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Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.04 10:47:00 - [1] Four days into the New Year and Mafia have scored twenty-seven kills for the PC. The other seven (I believe it is seven) corporations have scored zero between them. From a membership of over five hundred and fifty pirates working in a loosely cooperative group in Heimatar, Pirate Coalition's weak and disorganised leadership has seen it tear itself apart in a series of bad decisions and it's membership drop to well under one hundred. The original founders of the Alliance, for reasons that were badly explained and even more poorly backed up, decided that the Pirate Coalition a few months back needed a mass exodus from Heimatar and this was the order of the day to encourage working together and foster a greater cooperation within the group. This rushed decision was talked large and backed up by big promises of freighters and organised shopping trips to help cement the Pirate Coalition in Messoya. A whole new area to play in and carebears galore falling under our guns in comparison to the dry dusty Heimatar systems. Instead we met serious supply problems, a relatively quiet home system and a number of well organised and experienced in working together corporations quite happy to hunt down and kill the scattered small groups of Pirate Coalition. Whole corporations happy with their current systems were unwilling to move or arriving in ones and twos only to slip away again as quietly as they had arrived upon seeing the sorry state of affairs. Corporations were offered the ultimatum of 'Pack up and move up or pay up'. Fees of 100 million per month were imposed as membership to the corporations not willing to join the 'Move to Messoya' (the Pirate Coalition quotes this as a move to generate 'more targets', but these corporations are now all back in their home territories or have since moved). Corporations left or were kicked without warning or questions being asked. I think that unless the leadership of the Pirate Coalition has been learning fast or suddenly developed excelent leadership skills The Pirate Coalition Alliance will now only be a name carried by a few corporations in memory of a once beautiful ideal, rather than the lame dog waiting for someone to come and put it down that I feel it is now. I am not bitter that the Pirate Coalition has fallen upon such bad times, just sad that so many no longer want or feel that can be a part of the organisation. Lanfear's Bane. - - - - - - - - - - - Got Killboard?
Bob Clive Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 02:05:00 - [2] This story made me feel sad. This kind of deal is EXACTLY why Privateers was formed. Pirates giving Pirates ultimatum's? Pirates charging other pirates admission fee's? I'm sorry but LOLLERSKATES! Consider leaving this kind of dumb guano behind and join us FFS. You won't be dealing with this kinda of garbage with us. Pirate whatever you want, wherever you want AND have the lovely bonus of LOTS of war targets.
Jovius Marginus Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.05 03:57:00 - [3] Edited by: Jovius Marginus on 05/01/2007 03:58:03 TBH from someone who doesnt care from either side this is begining to annoy me. ISD guys pls start giving out forum bans to Privateer memebers who hijack threads with recruitment info outside the forum. They are doing it in basically every thread in General, Crime, and corp discussion.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 05:56:00 - [4] I'm very sorry to hear about the current state of affairs in PAYUS. I finally decided to join my current corporation when I heard that they had been invited to join Pirate Coalition. 100 million ISK, a few weeks and a lot of bad noise later, we left for the reasons Lanfear listed. With luck (and good governance), PAYUS can recover and rebuild. I truly hope there will once again be a day when ships bearing the Skull and Crossbones of Pirate Coalition will once again bring terror and financial setbacks to the galaxy. _ Do Unto Others.
Asha'Lil Minmatar The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 06:17:00 - [5] I'm here to back Banes post up. All true. Reason we left PC. __________________________________ Stay still! This wont hurt... Yarr!
Ju'Co Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 06:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Lanfear's Bane ...a number of well organised and experienced in working together corporations quite happy to hunt down and kill the scattered small groups of Pirate Coalition Rawr.
Super Twinkey69	Posted - 2007.01.05 06:30:00 - [7] Edited by: Super Twinkey69 on 05/01/2007 06:35:11 *edited 'cuz i am a nice guy,and although i dislike pc have feelings enough to simpathize for friends lost guess PC dont have to worry about continueing to concern themselves as perhaps being the oldest pirate orginization anymore,eh where will you all go?
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 06:34:00 - [8] From my point of view (not the alliances) it seemed maybe 80% of the guys in it were people who just wanted some 'free nap' and tbh was starting to extract the urine. The idea of 'alliance ops' was dreamt up to get abit of teamwork going and build the alliance profile in the public eye by traveling around to preset areas to cause mayhem and generally blow stuff up. Some time before xmas the first area was chosen and about 20-30 pilots traveled down (a pretty bad showing from over 500), but I thought 'hey not bad'... overnight it seemed most left again leaving about 8 of us to face CVA alone. We died alot in the coming weeks..... I guess pirates will always have a lack of interest in working together but even though this being the case we decided to try again and 'force' those who seemed uncaring to their alliance to either send some troops or help the campain financially. This desicion left most corps slowly dropping out... TBH I'm glad many left.. though there were some good guys scattered about, alliance chat was often full of + sec status pilots I'd never heard of and by looks of there bio's and corp historys had only ever shot veld before. WTF...... This brings us to today... Muffinmen have dropped out to play wars leaving only MAFIA active combined with BNK from merger. First plan for us new year is to recruit new guys into MAFIA and then build from there... if the 'core' corp is to small then there is no way a alliance could ever stand a chance of holding together.. What must be understood is that leading a group of scurvy evil barstewards is a tough job, and Skywalker.. hats of to him, has put alot of work in. I don't envy the position. PAYUS will live again soon (tm)
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 06:38:00 - [9] Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 06:39:51 Originally by: Super Twinkey69 Edited by: Super Twinkey69 on 05/01/2007 06:35:11 *edited 'cuz i am a nice guy,and although i dislike pc have feelings enough to simpathize for friends lost guess PC dont have to worry about continueing to concern themselves as perhaps being the oldest pirate orginization anymore,eh where will you all go? we're all going to jita to mine ice in velators
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.05 07:32:00 - [10] As I think someone else said.. Commanding a pirate Op is like trying to herd 100 cats down the street We aint exactly the easiest chaps in Eve to get to follow orders Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Calderio Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 07:59:00 - [11] Pirate corps are loners, when they do group together it never works effectivly for more than a week or so then they all start to roam about again. srry to see a bunch of scallywags break up though listen to me on bob radio, heavy metal, random babbling, and live forum coverage.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.05 09:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii As I think someone else said.. Commanding a pirate Op is like trying to herd 100 cats down the street We aint exactly the easiest chaps in Eve to get to follow orders Alliaanna nods Bring a flamethrower .
Slarti The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 09:31:00 - [13] Well said Lanfear. The decisions taken by, shall we say `upper management', were poor and only served to break the coalition. A once very good idea has been lost to satisfied the ego's of a few. www.vogon.homestead.com
NightmareX Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:18:00 - [14] Lanfear's Bane, your wrong in many ways here. First of all, Pirate Coalition is not even near to be dead. 2nd, we are just starting from a new fresh start, and then we are building up the alliance again to something that will be crazy and cool in my eyes 3rd, we are working better now when Beer And Kebabs have joined us in MAFIA, because we are a much stronger team now, and because the rest of the alliance is around where we are now. And when Pirate Coalition is getting bigger again, we wont be like we are now, we will be feared around in the EVE universe like the plan always have been. But it haven't been possible to become any feared earlier, but now we can, since we are starting from a fresh start
Nagissa Kaworu MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:38:00 - [15] I agree that PC has had some bad times, but i think now is definately not one of them. We are slowly coming back to a strength to be reckoned with, proven by the fight we had last week against Veritas!
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:43:00 - [16] I know my corp, like devilish said, joined Pirate Coalition for a short time because we had the belief that we'd be part of an alliance working together. However I'd like to make one thing clear, even though I don't really have to. eXin Alliance did NOT join the alliance to have easy NAPs or any some such free ticket...we joined because we were invited and were fully willing to work together in ops and move around whereever we were required. However, no offence, but due to someone's big ego and poorly considered plans that was even more poorly executed in PC, all that really happened was a lot of people crying and yelling, and I'm sorry but I have better things to do then sit and listen to that. I then pulled eXin Alliance out of the alliance on the grounds of poor leadership, disorganisation and, hate to say it but, childish hysteria. Simple as that I mean, I wish PC all the best of luck in the future...but it's a future I/My corp won't be sharing with them. - -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Nagissa Kaworu MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:02:00 - [17] To Cadela Fria: Nobody is pointing the finger to Exin alliance!! But the fact remains, that when the management decided to move and organize an alliance operation, 2/3 of the alliance didnt show up... WTF?? And the people that were there got slaughtered as a result. And the 2/3 of alliance that didnt show was not due to poor leadership but the unwillingness of certain corporations! That is why the decision was made that corps could either leave the alliance, join the core group or financially support the core group. A simple and effective solution, all the whiners and complainers have left and what is left is a strong and willing group of pirates! Nag.
Dana Barrett Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:11:00 - [18] The only criticism I have is that PC's selling point originally was a sort of "do what you want, wherever you want" attitude. You can't take corps who joined for this reason and wardec CVA without notice or consultation, and then not even require it to be mandatory, and expect them to show up.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Dana Barrett The only criticism I have is that PC's selling point originally was a sort of "do what you want, wherever you want" attitude. You can't take corps who joined for this reason and wardec CVA without notice or consultation, and then not even require it to be mandatory, and expect them to show up. QFT. If PC's leadership already knew that organizing pirates was like herding cats, then they should have known what would happen when they told the member corps, "You will come together and fight this war because we said so" and then, when nobody shows up, the new attitude of, "Alright, nobody's participating in alliance ops. You will move to one place so we can keep an eye on you." And they certainly should have known better than to issue such drastic orders without soliciting any feedback from the membership. And they absolutely shouldn't have tried to paint the corps that left as, "people who just wanted a free NAP." If the leadership wanted to kick out corporations who weren't upholding the traditions of the Pirate Coalition (be pirates, work together on occasion, don't attack each other), then they should have done so. Every corporation that joined Pirate Coalition was able to engage in piracy all on their own long before they joined the alliance (or else they would have never been invited in the first place). The leadership seemed to forget that. We are pirates, not soldiers. We don't have to follow orders that don't make sense. _ Do Unto Others.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:00:00 - [20] Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 12:03:23 snip, double post
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:03:00 - [21] Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 12:06:19 Originally by: Devilish Ledoux And they absolutely shouldn't have tried to paint the corps that left as, "people who just wanted a free NAP." Thats why I said 'in my opinion' Some pirate corps in PAYUS were all + sec status guys I'd never heard of.... somewhere along the line the word 'pirates corps only' got confused with 'haulers we don't want shot at by evil PC' How can a plus sec status guy be a pirate in low sec ?, it's total BS. (low sec is where PC operate) Again, IMHO, and spoken from the viewpoint of a 'minion' who just shoots things :-)
Skybar Minmatar Deviance Inc SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:18:00 - [22] While being a pirate in Heimatar I've been living side by side by many of PC's pirates. They've always been good guys to fight against, and to fight with. I've been interested in the PC myself, the idea is an interesting one. However, would there really be a need for an 'alliance', in that way? Yes, an alliance chat is neat, so is alliance mail. However, pirates are at heart, people of 'freedom'. Do what they want, when they want and how they want it. This normally means that when there is a good amount of targets, pirate corps will fight eachother over these targets. On the other hand, even if you have killed a guy some hour earlier but find a tasty ratting Battleship that you can't take down solo with your cruiser, you team up with him and go kick his ass and split the profits like brothers. The trust between pirates are as beutifull as friendship can go - No bull***, it's either are you with me cos you do see me as a 'decent enough' temporary* combat pilot to team up with, or if you don't like me - you attack me. I see the same kind of friendship between pirate corps aswell - Sometimes they agree that the local Anti-pirates may have too strong of a presence, so they go together and dispatch them. Sharing Voice chats/in-game channels and such at most. But after a while, when those targets are gone - it's back to basics. They blow eachother up, mainly for fun, but also they wish to beat them to prove themselves stronger or better. Therefor, I can understand the difficulties that may have been in PC. However, when they were running their gangs, you didn't want to get too close to them. Pirates in groups are most fierce ones, they love what they do, know what they do and they do it pretty well compared to other types of PvP'ers. However, I hope that you PC guys wont be abandoning the surroundings of wiskeber - messoya for good, you are nice people :) /Low-sec Pirate Please resize e-peen to a maximum of 150x40R, not exceeding 0.5kg, ty. If you would like further improve epeen please mail [email protected] - Rocco
Saerid Amarr FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:21:00 - [23] For once I have to say it sounds like the privateers guy was right (had to happen sometime). A more appropriate place for the piratical people than some pirates only or "pirates" only alliance. Higher numbers don't really bring much of a benefit to the average pirate, unless they start to operate in 0.0 in which case they're much like the other residents out there.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:09:00 - [24] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 12:06:19 Originally by: Devilish Ledoux And they absolutely shouldn't have tried to paint the corps that left as, "people who just wanted a free NAP." Thats why I said 'in my opinion' Unfortunately, it was an opinion shared by every leader I saw who bothered to respond complaints about the direction PC was moving in. _ Do Unto Others.
Destiny Calling Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:13:00 - [25] Edited by: Destiny Calling on 05/01/2007 13:14:30 I had a ***er reply yesterday but the forum died on me. The gist of it was Sanguine Legion > PC However I'll always be indebted to System lords and PC for my first taste of pirating all those months ago. edit: the ***** are those things you find on the xmas table with a bad joke and cheap toy in them
Dana Barrett Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:17:00 - [26] Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones.
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:20:00 - [27] Just a few thoughts. 1. Pirate Coalition is far from dead. In fact, we are rebuilding and getting stronger as time goes on. 2. Many of us have been on vacation, thus we haven't been too active in-game and our killboard reflects that. Its not very fair to look at our killboard during the holidays and use the low amount of kills as hard evidence that PC is dying. 3. Pirate Coalition Alliance is better off without those Corps that just wanted the PC Flag next to their name. Essentially we said "Put up or GTFO" and those that left the Alliance can be considered "trimmed fat". 4. There is nothing wrong with our leadership. The only ones who seem to think so are the Corps that left the Alliance because they didn't want to contribute. And if these people still have a bad taste in their mouth, of course they are going to smack us. 5. And this one is very important. With Kali here, it is more important than ever before for Pirate Corps to coordinate and work with each other. We have all the disadvantages lined up against us and non-Pirates have all the advantages. Larger Pirate gangs and stronger relationships solve most of these disadvantages.
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Saerid For once I have to say it sounds like the privateers guy was right (had to happen sometime). A more appropriate place for the piratical people than some pirates only or "pirates" only alliance. Higher numbers don't really bring much of a benefit to the average pirate, unless they start to operate in 0.0 in which case they're much like the other residents out there. I don't know why you think more numbers don't bring much of a benefit. Do you realize I rarely ever get a fair fight because I'm usually tanking sentries when engaged? More numbers is the perfect solution. Imagine that you and I are both in the same ship, have same skills and I'm outlawed you are not. I'm flagged to sentries and tanking them and you engage me. Guess what? You win. If I had a second ship with me, the odds even out alot. Moving to 0.0 defeats one of the main principles that PC operates from.
Nagissa Kaworu MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Dana Barrett Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones. Pfff yeah lets now start whining about the alliance mail FFS, very constructive Nag.
Dana Barrett Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:42:00 - [30] Edited by: Dana Barrett on 05/01/2007 13:42:46 Originally by: Nagissa Kaworu Originally by: Dana Barrett Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones. Pfff yeah lets now start whining about the alliance mail FFS, very constructive Nag. With that many mails floating around, who is going to look at alliance mail? There were mails from people saying "don't shoot this guy he's my alt" and "anybody got this for sale?" and "I'm selling this stuff!" etc. When important info is posted nobody sees it because most people gave up trying to sift through it a long time ago. I'd say that's a valid critique. edit: btw your sig is showing up in quoted info, may want to change that.
Stakhanov Gallente Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2007.01.05 14:39:00 - [31] While I enjoyed alliance chat for the short time I was in PC , it was of no tactical use - pirates were scattered around the whole galaxy , only a few neighboring corps might be able to help allies in trouble. I remember CVA sieging our home with impressive firepower , and no alliance fleet could be assembled to counter them. That is why the PC was meant to be neutral politically... Then comes the deplorable mail spam incident. You know something is wrong when a member corp refuses to kick one of their own who's spamming alliance mail and chat for childish reasons... as written above , it takes maturity from everyone to participate in alliance matters , this is also what killed PC. I think the corporation structure is much better for piracy , even when overgrown. I don't regret the lost NAP - it is better for everyone that natural selection applies to us pirates and not just carebear victims.
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.01.05 14:54:00 - [32] imho as long as PC end up in a state where they have dedicated actual lowsec pirates doing what they do best, without any corps adding problems or difficulty to PC as a whole, then perhaps its not all bad. A trimming process to their alliance surely wont hurt, your left with actual no nonsense pirates, and surely will gain more corps, as long as their leadership holds out to their original ideals/plan then it should continue to last as an effective pirate alliance. Ill believe the doom and gloom of an alliance down the pan when i see the remaining corps posting about its impending doom, and no sooner than that. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder typically
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 14:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Stakhanov While I enjoyed alliance chat for the short time I was in PC , it was of no tactical use - pirates were scattered around the whole galaxy , only a few neighboring corps might be able to help allies in trouble. I remember CVA sieging our home with impressive firepower , and no alliance fleet could be assembled to counter them. That is why the PC was meant to be neutral politically... Then comes the deplorable mail spam incident. You know something is wrong when a member corp refuses to kick one of their own who's spamming alliance mail and chat for childish reasons... as written above , it takes maturity from everyone to participate in alliance matters , this is also what killed PC. I think the corporation structure is much better for piracy , even when overgrown. I don't regret the lost NAP - it is better for everyone that natural selection applies to us pirates and not just carebear victims. Please get this through your heads, nothing has "killed" PC. If anything, when PC was at it's largest membership is the time it was being "killed". Now that we are down to the dedicated members, we are stronger if anything. I'd rather work with 40 Pirates who are dedicated, display quality and are loyal, than 4000 Pirates who don't care about cooperation and lack quality. If anyone wants to know the status of PC, just ask. Because people not in our Corps or Alliance are just speculating anytime they say something about us. Please stop pretending you know whats going on because you really have no clue.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:31:00 - [34] Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 15:33:12 Originally by: Stakhanov While I enjoyed alliance chat for the short time I was in PC , it was of no tactical use - pirates were scattered around the whole galaxy , only a few neighboring corps might be able to help allies in trouble. I remember CVA sieging our home with impressive firepower , and no alliance fleet could be assembled to counter them. That is why the PC was meant to be neutral politically... The whole idea of bringing all the corps together in same area was just this... so we could work as a team on common goals. We CERTAINLY were not all gonna come running to help one single corp who had only just joined PC and were based far away from everyone else. The day the smacktard called 'John' someone from Black Fleet spammed alli chat and mail all night I removed all my roles and was gonna quit the following day. Luckily they left the next day.... Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****. Anyway, onwards and hupwards, PC is far from dead.. I'll prove that when I blow your alts hauler up soon(tm)
Slarti The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:55:00 - [35] Edited by: Slarti on 05/01/2007 15:57:56 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 15:33:12 The day the smacktard called 'John' someone from Black Fleet spammed alli chat and mail all night I removed all my roles and was gonna quit the following day. Luckily they left the next day.... Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****. I can't speak for the Black Fleet guy involved in the alliance mail spamming incident (funny though it was), but it is typical of the reaction of one of the PC management to say no other Black fleet member should be posting in this thread. PC found out that being a dictatorship is not that best way forward...people voted with their feet. www.vogon.homestead.com
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:59:00 - [36] Edited by: Dr Slice on 05/01/2007 16:01:13 Originally by: Slarti Edited by: Slarti on 05/01/2007 15:57:56 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 15:33:12 The day the smacktard called 'John' someone from Black Fleet spammed alli chat and mail all night I removed all my roles and was gonna quit the following day. Luckily they left the next day.... Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****. I can't speak for the Black Fleet guy involved in the alliance mail spamming incident (funny though it was), but it is typical of the reaction of one of the PC management to say no other Black fleet member should be posting in this thread. PC found out that being a dictatorship is not that best way forward...people voted with their feet. www.vogon.homestead.com Tiller didn't say that no other Black Fleet member should be posting in this thread. Re-read his post and stop omitting text that suits your agenda.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:12:00 - [37] Originally by: Slarti Edited by: Slarti on 05/01/2007 15:57:56 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 05/01/2007 15:33:12 The day the smacktard called 'John' someone from Black Fleet spammed alli chat and mail all night I removed all my roles and was gonna quit the following day. Luckily they left the next day.... Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****. I can't speak for the Black Fleet guy involved in the alliance mail spamming incident (funny though it was), but it is typical of the reaction of one of the PC management to say no other Black fleet member should be posting in this thread. PC found out that being a dictatorship is not that best way forward...people voted with their feet. www.vogon.homestead.com I'm not 'management' .. I'm just a pirate. He was the reason I was glad you guys left, thats just the way it is.
Intigo Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:13:00 - [38] Edited by: Intigo on 05/01/2007 16:13:24 The majority of PAYUS corps (atleast the ones I encountered in Genesis and nearby) were just free-riders and nothing special (MAFIA obviously not included). It was bound to happen eventually, they let in too many scrubs. PAYUS was more of a "yay, free kill!" than a "onoes, other piewats in Local!" experience. -- Piewat! Low SP piracy Now with more stories and small clips!
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:14:00 - [39] Originally by: Intigo Edited by: Intigo on 05/01/2007 16:13:24 The majority of PAYUS corps (atleast the ones I encountered in Genesis and nearby) were just free-riders and nothing special (MAFIA obviously not included). It was bound to happen eventually, they let in too many scrubs. PAYUS was more of a "yay, free kill!" than a "onoes, other piewats in Local!" experience. Agreed 10000000%
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:17:00 - [40] Best of luck to the new PC may your restructuring go well. Ha you think thats big wait till you see the next
Slarti The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:21:00 - [41] Edited by: Slarti on 05/01/2007 16:23:52 No Dr. Slice....Tiller did actually say in his post `Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****.' Black Fleet are hardly going to kick him just to have the privelge of posting in this thread, which was not even Tillers thread Thats all...nothing more to see.. www.vogon.homestead.com
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:36:00 - [42] At the risk of sounding like a complete ass... I told you all that this would happen before Red Navy and Black Fleet left Pirate Coalition. -Karlemgne
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:46:00 - [43] The day the smacktard called 'John' someone from Black Fleet spammed alli chat and mail all night I removed all my roles and was gonna quit the following day. Luckily they left the next day.... Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ***. Lets be honest now, Tiller. That was a response, perhaps a misguided response, but a response to John being told he was going to be tracked down and podded repeatedly for daring to disagree with the Pirate Coalition leadership in regards to the "100 million isk fee." It wasn't as if John Dean just out of the blue spammed alliance mail, it all had to do with Pirate Coalition leadership threating to pod him. Not the best way to deal with dissent in an alliance where people can just leave. Finally, I'd like to say that Black Fleet can post when and where we like. We no longer take orders, or even pleasent requests, from you (remember that 'order' to post against warp-to-0.) The fact is, we were IN Pirate Coalition for quite awhile, which gives us the authority to comment in a thread about Pirate Coalition... were this your* thread, I might take you half way seriouslly, but it isn't... -Karlemgne
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:53:00 - [44] Originally by: Slarti Edited by: Slarti on 05/01/2007 16:23:52 No Dr. Slice....Tiller did actually say in his post `Black Fleet IMHO should not even be posting in this thread if that member is still in their corp....was outrageous display of being a ****.' Black Fleet are hardly going to kick him just to have the privelge of posting in this thread, which was not even Tillers thread Thats all...nothing more to see.. www.vogon.homestead.com Yes, now you have it right. What you originally said left out the other part. Its important to quote an entire sentence, not just the first half to get your point across and leave out the rest. I'd also like to say all the hate generated against PC is actually good for us. Keep it coming.
Saint Bubba Minmatar S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:53:00 - [45] Originally by: Bob Clive This story made me feel sad. This kind of deal is EXACTLY why Privateers was formed. Pirates giving Pirates ultimatum's? Pirates charging other pirates admission fee's? I'm sorry but LOLLERSKATES! Consider leaving this kind of dumb guano behind and join us FFS. You won't be dealing with this kinda of garbage with us. Pirate whatever you want, wherever you want AND have the lovely bonus of LOTS of war targets. PLEASE! Why do privateers try to recruit in every bloody thread they see? Seriously, its getting really lame! I like your concept and your guys but give it a break. Originally by: Sakura Nihil That being said, the PvP Force is strong in this one, I forsee a good future full of whining carebears and jealous PvPers crushed under his heels .
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:53:00 - [46] Originally by: Intigo Edited by: Intigo on 05/01/2007 16:13:24 The majority of PAYUS corps (atleast the ones I encountered in Genesis and nearby) were just free-riders and nothing special (MAFIA obviously not included). It was bound to happen eventually, they let in too many scrubs. PAYUS was more of a "yay, free kill!" than a "onoes, other piewats in Local!" experience. Free riders? What? The use of the PAYUS name was not worth the 100 million isk enterance fee. No help was ever given (with the exception of Skywalker's dread once) during our many alliance wars. We faught the brunt of the war agains IAC in the Sotrenzur area, and as we were camped in station for hours, none of the 50 to 70 people in alliance chat would EVEN RESPOND to our repeated requests for help. The very least our alliance could of done was tell us "no." We never even got that. -Karl
Saint Bubba Minmatar S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Jovius Marginus Edited by: Jovius Marginus on 05/01/2007 03:58:03 TBH from someone who doesnt care from either side this is begining to annoy me. ISD guys pls start giving out forum bans to Privateer memebers who hijack threads with recruitment info outside the forum. They are doing it in basically every thread in General, Crime, and corp discussion. I agree 100% Seriously, glad to know im not the only one thinking this. Originally by: Sakura Nihil That being said, the PvP Force is strong in this one, I forsee a good future full of whining carebears and jealous PvPers crushed under his heels .
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2007.01.05 17:17:00 - [48] I blame it all on a certain Muffinman. Their corp returned to the PC and this person from the get-go had idea's of power and grandeur that did not line up with the PC. Even when we were organizing (well trying) an alliance op, this person was already on about creating a new alliance and scrounging up members from within the PC. I also blame Skywalker to an extent. He didn't show the leadership abilities to get anything done, until that fateful decision. Something definately had to be done, but I don't think that was the solution. I'll miss the PC in its previous form. I know our corp had a lot of fun being apart of it. I'll especially miss the gatecamps with Tiller and some of the roaming gangs that would form up and terrorize nearby systems. I'm sure MAFIA/PC will do fine in the future. There are some fine pilots in it with the ability to do a lot of damage. I'm also sure there will not be a shortage of pirates wanting to be apart of that mayhem. :) ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:11:00 - [49] Edited by: Lanfear''s Bane on 05/01/2007 18:11:51 Originally by: Current PC Members Ah ha! But these were our goals all along! Selective memories here ladies. Badly thought out and poorly organised goals coupled with weak leadership led to the drop in membership. Corps were expelled depending on what the leaders thought the member corps were doing rather than actually asking them. Insane charges were levied which are now touted as 'anti-incentives' to push away smaller 'NAP-grabbing' corps, whereas they were basically poorly devised extortion. No one asked the members of the alliance what they wanted or where they would like Pirate Coalition to go. A few power crazed individuals got on their high horses and whined amongst themselves, decided to follow thier own weak minded goals all the while patting themselves on the back and killed the Pirate Coalition. They then claimed that that is what they had intended all along. History is written by the victors and in this case there were no victors leaving your rewriting of history distasteful at best. Lanfear's Bane. Edit: Speeeeling. - - - - - - - - - - - Got Killboard?
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:18:00 - [50] Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Edited by: Lanfear''s Bane on 05/01/2007 18:11:51 Originally by: Current PC Members Ah ha! But these were our goals all along! Selective memories here ladies. Badly thought out and poorly organised goals coupled with weak leadership led to the drop in membership. Corps were expelled depending on what the leaders thought the member corps were doing rather than actually asking them. Insane charges were levied which are now touted as 'anti-incentives' to push away smaller 'NAP-grabbing' corps, whereas they were basically poorly devised extortion. No one asked the members of the alliance what they wanted or where they would like Pirate Coalition to go. A few power crazed individuals got on their high horses and whined amongst themselves, decided to follow thier own weak minded goals all the while patting themselves on the back and killed the Pirate Coalition. They then claimed that that is what they had intended all along. History is written by the victors and in this case there were no victors leaving your rewriting of history distasteful at best. Lanfear's Bane. Edit: Speeeeling. Well, I'm really not interested in rewriting history. I think PC has picked up the pieces and are moving on towards a better future. If its in your opinion to keep saying that PC was "killed" or whatever, thats fine; as long as you feel better I respect you Lanfear, so I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. I will just say it appears you have some pent-up aggression within you and maybe we can resolve it. Thats the only reason I can think of, for posting this thread in the first place. As I said earlier, if you want to know the status of PC, just ask us instead of relying on outsiders that "think" they know.
Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:27:00 - [51] Originally by: Dr Slice I respect you Lanfear, so I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. I will just say it appears you have some pent-up aggression within you and maybe we can resolve it. More sad than anything, I thought the PC was one of the best things going. Tighter organisation was perhaps required, not the whole carry on that happened. As for flaming, I also try not to, but I do get passionate at times about subjects I feel for. Lanfear's Bane. - - - - - - - - - - - Got Killboard?
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 18:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Dr Slice Well, I'm really not interested in rewriting history. I think PC has picked up the pieces and are moving on towards a better future. If its in your opinion to keep saying that PC was "killed" or whatever, thats fine; as long as you feel better I really hope you're right, and you probably are. Pirate Coalition should endure, despite this self-inflicted wound. But other than the whole "Pirate Coalition is dead" thing, I agree with everything Lanfear's Bane has to say. _ Do Unto Others.
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.01.05 19:17:00 - [53] Edited by: Xtro 2 on 05/01/2007 19:18:02 Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Dr Slice I respect you Lanfear, so I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. I will just say it appears you have some pent-up aggression within you and maybe we can resolve it. More sad than anything, I thought the PC was one of the best things going. Tighter organisation was perhaps required, not the whole carry on that happened. As for flaming, I also try not to, but I do get passionate at times about subjects I feel for. Lanfear's Bane. Im not that great at reading between the lines without 100% fact and i dont know the PC history/info but what in a quick brief explanation made it all come to this? Greed? Lazyness? Argument? Management Problems? When i spy or hear whispers from my buddies ingame about their own alliances the recurring theme seems to be greed/isk. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder typically
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.05 20:08:00 - [54] The Sanguine perspective: the charm for us to join was in the 'no politics, no holding space, little to no Blue, no bull****' 'rules' of the organisation. We could join and pirate where and when we wanted, and when big targets appear and/or our own small corp had few people online, we could join up temporary with the fellow pirates in the neighbourhood. Besides that, we would be able to rule our corp the way we see fit. The new ideas would change a lot of these simple rules (talk of NAPs, holding territory, concentration of corps, more corp ops, corp-tax, etc.). We didnt aggree on the new course, and therefore decided to pack up. We wish Skywalker the best of luck in the changes, having had to adapt ourselves, we understand it can require some hard and sometimes painfull choices.
Beowulf Scheafer Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:42:00 - [55] i think this whole thing is pointless, as there are always 2 sides and in this special case at least from my point of view both are understandable. of course if you are a leader (or otherwise in charge) for an alliance(like) organisation, you surely want to get this organisation to the top as a whole. because this is why you invest time and work in it to make it keep going. on the other hand in this special case the members in a way need to be able to stay in loose groups just for the aspect that they pvp to earn money with, not the other way round. if i have the luck to get a raven with an officer-sb together with my m8 (what happens by far not often enough), both of us earned alot of money for one days work and can be considered wealthy in a way. but who am i if i have to share it with the rest of the 20-guys-gang that were forced to all group in the same region... as mentioned above, i think both sides are easily understandable. and therefore i really think all of this treat lacks content tbh...
Skywalker Minmatar MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.06 12:26:00 - [56] PC was not working as an alliance even with 500+ members under it's wings. The alliance had no real power, not even the basic alliance tasks like cooperation and communication was working. It is easy to blame the leaders, we do mistakes also ofcourse. But, in this case when PC organisation was not working i can point out one single thing that, if it had worked would have turned the alliance into a stronger, more organized alliance. -That thing is Communication using teamspeak ! I tried so many times to get people to use teamspeak, that i in the end gave up. That is why the disorganisation and what you refer to as lack of leadership was present. Also this is why the alliance mails where so frequently posted in. Because it was at that point the only way to communicate. Some corporations that actually wanted to cooperate left the alliance after a while, because they saw it wasn't working. Like the corporation Armee der Finsternis, they came from a well organized alliance and was a great bunch. They had big plans and hopes on PC and was expecting alot of cooperation. When they realized cooperation was non existant, they left. I realized that without communication in alliance, we have nothing. It is in my eyes impossible to get an alliance working, when the CEO's aren't available. And it is really sad that a fundamental thing like failure of using teamspeak made this alliance to a big powerless umbrella for pirate corporations. This is why the 2 alliance operations i launched failed, the second alliance op was actually a last attempt to see if it was possible to do somthing with this alliance at all. If not, major decisions had to be taken. Now to the solution, how do you get a horde of pirates to work together, if the alliance is not claiming space that needs defending ? How do you make people cooperate if there is no actual part of the map that you need to control because of it's resources ? It is easier for a "real" 0.0 alliance, they have the npcs, complexes and ore to defend, that makes them work together in the same part of space. Since PC is not a territorial alliance, this had to be done in another way. As we all know "Money Rules", so we wanted to use tax as a tool to get the corporations to cooperate and work together as a "real" alliance. So we had 2 options left. 1. Kick out all the corporations not willing to use teamspeak and cooperate. 2. A more "friendly" approach, giving the corporations not willing to use teamspeak and cooperate a chance to still be under the PC umbrella. If they pay a tax of 100 million per month. I personally still don't see a problem with this. EVERY corporation had an option to continue in PC and avoid the tax. That option was cooperation. About the taxes: The tax was just a tool, it had nothing to do with greed, and since no one paid the tax in the end there is no need for discussing that either. When it come to the 100 million join fee, that was also a tool. We wanted to sort out all the unserious applications. I also offered the CEO's to put an alt in the executor corp Pirate Academy, that alt you could use to check the wallet transactions. I had nothing to hide, no greed involved, i am not that kind of person. If you missed out on that information, well then i guess communication as lacking. As a end note, i also want to say, that there will and is probably also alot of misunderstanding about PC from the former members. And this is nothing i am surprised of. It all comes down to the non existing communication. Those that say they wheren't in PC for the Umbrella, for what purpose where you in the alliance ? It's surely not for cooperating with other pirates, communication=cooperation. We might be decimated, but we are surely not dead. Now we have a great opportunity to build this alliance back up to what it should be, and that is a strong communicating alliance. We don't claim any space, we roam and we prosper. Apply now
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:13:00 - [57] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 06/01/2007 16:10:09 Ok who put this alliance drama thread in crime and punishment If I wanted to see this I'd go to the soap opera forums. Also Ex-Cursed Legion of Doom and Ex-Mafia member who left PC simply because I wanted this corpname lol I'd still fly with them if they wouldn't shoot me Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:28:00 - [58] Skywalker, you know I like you, so keep that in mind as I go through your post. The alliance had no real power, not even the basic alliance tasks like cooperation and communication was working. No, communication was working fine. The problem was a leadership that made participating in things like inter-alliance wars optional. PC's total aversion to claiming space, or helping anyone in the alliance out, also contributed to the lameness that was PC. That thing is Communication using teamspeak Are you really going to say it was the lack of TEAMSPEAK that caused the issues in Pirate Coalition? As I recal the last days of being in PC, you had no access at all to voice communication because of a dial up connection. What's more, a profound majority of the PC corporations DID have voice communication in the form of Ventrillo. It is in my eyes impossible to get an alliance working, when the CEO's aren't available. I'd just like to point out, when an alliance op was first brought up, you said it was a bad idea because nobody would show up. After it became clear that there was a little spoken support for the alliance op, and one was being planned, you made it clear that participation was not mandetory. After nobody showed up for the alliance op, you flipped your lid, and starting screaming, yelling, and going on about how no one showed up for the optional alliance operation that occurred in the middle of a war with LV and IAC. As we all know "Money Rules", so we wanted to use tax as a tool to get the corporations to cooperate and work together as a "real" alliance. So the idea was for you guys to extort 100 million isk a month from corps who refused to move to the same system Mafia was in? 100 million isk that was a huge burden to almost every corp in your alliance that didn't camp gates on a daily basis. And lets get things straight, we already lived in Heimatar at the time, and were told that unless we moved to YOU (within three jumps) we'd be charged the 100 million. Somewhere in here John Dean objected, defended our position, and was threatened by alliance leaders with podding and expulsion from our corp (how alliance leaders were going to boot him from our corp are beyond me.) Thus the origins of the whole "spam" incident. EVERY corporation had an option to continue in PC and avoid the tax. Yeah, every corp had the option of moving to wherever Mafia was, and being the *** (no offense) of Mafia and the Muffin factory, or pay 100 million isk a month to stay in an alliance which wouldn't help you under any circumstances (unless of course you WERE Cranberrry, Skywalker, or Tiller's **.) Those that say they wheren't in PC for the Umbrella, for what purpose where you in the alliance ? It's surely not for cooperating with other pirates, communication=cooperation.* We were there because we believed that Pirate Coalition was an effective alliance. We believed, when we joined, that we could count on our alliance for mutual aid and protection. Straight up. Once we realized that this alliance couldn't provide anything but a headache, we left. And just so it is clear, OUR corp was consistently among the top killing corps on the killboards, and the biggest belt pirating corp in the alliance. -Karlemgne
Tub0rg	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:26:00 - [59] I cant even understand why this TOPIC was created. Is this a buhuuu i feel left out from lanfear? Who gives if lanfear and black fleet thinks that PC is dead or not? PC is still here and i guess we will be here for a while... we dont have as many people in the aliance as we used to have but PC is still alive.
Fedaykinn Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.06 19:05:00 - [60] Edited by: Fedaykinn on 06/01/2007 19:15:51 Edited by: Fedaykinn on 06/01/2007 19:14:29 Black Fleet says they could rely on us for protection. But could we ever rely on you for Protetion? no not once. We were way too far away from each other, and not being able to travel through high sec space made that distance even longer. Somethnig that should have been 12 jumps became 50+ jumps. This is why we needed one mass movement to the same REGION not the same System. Most of the corps were blind to this and stayed put still expecting the alliance to help out even if youre like 60+ jumps away. Its not gonna happen which is why we needed a mass movment to start functioning as an alliance. If most of the corps had actually bothered to join teamspeak. Got to know the other alliance members we would have worked togeather much better. But most of the corps still wanted to do their own "Corp" thing in their own "corp" teamspeak/vent and didnt care about the alliance teamspeak or the alliance at all. So communication was bad and like Sky said alliance mail was really the only form of communication between most of the corps. But alliance mail is probably the worst form of communication for an alliance. When the Corps that did actually join Teamspeak and moved to the destiantion. We had gangs that were reaching 20+ players. We even managed to take down capital ships with these sort of gangs. And made Huge profits. And this was done just with 5 inividual corps working togeather Now imagine if most of the other 15+ corps had bothered to do this. We would probably have about 40-50+ pilot gangs. And even more in the region who we could call on. And you know that you could rely on each other. And even after most of the corps left the alliance. The ones that remained we knew we could rely on because they put the effort into it in the first place. The sad fact is most of the other corps didnt bother including Black Fleet, Newbies On Exstacy, Sanguine Legion and most of the other ex PAYUS corps that are trolling in this thread. If you guys had JUST bothered to move and not be so stubborn you would be looking at a much stronger PAYUS right now. So now we are only lookin for corps to join that put an effort into the alliance to make it work. That is how alliances function. And as for those corps that couldnt even be bothered to join the alliance teamspeak to talk to the leaders, you shouldnt have even joined the alliance in the first place And Lang how dare you say weve only managed 27 kills in the past 4 days. We have had 63 kills in 2 days (29-30 december) buit then we have stuff to do during the turn of the year so tbh mate F off. Everoyne cheack Pirate Coaltion Killboard To see an accurate reading of our kills and not Langs unfair figure of our kills.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.01.06 19:47:00 - [61] Dont know how to say this without sounding like a *****, so I will just say it. A long time ago in a Syndicate region near you little pirate coalition ran across the like of UDIE. After several days of dying the pirate coalition managed to convince one certain member of UDIE that it would be in our best interest to work together with PC instead of killing them. Reluctantly other members agreed and for a week or so we actualy ran some opps together. Some of which were a total success, and some of which showed us just how poor the pilot quality in PC was. After the initial romance was over the sane members of UDIE decided that enough was enough and that the PC was nothing more than a glorified alliance of mainly carebears whom we often cought mining/hunting, pretending to be pirates. Now dont get me wrong, there were a few good people that managed to tackle targets, and actualy kill stuff. But for the most part watching them work was like watching a pack of monkeys try to screw in a light bulb. We quickly rethought our stance on being associated with such incompetence and decided then and there that if it was not wearing the UDIE ticker it is not flying with us. Now fast forward several years later, and I see that PC is just now realizing that the majority of its members are nothing more than dead weight, which is probably true for 99% of them. Hopefully the new version of PC will realize that its quality over quantity any day of the week.
Fedaykinn Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.06 19:58:00 - [62] I agree with you that was the case. Which is why we only wanted actual pirates in the alliance. And not nappers and carebearers. This is why the tax whittled out the weak and non communitive corps and only the strong corps who do piracy, who do want to work togeather were left. All the pilots we ahve now are pirates at heart and are damn good pilots
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.06 20:41:00 - [63] why was this thread created? actually why is it not in the soap opera forums Pirate Coalition posts are such an eyesore since every one and their mama just has to say something Remember that muffin factory thread? it was about some guys and misinformation that resulted in becoming a bucnh of Blah blah PC this and PC that (which also resulted in me getting harassed by some guys but thats another story). Move this to Corporation and Alliance Discussion and let it sink below all the Bob expose posts Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.01.06 20:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Fedaykinn Everoyne cheack Pirate Coaltion Killboard To see an accurate reading of our kills and not Langs unfair figure of our kills based on the last 4 days since the new year. Some people are still coming off vacation and all sorts. I cant stand people like Lang who make a completley unfair figure thats meant to represent us 7 days in and still pretty unimpressive tbh. 7 kills today. 4 haulers, 2 t1 frigs and a caracal. And todays a weekend. Maybe you should take the kb link out
Fedaykinn Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.06 20:53:00 - [65] lol omg mate were not a 0.0 alliance that takes out capital ships on a daily basis. Were pirates and tbh we just want money and kills and thats it tbh no matter how big or small. -_-
Waxau Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.01.06 20:53:00 - [66] Well imho, i think PC have said all the should and need to say. They claim their alive, and thats all that matters. What we have here are ex-members taking their dislike to public levels, and discrediting PC through their anger. I could discredit Lanfear's bane (played along side you with an alt spy once...sneakysneaky ;) ) but im not going to. Its not my place. Same as its not someone elses place to say when an alliance is dead or not when theyre not in it. I will say personally, that without voice communication, pvp corps fall apart, let alone alliances. I think personally PC have done the right thing to strip their inactive/inactive/disfunctional pirate corps to make them overall more effective. I believe its the right thing to do, and takes both strength, decisiveness, and guts. So hats off to you guys. But im not going to say anymore. Go get em PC! RAWWWWWWWWWWR!
Lanfear's Bane Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.07 01:00:00 - [67] Originally by: Waxau I could discredit Lanfear's bane (played along side you with an alt spy once...sneakysneaky ;) ) but im not going to. Its not my place. Same as its not someone elses place to say when an alliance is dead or not when theyre not in it. Now that does interest me, feel free to drop me an EVEmail anytime you wish, I am interested to know exactly what you mean by 'discredit'. Originally by: Fedaykinn And Lang how dare you say weve only managed 27 kills in the past 4 days. We have had 63 kills in 2 days (29-30 december) If you re-read the original post I said 'Four days into the New Year' Originally by: Tub0rg Is this a buhuuu i feel left out from lanfear? Who gives if lanfear and black fleet thinks that PC is dead or not? I could have stayed up there and moved to MAFIA but I was pretty disappointed by the whole sordid affair, so I moved back home. But then again we never got on brilliantly, that was the sort of reply I was expecting from you. At least tiller composed a measured reply that wasn't just a troll. A personal attack does nothing for what I consider fast dropping reputation of the remaining corporations. You guys are defending your decisions very poorly. (And TBH I don't even remember you being around at the time of the move or even shortly thereafter...) Over 400 pirates left PC - those sort of numbers speak for themselves no matter what the few remaining pilots try and tell the rest of the EVE community. If you want a man that seems to know what he is doing and IMO shows a genuine interest in the wellbing and future of PC, talk to Dr Slice. Rather than getting all excited and trying to bluff his way around the near complete alliance collapse he is intested in learning from the CEO's mistakes and building a strong alliance. Hats off to him. Lanfear's Bane. - - - - - - - - - - - Got Killboard?
Waxau Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.01.07 01:24:00 - [68] Nothing devious, just a little tad of old chatlogs etc. But a magician never reveals his secrets....poof
vile56 Nubs. Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.07 01:28:00 - [69] your not a magician, so reveal secrets
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.07 06:19:00 - [70] Pirate Coalition sucks massive amounts of bawls and Tiller is a crappy PvPer. The spamming of the alliance mail was hilarious, and those who scream "immaturity" scream all you want because I bet we have more fun playing EVE then you do. The only good think about PC was the fact that we had a killboard. Our killboard sucks at the moment.
Dana Barrett Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.07 07:19:00 - [71] Originally by: Scoundrelus Pirate Coalition sucks massive amounts of bawls and Tiller is a crappy PvPer. The spamming of the alliance mail was hilarious, and those who scream "immaturity" scream all you want because I bet we have more fun playing EVE then you do. The only good think about PC was the fact that we had a killboard. Our killboard sucks at the moment. The spamming of alliance mail was dumb. Anybody who does that or finds that amusing needs to.....I don't even know, shoot themselves or something. And if you're having so much fun, then I expect to see you in BKFT for more than a month, which apparently is a struggle for you
Kittsa Twilight Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.07 08:37:00 - [72] After thinking and reading this is what I think as a non-pirate withan unhealthy interests in the operations of pirates 1. Trimming away the fat when done correctly will always improve the quality of the members 2. If anything i see this as PC showing belly up but not as a sign of dieing but of feigning such death. With talk of such event. Let those who think Pirate Coalition is dead think that. Then they will let thier guard down...and you can imagine the rest.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.07 09:42:00 - [73] Edited by: tiller on 07/01/2007 09:39:30 Originally by: Scoundrelus Pirate Coalition sucks massive amounts of bawls and Tiller is a crappy PvPer. nice addition to thread, this is one of the reasons I'm glad your not in my alliance channel tbh, I don't give a **** what anyone thinks of PC, it's the alliance I play in and as long as the majority of eve are not in it then I'm happy as we have plenty to shoot.
The Yzzerman Caldari Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.01.07 10:52:00 - [74] JOIN us instead:meep
Mihae Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.07 11:58:00 - [75] Edited by: Mihae on 07/01/2007 12:00:53 Edited by: Mihae on 07/01/2007 11:56:52 Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Intigo Edited by: Intigo on 05/01/2007 16:13:24 The majority of PAYUS corps (atleast the ones I encountered in Genesis and nearby) were just free-riders and nothing special (MAFIA obviously not included). It was bound to happen eventually, they let in too many scrubs. PAYUS was more of a "yay, free kill!" than a "onoes, other piewats in Local!" experience. Free riders? What? The use of the PAYUS name was not worth the 100 million isk enterance fee. No help was ever given (with the exception of Skywalker's dread once) during our many alliance wars. We faught the brunt of the war agains IAC in the Sotrenzur area, and as we were camped in station for hours, none of the 50 to 70 people in alliance chat would EVEN RESPOND to our repeated requests for help. The very least our alliance could of done was tell us "no." We never even got that. -Karl Edit: I never EVER checked alliance chat or alliance mail because there where nothing worth my attention. It's a Kitty ffs!
Mihae Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.07 12:03:00 - [76] Edited by: Mihae on 07/01/2007 11:59:37 Originally by: Scoundrelus The spamming of the alliance mail was hilarious, and those who scream "immaturity" scream all you want because I bet we have more fun playing EVE then you do. Spamming Alliance mails are about the dumbest thing one can do tbh... We aren't talking about immaturity either, just sheer dumbness. It's a Kitty ffs!
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.07 16:38:00 - [77] Originally by: Fedaykinn I agree with you that was the case. Which is why we only wanted actual pirates in the alliance. And not nappers and carebearers. This is why the tax whittled out the weak and non communitive corps and only the strong corps who do piracy, who do want to work togeather were left. All the pilots we ahve now are pirates at heart and are damn good pilots Except a whole lot of very good pirate corps left, and Pirate Coalition is now a shell of its former self. So good job, you got rid of the "carebears" as real as the good pirate corps. Congrats. -K
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.07 16:58:00 - [78] Originally by: Waxau I will say personally, that without voice communication, pvp corps fall apart, let alone alliances. Having had been in Pirate Coalition I would like to say the following. During my time in Pirate Coalition I rarely ever flew with members from my alliance. They never seemed to want to help, or fly with other corps in the alliance... and we aren't talking a select few corps of "carebears." The few times I did fly with members of my alliance, we all were on a vent server. Either ours, or theirs. Every single time I ever flew with PC pilots, they were on vent. 90% of the corps in that alliance had a vent or a ts server. I'm not sure where this "lack" of TS excuse for the old PCs failings came from. At the time of Black Fleet and Red Navy Factions' departure from PC, alliance leadership was trying to get the CEOs of the alliance corps to meet on TS servers. Perhaps, this lack of TS I keep hearing about is a reference to this. In all fairness, I must say, the call for the CEOs to come on TS came AFTER everyone was ordered to move to MAFIA's location, or start ponying up 100 million isk a month for the use of the PAYUS tag. Meaning, I think, that those of us who didn't run to TS when ordered, already knew we were on the way out. The funniest thing of all is that the alliance leaders (Skywalker) at the time only had a dial up connection, and couldn't use voice communication. Ironic in that he cites other CEOs' reluctance to "go on TS" as a percipitating cause of the decline of the old PC. Lastly, and I'll most likely be done with the thread, I want to wish PC luck. I posted rather harsh critisims of PC and the leadership here, and I hope they don't take offense. All in all this was my response to deep felt solidarity conjured by Lanfear's post, and a great iritation at Tiller insulting my corp and my corp mate, slandering us even. It's all water under the bridge. PC then and now has some great pilots, some caring people, and will most likely prosper in the future--hopefully with the aid of the leasons learned over the past few months. -Karlemgne Black Fleet
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.07 17:03:00 - [79] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 07/01/2007 10:04:11 Originally by: Scoundrelus Pirate Coalition sucks massive amounts of bawls and Tiller is a crappy PvPer. The spamming of the alliance mail was hilarious, and those who scream "immaturity" scream all you want because I bet we have more fun playing EVE then you do. The only good think about PC was the fact that we had a killboard. Our killboard sucks at the moment. Nice addition to thread, this is one of the reasons I'm glad you and your corp are not in my alliance channel. tbh, I don't give a **** what anyone thinks of PC, it's the alliance I play in and as long as the majority of eve are not in it then I'm happy as we have plenty to shoot. edit: I am a crappy pvp'er btw, your right about that part...couldn't care less though, I'm just in eve to shoot things and have fun One more parting jab here. Why are you glad we aren't in your alliance channel? You just ignored us when we were in the alliance. Here is a reenactment: Black Fleet (Red Navy): Hey guys, we are being camped in by about 20 war targets in Sotrenzur, anyone available to lend a hand? Alliance Channel (with 70 people): silence for 20 minutes Black Fleet: Hey, anyone there? Could we get some kind of response? Alliance Channel: Hey, anyone want to buy a covert ops cloak?
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.07 17:38:00 - [80] Edited by: tiller on 07/01/2007 18:17:41 Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 07/01/2007 10:04:11 Originally by: Scoundrelus Pirate Coalition sucks massive amounts of bawls and Tiller is a crappy PvPer. The spamming of the alliance mail was hilarious, and those who scream "immaturity" scream all you want because I bet we have more fun playing EVE then you do. The only good think about PC was the fact that we had a killboard. Our killboard sucks at the moment. Nice addition to thread, this is one of the reasons I'm glad you and your corp are not in my alliance channel. tbh, I don't give a **** what anyone thinks of PC, it's the alliance I play in and as long as the majority of eve are not in it then I'm happy as we have plenty to shoot. edit: I am a crappy pvp'er btw, your right about that part...couldn't care less though, I'm just in eve to shoot things and have fun One more parting jab here. Why are you glad we aren't in your alliance channel? You just ignored us when we were in the alliance. Here is a reenactment: Black Fleet (Red Navy): Hey guys, we are being camped in by about 20 war targets in Sotrenzur, anyone available to lend a hand? Alliance Channel (with 70 people): silence for 20 minutes Black Fleet: Hey, anyone there? Could we get some kind of response? Alliance Channel: Hey, anyone want to buy a covert ops cloak? Maybe because there really is no such thing as being 'camped' in a station. Use a insta undock Use a shuttle Log off and play a hr later Etc Etc Etc Etc I certainly would not come running 20j through low sec to 'help' a few alliance guys undock...maybe if you had a couple of dreads stuck in siege mode and scrambled then yes. If you were truly stuck in a station then it's a tactical mistake on your part...not my problem. You are complaining about the very thing Skywalker was trying to fix.. people to spread out to help each other. Of course no-one would come running, no-one is near you. btw, are you aggreeing with what Scoundrelus just said, do him and john spam your corp with 400 mails each time they get angry ?... if not why not, it's just as annoying to spam alliance chat and mail as corp. In fact alliance worse as more people have to put up with the ****. Quote 'The spamming of the alliance mail was hilarious' ... yeah real funny :\, is that your official corp policy ?
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.07 19:16:00 - [81] Originally by: Dana Barrett Originally by: Scoundrelus Pirate Coalition sucks massive amounts of bawls and Tiller is a crappy PvPer. The spamming of the alliance mail was hilarious, and those who scream "immaturity" scream all you want because I bet we have more fun playing EVE then you do. The only good think about PC was the fact that we had a killboard. Our killboard sucks at the moment. The spamming of alliance mail was dumb. Anybody who does that or finds that amusing needs to.....I don't even know, shoot themselves or something. And if you're having so much fun, then I expect to see you in BKFT for more than a month, which apparently is a struggle for you You think the spamming of alliance mail is dumb? How about commiting suicide over a game. Sounds even dumber but since its your suggestion I hereby dub you EVEs Offical Emo (EOE for short). Also I was in BKFT for 3 months before I left for FZN... shows you can really read dates. BKFT laughs at you and your feeble efforts. All of you other alliance mail whiners can go cry some more while we laugh at you. Better yet! War dec us!
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.07 19:20:00 - [82] Originally by: tiller Quote 'The spamming of the alliance mail was hilarious' ... yeah real funny :\, is that your official corp policy ? Our corps policy is freedom. True freedom, the ability to do what you want and be what you want without having to worry about what the rest of the universe thinks of you. Only two rules, don't dishonor duels, dont dishonor ransoms. Bad for business.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.07 19:41:00 - [83] Edited by: tiller on 07/01/2007 19:38:34 Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: tiller Quote 'The spamming of the alliance mail was hilarious' ... yeah real funny :\, is that your official corp policy ? Our corps policy is freedom. True freedom, the ability to do what you want and be what you want without having to worry about what the rest of the universe thinks of you. Only two rules, don't dishonor duels, dont dishonor ransoms. Bad for business. I dont play by many rules either, however I have common courtesy for people i'm playing the game with, those people in my alliance. Spamming alliance mail with the sole purpose of annoying everyone is not my kind of game... Of course, you can play how you wish... luckily for me, the way you play doesn't mean **** to me anymore as you left.
John Dean The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.07 19:47:00 - [84] Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:56:17 Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:46:13 Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:44:50 Originally by: Dana Barrett Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones. I was fed up with your stupid alliance and the fact that you b!tches refused to help us during the IAC war on the numerous times that we asked you to.... with the exception of skywalker in his dread for one day.... And then there was the restructuring of the alliance to for a stupid ass 'core group'..... and having to pay rediculous sums of money if not part of said 'group'.... Not to mention that because of that f@g preatorian-something or another taking a joke out of context and then flaming me in alliance chat i p!ssed off a bunch more of you girls due to taking his side on sh!t you had no business being in. So in conclusion.... Mother-Fcking die Pirate Coalition.... i hope your funeral is short!!! (sorry for all the edits.... had to reword due to filters to get my point across) ---------------------------------------------- THE BLACK FLEET* Killing the galaxy one ship at a time.
John Dean The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.07 19:47:00 - [85] at least i got an honorable recognition!!!!! ---------------------------------------------- THE BLACK FLEET Killing the galaxy one ship at a time.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.07 19:51:00 - [86] Originally by: John Dean Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:46:13 Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:44:50 Originally by: Dana Barrett Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones. I was fed up with your stupid alliance and the fact that you b!tches refused to help us during the IAC war on the numerous times that we asked you to.... with the exception of skywalker in his dread for one day.... And then there was the restructuring of the alliance to for a stupid ass 'core group'..... and having to pay rediculous sums of money if not part of said 'group'.... Not to mention that because of that** preatorian-something or another taking a joke out of context and then flaming me in alliance chat i *ed off a bunch more of you girls due to taking his side on sht you had no business being in. So in conclusion.... Mother-F*cking die Pirate Coalition.... i hope your funeral is short!!! I rest my case...
Samirol Turbulent Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.07 19:52:00 - [87] "it's not dead...it's just sleeping!" Tier 2 BS Lotto Contact mach'ett3 for all your sig needs
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.07 19:56:00 - [88] Originally by: Samirol "it's not dead...it's just sleeping!" Sadly the underlying problem is piracy is a dying art... thank CCP for that. I'm sure it's in deline all over eve. I've spoken to other corps and alot are suffering dwindling memberships.. Maybe everyone is joining BOB
John Dean The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.07 20:01:00 - [89] Originally by: tiller Originally by: John Dean Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:46:13 Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:44:50 Originally by: Dana Barrett Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones. I was fed up with your stupid alliance and the fact that you b!tches refused to help us during the IAC war on the numerous times that we asked you to.... with the exception of skywalker in his dread for one day.... And then there was the restructuring of the alliance to for a stupid ass 'core group'..... and having to pay rediculous sums of money if not part of said 'group'.... Not to mention that because of that** preatorian-something or another taking a joke out of context and then flaming me in alliance chat i *ed off a bunch more of you girls due to taking his side on sht you had no business being in. So in conclusion.... Mother-Fcking die Pirate Coalition.... i hope your funeral is short!!! I rest my case... you rest your case on being g@y? ---------------------------------------------- THE BLACK FLEET* Killing the galaxy one ship at a time.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.07 20:04:00 - [90] Originally by: John Dean Originally by: tiller Originally by: John Dean Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:46:13 Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:44:50 Originally by: Dana Barrett Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones. I was fed up with your stupid alliance and the fact that you b!tches refused to help us during the IAC war on the numerous times that we asked you to.... with the exception of skywalker in his dread for one day.... And then there was the restructuring of the alliance to for a stupid ass 'core group'..... and having to pay rediculous sums of money if not part of said 'group'.... Not to mention that because of that** preatorian-something or another taking a joke out of context and then flaming me in alliance chat i *ed off a bunch more of you girls due to taking his side on sht you had no business being in. So in conclusion.... Mother-F*cking die Pirate Coalition.... i hope your funeral is short!!! I rest my case... you rest your case on being g@y? Nice come back Please, remember the forums are worse than alliance mail.. thousands can read them. I roleplay a ebil pirate here, nothing more. Just random ranting and smacking makes you look nothing other than a fool... IMHO
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.07 21:16:00 - [91] Piracy is dead? PvP is dead? Oh, I think I know some other alliance that does pretty well job .. and certain corp that florish right now "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" "A world without pain"
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.07 21:39:00 - [92] Edited by: tiller on 07/01/2007 21:35:09 Originally by: Kuolematon Piracy is dead? PvP is dead? Oh, I think I know some other alliance that does pretty well job .. and certain corp that florish right now I cant think of any
Samirol Turbulent Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.07 21:42:00 - [93] Originally by: Kuolematon Piracy is dead? PvP is dead? Oh, I think I know some other alliance that does pretty well job .. and certain corp that florish right now if you are referring to privateers then dont ever post again Tier 2 BS Lotto Contact mach'ett3 for all your sig needs
Skywalker Minmatar MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.07 21:57:00 - [94] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Waxau At the time of Black Fleet and Red Navy Factions' departure from PC, alliance leadership was trying to get the CEOs of the alliance corps to meet on TS servers. Perhaps, this lack of TS I keep hearing about is a reference to this. In all fairness, I must say, the call for the CEOs to come on TS came AFTER everyone was ordered to move to MAFIA's location, or start ponying up 100 million isk a month for the use of the PAYUS tag. The funniest thing of all is that the alliance leaders (Skywalker) at the time only had a dial up connection, and couldn't use voice communication. Ironic in that he cites other CEOs' reluctance to "go on TS" as a percipitating cause of the decline of the old PC. Ok, about getting people onto TS, well i tried it more then once, just ask anyone that been around long enough. And yes i have been playing on a modem for 1year and finally got broadband. Still i have been on teamspeak everytime i am logged on, no problems. It is ventrilo that is harder to use, but since alliance voice com server is a teamspeak server that was never a problem.
Scoundrelus The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:07:00 - [95] ahem Please excuse John Dean, he smokes a lot of pot and drinks a lot of alcohol and has the diplomatic adeptness of a hungry cobra. As for "resting your case", you have no case. There is no argument. Your complaining about someone spamming your alliance mail and we're laughing at you. The only argument I see here is whether or not PC is a good alliance and frankly quite a few people seem to think otherwise. Is Pirate Coalition dying? Perhaps, perhaps not. One thing is certain, you had over 500 members and now you have only 3 more then Black Fleet. Quite the alliance...
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:48:00 - [96] Tiller: sigh Maybe because there really is no such thing as being 'camped' in a station. Use a insta undock Use a shuttle Log off and play a hr later Etc Etc Etc Etc I certainly would not come running 20j through low sec to 'help' a few alliance guys undock...maybe if you had a couple of dreads stuck in siege mode and scrambled then yes. Does this really look like what it looks like? You are saying to me, that during a war you were not willing to make 16 jumps to help a heavily camped in alliance member? Right there is the whole problem with Pirate Coalition. You won't show up to one of the only systems that an alliance war is being fought to help out your alliance members, but you do expect everyone in the alliance to show up to an OPTIONAL alliance operation DURING said war (and the op not being aimed at war targets.) Funny that. I thought you joined an alliance for mutual aid and protection. Apparently, Black Fleet and Red Navy faction deserve no help during a war, because we have no capital ships, but we sure as hell better move to MAFIA or pay a 100 million isk. I'm wondering how this alliance benefits anyone but you, being that you were one of the only corps with capital ships in the alliance? ALL of which is totally beside the point. My post was an attempt to illustrate how we were not given the dignaty of a "we can't make it." We were TOTALLY ignored every time we requested help. If you were truly stuck in a station then it's a tactical mistake on your part...not my problem. Right here is the whole issue I had with the old PC. When the enemy in an alliance war has you pinned down, don't look to Pirate Coalition for help. Its your fault. If your attitude is indicative of how the alliance will function in the future, then all I can do is wish you luck. You are complaining about the very thing Skywalker was trying to fix.. people to spread out to help each other. No, I'm complaining about a LACK of response to us in the alliance channel. Not that nobody came, that's fine, I understood the nature of the alliance. What I'm complaining about is not even getting a "sorry, dude, we all live in Placid," or a "I don't think we can make it." Nothing. Everyone goes about their business like we didn't exist. Of course no-one would come running, no-one is near you. Well, not exactly. A number of us lived in Heimatar, but like I said, not the point. btw, are you aggreeing with what Scoundrelus just said, do him and john spam your corp with 400 mails each time they get angry ? I'm not going to excuse what John did. It was over the line. Having said that, I'm not going to kick him from the corp either. He was threatened with podding, and bodily harm, because he said the 100 million isk per month tax was a bad idea. Should he have come to us? Yes. Is he totally responsible? No. I doubt the people who threatened him are out of the alliance (unless they too left.) Quote 'The spamming of the alliance mail was hilarious' ... yeah real funny :\, is that your official corp policy ? Scound is Scound, what can I say. The man is completely entitled to his opinion. My guess is, given that I was not a director in Black Fleet at the time, that the official corp policy is somewhere close to what I just said. John was repremanded, but not kicked from the corp, because there were mitigating circumstances, and frankly, because John is an interagle part Black Fleet, a good guy, and a Friend. -Karlemgne Black Fleet
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:55:00 - [97] Can we get a restraining order on the black fleet from all PC related posts its getting old now Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:13:00 - [98] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Can we get a restraining order on the black fleet from all PC related posts its getting old now That doesn't make any sense. Us talking about our old alliance is getting old, eh? Might as well have a restraining order on all non-friendly to PC corps on PC threads.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:43:00 - [99] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Can we get a restraining order on the black fleet from all PC related posts its getting old now That doesn't make any sense. Us talking about our old alliance is getting old, eh? Might as well have a restraining order on all non-friendly to PC corps on PC threads. Nah the other corps are fine but you guys are just ALWAYS there Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:22:00 - [100] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Can we get a restraining order on the black fleet from all PC related posts its getting old now That doesn't make any sense. Us talking about our old alliance is getting old, eh? Might as well have a restraining order on all non-friendly to PC corps on PC threads. Nah the other corps are fine but you guys are just ALWAYS there Hehe...
Dana Barrett Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:25:00 - [101] Edited by: Dana Barrett on 08/01/2007 04:23:07 Edited by: Dana Barrett on 08/01/2007 04:22:19 Referring to Karlemgne's post: I believe it was you folks up to the north of us that were begging for the war in the first place, since you were the ones that actually....you know.... saw IAC and were bothered by them. I remember hearing that the odds would be tilted once they couldn't use sentry guns on their side. I guess that wasn't true. Your complaint is the lack of response to the station camp. Valid claim if you ask me. I think if we were all in the immediate vicinity folks would have helped out, but everyone else except BKFT and RNF were down by Amamake. Therefore Skywalker's plan to restructure sounds like it will fix this problem. Best of luck to him and PC. Oh and Scoundrelus, don't try to sidle out of the fact that you're one of the biggest corp jumpers I've seen. (btw this is my last post as Dana Barrett, I'm selling this char so if you choose to take your aggression out on her in the future then it's not me)
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 04:29:00 - [102] Originally by: Samirol "it's not dead...it's just sleeping!" This pirate is no more! He has ceased to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker! He's a stiff! Bereft of life, He rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed him to the pod, he'd be pushing up the daisies! His metabolic processes are now history! He's off the twig! He's kicked the bucket, he's shuffled off his mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PIRATE!! _ Do Unto Others.
Sun Win Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:15:00 - [103] An eXin Pirate? New to Eve? Learn to Fly - join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.08 05:23:00 - [104] Oh and Scoundrelus, don't try to sidle out of the fact that you're one of the biggest corp jumpers I've seen. No matter what corps Scound has been in, he has been a constant constructive presence here at Black Fleet and in our Vent. I trust him implicately, and like John, he's a good pilot and a friend, and I'm glad he's here. He also, if you care to look, has plenty of history with us. Just to defend Scound for a bit. ;-) -Karl
Pesadel0 Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.01.08 11:31:00 - [105] Originally by: John Dean Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:56:17 Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:46:13 Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:44:50 Originally by: Dana Barrett Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones. I was fed up with your stupid alliance and the fact that you b!tches refused to help us during the IAC war on the numerous times that we asked you to.... with the exception of skywalker in his dread for one day.... And then there was the restructuring of the alliance to for a stupid ass 'core group'..... and having to pay rediculous sums of money if not part of said 'group'.... Not to mention that because of that f@g preatorian-something or another taking a joke out of context and then flaming me in alliance chat i p!ssed off a bunch more of you girls due to taking his side on sh!t you had no business being in. So in conclusion.... Mother-Fcking die Pirate Coalition.... i hope your funeral is short!!! (sorry for all the edits.... had to reword due to filters to get my point across) This post is one of the/or the most stupid post in my eve-o existence ,i'am in eve for 3 years and i saw alot off . And john you are putting your name on the mud and even worse you are putting your corp true the mud. That said i wish PC good luck,with stupid **** like this piece here ,you just had a new respect from me at least ,and you are like saints for resisting with an alliance member with this kind off stupid manners and just stupid attitude.Even worse is that i see alot of there corp members saying he was rigth to spamm the alliance mail i think that the corp is all a bunch of tards.
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.08 14:11:00 - [106] Bunch of tards...thats funny. Quick story with one of my encounters with Black Fleet back when I was in INFOD. Was hanging around Ingunn, when 2 Black Fleet came into the system. They started hunting for me in the belts and one of them said in local "where is he?" At this time I typed "uhm, what are you guys doing, we are blue to each other" lol They left the system without responding. Afterwards I got a little suspicious and asked a different Black Fleet Pilot if we were indeed blue to them and he confirmed we were. Ooops lol
eeski Amarr Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:49:00 - [107] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: John Dean Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:56:17 Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:46:13 Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:44:50 Originally by: Dana Barrett Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones. I was fed up with your stupid alliance and the fact that you b!tches refused to help us during the IAC war on the numerous times that we asked you to.... with the exception of skywalker in his dread for one day.... And then there was the restructuring of the alliance to for a stupid ass 'core group'..... and having to pay rediculous sums of money if not part of said 'group'.... Not to mention that because of that f@g preatorian-something or another taking a joke out of context and then flaming me in alliance chat i p!ssed off a bunch more of you girls due to taking his side on sh!t you had no business being in. So in conclusion.... Mother-Fcking die Pirate Coalition.... i hope your funeral is short!!! (sorry for all the edits.... had to reword due to filters to get my point across) This post is one of the/or the most stupid post in my eve-o existence ,i'am in eve for 3 years and i saw alot off . And john you are putting your name on the mud and even worse you are putting your corp true the mud. That said i wish PC good luck,with stupid **** like this piece here ,you just had a new respect from me at least ,and you are like saints for resisting with an alliance member with this kind off stupid manners and just stupid attitude.Even worse is that i see alot of there corp members saying he was rigth to spamm the alliance mail i think that the corp is all a bunch of tards. Well said , couldn't agree with u more GD luck to PC in their new direction
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.08 17:59:00 - [108] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: John Dean Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:56:17 Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:46:13 Edited by: John Dean on 07/01/2007 19:44:50 Originally by: Dana Barrett Another problem was alliance mails were so frequent and so non-important that I never even checked them after a week of crap. One dude even had a ridiculous 400-something mails because he was fed up with his corp or the alliance or something and spammed for a day straight. Other than that I really have nothing else to say about the old PC. Some excellent corps, some terrible ones. I was fed up with your stupid alliance and the fact that you b!tches refused to help us during the IAC war on the numerous times that we asked you to.... with the exception of skywalker in his dread for one day.... And then there was the restructuring of the alliance to for a stupid ass 'core group'..... and having to pay rediculous sums of money if not part of said 'group'.... Not to mention that because of that f@g preatorian-something or another taking a joke out of context and then flaming me in alliance chat i p!ssed off a bunch more of you girls due to taking his side on sh!t you had no business being in. So in conclusion.... Mother-Fcking die Pirate Coalition.... i hope your funeral is short!!! (sorry for all the edits.... had to reword due to filters to get my point across) This post is one of the/or the most stupid post in my eve-o existence ,i'am in eve for 3 years and i saw alot off . And john you are putting your name on the mud and even worse you are putting your corp true the mud. That said i wish PC good luck,with stupid **** like this piece here ,you just had a new respect from me at least ,and you are like saints for resisting with an alliance member with this kind off stupid manners and just stupid attitude.Even worse is that i see alot of there corp members saying he was rigth to spamm the alliance mail i think that the corp is all a bunch of tards. I excuse you because I think English might be your second language, and you seem mad, and you should never type angry... BUT, I don't understand a word of what you just posted. -Karlemgne
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.08 18:08:00 - [109] Originally by: Dr Slice Bunch of tards...thats funny. Quick story with one of my encounters with Black Fleet back when I was in INFOD. Was hanging around Ingunn, when 2 Black Fleet came into the system. They started hunting for me in the belts and one of them said in local "where is he?" At this time I typed "uhm, what are you guys doing, we are blue to each other" lol They left the system without responding. Afterwards I got a little suspicious and asked a different Black Fleet Pilot if we were indeed blue to them and he confirmed we were. Ooops lol Haha... my guess is, never happened. I wasn't there though. -Karl
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 18:12:00 - [110] alliances wax and wane - pirate caolation has had some good fights around the place hope to see it continue All posts made by myself represent my personal opinion only - they do not represent the rest of the privateer alliacne unless they decide to agree with what im saying
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.08 18:41:00 - [111] Originally by: ollobrains alliances wax and wane - pirate caolation has had some good fights around the place hope to see it continue Loose knite pirate alliance number 1 = failure. Loose knit pirate alliance number 2 (Privateer) = going to be a failure. Pirate corps should stay solo, and make good friends of other pirate corps. Alliances for us just end in stupidity. That's my opinion, not Black Fleets ;-). -Karl
John Dean The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.08 19:13:00 - [112] Originally by: Dana Barrett Edited by: Dana Barrett on 08/01/2007 04:23:07 Edited by: Dana Barrett on 08/01/2007 04:22:19 Referring to Karlemgne's post: I believe it was you folks up to the north of us that were begging for the war in the first place, since you were the ones that actually....you know.... saw IAC and were bothered by them. I remember hearing that the odds would be tilted once they couldn't use sentry guns on their side. I guess that wasn't true. Your complaint is the lack of response to the station camp. Valid claim if you ask me. I think if we were all in the immediate vicinity folks would have helped out, but everyone else except BKFT and RNF were down by Amamake. Therefore Skywalker's plan to restructure sounds like it will fix this problem. Best of luck to him and PC. Oh and Scoundrelus, don't try to sidle out of the fact that you're one of the biggest corp jumpers I've seen. (btw this is my last post as Dana Barrett, I'm selling this char so if you choose to take your aggression out on her in the future then it's not me) Actually, it was PCABOO from Noobs on ecstacy that wanted the war with IAC because of the Imperial commonwealth [TIC]. So, Dana you are an idiot. Don't blame us for crap we didn't start. ---------------------------------------------- THE BLACK FLEET Killing the galaxy one ship at a time.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.08 19:26:00 - [113] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 08/01/2007 19:24:30 Originally by: John Dean Originally by: Dana Barrett Edited by: Dana Barrett on 08/01/2007 04:23:07 Edited by: Dana Barrett on 08/01/2007 04:22:19 Referring to Karlemgne's post: I believe it was you folks up to the north of us that were begging for the war in the first place, since you were the ones that actually....you know.... saw IAC and were bothered by them. I remember hearing that the odds would be tilted once they couldn't use sentry guns on their side. I guess that wasn't true. Your complaint is the lack of response to the station camp. Valid claim if you ask me. I think if we were all in the immediate vicinity folks would have helped out, but everyone else except BKFT and RNF were down by Amamake. Therefore Skywalker's plan to restructure sounds like it will fix this problem. Best of luck to him and PC. Oh and Scoundrelus, don't try to sidle out of the fact that you're one of the biggest corp jumpers I've seen. (btw this is my last post as Dana Barrett, I'm selling this char so if you choose to take your aggression out on her in the future then it's not me) Actually, it was PCABOO from Noobs on ecstacy that wanted the war with IAC because of the Imperial commonwealth [TIC]. So, Dana you are an idiot. Don't blame us for crap we didn't start. Idiot or just misinformed? Also every one knows by the trasitive property of characters that look like child molesters you and PcAboo are two of a kind There fore all things Done by PcAboo = Stuff John Dean Does but all things John Dean takes part in are not things PcAboo does. I call it PcAboo complex Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.09 00:42:00 - [114] What John Dean said. We contributed willingly to the war fund, and backed the war as everyone else seemed to as well. It was not us, but Noobs on X that wanted the war to begin with. Aparently, it was just OUR two corps who had to fight it though. Strange given all the hawkish foaming of the mouth that lead to the war dec. :-/ -Karlemgne
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.09 03:39:00 - [115] Its official your all booooooooooooring I'm going to the soap opera forums to read a shocking bob expose instead hmph (in my opinion this sht dosen't even belong here) Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin*
LittleTerror Caldari Cremation Of Care	Posted - 2007.01.09 03:58:00 - [116] Edited by: LittleTerror on 09/01/2007 03:54:39 lot of BLAH BLAH BLAH in this thread
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:45:00 - [117] needs less blah blah and more me in my humble opinion Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
Crimson Onyx MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.09 04:53:00 - [118] I just came back from vacation and seen a "PC is dead thread" and giggled.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.09 05:30:00 - [119] Hehe... The Black Fleet now has as many members as the entire Pirate Coalition. Thought I'd add that. -Karl
Torhas Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.09 05:45:00 - [120] If you're trying to prove something then perhaps a wardec would settle things
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.09 06:56:00 - [121] Edited by: Lochmar Fiendhiem on 09/01/2007 06:53:06 lol @ PC. want some cheese with that whine?
LittleTerror Caldari Cremation Of Care	Posted - 2007.01.09 07:14:00 - [122] Edited by: LittleTerror on 09/01/2007 07:15:09 Originally by: Karlemgne Hehe... The Black Fleet now has as many members as the entire Pirate Coalition. Thought I'd add that. -Karl Bet 50% are nubs Numbers don't mean ****, quality is better..
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2007.01.09 09:08:00 - [123] It's true, our corp initiated the war on IAC. It's too bad we only saw like 5 IAC war targets during the whole ordeal(They were being crushed out in 0.0 by pretty much everyone). I wanted to stop the war after the second week, but people kept sending money to keep it going. Our corp had no problems going to help alliance mates, but we were also at war with M'8'S and they were specifically looking for my corp to kick around. When we first asked for help, we got a fairly large group of guys to help us. Taking the corp 10 jumps away seems simple enough, but once you get there, the other side docks or leaves. Which basically makes the trip a huge waste of time, while your home system is being ravaged by carebears. I know a lot of corps within the PC that did this and I understand why they stopped coming to help. It's frustrating to drop everything you're doing to help someone, only to be alone when you get there. One of the PC 'ideals' was to stay mobile, but not all of us care to be nomads. All of us don't have freighter alts to move our gear around. It's a little easier to operate that way on the bigger alliances that have huge industrial backbones, but as pirates, it's tough making a dishonest living while constantly on the move. asfagh I don't want to type anymore.. just pretend I kept *****ing for another 5 paragraphs. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Napolie Gallente Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.09 10:39:00 - [124] PC is dead, long live PC
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.09 13:47:00 - [125] Originally by: LittleTerror Edited by: LittleTerror on 09/01/2007 07:15:09 Originally by: Karlemgne Hehe... The Black Fleet now has as many members as the entire Pirate Coalition. Thought I'd add that. -Karl Bet 50% are nubs Numbers don't mean **, quality is better.. Tell that to goonfleet lol. I saw john dean in otosela once. I went to uemon to get lusmidoor so we could go pew pew a spammer then he just vanishes. . . turns out he got podded or self destructed for some reason I thought to my self damn that was pretty quick for a system that every one just docks in Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin**
Kailiao The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:48:00 - [126] Originally by: LittleTerror Edited by: LittleTerror on 09/01/2007 07:15:09 Originally by: Karlemgne Hehe... The Black Fleet now has as many members as the entire Pirate Coalition. Thought I'd add that. -Karl Bet 50% are nubs Numbers don't mean ****, quality is better.. Trust me we are quality, ans as far as today, i didn't even know your corp existed Tho i know you, and respect you, don't come on here and flame, about a corp you never flown with.
Kailiao The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.09 15:51:00 - [127] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: LittleTerror Edited by: LittleTerror on 09/01/2007 07:15:09 Originally by: Karlemgne Hehe... The Black Fleet now has as many members as the entire Pirate Coalition. Thought I'd add that. -Karl Bet 50% are nubs Numbers don't mean ****, quality is better.. Tell that to goonfleet lol. I saw john dean in otosela once. I went to uemon to get lusmidoor so we could go pew pew a spammer then he just vanishes. . . turns out he got podded or self destructed for some reason I thought to my self damn that was pretty quick for a system that every one just docks in you been talkin alout of crap about us mr nobody, you wanna come to where we are and back that bark up, with a little bite?
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:27:00 - [128] Originally by: Kailiao Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: LittleTerror Edited by: LittleTerror on 09/01/2007 07:15:09 Originally by: Karlemgne Hehe... The Black Fleet now has as many members as the entire Pirate Coalition. Thought I'd add that. -Karl Bet 50% are nubs Numbers don't mean **, quality is better.. Tell that to goonfleet lol. I saw john dean in otosela once. I went to uemon to get lusmidoor so we could go pew pew a spammer then he just vanishes. . . turns out he got podded or self destructed for some reason I thought to my self damn that was pretty quick for a system that every one just docks in you been talkin alout of crap about us mr nobody, you wanna come to where we are and back that bark up, with a little bite? I would If I wasn't grounded from eve (i know what your thinking omg he's 12 well im actually 18 just fyi ) Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin**
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:51:00 - [129] Originally by: PCaBoo It's true, our corp initiated the war on IAC. It's too bad we only saw like 5 IAC war targets during the whole ordeal(They were being crushed out in 0.0 by pretty much everyone). I wanted to stop the war after the second week, but people kept sending money to keep it going. Well the alts we had in PC got a different story off alliance chat. Stories about you guys trying to sc*****enough funds together to pay for the war. Not to mention the pre-emptive strikes on PC by TIC (mostly my idea). It was a good thing you had going, have you guys managed to pick up a tractor beam bpo yet?
Eteon Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:23:00 - [130] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I would If I wasn't grounded from eve (i know what your thinking omg he's 12 well im actually 18 just fyi ) Words fail me.
Eteon Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:23:00 - [131] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I would If I wasn't grounded from eve (i know what your thinking omg he's 12 well im actually 18 just fyi ) Words fail me.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:08:00 - [132] Originally by: LittleTerror Edited by: LittleTerror on 09/01/2007 07:15:09 Originally by: Karlemgne Hehe... The Black Fleet now has as many members as the entire Pirate Coalition. Thought I'd add that. -Karl Bet 50% are nubs Numbers don't mean ****, quality is better.. Just wanted to illustrate a point. You can justify the complete dismantlement of PC all you want, everyone else, and this thread is testiment to that, knows better. -Karlemgne
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:09:00 - [133] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: Kailiao Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: LittleTerror Edited by: LittleTerror on 09/01/2007 07:15:09 Originally by: Karlemgne Hehe... The Black Fleet now has as many members as the entire Pirate Coalition. Thought I'd add that. -Karl Bet 50% are nubs Numbers don't mean ****, quality is better.. Tell that to goonfleet lol. I saw john dean in otosela once. I went to uemon to get lusmidoor so we could go pew pew a spammer then he just vanishes. . . turns out he got podded or self destructed for some reason I thought to my self damn that was pretty quick for a system that every one just docks in you been talkin alout of crap about us mr nobody, you wanna come to where we are and back that bark up, with a little bite? I would If I wasn't grounded from eve (i know what your thinking omg he's 12 well im actually 18 just fyi ) Christ. I'm quiting eve. -K
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2007.01.10 05:12:00 - [134] Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem Well the alts we had in PC got a different story off alliance chat. Stories about you guys trying to sc*****enough funds together to pay for the war. Not to mention the pre-emptive strikes on PC by TIC (mostly my idea). It was a good thing you had going, have you guys managed to pick up a tractor beam bpo yet? oh please. You were a scrub then and you're a scrub now. I don't need your bs propaganda. I was talking to Bleh everyday during the war. I don't even know why you're posting in this thread. You have no experience with the PC other than being victimized by them. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
John Dean The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.10 06:33:00 - [135] Originally by: PCaBoo It's true, our corp initiated the war on IAC. It's too bad we only saw like 5 IAC war targets during the whole ordeal(They were being crushed out in 0.0 by pretty much everyone). I wanted to stop the war after the second week, but people kept sending money to keep it going. Our corp had no problems going to help alliance mates, but we were also at war with M'8'S and they were specifically looking for my corp to kick around. When we first asked for help, we got a fairly large group of guys to help us. Taking the corp 10 jumps away seems simple enough, but once you get there, the other side docks or leaves. Which basically makes the trip a huge waste of time, while your home system is being ravaged by carebears. I know a lot of corps within the PC that did this and I understand why they stopped coming to help. It's frustrating to drop everything you're doing to help someone, only to be alone when you get there. One of the PC 'ideals' was to stay mobile, but not all of us care to be nomads. All of us don't have freighter alts to move our gear around. It's a little easier to operate that way on the bigger alliances that have huge industrial backbones, but as pirates, it's tough making a dishonest living while constantly on the move. asfagh I don't want to type anymore.. just pretend I kept ***ing for another 5 paragraphs. if you guys wanted to stop the war 2 weeks into it then why was there never an alliance mail on it? and if there was a mail it wasnt there for very long because i checked mail daily. we in bkft and rnvf figured that the mail that said to send all money for the war fund was still active and therefore kept on fueling it so we could legally spank those filthy campers and gate huggers called Ever Flow [EVF] (IAC). Originally by:** Marcus TheMartin Originally by: LittleTerror Edited by: LittleTerror on 09/01/2007 07:15:09 Originally by: Karlemgne Hehe... The Black Fleet now has as many members as the entire Pirate Coalition. Thought I'd add that. -Karl Bet 50% are nubs Numbers don't mean **, quality is better.. Tell that to goonfleet lol. I saw john dean in otosela once. I went to uemon to get lusmidoor so we could go pew pew a spammer then he just vanishes. . . turns out he got podded or self destructed for some reason I thought to my self damn that was pretty quick for a system that every one just docks in well the last time i was in heimatar was a week ago, and it was in akkio, and the purpose was to dock up my raven from 3 weeks of ratting for cash and then to self destruct so that i could instantly be in my home system 60ish jumps away from akkio. ---------------------------------------------- THE BLACK FLEET** Killing the galaxy one ship at a time.
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2007.01.10 07:37:00 - [136] Originally by: John Dean if you guys wanted to stop the war 2 weeks into it then why was there never an alliance mail on it? and if there was a mail it wasnt there for very long because i checked mail daily. we in bkft and rnvf figured that the mail that said to send all money for the war fund was still active and therefore kept on fueling it so we could legally spank those filthy campers and gate huggers called Ever Flow [EVF] (IAC). There was one alliance mail a week on the matter from me. I asked everyone not to reply to it in alliance mail because of the massive amounts of bs mail in alliance. I didn't want to clutter it anymore (still frustrated at the thought of people using alliance mail to post stupid videos of crap). Our corp wanted to end the war because we had 0 war targets from IAC. I asked in alliance mail once a week if the war should continue and that I would continue paying for it out of my own pocket if people wanted the war to continue. I also asked for contributions to help, if people wanted the war to continue. 50m a week starts to hurt after a while. I got money every week from Karl and others, so the war went on. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
John Dean The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.10 08:45:00 - [137] if anyone here doesnt like my opinions then just scroll past my post. no one is forcing you to read it. with that said: ya i remember you asking if anyone wanted to continue the war and quite a few of us bkft and rnvf (including myself) contributed to the fund to continue the spanking of EVF. but anyhow, joining pirate coalition, IN MY OPINION, was the worst thing that BKFT has done. i am personally GLAD to not be in it anymore. ---------------------------------------------- THE BLACK FLEET Killing the galaxy one ship at a time.
Puupuu Boom Boom Boom	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:20:00 - [138] Edited by: Puupuu on 10/01/2007 09:22:10 Edited by: Puupuu on 10/01/2007 09:17:06 Originally by: John Dean i am personally GLAD to not be in it anymore. I'm sure everyone is glad about that ;)
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:23:00 - [139] Originally by: John Dean but anyhow, joining pirate coalition, IN MY OPINION, was the worst thing that BKFT has done. i am personally GLAD to not be in it anymore. I had a lot of fun. =\ I met a lot of interesting people and made some good contacts. It wasn't the most organized, but for a pirate alliance, it's as good as anyone could realistically expect. I don't like the path they went on, but what's done is done. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!

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