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pr013ct 0v3rk1ll
Caldari
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:28:00 -
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for everyone that is like ZOMG CALDARI ARE SO OVERPOWERED ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG IM GOING TO WHINE ON FORUMS NOW!! have you guys ever thought of training caldari so then u2 r getting "all the cookies in the jar"?  
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Zeko Rena
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Posted - 2007.01.06 08:44:00 -
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Edited by: Zeko Rena on 06/01/2007 08:41:34
Good lord, im so sick of all the whiners about ships being overpowered, the amount of time some people spend *****ing could be used to try setups on there ships and find a way to take other ships like the rokh down.
Every ship fitting has a weakness, you just have to fit for that weakness, or like was previous said, train caldari, never heard of the phrase "if you cant beat em, join em"?
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Goumindong
Edited by: Goumindong on 05/01/2007 21:32:21
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Originally by: me
It wont hit 15km, but it will hit 17.08km optimal, the rokh that is. Math is further up the page.
ok fair enough, Rigs aside (especially two T2 rigs!), it ain't getting near that range... 
It can get close with tracking enhancers they are a 15% boost insead of a 20% boost.. 15.76km max range with 3 tracking enhancers or computers tech II
Argh!!...
Yes you couldà BUTà this æuberÆ, 'massive passive shield tank', 'breaks anythings tank' Rohk most likely has no low slots left.
Since the OP seems to have run away, we'll never know what this setup us - other than the strong suspicion it exists only in his/her head
P.S youÆve had me essentially arguing in favour of a piece of Caldari junk, I feel dirtyà
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Kuno Hida
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Posted - 2007.01.11 03:27:00 -
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I'm really curious to hear this too.
I'm trying to do the math, and I'm seeing that every relevant skill has to be at 5, with really deep pockets for him to be right.
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Shyalud
Celestine Prophecy
Divine Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:51:00 -
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I've been messing with a blasterokh setup lately and I can get 31km optimals on nuetron blaster IIs using T1 tungsten ammo. That's with the 1 each collision, burst, and discharge rig. 2 tracking enhancer II and a tracking comp II.
I can get hits in 150-300 at optimal range and can hit out as far as 50km irregularly. Using passive tank in addition to this setup, I can get resistances over 80% in all categories, and over 90$ for kinetic.
Now, I've only used it versus npcs to date, but it chews them up pretty fast, and can hit frigs pretty well as well (comparatively speaking)
I'm not sure I'd pvp with it, as it could easily be out ranged, but in a proper gang, it would make a welcome addition in the dps category.
not arguing that it is either overpowered or under, but to be honest, I've not been terribly impressed with it's performance so far. I'm still tweaking the setup however.
Oh, and just to explain those ranges, all my appropriate skills, including cal bs are at 5 that effect range. Just in case there are any "there's no way to get a 31km optimal from nuets" post on it's way. I promise you, I can.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:00:00 -
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all i can say is that i always fancies shyaluds avatar 
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Shyalud
Celestine Prophecy
Divine Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:06:00 -
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*shyalud winks at slothe 
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arbalesttom
Caldari
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Majutsu
No way can a Rokh be passive tanked effectively and have any sort of tackling/webbing ability. Obviously not needed if you're sniping, but for a blaster setup.
3xccc rigs and an active setup is far better.
No.
I found out that you will be far more cap stable with 3x core defence capacity sa***uard. With a neutron II, ccc rigs, active setup you will cap out after 5minutes, with the 3x cdcs it will cap out after 8+ minutes.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:56:00 -
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8x Neutron Blaster Cannon II (Null)
MWD II
Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II
2x Invuln Field II
LSE II
3x MFS II
TE II
DC II
ACR I
2x shield amount rig
That should get you to 20km optimal, a lot of effective hitpoints. I really don't see how that's overpowered though, an Abaddon can be fit to do DPS at a better range with more HP.
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Impolite Andevil
The Shadow Knights
Division of Eden
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:01:00 -
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Tell ya what, Tisanta. You bring your uber solo rohk to meet me. I'll bring my Nighthawk. You go ahead and unleash your 8 electrons of tank-breaking power on me, and I'll go take a nap. Tell me when you run out of ammo. Futhermore, since you are so sure of your setup's pwnage tank, I'll go ahead and shoot back. Since your rigs are all hybrid optimal, your 25k HP passive tank's regen is going be utter crap and even my heavy missles will drop you.
Here's the only setup I can find that actually comes close to your claimed numbers:
lows:
3x Draclira PDUs (lol)
1x Overdrive 2
1x Tobias Tracking Enhancer (snicker)
mids:
2x Estamel Invuln fields (lol! that still doesn't give you 80% em...)
3x LSE2
1x MWD2 (not quite 1200, but close)
highs:
8x Electron 2s (still only have 18.2 km optimal)
rigs:
2x t2 optimal rigs
1x t1 optimal rigs
So this uber-pwn setup that costs more than most fitted motherships and can't tackle has the MASSIVE tank-crumbling DPS of.... 355. Furthermore, it will tank a whopping 293 DPS continuously!
You sir, are an EVE master. I bow before you in awe....
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:03:00 -
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Year old necro FTL.
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Incantare
Caldari
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:41:00 -
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Ridiculous OP followed by sterile arguments. Nothing to see here apart from anti caldari bias.
Yes, I know this is a necro.
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Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Year old necro FTL.
yea, found it funny when that guy called out a ship setup from a year ago :).
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HarryManback
Minmatar
Conniving Opportunist
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:09:00 -
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There are rokh's out there that dont fit 2 estamel's invulnerablilty fields???
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Marcuis
Caldari
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:27:00 -
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Oh please stop complaining about the Rohk, yeah the rokh gets small speed boost, but think about it now all caldri pilots like myself know that is not owerpowered...so stop complaining bout it...running 8 Neutrons while having the Mwd and web, your run out of Cap faster then you can say Uncle with its small drone bay doesnt help either.? This post is just as bad as newbie Raven pilots havin stink about the Torps adjustment..As someone said in this post earlier every ship has a strong point and weak point its your job as a player to work and find them...If you cant thats your own fault.? Example I think its funny people telling me that my HAM Cerb cant hit them at 170km with ROF 1.5 secs......
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 07/12/2007 04:51:36
A bs without a point is useless. And don't use fake EFT situations that say "BUT HE HAZ A TACKLAR". Please define what "tackler" he has, because if hes got a massive tank and dps, the tackler will be primaried and killed before you do **** to the enemy, unless you're attacking some pve fit caracal.
Also, post DPS in your fake setups, not just what guns he has (since you probably arn't fitting any dmg mods to fuel your passive tank that can't tackle after the condor is killed.)
Edit: It's funny that people from a year ago do the same things they do today with the nerf-this-setup. To bad it raped the interdictors
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RoadKill101
Gallente
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2007.12.07 08:00:00 -
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so no evidence or research behind it, just a straight out call for balance?
NO DEAL!
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Xenny Lee
Minmatar
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Majutsu
No way can a Rokh be passive tanked effectively and have any sort of tackling/webbing ability. Obviously not needed if you're sniping, but for a blaster setup.
3xccc rigs and an active setup is far better.
There's nothing wrong with the Rokh, it's perfectly balanced. 
If ya go for passive recharge, your right, but if ya go for massive amounts of effective Hp, its a pretty damn pimp ship.
Can break a gank mega just on the passive amount of hitpoints, you won't end up with the recharge the drake has, but the drake melts once you have enough dps to break the recharge. Nor the dps of a mega, but it's a really nice albeit expensive mix.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.07 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Impolite Andevil
Here's the only setup I can find that actually comes close to your claimed numbers:
lows:
3x Draclira PDUs (lol)
1x Overdrive 2
1x Tobias Tracking Enhancer (snicker)
mids:
2x Estamel Invuln fields (lol! that still doesn't give you 80% em...)
3x LSE2
1x MWD2 (not quite 1200, but close)
highs:
8x Electron 2s (still only have 18.2 km optimal)
rigs:
2x t2 optimal rigs
1x t1 optimal rigs
So this uber-pwn setup that costs more than most fitted motherships and can't tackle has the MASSIVE tank-crumbling DPS of.... 355. Furthermore, it will tank a whopping 293 DPS continuously!
A good Rupture outdamages it, lol.
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Admiral Madbull
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:18:00 -
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All posts starting with xxx is overpowerd should be banned!!
its starting to get old, and damn boring attitude towards ships that has pwn you at one time.
this kind of posts are getting tiresome to read about on forums 
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Ogul
Caldari
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:47:00 -
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Isn't their a thread that sums up all Caldari pre- and misconceptions so the whiners can just link it?
Awesome necro btw, good for laugh.
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Leon 026
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: pr013ct 0v3rk1ll
for everyone that is like ZOMG CALDARI ARE SO OVERPOWERED ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG IM GOING TO WHINE ON FORUMS NOW!! have you guys ever thought of training caldari so then u2 r getting "all the cookies in the jar"?
That would involve using the gray matter in your head. So no, I dont believe that is an option for many.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Isseras Manufacture
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ancy Denaries on 07/12/2007 12:02:38
nvm
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Naviset
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:02:00 -
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The rokh is good, but its not really any better than the other tier 3s >.<
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The Djego
Minmatar
FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP.
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 07/12/2007 12:15:48
Originally by: Tisanta
and 8 t2 null weilding electrons with 2 damage mods not enough to break almost anythings tank then.. i dont know what will
A Mega with 7 T2 Neutrons and 3 Mag Stabs II.
This Post is stupid all the way, a Neutron Mega with Null will have no Problems to Hit at 25km. And there is no Way to get 1200 DPS with Null. I have nearly every Damage Skill maxed on Blasters and Drones and get this short Range with Void, 7 Neurons and 5 Ogre II(ok a bit more  ).
Rohk isnŠt overpowered for shure.
omg I fall for a Necro epic loose 
Nerf Tank, boost Gank! XD
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Naviset
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: Tisanta
and 8 t2 null weilding electrons with 2 damage mods not enough to break almost anythings tank then.. i dont know what will
A Mega with 7 T2 Neutrons and 3 Mag Stabs II.
This Post is stupid all the way, a Neutron Mega with Null will have no Problems to Hit at 25km. And there is no Way to get 1200 DPS with Null. I have nearly every Damage Skill maxed on Blasters and Drones and get this short Range with Void, 7 Neurons and 5 Ogre II(ok a bit more ).
Rohk isnŠt overpowered for shure.
Gank got raped by revelations. The introduction of rigs made everyone that tanks tank better and everyone that speedtanks faster. Damage has no place in this universe.
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The Djego
Minmatar
FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP.
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Naviset
Originally by: The Djego
Originally by: Tisanta
and 8 t2 null weilding electrons with 2 damage mods not enough to break almost anythings tank then.. i dont know what will
A Mega with 7 T2 Neutrons and 3 Mag Stabs II.
This Post is stupid all the way, a Neutron Mega with Null will have no Problems to Hit at 25km. And there is no Way to get 1200 DPS with Null. I have nearly every Damage Skill maxed on Blasters and Drones and get this short Range with Void, 7 Neurons and 5 Ogre II(ok a bit more ).
Rohk isnŠt overpowered for shure.
Gank got raped by revelations. The introduction of rigs made everyone that tanks tank better and everyone that speedtanks faster. Damage has no place in this universe.
Sad but true.
/me waits on a Damage Boost or Damage Rigs that will make sence to fit 
Nerf Tank, boost Gank! XD
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