So, I was watching this interesting SOV video-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi9_ArJ2mEY and noticed that the only main alliance which survived the time period was the Goonswarm Federation, I'm just curious, as I have lived near goons before, what makes their alliance structure so much different than the other power blocks?

Mainly lots of playing the metagame.

The alliances that have died weren't as good at playing the metagame of spies, infiltrating directors, controlling mass media, and taking advantage of leaked information of upcoming changes from various places.

A lot of the other 'old' alliances are still around just maybe not in exactly the same place or shape.

Because instead of complaining on the forums, we are in-game playing (and winning).

Because instead of complaining on the forums, we are in-game playing (and winning).

Don't forget Goons have a strong external locus for their community in the Something Awful forums. Events that would lead to a failcascade in other alliances don't cause the same problems with Goons.

I haven't been in many alliances in the last decade that were situated in 0.0 so probably not the best to answer that, but what I hear it is the amount of effort and work that goes into this alliance that basically out competes everyone else.
Unless eve is your full time job/hobby/life it is hard to even come close to what is provided in the Goon infrastructure.

I really like to play spaceships but what these guys are doing is far beyond anything I would even consider to invest into a game.

So, I was watching this interesting SOV video-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi9_ArJ2mEY and noticed that the only main alliance which survived the time period was the Goonswarm Federation, I'm just curious, as I have lived near goons before, what makes their alliance structure so much different than the other power blocks?

So, I was watching this interesting SOV video-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi9_ArJ2mEY and noticed that the only main alliance which survived the time period was the Goonswarm Federation, I'm just curious, as I have lived near goons before, what makes their alliance structure so much different than the other power blocks?

I haven't been in many alliances in the last decade that were situated in 0.0 so probably not the best to answer that, but what I hear it is the amount of effort and work that goes into this alliance that basically out competes everyone else.
Unless eve is your full time job/hobby/life it is hard to even come close to what is provided in the Goon infrastructure.

I really like to play spaceships but what these guys are doing is far beyond anything I would even consider to invest into a game.

So, I was watching this interesting SOV video-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi9_ArJ2mEY and noticed that the only main alliance which survived the time period was the Goonswarm Federation, I'm just curious, as I have lived near goons before, what makes their alliance structure so much different than the other power blocks?

So, I was watching this interesting SOV video-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi9_ArJ2mEY and noticed that the only main alliance which survived the time period was the Goonswarm Federation, I'm just curious, as I have lived near goons before, what makes their alliance structure so much different than the other power blocks?

The EVE Goon organizational structure is more complex and well thought out than most mid sized corporations.
Its also leveraged world wide talent to do this. From a raw business POV we win simply because somehow we figured out how to turn a game into work that we enjoy doing and staying flexible enough to respond to political changes in eve.

In short we survive because we work for it. Love it. And abuse that strength whenever we can without burning down the whole server.

The EVE Goon organizational structure is more complex and well thought out than most mid sized corporations.
Its also leveraged world wide talent to do this. From a raw business POV we win simply because somehow we figured out how to turn a game into work that we enjoy doing and staying flexible enough to respond to political changes in eve.

In short we survive because we work for it. Love it. And abuse that strength whenever we can without burning down the whole server.

They seem to rely mostly on reddit footsloggers from KF et al these days. If you look at most fleet comps actual SA goonwaffe are the minority. If goons had to hold sov without the rest of the cfc they'd get crushed pretty quickly. You assume SA is a thing but the KB activity shows redditors being the new majority these days.

Because, similar to CODE, everyone loves Goons. Even if they love to hate them (which most grr goons people won't admit is how they actually feel). Having someone to complain about/grrr against creates an enormous amount of content.

The CODE. example is a great one actually. I hate CODE, but because of that, I like them. The concept they bring is a neat aspect of eve. The issues around them has more to do with how eve is introduced to the new player prior to undocking. There are other issues as well (Was it code that was the "bonus room?") , but I do not see CODE in a more general fashion doing wrong from a gamer's point of view. They style of play should be enhanced, but more inclusive to the communities they affect.

But I can do so because despite everything, they have, for the most part been pretty... respectable? Yeah, a fair numbers of bad apples, but they still are essentially a game community and treating players as other gamers. Piracy in space games is one of those expected things. It is just unfortunate is imbalanced in eve.

Goons though tended to, at least in the past, be disrespectful on a personal level. It seems more toned down in recent years though. But there are some that do just dislike goons because they made things to a personal level in the past.

Because, similar to CODE, everyone loves Goons. Even if they love to hate them (which most grr goons people won't admit is how they actually feel). Having someone to complain about/grrr against creates an enormous amount of content.

Winning *cough* you just got spanked two nights in a row at pillow fort.

Winning *cough* you just got spanked two nights in a row at pillow fort.

Are you two done with trying to win a d*ck measuring contest? Jesus....the pettiness/stupidity on these forums. Are we adults or 13 year olds?

Simple really those other power blocs existed for the sole reason of getting and holding sovereignty. Once they lost it the alliance no longer had any purpose. Goonswarm is basically a a giant party with 15,000 of your best friends. Even if they lost it all the tomorrow they would come back. They aren't invincible, but they exist to have fun. The others existed to hold power.

I haven't been in many alliances in the last decade that were situated in 0.0 so probably not the best to answer that, but what I hear it is the amount of effort and work that goes into this alliance that basically out competes everyone else.
Unless eve is your full time job/hobby/life it is hard to even come close to what is provided in the Goon infrastructure.

I really like to play spaceships but what these guys are doing is far beyond anything I would even consider to invest into a game.

We are a CIA front.

An incredibly rich and happy one.

The short answer is because we're winning!

The longer answer is multifaceted. I have only been with the goons for 6-8 months or so since I first returned to Eve after a three year break and I hold absolutely no positions of authority. I am just the lowest rank of the rank and file. But I will try to answer your question.

1. Communication. We have much more efficient channels to transmit intel than most other alliances. Any orders, info, whatever is dispersed within seconds. I was out on a fleet recently and we had intel on our enemies, where they were, and what they were flying to counter us at all times. This has been endemic to flying with the Goons in my brief experience.

2. The Meta Game. We are masters of it as my example in # 1 shows. Hell you could argue we effing invented the Meta Game.

3. Sheer Size. We are massive and we control not systems but entire regions. And we do it with an iron fist. If a neut flies anywhere into our space we know and there is always a group of pvp fitted players waiting to welcome them. I have personally been a part of and witnessed operations where my fellow Goons and I have dispatched an opposing force equal or even greater in numbers than us with a ruthless efficiency that is frightening. I am talking about enemy fleets composed of entire small corporations dispatched in 60-120 seconds.

4 We Are Rich. Hell, we define the word rich. We control all of the best and most profitable space in the game. And we USE it! I used to live in highsec and was a mission runner years ago when that was one of the most lucrative things in the game. I was a master at it. But the isk I can and do make being a Goon makes that look like poverty. I make no less than 1 billion a week on a bad week only using this one character/ship. If I want to get really serious I can easily double that. I have personally witnessed people making 5-10 billion isk a day using multiple alts multiple times.

Even the lowest newbie flying with us can afford anything his little heart desires after 30-60 days. We give away 100s of millions of isk like it is candy. I just dropped 2 billion tonight on a fleet of new pvp ships for our ongoing war and I didn't even feel it.

5. Very Newbie Friendly. We are very open to new players. We will take almost anyone, teach and train them, and support them in any way that they need. Very few other corps/alliances in Eve do that and none of them do it with our scope and efficiency.

6. We Are Winning. As I mentioned at the start we are hands down winning Eve in any measurable metric. Everyone loves a winner and everyone wants to be a winner or on the winning team. And that's us.

So if you are new to null or even Eve in general and want a place that offers guidance and growth then find a diplomat and hit them up to come fly with us. You could give them my name but you won't get anything with it. I am just an unnamed soldier in the rank and file. An incredibly rich and happy one.

Like Baltec said we're a CIA front

They provide the best new player experience in Eve and actively recruit. My advice to anyone new to Eve, the Goons are the place to be. You'll have a good time.

CIA front? I insert a joke about being like arse end of CIA

We are a CIA front.

Ye, no. Sorry but I've seen GSF in action, and unless you're willing to sell your soul to the troll gods, a lot of us have been on the end of some fairly sustained verbal abuse from the evil tubbies.

You can try rewrite things all you like. They are nice to their own players. But that means subscribing to a group of players who espouse being racist, sexist, homophobe - and frankly, nasty towards anyone else as a form of sport. The internet might make some of us stupid, but goading people over a sustained period the way some of the more toxic eve groups have is really off. You reap what you sow.

And for what it's worth, I'd recommend Brave, Signal Cartel, Pandemic Horde [in that order] to new people I know - mainly because of the toxic culture GSF has, and has never managed to fully shake.

So, I was watching this interesting SOV video-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi9_ArJ2mEY and noticed that the only main alliance which survived the time period was the Goonswarm Federation, I'm just curious, as I have lived near goons before, what makes their alliance structure so much different than the other power blocks?

that management style is the solid skeleton, that keeps that mass in form and controls its direction.