He seems less to me like someone disingenuous and more like someone at the end of a long and very ugly trail of confirmation bias-fueled "religious epiphanies" driving him farther and farther from his native faith. He's worked himself into this odd mental state where he's pretty much the only one who really understands God. ... and God is a sadistic jerk. At that point, all it really takes is not wanting to be one of "God's" victims. I'd feel sorry for him, only he keeps making me want to do bad and creative things to him. I won't elaborate on those, though; he does tend to steal ideas.

Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1709	Posted - 2015.12.07 03:09:57 - [161] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Respectfully, Arrendis, Nauplius doesn't have enough fun with his cruelty for me to think he isn't in earnest. Blowing up a million people (to mark the one-year anniversary of the last time you blew up a million people) isn't actually very sadistic; it's just mass murder. There's not a lot of "fun" to be had. The fun comes in the posturing he does here - otherwise, he wouldn't do it. He'd just quietly commit mass-murder without telling anyone, so no-one would come blow up his towers. He likes to be outrageous, to get a reaction. That's not the mark of sincere belief. Sincere belief would make the sacrifices in order to make the sacrifices. Rather, he actively works to get people riled up to stop him, just to get some attention.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1804	Posted - 2015.12.07 04:56:24 - [162] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Aria Jenneth wrote: Respectfully, Arrendis, Nauplius doesn't have enough fun with his cruelty for me to think he isn't in earnest. Blowing up a million people (to mark the one-year anniversary of the last time you blew up a million people) isn't actually very sadistic; it's just mass murder. There's not a lot of "fun" to be had. The fun comes in the posturing he does here - otherwise, he wouldn't do it. He'd just quietly commit mass-murder without telling anyone, so no-one would come blow up his towers. He likes to be outrageous, to get a reaction. That's not the mark of sincere belief. Sincere belief would make the sacrifices in order to make the sacrifices. Rather, he actively works to get people riled up to stop him, just to get some attention. Respectfully, I'm aware of the attention-getting aspect. He's proselytizing.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2590	Posted - 2015.12.07 05:06:17 - [163] - Quote If you all are aware, then why are you giving him what he wants with this thread? For whosoever shall lay his life down for his Lord He shall be taken into the arms of God And forever consecrated will he be. -Amarr-Askura 2:3
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 895	Posted - 2015.12.07 06:07:31 - [164] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: If you all are aware, then why are you giving him what he wants with this thread? Because we are bored and also want attention. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Shelby Dusette Isogen 5 12940	Posted - 2015.12.07 06:22:52 - [165] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: If you all are aware, then why are you giving him what he wants with this thread? Because we are bored and also want attention. Wow, you just gotta ask yo. I'm lovin' the cut of your jib, Mista Egivand. You polish them shades like, everyday? Must be a lot of glare comin' at you, like when you're that cool. They're real shiny too, just like your head. Do you wax, shave or laser, Mista Egivand? 'cause you kinda seem like you're totes great with your hands, I bet you do it yourself whatever the method is. Or do you get someone else to do it? I guess you'd totally have like lots of groupies n' stuff for that. I ain't just talkin' baseliners either yo. You must bust some serious weights too hey, I mean the way that vest like stretches to accommodate your shoulders. Really impressive n' stuff. I bet you totally like to fly battleships, yeah? What size projectile you loadin', Mista Egivand? -ò-+-öGäô-¦-â pàñ -ò-â -+-â+¦-ò-é GÖÑ -ò-àc-+ -¦-Å+¦++-ö GÖÑ -+any l-ög+¦-â-+ GÖÑ wow
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1709	Posted - 2015.12.07 06:31:36 - [166] - Quote Shelby Dusette wrote: I bet you totally like to fly battleships, yeah? What size projectile you loadin', Mista Egivand? .... she said to the guy whose most-discussed ship on the IGS was an unarmed Probe. Innuendo... fail.
Shelby Dusette Isogen 5 12940	Posted - 2015.12.07 06:42:45 - [167] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Shelby Dusette wrote: I bet you totally like to fly battleships, yeah? What size projectile you loadin', Mista Egivand? .... she said to the guy whose most-discussed ship on the IGS was an unarmed Probe. Innuendo... fail. Aww just tryin' to make him feel good yo. Nothin' wrong with a Probe, like ... I mean, I guess. It's how you dock it, not how big it is, or ... uhh, somethin'? I fly a Stratios, it's my favourite. I only ever lost one ever n' I fly Legions too, never lost one of those. I'm doin' classes at home here in Aurora to learn how to fly a carrier. It's like totally WOAH. I'll be the first carrier pilot in our family n' stuff. My sista said I needed to learn how to command one 'cause like Mista Winthorp (who had a crush on me, like whaaat!) was cancelling his pilot's licence and gave an Archon to our family as his goodbye gift. What do you like flyin' the most, Ms Arrendis? -ò-+-öGäô-¦-â pàñ -ò-â -+-â+¦-ò-é GÖÑ -ò-àc-+ -¦-Å+¦++-ö GÖÑ -+any l-ög+¦-â-+ GÖÑ wow
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 896	Posted - 2015.12.07 06:52:00 - [168] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Shelby Dusette wrote: I bet you totally like to fly battleships, yeah? What size projectile you loadin', Mista Egivand? .... she said to the guy whose most-discussed ship on the IGS was an unarmed Probe. Innuendo... fail. Hush. You are making my Breacher jealous. Ms. Ball-and-Chain will do bad things to me when she's jealous. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Amber Patoria Isogen 5 5273	Posted - 2015.12.07 06:56:11 - [169] - Quote Shelby Dusette wrote: What size projectile you loadin', Mista Egivand? You really liked cleaning up after Ollie, huh? Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is. Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor? lo-++¦
Shelby Dusette Isogen 5 12944	Posted - 2015.12.07 06:58:19 - [170] - Quote Wow yo. Shut up. -ò-+-öGäô-¦-â pàñ -ò-â -+-â+¦-ò-é GÖÑ -ò-àc-+ -¦-Å+¦++-ö GÖÑ -+any l-ög+¦-â-+ GÖÑ wow

Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1804	Posted - 2015.12.07 07:48:07 - [171] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: If you all are aware, then why are you giving him what he wants with this thread? Because he's one for making himself impossible to ignore, and giving him attention over a few duels is way better than giving him attention for the usual reasons?
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 211	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:05:36 - [172] - Quote Update: Whatever daemonic entity Nauplius worships under the moniker of the "Red God", it apparently didn't hear the heretic's prayers today, because his Rifter was successfully terminated. Some people expressed concern that this loss was pre-arranged by Nauplius as another form of human sacrifice. Well, if that was so, he miserably failed at that, too. The slave crew of his rifter survived and was rescued by me from the wreck after the fight. God is merciful. Amarr Victor.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 562	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:40:01 - [173] - Quote The power of Molok the Deceiver is strong in the Devoid region.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1731	Posted - 2015.12.13 22:33:37 - [174] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Update: Whatever daemonic entity Nauplius worships under the moniker of the "Red God", it apparently didn't hear the heretic's prayers today, because his Rifter was successfully terminated. Some people expressed concern that this loss was pre-arranged by Nauplius as another form of human sacrifice. Well, if that was so, he miserably failed at that, too. The slave crew of his rifter survived and was rescued by me from the wreck after the fight. God is merciful. Amarr Victor. Congratulations.
Deitra Vess Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies. 806	Posted - 2015.12.13 22:54:01 - [175] - Quote Rifter......... Really? Not a firetail, not a breacher, a rifter. If it wasn't for the genocide and just flat out insanity that is you I could almost like you. Unfortunately now you just make me look at one of my more favored ships a little differently. Thanks..... Congrats by the way, Tamiroth.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program 342	Posted - 2015.12.14 03:43:41 - [176] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Update: Whatever daemonic entity Nauplius worships under the moniker of the "Red God", it apparently didn't hear the heretic's prayers today, because his Rifter was successfully terminated. Some people expressed concern that this loss was pre-arranged by Nauplius as another form of human sacrifice. Well, if that was so, he miserably failed at that, too. The slave crew of his rifter survived and was rescued by me from the wreck after the fight. God is merciful. Amarr Victor. Nauplius is a terrible pilot and you just prove to be slightly less terrible.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 907	Posted - 2015.12.14 05:26:05 - [177] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: Rifter......... Really? Not a firetail, not a breacher, a rifter. If it wasn't for the genocide and just flat out insanity that is you I could almost like you. Unfortunately now you just make me look at one of my more favored ships a little differently. Thanks..... Congrats by the way, Tamiroth. Eh, if you wanna scram-kite in a frigate the Rifter is a viable option. It's better than the Slasher in that regard in any rate. No idea why you would fly that over, say, a Breacher though. No, I ain't got a clue how I'm supposed to squeeze artillery cannons onto a Rifter. Alternatively, it's possible to fit artillery cannons on the Rifter and kite like a Wolf, for cheaper. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 217	Posted - 2015.12.15 09:00:54 - [178] - Quote Today I visited the rescued slave crew member in our medical facility in Mehatoor in a rather futile attempt to question him. The medics said that he suffered moderate barotrauma during the ship destruction, but otherwise no serious injuries and already regained consciousness, so I hoped to have a talk, but... The rescued is a male of biological age 26-28, probably of Sebiestor ancestry. He keeps referring of himself as "number 3418675" or "this slave" and is not cooperative. He tried to resist our Ni-Kunni medical personnel, calling them "servants of the Deceiver", so they had to ultimately restrain him. He also keeps complaining that the "Master" will ultimately find and punish him, and then he'll be damned to Hell. Physical assessment discovered both Vitoc and a Transcranial Microcontroller chip present. There are numerous scars from the electric lash, both new and healed. The slave is malnourished, with obvious vitamin deficiencies, long-term lack of medical help and critical levels of stress evident. In this state, and considering that he's basically stark raving mad and that we'll have to remove the TCMC, he'll take weeks to a couple of months to fully recover. This is disgusting. Mr. Nauplius, you obviously aren't a very practical man. Do you even realize that treating your ship crew like this poor soul does not improve the performance of your vessels in the slightest? Think, how many of your losses and other "accidents" might actually be the results of sabotage, or exhausted and sick crewmen failing to perform their tasks? During our last encounter, there was a distinct pause between your Rifters' guns salvos at my Crucifier. At first, I thought that you simply changed your target to my drones that were doing most of the damage to you. Then, I came to the conclusion that you might have done this on purpose to sacrifice the Rifter and the slave in it to the Red God (failing to do so). But now, I'm not so sure. Perhaps, your poor crewman's TCMC just malfunctioned, or he fainted on his post from another high-G turn on his post, and it took you those precious seconds to regain control - enough that I ended in structure, but you, in a wreck? As for the rescued slave, I'll consult the superiors about what to do with him next.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 563	Posted - 2015.12.15 12:03:13 - [179] - Quote Since my defeat, I have been leading my slaves on a series of drone targeting and ammo switching drills. When they perform adequately, they are whipped. When they perform inadequately, they are whipped more. My slaves know that if they be whipped too much, then they die, and that when they die, they go to Hell. The Whip is all the motivation they need.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 217	Posted - 2015.12.15 12:12:49 - [180] - Quote Ah, yes, indeed! You had Barrage loaded and tried to shoot drones with it!.. The drones received no damage at all, by the way. Now I have the answer, thank you. ...Also, at least that one former slave of yours wouldn't be whipped to death and go to Hell.

Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 563	Posted - 2015.12.15 12:15:00 - [181] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Ah, yes, indeed! You had Barrage loaded and tried to shoot drones with it!.. The drones received no damage at all, by the way. Now I have the answer, thank you. Your recreation of the combat sequence is incorrect. I am not that stupid.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 217	Posted - 2015.12.15 12:26:28 - [182] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Tamiroth wrote: Ah, yes, indeed! You had Barrage loaded and tried to shoot drones with it!.. The drones received no damage at all, by the way. Now I have the answer, thank you. Your recreation of the combat sequence is incorrect. I am not that stupid. Well, either way, switching to drones and reloading ammo was your critical mistake. Those frigate duels are very educational. You are, in fact, training me, Nauplius.
Anabella Rella Gradient 2095	Posted - 2015.12.15 20:15:06 - [183] - Quote Nauplius wrote: ...I am not that stupid. Your actions over the years would say otherwise. Also, please pop into Minmatar low sec sometime. I have a nice little present waiting for you. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Maria Daphiti PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 81	Posted - 2015.12.15 20:48:35 - [184] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: Nauplius wrote: ...I am not that stupid. Your actions over the years would say otherwise. Also, please pop into Minmatar low sec sometime. I have a nice little present waiting for you. sulkily He's in Amarr and Minmatar faction low sec practically every day.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 907	Posted - 2015.12.16 01:53:29 - [185] - Quote In the day and age of starship systems automation someone still have the guns loaded manually. Get on with the times, you old coot! Rose-tinted glasses do not win battles! Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Satja Askariin Adamantine Tactical Acquisitions 45	Posted - 2015.12.16 02:24:16 - [186] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: In the day and age of starship systems automation someone still have the guns loaded manually. Get on with the times, you old coot! Rose-tinted glasses do not win battles! I suspect its an excuse. Y'know like yelling 'Fire the Torpedoes' and having to be told, by a slave at that, you firstly are in a frigate and your ship is equipped with autocannon.... he just wants to whip something.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 908	Posted - 2015.12.16 02:46:21 - [187] - Quote Satja Askariin wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: In the day and age of starship systems automation someone still have the guns loaded manually. Get on with the times, you old coot! Rose-tinted glasses do not win battles! I suspect its an excuse. Y'know like yelling 'Fire the Torpedoes' and having to be told, by a slave at that, you firstly are in a frigate and your ship is equipped with autocannon.... he just wants to whip something. Can't whip squat when confined in a capsule. (By the way, stealth bombers are frigates with torpedoes) Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 223	Posted - 2015.12.17 06:23:34 - [188] - Quote Quote: Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque Declares War Against Hoi Andrapodistai From: CONCORD Sent: 2015.12.17 03:41 Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque has declared war on Hoi Andrapodistai. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 569	Posted - 2015.12.17 12:56:57 - [189] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: In the day and age of starship systems automation someone still have the guns loaded manually. Get on with the times, you old coot! Rose-tinted glasses do not win battles! It is not a manual process. When I want something reloaded, I signal to the appropriate overseer drone to begin reloading. This drone performs the reloading by starting to whip the slave responsible for reloading (or if the slave is already being whipped at the time, by increasing the intensity of the whipping). The slave understands the commencement or increase of whipping as a command to begin working (by slaves are "trained", if you can call it that, in at most one menial task). The whipping continues while the work is being performed, increasing or further increasing in intensity if the work be performed poorly. When I wish to stop the work, I signal to the overseer drone who in turn stops the whipping; the slave understands this as command to stop working.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2596	Posted - 2015.12.17 14:18:51 - [190] - Quote That is manual loading, you inbred degenerate. I know you get off on how evil and edgy you can make yourself sound, but you buy standardized ships and modules from the market, produced by manufacturers who actually live in the modern age. As much as you might want to use thousand-year-old tech, you don't. So, tell yourself whatever fallacies you want if it makes you feel the devil you wish to be. The rest of us see nothing more than one of the most mentally deficient capsuleers in this cluster. It's a wonder you are intelligent enough to remember how to breathe.

Johanes Beaumonte Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 89	Posted - 2015.12.17 15:14:12 - [191] - Quote Well.. he was using Matari tech! One man's goose is another man's dander.
Johanes Beaumonte Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 89	Posted - 2015.12.17 15:15:18 - [192] - Quote Well.. Maybe his mind chewed off more than the mind should bite.
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 656	Posted - 2015.12.17 15:29:29 - [193] - Quote Neophyte Beaumonte, you know you aren't supposed to post on the IGS.
Anyanka Funk Hematology Advancement Program 343	Posted - 2015.12.17 21:17:01 - [194] - Quote Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: flickers in and sighs Neophyte Beaumonte, you know you aren't supposed to post on the IGS. flickers out Tell him, Luna!
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 909	Posted - 2015.12.18 01:27:37 - [195] - Quote Johanes Beaumonte wrote: Well.. he was using Matari tech! One man's goose is another man's dander. We haven't used manual labour for starship operations for over a decade now. Autocannons are typically loaded using the belt-feed system. Artillery loaders utilises a series of conveyors, loading arms and clamps. The crew we keep around are typically for the following tasks: 1. Emergency repairs 2. Maintenance and calibrations 3. Cargo sorting 4. Janitorial duties 5. Data verification 6. Fedo nursery duties Critical starship systems are automated enough that you can will it to happen, such as the case for propulsion modules and shield/armour repair modules and weapons systems and the machines will execute it for you. Some tasks you don't even need to think about, such as power routing and etc. Nauplius is deliberately downgrading his ship just so he can have an excuse to whip his slaves back and forth. It's a surprise he hasn't joined 'I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth' yet. Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
Nick Bete The Scope Gallente Federation 382	Posted - 2015.12.18 09:15:50 - [196] - Quote Having a hard time keeping your younglings muzzled and under control Pilot Aspenstar? If they're going to make racist remarks like that they could at least try to be original.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 229	Posted - 2015.12.22 21:53:46 - [197] - Quote And so, the blood tower of madness, known as the "Demon Binding Temple", was destroyed today, with Samira Kernher laying the final blow. As far as I know, about 88% of the slaves that were imprisoned there survived and were evacuated by the allied fleet. God is great, and God is merciful. Because the Society that I am now a member of has an ongoing war declaration against Nauplius, my future encounters with the heretic will become more of a routine and less of a noteworthy news item. But the most important first honorable victory is already won. I think this thread has mostly ran its course. After all, the members of PIE who fight Nauplius in the warzone daily do not boast about their victories. But if something interesting (aside of me losing more T1 frigates with weird fits) happens in the future I may update it again. Amarr Victor!
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 661	Posted - 2015.12.22 22:10:40 - [198] - Quote Nick Bete wrote: Having a hard time keeping your younglings muzzled and under control Pilot Aspenstar? If they're going to make racist remarks like that they could at least try to be original. Unfortunately.. he is quite old.
Ace Lapointe Duty. Mighty Wings. 13	Posted - 2015.12.23 05:35:14 - [199] - Quote Sister Tamiroth, I ask but one thing before I add anything of my own, why? Is it simply because of the dishonour he brings to your fathers name? Or is their another reason? I do not stand for what this man is, but a dark road is exactly that, and His light does not shine on the path of revenge or.. Personal absolution. Please, think clearly before you take this path, and think what it's foundations are.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 230	Posted - 2015.12.23 08:44:20 - [200] - Quote Ace Lapointe wrote: Sister Tamiroth, I ask but one thing before I add anything of my own, why? Is it simply because of the dishonour he brings to your fathers name? Or is their another reason? I do not stand for what this man is, but a dark road is exactly that, and His light does not shine on the path of revenge or personal absolution. Mr. Lapointe, The reasons for fighting Nauplius must be evident for anyone who happens to look into this individual's history, and were stated multiple times by me and others in throughout this thread, but they bear repeating. Nauplius is a capable combat pilot, but as a person, he is completely, fedo droppings grade, mad. He adheres to a some sort of homemade Sani Sabik-like heresy and is fixated on torture and mass human sacrifice. He loudly proclaims everywhere that God demands death and suffering and this is the true face of faith. His latest act, if you haven't noticed, was to erect a "temple", where 27 000 slaves were to be sacrificed in horrific rituals to keep the demons (that were supposedly active on the surface of Afnakat VI) under control. He got the idea that there are demons on the planet from an article in Gutter Press. No, this is not revenge. I fight for our Faith, because the Faith is pure. Our Faith brings purpose, order, hope and peace to all things, not chaos, death, destruction and blood. God sent us forth to cultivate the spirit of man, not to torture and murder the said man. Nauplius' actions, and - at this point - his very continued existence, is an affront to the faithful, and to me, personally. As I said before, we must clean up our own crazies.

Ace Lapointe Duty. Mighty Wings. 16	Posted - 2015.12.23 08:55:15 - [201] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Ace Lapointe wrote: Sister Tamiroth, I ask but one thing before I add anything of my own, why? Is it simply because of the dishonour he brings to your fathers name? Or is their another reason? I do not stand for what this man is, but a dark road is exactly that, and His light does not shine on the path of revenge or personal absolution. Mr. Lapointe, The reasons for fighting Nauplius must be evident for anyone who happens to look into this individual's history, and were stated multiple times by me and others in throughout this thread, but they bear repeating. Nauplius is a capable combat pilot, but as a person, he is completely, fedo droppings grade, mad. He adheres to a some sort of homemade Sani Sabik-like heresy and is fixated on torture and mass human sacrifice. He loudly proclaims everywhere that God demands death and suffering and this is the true face of faith. His latest act, if you haven't noticed, was to erect a "temple", where 27 000 slaves were to be sacrificed in horrific rituals to keep the demons (that were supposedly active on the surface of Afnakat VI) under control. He got the idea that there are demons on the planet from an article in Gutter Press. No, this is not revenge. I fight for our Faith, because the Faith is pure. Our Faith brings purpose, order, hope and peace to all things, not chaos, death, destruction and blood. God sent us forth to cultivate the spirit of man, not to torture and murder the said man. Nauplius' actions, and - at this point - his very continued existence, is an affront to the faithful, and to me, personally. As I said before, we must clean up our own crazies. To wish someone dead simply for a difference in beliefs is not a good reason, however Sister Tamiroth, I will stand with you shall you wish a wingman, as the innocents should never be brought into our world, and should never be used in our games. Also, Nauplius is still a man of honour despite what you think, in his own way, much as I am scum to some, and to others I am not, he has his own beliefs and thoughts, which he has followed with a dedication that is rather incredible, despite what he stands for, only a fool insults their enemy, you note his combat ability, but not his personality, other then the negatives, and unfortunately these are the things that happens when one follows something with such zeal. I will not fight him because of his beliefs, for they are his and not something I can judge, I can only hope he will return to 'his' light one day, I will not attack him due to what he stands for, as that is his concern and his alone, I will stand with you, because he would harm the innocents of His kingdom, because he would draw the innocent mortals into his 'game', that is why I pledge my sword and name to your aid should you ever call, as do my crew. Ace Lapointe, Pirate-knight of Ishomilken is with you Sister Tamiroth, and in His light, we shall show the strength His true light can install. Until you call upon me, I bid you fair well. Oh, and good answer Sister, good answer.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 234	Posted - 2015.12.24 12:50:37 - [202] - Quote Quote: To wish someone dead simply for a difference in beliefs is not a good reason "difference in beliefs"? ... Uhm... Oh... Okay. Quote: Also, Nauplius is still a man of honour despite what you think, in his own way Yes. He honours his word and is very consistent, even predictable, within the limits of his insanity. This does not make him less of a madman and heretic. Quote: I will not attack him due to what he stands for, as that is his concern and his alone I doubt that his words about "God demands suffering and sarifice of all Minmatar slaves", consistently backed with actions, are his concern alone. Quote: I will stand with you, because he would harm the innocents of His kingdom, because he would draw the innocent mortals into his 'game' Thank you. Though none of those "mortals", as you call them, are really innocent unless they are little babies (and certainly not innocent if they are enslaved criminals or prisoners of war), they are the souls that need guidance to light, and not horrible abuse and murder. See, that's the difference between Nauplius and, for example, Funk. Funk, as a hardcore Blood Raider, goes for the "pure" clone blood and has little interest in baseliners. Most of her kills are small frigates, shuttles or capsuleer pods. Nauplius, on the other hand, mass murders helpless slaves who will never have a chance for a payback, or even have this atrocity noticed by the hypocrites of CONCORD.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 576	Posted - 2015.12.24 17:00:54 - [203] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: Though none of those "mortals", as you call them, are really innocent unless they are little babies... Babies born to a bloodline tainted by sin are guilty, guilty, guilty. Even the wayward and liberal mainstream Amarr believe this; that's why we have generational slavery.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1815	Posted - 2015.12.24 18:38:57 - [204] - Quote Nauplius wrote: Tamiroth wrote: Though none of those "mortals", as you call them, are really innocent unless they are little babies... Babies born to a bloodline tainted by sin are guilty, guilty, guilty. Even the wayward and liberal mainstream Amarr believe this; that's why we have generational slavery. Are you sure? I've seen hints of this sort of idea, but if it were the case in any very straightforward way, there would be no reason to release any enslaved people. There are certainly Amarr, including at least one I consider a friend, who talk about sinful blood, but there's another interpretation. If slavery is a sort of spiritual and social apprenticeship, an entry-level introduction of persons into the Amarrian society, there is reason to be cautious about past influences-- especially in someone who has been Reclaimed by force, or who is only a couple generations removed from someone who was. Lingering resentments could be held, even cherished, for decades and generations. If those possessing them are allowed much freedom, those ideas could spread. Empire society seems to be very cautious about things like that; even the possibility isn't really acceptable, since any given incident is likely to mean souls lost, maybe irrevocably, from their god's kingdom. Even when things like that diminish into someone's personal background, there's a risk of resurgence, and the Amarr, culturally, are really, really patient. They also don't seem to care very much about any single person's interests, even to the point of being really reluctant to promote someone within the society based on personal merit. In more religious terms, the "sin" doesn't persist in the blood, but resonates in the social bond between parent and child. By the choices an ancestor has made, they speak to their descendants until those choices are thoroughly forgotten.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 576	Posted - 2015.12.24 19:59:51 - [205] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Nauplius wrote: Tamiroth wrote: Though none of those "mortals", as you call them, are really innocent unless they are little babies... Babies born to a bloodline tainted by sin are guilty, guilty, guilty. Even the wayward and liberal mainstream Amarr believe this; that's why we have generational slavery. Are you sure? I've seen hints of this sort of idea, but if it were the case in any very straightforward way, there would be no reason to release any enslaved people. There are certainly Amarr, including at least one I consider a friend, who talk about sinful blood, but there's another interpretation. If slavery is a sort of spiritual and social apprenticeship, an entry-level introduction of persons into the Amarrian society, there is reason to be cautious about past influences-- especially in someone who has been Reclaimed by force, or who is only a couple generations removed from someone who was. Lingering resentments could be held, even cherished, for decades and generations. If those possessing them are allowed much freedom, those ideas could spread. Empire society seems to be very cautious about things like that; even the possibility isn't really acceptable, since any given incident is likely to mean souls lost, maybe irrevocably, from their god's kingdom. Even when things like that diminish into someone's personal background, there's a risk of resurgence, and the Amarr, culturally, are really, really patient. They also don't seem to care very much about any single person's interests, even to the point of being really reluctant to promote someone within the society based on personal merit. In more religious terms, the "sin" doesn't persist in the blood, but resonates in the social bond between parent and child. By the choices ancestors have made, they speak to their descendants until those choices are thoroughly forgotten. Transmission of sin in the bloodline does not preclude the possibility that said sin can be removed by some means or another GÇö by toiling in slavery for generations (and then generations more as commoners) as in the mainstream Amarr religion, or by dramatic blood sacrifices of consecrated Minmatar slaves as in my sect. If "sin" were merely something transmitted by parents to children through the process of child rearing, then we could cleanse a line of sin merely by removing children born to tainted parents and having someone righteous (or perhaps some Imperial orphanage or what not) raise them instead. In this way we'd "cleanse" a line of sin in a single generation. But that's not the way sin is transmitted. Bloodlines do matter. That's why the Empire has a sort-of racial hierarchy of righteousness (True Amarr > Khanid > Ni-Kunni > Udorians > Minmatar, for example) that changes very slowly over time and while exceptions do exist (as in one of the remaining contenders for the Throne) the very fact that these exceptions are noted and thought of as unusual demonstrates the persistence of the general rule.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 236	Posted - 2015.12.25 10:59:44 - [206] - Quote Indeed, the parents' sins do accumulate on their children, starting with their ancestors' original sin of abandoning God. Thus God punishes those who, in their blind and rebellious selfishness, reject the truth. But one must differentiate between the sins inherited and the sins willfully committed through one's choices in life. For it is written: "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" Each new generation starts with no sins of their own, but only with the dark legacy of their short-sighted forefathers. Each newborn may yet be saved in the future, may see the light and redeem the curse of inherited sins weighing upon his soul. This task is hard, but, through the purifying devotion of oneself to God, it is possible. For it is written: "So the Lord sent forth the Chosen, to bring forth the light of faith And those who embrace his love Shall be saved by his grace" God's wisdom and mercy is all-encompassing. God is above understanding of a mortal creature. Who are you, Nauplius, to decide which soul is predestined to eventually be saved by God and which is not? Who are you to butcher hope, to interfere with the process of bringing the lost peoples to His light, the great Reclaiming of souls? Oh wait, you're the man who tried to write his own Scripture.
Nauplius Hoi Andrapodistai 577	Posted - 2015.12.26 00:39:40 - [207] - Quote Tamiroth wrote: God's wisdom and mercy is all-encompassing. God is above understanding of a mortal creature. Who are you, Nauplius, to decide which soul is predestined to eventually be saved by God and which is not? Who are you to butcher hope, to interfere with the process of bringing the lost peoples to His light, the great Reclaiming of souls? I bring God's light to the Minmatar slaves. They are instructed, brainwashed even, with the teachings of the Faith, the election of God, and doctrine of Hell. They are present at every sacrificial rite. And on occasion, one of them deciphers the meaning of those sacred rites, and makes himself Chosen by bringing death to his fellow slaves. O how great is God's mercy when a slave so becomes Chosen; an instant transformation from one doomed to the Pit to one who will see Paradise. Can your Faith, Tamiroth, do that?
Nicoletta Mithra Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 612	Posted - 2015.12.26 00:59:24 - [208] - Quote I'm quite sure that neither mine, nor Cpt. Tamiroth Alet Azaph's Faith cause delusions like yours, heretic. That's why you don't have Faith but are a creature of superstition and, worse, heresy.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 237	Posted - 2015.12.26 02:53:52 - [209] - Quote He's just hopelessly mad.
Tamiroth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 325	Posted - 2016.02.28 14:07:17 - [210] - Quote I considered to post most of this in Aria Jenneth's "Sojourn" thread, but decided not to derail it, and so this goes here. Seeing what Nauplius and many others like him do on daily basis and the aftermath of it... Is... unbearable anymore. One madman, no matter how industrious, can be impeded and ultimately eliminated. But he's not the disease. He's a festering pustule, but he's but a symptom. What that monster does with people casts a shadow not only on him, or all of Sani Sabik, or the entire Amarr Empire, because we were either unable or not willing to stop him. It casts a shadow on the humanity as a whole, because no other species are able to mass produce suffering on such scale as we do now with capsuleers' help. But first and foremost, it's the Jovians who are guilty. They started this horrid uncontrolled social experiment that should not be. Their poisoned "gift" started the human weapons race that allows things like Nauplius to exist. I curse them all and what they've done to us, and I reject their fake immortality and their technology, because I just can't... I feel disgust when I see the capsule interface again and feel the pod goo. Enough of this. I hate this. I refuse to participate in this experiment anymore. With this, I send all the best wishes to all the good people I met in SFRIM and other Imperial loyalists; and everyone else who managed to stay human despite the horrors that this Jovian trap brought upon us all. For now, it would be best for me to return home, to live in peace. See you :)

Sinjin Mokk Angelis Exploration 750	Posted - 2016.02.28 15:07:34 - [211] - Quote Walking away is still a choice and it does not absolve you of the very real and adult notion that you must accept the responsibility of your actions. We are capable of great horror, but also great good. In leaving, you cut yourself off the ability to be something better. But so be it. Go with God. I pray you find peace and I pray you find absolution. I doubt you will, but you have my prayers nonetheless. "The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
Ashlar Vellum PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 232	Posted - 2016.02.28 20:43:25 - [212] - Quote You can not run from what you are Tamiroth, especially knowing that there is still work to be done.


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