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Stakhanov Gallente Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2007.01.05 14:39:00 - [31] While I enjoyed alliance chat for the short time I was in PC , it was of no tactical use - pirates were scattered around the whole galaxy , only a few neighboring corps might be able to help allies in trouble. I remember CVA sieging our home with impressive firepower , and no alliance fleet could be assembled to counter them. That is why the PC was meant to be neutral politically... Then comes the deplorable mail spam incident. You know something is wrong when a member corp refuses to kick one of their own who's spamming alliance mail and chat for childish reasons... as written above , it takes maturity from everyone to participate in alliance matters , this is also what killed PC. I think the corporation structure is much better for piracy , even when overgrown. I don't regret the lost NAP - it is better for everyone that natural selection applies to us pirates and not just carebear victims.
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.01.05 14:54:00 - [32] imho as long as PC end up in a state where they have dedicated actual lowsec pirates doing what they do best, without any corps adding problems or difficulty to PC as a whole, then perhaps its not all bad. A trimming process to their alliance surely wont hurt, your left with actual no nonsense pirates, and surely will gain more corps, as long as their leadership holds out to their original ideals/plan then it should continue to last as an effective pirate alliance. Ill believe the doom and gloom of an alliance down the pan when i see the remaining corps posting about its impending doom, and no sooner than that. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder typically
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 14:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Stakhanov While I enjoyed alliance chat for the short time I was in PC , it was of no tactical use - pirates were scattered around the whole galaxy , only a few neighboring corps might be able to help allies in trouble. I remember CVA sieging our home with impressive firepower , and no alliance fleet could be assembled to counter them. That is why the PC was meant to be neutral politically... Then comes the deplorable mail spam incident. You know something is wrong when a member corp refuses to kick one of their own who's spamming alliance mail and chat for childish reasons... as written above , it takes maturity from everyone to participate in alliance matters , this is also what killed PC. I think the corporation structure is much better for piracy , even when overgrown. I don't regret the lost NAP - it is better for everyone that natural selection applies to us pirates and not just carebear victims. Please get this through your heads, nothing has "killed" PC. If anything, when PC was at it's largest membership is the time it was being "killed". Now that we are down to the dedicated members, we are stronger if anything. I'd rather work with 40 Pirates who are dedicated, display quality and are loyal, than 4000 Pirates who don't care about cooperation and lack quality. If anyone wants to know the status of PC, just ask. Because people not in our Corps or Alliance are just speculating anytime they say something about us. Please stop pretending you know whats going on because you really have no clue.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:31:00 - [34] Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 15:33:12 Originally by: Stakhanov While I enjoyed alliance chat for the short time I was in PC , it was of no tactical use - pirates were scattered around the whole galaxy , only a few neighboring corps might be able to help allies in trouble. I remember CVA sieging our home with impressive firepower , and no alliance fleet could be assembled to counter them. That is why the PC was meant to be neutral politically... The whole idea of bringing all the corps together in same area was just this... so we could work as a team on common goals. We CERTAINLY were not all gonna come running to help one single corp who had only just joined PC and were based far away from everyone else. The day the smacktard called 'John' someone from Black Fleet spammed alli chat and mail all night I removed all my roles and was gonna quit the following day. Luckily they left the next day.... Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****. Anyway, onwards and hupwards, PC is far from dead.. I'll prove that when I blow your alts hauler up soon(tm)
Slarti The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:55:00 - [35] Edited by: Slarti on 05/01/2007 15:57:56 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 15:33:12 The day the smacktard called 'John' someone from Black Fleet spammed alli chat and mail all night I removed all my roles and was gonna quit the following day. Luckily they left the next day.... Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****. I can't speak for the Black Fleet guy involved in the alliance mail spamming incident (funny though it was), but it is typical of the reaction of one of the PC management to say no other Black fleet member should be posting in this thread. PC found out that being a dictatorship is not that best way forward...people voted with their feet. www.vogon.homestead.com
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:59:00 - [36] Edited by: Dr Slice on 05/01/2007 16:01:13 Originally by: Slarti Edited by: Slarti on 05/01/2007 15:57:56 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 15:33:12 The day the smacktard called 'John' someone from Black Fleet spammed alli chat and mail all night I removed all my roles and was gonna quit the following day. Luckily they left the next day.... Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****. I can't speak for the Black Fleet guy involved in the alliance mail spamming incident (funny though it was), but it is typical of the reaction of one of the PC management to say no other Black fleet member should be posting in this thread. PC found out that being a dictatorship is not that best way forward...people voted with their feet. www.vogon.homestead.com Tiller didn't say that no other Black Fleet member should be posting in this thread. Re-read his post and stop omitting text that suits your agenda.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Slarti Edited by: Slarti on 05/01/2007 15:57:56 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 15:33:12 The day the smacktard called 'John' someone from Black Fleet spammed alli chat and mail all night I removed all my roles and was gonna quit the following day. Luckily they left the next day.... Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****. I can't speak for the Black Fleet guy involved in the alliance mail spamming incident (funny though it was), but it is typical of the reaction of one of the PC management to say no other Black fleet member should be posting in this thread. PC found out that being a dictatorship is not that best way forward...people voted with their feet. www.vogon.homestead.com I'm not 'management' .. I'm just a pirate. He was the reason I was glad you guys left, thats just the way it is.
Intigo Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:13:00 - [38] Edited by: Intigo on 05/01/2007 16:13:24 The majority of PAYUS corps (atleast the ones I encountered in Genesis and nearby) were just free-riders and nothing special (MAFIA obviously not included). It was bound to happen eventually, they let in too many scrubs. PAYUS was more of a "yay, free kill!" than a "onoes, other piewats in Local!" experience. -- Piewat! Low SP piracy Now with more stories and small clips!
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Intigo Edited by: Intigo on 05/01/2007 16:13:24 The majority of PAYUS corps (atleast the ones I encountered in Genesis and nearby) were just free-riders and nothing special (MAFIA obviously not included). It was bound to happen eventually, they let in too many scrubs. PAYUS was more of a "yay, free kill!" than a "onoes, other piewats in Local!" experience. Agreed 10000000%
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:17:00 - [40] Best of luck to the new PC may your restructuring go well. Ha you think thats big wait till you see the next

Slarti The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:21:00 - [41] Edited by: Slarti on 05/01/2007 16:23:52 No Dr. Slice....Tiller did actually say in his post `Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****.' Black Fleet are hardly going to kick him just to have the privelge of posting in this thread, which was not even Tillers thread Thats all...nothing more to see.. www.vogon.homestead.com
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:36:00 - [42] At the risk of sounding like a complete ass... I told you all that this would happen before Red Navy and Black Fleet left Pirate Coalition. -Karlemgne
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:46:00 - [43] The day the smacktard called 'John' someone from Black Fleet spammed alli chat and mail all night I removed all my roles and was gonna quit the following day. Luckily they left the next day.... Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ***. Lets be honest now, Tiller. That was a response, perhaps a misguided response, but a response to John being told he was going to be tracked down and podded repeatedly for daring to disagree with the Pirate Coalition leadership in regards to the "100 million isk fee." It wasn't as if John Dean just out of the blue spammed alliance mail, it all had to do with Pirate Coalition leadership threating to pod him. Not the best way to deal with dissent in an alliance where people can just leave. Finally, I'd like to say that Black Fleet can post when and where we like. We no longer take orders, or even pleasent requests, from you (remember that 'order' to post against warp-to-0.) The fact is, we were IN Pirate Coalition for quite awhile, which gives us the authority to comment in a thread about Pirate Coalition... were this your* thread, I might take you half way seriouslly, but it isn't... -Karlemgne
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Slarti Edited by: Slarti on 05/01/2007 16:23:52 No Dr. Slice....Tiller did actually say in his post `Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****.' Black Fleet are hardly going to kick him just to have the privelge of posting in this thread, which was not even Tillers thread Thats all...nothing more to see.. www.vogon.homestead.com Yes, now you have it right. What you originally said left out the other part. Its important to quote an entire sentence, not just the first half to get your point across and leave out the rest. I'd also like to say all the hate generated against PC is actually good for us. Keep it coming.
Saint Bubba Minmatar S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:53:00 - [45] Originally by: Bob Clive This story made me feel sad. This kind of deal is EXACTLY why Privateers was formed. Pirates giving Pirates ultimatum's? Pirates charging other pirates admission fee's? I'm sorry but LOLLERSKATES! Consider leaving this kind of dumb guano behind and join us FFS. You won't be dealing with this kinda of garbage with us. Pirate whatever you want, wherever you want AND have the lovely bonus of LOTS of war targets. PLEASE! Why do privateers try to recruit in every bloody thread they see? Seriously, its getting really lame! I like your concept and your guys but give it a break. Originally by: Sakura Nihil That being said, the PvP Force is strong in this one, I forsee a good future full of whining carebears and jealous PvPers crushed under his heels .
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:53:00 - [46] Originally by: Intigo Edited by: Intigo on 05/01/2007 16:13:24 The majority of PAYUS corps (atleast the ones I encountered in Genesis and nearby) were just free-riders and nothing special (MAFIA obviously not included). It was bound to happen eventually, they let in too many scrubs. PAYUS was more of a "yay, free kill!" than a "onoes, other piewats in Local!" experience. Free riders? What? The use of the PAYUS name was not worth the 100 million isk enterance fee. No help was ever given (with the exception of Skywalker's dread once) during our many alliance wars. We faught the brunt of the war agains IAC in the Sotrenzur area, and as we were camped in station for hours, none of the 50 to 70 people in alliance chat would EVEN RESPOND to our repeated requests for help. The very least our alliance could of done was tell us "no." We never even got that. -Karl
Saint Bubba Minmatar S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Jovius Marginus Edited by: Jovius Marginus on 05/01/2007 03:58:03 TBH from someone who doesnt care from either side this is begining to annoy me. ISD guys pls start giving out forum bans to Privateer memebers who hijack threads with recruitment info outside the forum. They are doing it in basically every thread in General, Crime, and corp discussion. I agree 100% Seriously, glad to know im not the only one thinking this. Originally by: Sakura Nihil That being said, the PvP Force is strong in this one, I forsee a good future full of whining carebears and jealous PvPers crushed under his heels .
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2007.01.05 17:17:00 - [48] I blame it all on a certain Muffinman. Their corp returned to the PC and this person from the get-go had idea's of power and grandeur that did not line up with the PC. Even when we were organizing (well trying) an alliance op, this person was already on about creating a new alliance and scrounging up members from within the PC. I also blame Skywalker to an extent. He didn't show the leadership abilities to get anything done, until that fateful decision. Something definately had to be done, but I don't think that was the solution. I'll miss the PC in its previous form. I know our corp had a lot of fun being apart of it. I'll especially miss the gatecamps with Tiller and some of the roaming gangs that would form up and terrorize nearby systems. I'm sure MAFIA/PC will do fine in the future. There are some fine pilots in it with the ability to do a lot of damage. I'm also sure there will not be a shortage of pirates wanting to be apart of that mayhem. :) ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:11:00 - [49] Edited by: Lanfear''s Bane on 05/01/2007 18:11:51 Originally by: Current PC Members Ah ha! But these were our goals all along! Selective memories here ladies. Badly thought out and poorly organised goals coupled with weak leadership led to the drop in membership. Corps were expelled depending on what the leaders thought the member corps were doing rather than actually asking them. Insane charges were levied which are now touted as 'anti-incentives' to push away smaller 'NAP-grabbing' corps, whereas they were basically poorly devised extortion. No one asked the members of the alliance what they wanted or where they would like Pirate Coalition to go. A few power crazed individuals got on their high horses and whined amongst themselves, decided to follow thier own weak minded goals all the while patting themselves on the back and killed the Pirate Coalition. They then claimed that that is what they had intended all along. History is written by the victors and in this case there were no victors leaving your rewriting of history distasteful at best. Lanfear's Bane. Edit: Speeeeling. - - - - - - - - - - - Got Killboard?
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:18:00 - [50] Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Edited by: Lanfear''s Bane on 05/01/2007 18:11:51 Originally by: Current PC Members Ah ha! But these were our goals all along! Selective memories here ladies. Badly thought out and poorly organised goals coupled with weak leadership led to the drop in membership. Corps were expelled depending on what the leaders thought the member corps were doing rather than actually asking them. Insane charges were levied which are now touted as 'anti-incentives' to push away smaller 'NAP-grabbing' corps, whereas they were basically poorly devised extortion. No one asked the members of the alliance what they wanted or where they would like Pirate Coalition to go. A few power crazed individuals got on their high horses and whined amongst themselves, decided to follow thier own weak minded goals all the while patting themselves on the back and killed the Pirate Coalition. They then claimed that that is what they had intended all along. History is written by the victors and in this case there were no victors leaving your rewriting of history distasteful at best. Lanfear's Bane. Edit: Speeeeling. Well, I'm really not interested in rewriting history. I think PC has picked up the pieces and are moving on towards a better future. If its in your opinion to keep saying that PC was "killed" or whatever, thats fine; as long as you feel better I respect you Lanfear, so I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. I will just say it appears you have some pent-up aggression within you and maybe we can resolve it. Thats the only reason I can think of, for posting this thread in the first place. As I said earlier, if you want to know the status of PC, just ask us instead of relying on outsiders that "think" they know.

Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Dr Slice I respect you Lanfear, so I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. I will just say it appears you have some pent-up aggression within you and maybe we can resolve it. More sad than anything, I thought the PC was one of the best things going. Tighter organisation was perhaps required, not the whole carry on that happened. As for flaming, I also try not to, but I do get passionate at times about subjects I feel for. Lanfear's Bane. - - - - - - - - - - - Got Killboard?
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Dr Slice Well, I'm really not interested in rewriting history. I think PC has picked up the pieces and are moving on towards a better future. If its in your opinion to keep saying that PC was "killed" or whatever, thats fine; as long as you feel better I really hope you're right, and you probably are. Pirate Coalition should endure, despite this self-inflicted wound. But other than the whole "Pirate Coalition is dead" thing, I agree with everything Lanfear's Bane has to say. _ Do Unto Others.
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.01.05 19:17:00 - [53] Edited by: Xtro 2 on 05/01/2007 19:18:02 Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Dr Slice I respect you Lanfear, so I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. I will just say it appears you have some pent-up aggression within you and maybe we can resolve it. More sad than anything, I thought the PC was one of the best things going. Tighter organisation was perhaps required, not the whole carry on that happened. As for flaming, I also try not to, but I do get passionate at times about subjects I feel for. Lanfear's Bane. Im not that great at reading between the lines without 100% fact and i dont know the PC history/info but what in a quick brief explanation made it all come to this? Greed? Lazyness? Argument? Management Problems? When i spy or hear whispers from my buddies ingame about their own alliances the recurring theme seems to be greed/isk. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder typically
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.05 20:08:00 - [54] The Sanguine perspective: the charm for us to join was in the 'no politics, no holding space, little to no Blue, no bull****' 'rules' of the organisation. We could join and pirate where and when we wanted, and when big targets appear and/or our own small corp had few people online, we could join up temporary with the fellow pirates in the neighbourhood. Besides that, we would be able to rule our corp the way we see fit. The new ideas would change a lot of these simple rules (talk of NAPs, holding territory, concentration of corps, more corp ops, corp-tax, etc.). We didnt aggree on the new course, and therefore decided to pack up. We wish Skywalker the best of luck in the changes, having had to adapt ourselves, we understand it can require some hard and sometimes painfull choices.
Beowulf Scheafer Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:42:00 - [55] i think this whole thing is pointless, as there are always 2 sides and in this special case at least from my point of view both are understandable. of course if you are a leader (or otherwise in charge) for an alliance(like) organisation, you surely want to get this organisation to the top as a whole. because this is why you invest time and work in it to make it keep going. on the other hand in this special case the members in a way need to be able to stay in loose groups just for the aspect that they pvp to earn money with, not the other way round. if i have the luck to get a raven with an officer-sb together with my m8 (what happens by far not often enough), both of us earned alot of money for one days work and can be considered wealthy in a way. but who am i if i have to share it with the rest of the 20-guys-gang that were forced to all group in the same region... as mentioned above, i think both sides are easily understandable. and therefore i really think all of this treat lacks content tbh...
Skywalker Minmatar MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.06 12:26:00 - [56] PC was not working as an alliance even with 500+ members under it's wings. The alliance had no real power, not even the basic alliance tasks like cooperation and communication was working. It is easy to blame the leaders, we do mistakes also ofcourse. But, in this case when PC organisation was not working i can point out one single thing that, if it had worked would have turned the alliance into a stronger, more organized alliance. -That thing is Communication using teamspeak ! I tried so many times to get people to use teamspeak, that i in the end gave up. That is why the disorganisation and what you refer to as lack of leadership was present. Also this is why the alliance mails where so frequently posted in. Because it was at that point the only way to communicate. Some corporations that actually wanted to cooperate left the alliance after a while, because they saw it wasn't working. Like the corporation Armee der Finsternis, they came from a well organized alliance and was a great bunch. They had big plans and hopes on PC and was expecting alot of cooperation. When they realized cooperation was non existant, they left. I realized that without communication in alliance, we have nothing. It is in my eyes impossible to get an alliance working, when the CEO's aren't available. And it is really sad that a fundamental thing like failure of using teamspeak made this alliance to a big powerless umbrella for pirate corporations. This is why the 2 alliance operations i launched failed, the second alliance op was actually a last attempt to see if it was possible to do somthing with this alliance at all. If not, major decisions had to be taken. Now to the solution, how do you get a horde of pirates to work together, if the alliance is not claiming space that needs defending ? How do you make people cooperate if there is no actual part of the map that you need to control because of it's resources ? It is easier for a "real" 0.0 alliance, they have the npcs, complexes and ore to defend, that makes them work together in the same part of space. Since PC is not a territorial alliance, this had to be done in another way. As we all know "Money Rules", so we wanted to use tax as a tool to get the corporations to cooperate and work together as a "real" alliance. So we had 2 options left. 1. Kick out all the corporations not willing to use teamspeak and cooperate. 2. A more "friendly" approach, giving the corporations not willing to use teamspeak and cooperate a chance to still be under the PC umbrella. If they pay a tax of 100 million per month. I personally still don't see a problem with this. EVERY corporation had an option to continue in PC and avoid the tax. That option was cooperation. About the taxes: The tax was just a tool, it had nothing to do with greed, and since no one paid the tax in the end there is no need for discussing that either. When it come to the 100 million join fee, that was also a tool. We wanted to sort out all the unserious applications. I also offered the CEO's to put an alt in the executor corp Pirate Academy, that alt you could use to check the wallet transactions. I had nothing to hide, no greed involved, i am not that kind of person. If you missed out on that information, well then i guess communication as lacking. As a end note, i also want to say, that there will and is probably also alot of misunderstanding about PC from the former members. And this is nothing i am surprised of. It all comes down to the non existing communication. Those that say they wheren't in PC for the Umbrella, for what purpose where you in the alliance ? It's surely not for cooperating with other pirates, communication=cooperation. We might be decimated, but we are surely not dead. Now we have a great opportunity to build this alliance back up to what it should be, and that is a strong communicating alliance. We don't claim any space, we roam and we prosper. Apply now
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:13:00 - [57] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 06/01/2007 16:10:09 Ok who put this alliance drama thread in crime and punishment If I wanted to see this I'd go to the soap opera forums. Also Ex-Cursed Legion of Doom and Ex-Mafia member who left PC simply because I wanted this corpname lol I'd still fly with them if they wouldn't shoot me Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:28:00 - [58] Skywalker, you know I like you, so keep that in mind as I go through your post. The alliance had no real power, not even the basic alliance tasks like cooperation and communication was working. No, communication was working fine. The problem was a leadership that made participating in things like inter-alliance wars optional. PC's total aversion to claiming space, or helping anyone in the alliance out, also contributed to the lameness that was PC. That thing is Communication using teamspeak Are you really going to say it was the lack of TEAMSPEAK that caused the issues in Pirate Coalition? As I recal the last days of being in PC, you had no access at all to voice communication because of a dial up connection. What's more, a profound majority of the PC corporations DID have voice communication in the form of Ventrillo. It is in my eyes impossible to get an alliance working, when the CEO's aren't available. I'd just like to point out, when an alliance op was first brought up, you said it was a bad idea because nobody would show up. After it became clear that there was a little spoken support for the alliance op, and one was being planned, you made it clear that participation was not mandetory. After nobody showed up for the alliance op, you flipped your lid, and starting screaming, yelling, and going on about how no one showed up for the optional alliance operation that occurred in the middle of a war with LV and IAC. As we all know "Money Rules", so we wanted to use tax as a tool to get the corporations to cooperate and work together as a "real" alliance. So the idea was for you guys to extort 100 million isk a month from corps who refused to move to the same system Mafia was in? 100 million isk that was a huge burden to almost every corp in your alliance that didn't camp gates on a daily basis. And lets get things straight, we already lived in Heimatar at the time, and were told that unless we moved to YOU (within three jumps) we'd be charged the 100 million. Somewhere in here John Dean objected, defended our position, and was threatened by alliance leaders with podding and expulsion from our corp (how alliance leaders were going to boot him from our corp are beyond me.) Thus the origins of the whole "spam" incident. EVERY corporation had an option to continue in PC and avoid the tax. Yeah, every corp had the option of moving to wherever Mafia was, and being the *** (no offense) of Mafia and the Muffin factory, or pay 100 million isk a month to stay in an alliance which wouldn't help you under any circumstances (unless of course you WERE Cranberrry, Skywalker, or Tiller's **.) Those that say they wheren't in PC for the Umbrella, for what purpose where you in the alliance ? It's surely not for cooperating with other pirates, communication=cooperation.* We were there because we believed that Pirate Coalition was an effective alliance. We believed, when we joined, that we could count on our alliance for mutual aid and protection. Straight up. Once we realized that this alliance couldn't provide anything but a headache, we left. And just so it is clear, OUR corp was consistently among the top killing corps on the killboards, and the biggest belt pirating corp in the alliance. -Karlemgne
Tub0rg	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:26:00 - [59] I cant even understand why this TOPIC was created. Is this a buhuuu i feel left out from lanfear? Who gives if lanfear and black fleet thinks that PC is dead or not? PC is still here and i guess we will be here for a while... we dont have as many people in the aliance as we used to have but PC is still alive.
Fedaykinn Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.06 19:05:00 - [60] Edited by: Fedaykinn on 06/01/2007 19:15:51 Edited by: Fedaykinn on 06/01/2007 19:14:29 Black Fleet says they could rely on us for protection. But could we ever rely on you for Protetion? no not once. We were way too far away from each other, and not being able to travel through high sec space made that distance even longer. Somethnig that should have been 12 jumps became 50+ jumps. This is why we needed one mass movement to the same REGION not the same System. Most of the corps were blind to this and stayed put still expecting the alliance to help out even if youre like 60+ jumps away. Its not gonna happen which is why we needed a mass movment to start functioning as an alliance. If most of the corps had actually bothered to join teamspeak. Got to know the other alliance members we would have worked togeather much better. But most of the corps still wanted to do their own "Corp" thing in their own "corp" teamspeak/vent and didnt care about the alliance teamspeak or the alliance at all. So communication was bad and like Sky said alliance mail was really the only form of communication between most of the corps. But alliance mail is probably the worst form of communication for an alliance. When the Corps that did actually join Teamspeak and moved to the destiantion. We had gangs that were reaching 20+ players. We even managed to take down capital ships with these sort of gangs. And made Huge profits. And this was done just with 5 inividual corps working togeather Now imagine if most of the other 15+ corps had bothered to do this. We would probably have about 40-50+ pilot gangs. And even more in the region who we could call on. And you know that you could rely on each other. And even after most of the corps left the alliance. The ones that remained we knew we could rely on because they put the effort into it in the first place. The sad fact is most of the other corps didnt bother including Black Fleet, Newbies On Exstacy, Sanguine Legion and most of the other ex PAYUS corps that are trolling in this thread. If you guys had JUST bothered to move and not be so stubborn you would be looking at a much stronger PAYUS right now. So now we are only lookin for corps to join that put an effort into the alliance to make it work. That is how alliances function. And as for those corps that couldnt even be bothered to join the alliance teamspeak to talk to the leaders, you shouldnt have even joined the alliance in the first place And Lang how dare you say weve only managed 27 kills in the past 4 days. We have had 63 kills in 2 days (29-30 december) buit then we have stuff to do during the turn of the year so tbh mate F off. Everoyne cheack Pirate Coaltion Killboard To see an accurate reading of our kills and not Langs unfair figure of our kills.



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