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Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.04 10:47:00 - [1] Four days into the New Year and Mafia have scored twenty-seven kills for the PC. The other seven (I believe it is seven) corporations have scored zero between them. From a membership of over five hundred and fifty pirates working in a loosely cooperative group in Heimatar, Pirate Coalition's weak and disorganised leadership has seen it tear itself apart in a series of bad decisions and it's membership drop to well under one hundred. The original founders of the Alliance, for reasons that were badly explained and even more poorly backed up, decided that the Pirate Coalition a few months back needed a mass exodus from Heimatar and this was the order of the day to encourage working together and foster a greater cooperation within the group. This rushed decision was talked large and backed up by big promises of freighters and organised shopping trips to help cement the Pirate Coalition in Messoya. A whole new area to play in and carebears galore falling under our guns in comparison to the dry dusty Heimatar systems. Instead we met serious supply problems, a relatively quiet home system and a number of well organised and experienced in working together corporations quite happy to hunt down and kill the scattered small groups of Pirate Coalition. Whole corporations happy with their current systems were unwilling to move or arriving in ones and twos only to slip away again as quietly as they had arrived upon seeing the sorry state of affairs. Corporations were offered the ultimatum of 'Pack up and move up or pay up'. Fees of 100 million per month were imposed as membership to the corporations not willing to join the 'Move to Messoya' (the Pirate Coalition quotes this as a move to generate 'more targets', but these corporations are now all back in their home territories or have since moved). Corporations left or were kicked without warning or questions being asked. I think that unless the leadership of the Pirate Coalition has been learning fast or suddenly developed excelent leadership skills The Pirate Coalition Alliance will now only be a name carried by a few corporations in memory of a once beautiful ideal, rather than the lame dog waiting for someone to come and put it down that I feel it is now. I am not bitter that the Pirate Coalition has fallen upon such bad times, just sad that so many no longer want or feel that can be a part of the organisation. Lanfear's Bane. - - - - - - - - - - - Got Killboard?
Bob Clive Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 02:05:00 - [2] This story made me feel sad. This kind of deal is EXACTLY why Privateers was formed. Pirates giving Pirates ultimatum's? Pirates charging other pirates admission fee's? I'm sorry but LOLLERSKATES! Consider leaving this kind of dumb guano behind and join us FFS. You won't be dealing with this kinda of garbage with us. Pirate whatever you want, wherever you want AND have the lovely bonus of LOTS of war targets.
Jovius Marginus Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.05 03:57:00 - [3] Edited by: Jovius Marginus on 05/01/2007 03:58:03 TBH from someone who doesnt care from either side this is begining to annoy me. ISD guys pls start giving out forum bans to Privateer memebers who hijack threads with recruitment info outside the forum. They are doing it in basically every thread in General, Crime, and corp discussion.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 05:56:00 - [4] I'm very sorry to hear about the current state of affairs in PAYUS. I finally decided to join my current corporation when I heard that they had been invited to join Pirate Coalition. 100 million ISK, a few weeks and a lot of bad noise later, we left for the reasons Lanfear listed. With luck (and good governance), PAYUS can recover and rebuild. I truly hope there will once again be a day when ships bearing the Skull and Crossbones of Pirate Coalition will once again bring terror and financial setbacks to the galaxy. _ Do Unto Others.
Asha'Lil Minmatar The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 06:17:00 - [5] I'm here to back Banes post up. All true. Reason we left PC. __________________________________ Stay still! This wont hurt... Yarr!
Ju'Co Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 06:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Lanfear's Bane ...a number of well organised and experienced in working together corporations quite happy to hunt down and kill the scattered small groups of Pirate Coalition Rawr.
Super Twinkey69	Posted - 2007.01.05 06:30:00 - [7] Edited by: Super Twinkey69 on 05/01/2007 06:35:11 *edited 'cuz i am a nice guy,and although i dislike pc have feelings enough to simpathize for friends lost guess PC dont have to worry about continueing to concern themselves as perhaps being the oldest pirate orginization anymore,eh where will you all go?
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 06:34:00 - [8] From my point of view (not the alliances) it seemed maybe 80% of the guys in it were people who just wanted some 'free nap' and tbh was starting to extract the urine. The idea of 'alliance ops' was dreamt up to get abit of teamwork going and build the alliance profile in the public eye by traveling around to preset areas to cause mayhem and generally blow stuff up. Some time before xmas the first area was chosen and about 20-30 pilots traveled down (a pretty bad showing from over 500), but I thought 'hey not bad'... overnight it seemed most left again leaving about 8 of us to face CVA alone. We died alot in the coming weeks..... I guess pirates will always have a lack of interest in working together but even though this being the case we decided to try again and 'force' those who seemed uncaring to their alliance to either send some troops or help the campain financially. This desicion left most corps slowly dropping out... TBH I'm glad many left.. though there were some good guys scattered about, alliance chat was often full of + sec status pilots I'd never heard of and by looks of there bio's and corp historys had only ever shot veld before. WTF...... This brings us to today... Muffinmen have dropped out to play wars leaving only MAFIA active combined with BNK from merger. First plan for us new year is to recruit new guys into MAFIA and then build from there... if the 'core' corp is to small then there is no way a alliance could ever stand a chance of holding together.. What must be understood is that leading a group of scurvy evil barstewards is a tough job, and Skywalker.. hats of to him, has put alot of work in. I don't envy the position. PAYUS will live again soon (tm)
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 06:38:00 - [9] Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 06:39:51 Originally by: Super Twinkey69 Edited by: Super Twinkey69 on 05/01/2007 06:35:11 *edited 'cuz i am a nice guy,and although i dislike pc have feelings enough to simpathize for friends lost guess PC dont have to worry about continueing to concern themselves as perhaps being the oldest pirate orginization anymore,eh where will you all go? we're all going to jita to mine ice in velators
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.05 07:32:00 - [10] As I think someone else said.. Commanding a pirate Op is like trying to herd 100 cats down the street We aint exactly the easiest chaps in Eve to get to follow orders Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Calderio Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 07:59:00 - [11] Pirate corps are loners, when they do group together it never works effectivly for more than a week or so then they all start to roam about again. srry to see a bunch of scallywags break up though listen to me on bob radio, heavy metal, random babbling, and live forum coverage.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.05 09:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii As I think someone else said.. Commanding a pirate Op is like trying to herd 100 cats down the street We aint exactly the easiest chaps in Eve to get to follow orders Alliaanna nods Bring a flamethrower .
Slarti The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 09:31:00 - [13] Well said Lanfear. The decisions taken by, shall we say `upper management', were poor and only served to break the coalition. A once very good idea has been lost to satisfied the ego's of a few. www.vogon.homestead.com
NightmareX Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:18:00 - [14] Lanfear's Bane, your wrong in many ways here. First of all, Pirate Coalition is not even near to be dead. 2nd, we are just starting from a new fresh start, and then we are building up the alliance again to something that will be crazy and cool in my eyes 3rd, we are working better now when Beer And Kebabs have joined us in MAFIA, because we are a much stronger team now, and because the rest of the alliance is around where we are now. And when Pirate Coalition is getting bigger again, we wont be like we are now, we will be feared around in the EVE universe like the plan always have been. But it haven't been possible to become any feared earlier, but now we can, since we are starting from a fresh start
Nagissa Kaworu MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:38:00 - [15] I agree that PC has had some bad times, but i think now is definately not one of them. We are slowly coming back to a strength to be reckoned with, proven by the fight we had last week against Veritas!
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:43:00 - [16] I know my corp, like devilish said, joined Pirate Coalition for a short time because we had the belief that we'd be part of an alliance working together. However I'd like to make one thing clear, even though I don't really have to. eXin Alliance did NOT join the alliance to have easy NAPs or any some such free ticket...we joined because we were invited and were fully willing to work together in ops and move around whereever we were required. However, no offence, but due to someone's big ego and poorly considered plans that was even more poorly executed in PC, all that really happened was a lot of people crying and yelling, and I'm sorry but I have better things to do then sit and listen to that. I then pulled eXin Alliance out of the alliance on the grounds of poor leadership, disorganisation and, hate to say it but, childish hysteria. Simple as that I mean, I wish PC all the best of luck in the future...but it's a future I/My corp won't be sharing with them. - -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Nagissa Kaworu MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:02:00 - [17] To Cadela Fria: Nobody is pointing the finger to Exin alliance!! But the fact remains, that when the management decided to move and organize an alliance operation, 2/3 of the alliance didnt show up... WTF?? And the people that were there got slaughtered as a result. And the 2/3 of alliance that didnt show was not due to poor leadership but the unwillingness of certain corporations! That is why the decision was made that corps could either leave the alliance, join the core group or financially support the core group. A simple and effective solution, all the whiners and complainers have left and what is left is a strong and willing group of pirates! Nag.
Dana Barrett Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:11:00 - [18] The only criticism I have is that PC's selling point originally was a sort of "do what you want, wherever you want" attitude. You can't take corps who joined for this reason and wardec CVA without notice or consultation, and then not even require it to be mandatory, and expect them to show up.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Dana Barrett The only criticism I have is that PC's selling point originally was a sort of "do what you want, wherever you want" attitude. You can't take corps who joined for this reason and wardec CVA without notice or consultation, and then not even require it to be mandatory, and expect them to show up. QFT. If PC's leadership already knew that organizing pirates was like herding cats, then they should have known what would happen when they told the member corps, "You will come together and fight this war because we said so" and then, when nobody shows up, the new attitude of, "Alright, nobody's participating in alliance ops. You will move to one place so we can keep an eye on you." And they certainly should have known better than to issue such drastic orders without soliciting any feedback from the membership. And they absolutely shouldn't have tried to paint the corps that left as, "people who just wanted a free NAP." If the leadership wanted to kick out corporations who weren't upholding the traditions of the Pirate Coalition (be pirates, work together on occasion, don't attack each other), then they should have done so. Every corporation that joined Pirate Coalition was able to engage in piracy all on their own long before they joined the alliance (or else they would have never been invited in the first place). The leadership seemed to forget that. We are pirates, not soldiers. We don't have to follow orders that don't make sense. _ Do Unto Others.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:00:00 - [20] Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 12:03:23 snip, double post
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:03:00 - [21] Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 12:06:19 Originally by: Devilish Ledoux And they absolutely shouldn't have tried to paint the corps that left as, "people who just wanted a free NAP." Thats why I said 'in my opinion' Some pirate corps in PAYUS were all + sec status guys I'd never heard of.... somewhere along the line the word 'pirates corps only' got confused with 'haulers we don't want shot at by evil PC' How can a plus sec status guy be a pirate in low sec ?, it's total BS. (low sec is where PC operate) Again, IMHO, and spoken from the viewpoint of a 'minion' who just shoots things :-)
Skybar Minmatar Deviance Inc SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:18:00 - [22] While being a pirate in Heimatar I've been living side by side by many of PC's pirates. They've always been good guys to fight against, and to fight with. I've been interested in the PC myself, the idea is an interesting one. However, would there really be a need for an 'alliance', in that way? Yes, an alliance chat is neat, so is alliance mail. However, pirates are at heart, people of 'freedom'. Do what they want, when they want and how they want it. This normally means that when there is a good amount of targets, pirate corps will fight eachother over these targets. On the other hand, even if you have killed a guy some hour earlier but find a tasty ratting Battleship that you can't take down solo with your cruiser, you team up with him and go kick his ass and split the profits like brothers. The trust between pirates are as beutifull as friendship can go - No bull***, it's either are you with me cos you do see me as a 'decent enough' temporary* combat pilot to team up with, or if you don't like me - you attack me. I see the same kind of friendship between pirate corps aswell - Sometimes they agree that the local Anti-pirates may have too strong of a presence, so they go together and dispatch them. Sharing Voice chats/in-game channels and such at most. But after a while, when those targets are gone - it's back to basics. They blow eachother up, mainly for fun, but also they wish to beat them to prove themselves stronger or better. Therefor, I can understand the difficulties that may have been in PC. However, when they were running their gangs, you didn't want to get too close to them. Pirates in groups are most fierce ones, they love what they do, know what they do and they do it pretty well compared to other types of PvP'ers. However, I hope that you PC guys wont be abandoning the surroundings of wiskeber - messoya for good, you are nice people :) /Low-sec Pirate Please resize e-peen to a maximum of 150x40R, not exceeding 0.5kg, ty. If you would like further improve epeen please mail [email protected] - Rocco
Saerid Amarr FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:21:00 - [23] For once I have to say it sounds like the privateers guy was right (had to happen sometime). A more appropriate place for the piratical people than some pirates only or "pirates" only alliance. Higher numbers don't really bring much of a benefit to the average pirate, unless they start to operate in 0.0 in which case they're much like the other residents out there.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:09:00 - [24] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 12:06:19 Originally by: Devilish Ledoux And they absolutely shouldn't have tried to paint the corps that left as, "people who just wanted a free NAP." Thats why I said 'in my opinion' Unfortunately, it was an opinion shared by every leader I saw who bothered to respond complaints about the direction PC was moving in. _ Do Unto Others.
Destiny Calling Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:13:00 - [25] Edited by: Destiny Calling on 05/01/2007 13:14:30 I had a ***er reply yesterday but the forum died on me. The gist of it was Sanguine Legion > PC However I'll always be indebted to System lords and PC for my first taste of pirating all those months ago. edit: the ***** are those things you find on the xmas table with a bad joke and cheap toy in them
Dana Barrett Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:17:00 - [26] Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones.
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:20:00 - [27] Just a few thoughts. 1. Pirate Coalition is far from dead. In fact, we are rebuilding and getting stronger as time goes on. 2. Many of us have been on vacation, thus we haven't been too active in-game and our killboard reflects that. Its not very fair to look at our killboard during the holidays and use the low amount of kills as hard evidence that PC is dying. 3. Pirate Coalition Alliance is better off without those Corps that just wanted the PC Flag next to their name. Essentially we said "Put up or GTFO" and those that left the Alliance can be considered "trimmed fat". 4. There is nothing wrong with our leadership. The only ones who seem to think so are the Corps that left the Alliance because they didn't want to contribute. And if these people still have a bad taste in their mouth, of course they are going to smack us. 5. And this one is very important. With Kali here, it is more important than ever before for Pirate Corps to coordinate and work with each other. We have all the disadvantages lined up against us and non-Pirates have all the advantages. Larger Pirate gangs and stronger relationships solve most of these disadvantages.
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Saerid For once I have to say it sounds like the privateers guy was right (had to happen sometime). A more appropriate place for the piratical people than some pirates only or "pirates" only alliance. Higher numbers don't really bring much of a benefit to the average pirate, unless they start to operate in 0.0 in which case they're much like the other residents out there. I don't know why you think more numbers don't bring much of a benefit. Do you realize I rarely ever get a fair fight because I'm usually tanking sentries when engaged? More numbers is the perfect solution. Imagine that you and I are both in the same ship, have same skills and I'm outlawed you are not. I'm flagged to sentries and tanking them and you engage me. Guess what? You win. If I had a second ship with me, the odds even out alot. Moving to 0.0 defeats one of the main principles that PC operates from.
Nagissa Kaworu MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Dana Barrett Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones. Pfff yeah lets now start whining about the alliance mail FFS, very constructive Nag.
Dana Barrett Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:42:00 - [30] Edited by: Dana Barrett on 05/01/2007 13:42:46 Originally by: Nagissa Kaworu Originally by: Dana Barrett Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones. Pfff yeah lets now start whining about the alliance mail FFS, very constructive Nag. With that many mails floating around, who is going to look at alliance mail? There were mails from people saying "don't shoot this guy he's my alt" and "anybody got this for sale?" and "I'm selling this stuff!" etc. When important info is posted nobody sees it because most people gave up trying to sift through it a long time ago. I'd say that's a valid critique. edit: btw your sig is showing up in quoted info, may want to change that.

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