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Brother Todd	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:30:00 - [61] Originally by: Happster Originally by: Kagura Nikon Doubt it.. Rock would never hit the phoon for any considerable damage. Also Typhoon has lots of drones. My money would be on phoon. Well...ive seen a Rohk tank sentry guns+3 BS and some smaller ships. And he had no problem doing so.... So i doubt a single phoon would be able to do any deep scratches on it.... No single BS can tank another single BS... but 3 bs + some smaller ships, that's just pure bull****. Unless the other pilots were t1 fitted with low-damage ammo...
CRUSH3R Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.05 20:42:00 - [62] 6650mm t2, 2 L NOS mwd, 24-26 km disruptor, web\damper t2, 2dampers t2 lar t2, expl, kin, term, dc, 1600 damage rig + armor hp rig + whatever rig 2*t2 dampers with lev 4 skill on its strength is killing all bs lock range till 20-23 km. Raven\rokh have no speed to keep their lock range vs tempest, shield-tanks = no sb. it's not an uber-solo setup but 1 on 1 it can kill a large number of targets. Also you may try ecm med drones, sometimes they work.
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.05 21:47:00 - [63] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Originally by: Goumindong P.S. 45-50KM falloff max w/ barrage. Falloff rigs are nice. Unfortunately, ships aren't balanced WITHOUT rigs. WITH rigs, it is a disaster. Ships should be balanced pre-rigs, tbh. Otherwise, rigs just fall victim to the problem they were supposed to help solve: cookie cutter setups. Rigs were never supposed to solve cookie cutter setups... And if they were, well, i dont really know what the devs were smoking when they thought up that one. Anyway, before rigs its pretty balanced, and Active tanked raven is going to break eventualy due to cap and a passive tanked raven will not be strong enough to withstand the barrage. RIGS should have never seen the light... Pity the fool
Rehmes	Posted - 2007.01.05 22:20:00 - [64] Ive tried sensor damps on Rohks while flying the Tempest as well as the Tds they both work well. Besides tbh the Rohks dmg output is overhyped tbh.. The Tempest should fit 2 hvy nos ofc, and dont forget that the Rohk while having a nice passive tank it does have to sacrifice some of its mids for a mwd/scram even a webber tbh. That doesnt leave the Rohk with the uber tank people cliam it has. Its the same damned arguement over the Hurricane vs the Drake, The drake has to sacrifice some of its slots while the Hurricane does not. Simply play it smart and its and the match is yours.With Barrage ammo you could hit farther away from its optimal if you so wish.
Hydrian Alante The Loot Company	Posted - 2007.01.05 22:20:00 - [65] Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 04/01/2007 06:29:13 "The tempest can't outrange the Rokh. It can't outdamage the Rokh. It sure as hell can't out-tank the Rokh." It can out-track the Rokh. At which point the out-damaging and out-tanking tends to follow. (hey, a Caldari ship not immune to tracking disruptors. Who would've thought? ;s I think you are right! Especially the Tempest has enough spare med slots for some nasty electronic warfare mods.
Rehmes	Posted - 2007.01.05 22:28:00 - [66] Originally by: Hydrian Alante Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 04/01/2007 06:29:13 "The tempest can't outrange the Rokh. It can't outdamage the Rokh. It sure as hell can't out-tank the Rokh." It can out-track the Rokh. At which point the out-damaging and out-tanking tends to follow. (hey, a Caldari ship not immune to tracking disruptors. Who would've thought? ;s I think you are right! Especially the Tempest has enough spare med slots for some nasty electronic warfare mods. EXACTLY!! Use sensor damps or Tds the Rohk will cry and you will laugh
Kalek Astroth Amarr The Electrocuted	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:41:00 - [67] imo 2 H neut will help a lot to kill a raven also med ecm drones can be helpfull
velocoraptor Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.06 06:12:00 - [68] Originally by: Kenneys Umm nos domi kills everything including blasterthrons (tech 2s).. every single battleship you can think of. High slots : 4 heavy nos mid slots : Injector, mwd, 2 webbers, 1 scramb low slots : 1 large repper, 1 med repper, 5 armor thingies (hardeners etc etc) The only counter i can think of is a t3 battleship with 5 heavy nos, or a passively tanked ship.. which usually means it lacks either a scrambler, a webber, or a mwd = you can get away easily. Why are you complaining about a raven.. which is really quite pathetic in pvp, when you should be complaining against Nos. lol (i.e.): That Domi setup won't fit I think (maybe wrong), but in any case it would die quickly to a decent gankathron pilot. Even 2 LAR II's can barelly hold the neut thron (maybe not even those). Most probably it would also die to a nos-hype WITH tackling,speed etc mods. Domi was maybe overpoderedered.After ecm nerf it's not. Nos is a bit of an i-win, but not the Domi (it's still a very nice, versatile ship I fly it a lot and with good drone and other skills it stands a chance against many things and it's very good for a tier 1 BS. But not overpowered and certainly killable by many tier 1 (nanophoon anyone), tier2 and tier 3 BS's. Kali IS the goddess of destruction after all
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.07 13:29:00 - [69] Edited by: Niding on 07/01/2007 13:31:19 Edited by: Niding on 07/01/2007 13:30:11 Originally by: Brother Todd Originally by: Happster Originally by: Kagura Nikon Doubt it.. Rock would never hit the phoon for any considerable damage. Also Typhoon has lots of drones. My money would be on phoon. Well...ive seen a Rohk tank sentry guns+3 BS and some smaller ships. And he had no problem doing so.... So i doubt a single phoon would be able to do any deep scratches on it.... No single BS can tank another single BS... but 3 bs + some smaller ships, that's just pure bull***. Unless the other pilots were t1 fitted with low-damage ammo... Ive checked the loot of the BSs in question....T2 fittings across the board. But since I dont fly tempest/minnies im not going to join in on the discussion. I credit some of the kills to good piloting. I can see the very large dronebay of the phoon being a good asset (t2 heavies hurts) BUT the tank of a Rokh is just too heavy for a nanophoon to deal with. If the Rokh uses torps also, the phoon is history (remember. Id say most caldari pilots got tons of missile skillpoints). Ofcourse, it all comes down to how the Rokh config is, but Ill put my isk on the Rokh 9 out of 10 times. Niding hugs his abaddon and ponders*
Doffeh	Posted - 2007.01.07 18:03:00 - [70] Torps are very booring, coming at you all slow and all. Maybe I got it all wrong, but I never thought of BS' as solo ships. Also, I don't mind the rokh being better than a phoon or a tempest (in certain situations), as it is a ship demanding some more skills and more wallet. I do mind that maelstrom showing so little potential though.
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.01.07 20:28:00 - [71] use the magic nos, slap on 3, nos them dry, and kill them, tanks no worky too good with no cap, uber resists or not they go down eventually. Oh and use neutralizer drones as well. NOS/NEUT > All. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Ghengis Thar	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:51:00 - [72] Originally by: Kenneys Umm nos domi kills everything including ravens, rokhs, blasterthrons (tech 2s).. every single battleship you can think of. Heck, throw in every single cruiser, HACs, assault frigates, tech 2 ships etc etc. High slots : 4 heavy nos mid slots : Injector, mwd, 2 webbers, 1 scramb low slots : 1 large repper, 1 med repper, 5 armor thingies (hardeners etc etc) The only counter i can think of is a t3 battleship with 5 heavy nos, or a passively tanked ship.. which usually means it lacks either a scrambler, a webber, or a mwd = you can get away easily. Why are you complaining about a raven.. which is really quite pathetic in pvp, when you should be complaining against Nos. u absolute idiot any ship that doesnt need cap for its guns can pwn a nos domi without alot of trouble u just need to learn how quickly a gang of hammherhead IIs will kill all that domis heavys even if he micromanages his drones the relaunching them drops his DPS enough for a pest maelstrom vagabond sleipnir claymore muninn to tear through its puny tank with quake cos it handles like a cow and couldnt dodge a planet

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