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CCP Larrikin C C P C C P Alliance 330	Posted - 2015.11.11 10:37:16 - [1] - Quote Gidday, Here are the initial selections for the focus group - 5pitf1re Scott Ormands Sebastien Saintfrusquin TinkerHell Lorianna Lee OriginalName IV Titus Tallang xttz Lazarus Telraven Tiberizzle NoobMan Jezza McWaffle White Aero nync RoCkEt X Elise Randolph Darren Fox Capqu muhadin Lex Arson Lamhoofd Hashur Ev4 Phantomite Sister Bliss Lord's Servant Max Kolonko CCP reserves the right to remove/add/mute players at will. All logs will be publicly posted (URL to follow). Those applicants that have been accepted, expect an EVEMail soon. All CSM members have an open invitation to attend. Link to the focus group signup Game Designer \| Team Five-0 \| https://twitter.com/CCP_Larrikin

Peter Sunlight Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.11.11 11:07:05 - [2] - Quote I wish those people were all more like muhadin
Moac Tor Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation 312	Posted - 2015.11.11 12:24:53 - [3] - Quote No Lord Maldoror? I can see he did not apply, but surely your missing a massive chunk of capital knowledge by not having the guy who revolutionised the way we all use carriers and the guy who invented the pipe bomb. Looks like you have a tonne of experience in that focus group though so I am sure you will get some good results. Any chance we could get some feedback on this one? We've still had no word on the T3 destroyers. Modulated ECM Effects An Alternative to Skill Trading
Sulzer Wartzilla Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation 28	Posted - 2015.11.11 13:13:28 - [4] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: Gidday, Here are the initial selections for the focus group - 5pitf1re Scott Ormands Sebastien Saintfrusquin TinkerHell Lorianna Lee OriginalName IV Titus Tallang xttz Lazarus Telraven Tiberizzle NoobMan Jezza McWaffle White Aero nync RoCkEt X Elise Randolph Darren Fox Capqu muhadin Lex Arson Lamhoofd Hashur Ev4 Phantomite Sister Bliss Lord's Servant Max Kolonko CCP reserves the right to remove/add/mute players at will. All logs will be publicly posted (URL to follow). Those applicants that have been accepted, expect an EVEMail soon. All CSM members have an open invitation to attend. Link to the focus group signup I made the names links to their application post for those who want to look up names they don't recognize
Indicative Probe Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.11.11 13:33:25 - [5] - Quote Sulzer Wartzilla wrote: CCP Larrikin wrote: Gidday, Here are the initial selections for the focus group - 5pitf1re Scott Ormands Sebastien Saintfrusquin TinkerHell Lorianna Lee OriginalName IV Titus Tallang xttz Lazarus Telraven Tiberizzle NoobMan Jezza McWaffle White Aero nync RoCkEt X Elise Randolph Darren Fox Capqu muhadin Lex Arson Lamhoofd Hashur Ev4 Phantomite Sister Bliss Lord's Servant Max Kolonko CCP reserves the right to remove/add/mute players at will. All logs will be publicly posted (URL to follow). Those applicants that have been accepted, expect an EVEMail soon. All CSM members have an open invitation to attend. Link to the focus group signup I made the names links to their application post for those who want to look up names they don't recognize can i please know who u are ? :)
Buhhdust Princess Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 9287	Posted - 2015.11.11 13:35:47 - [6] - Quote Tink and rocket. Do us proud o7
Olga Romanov Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.11.11 14:14:50 - [7] - Quote Please CCP for the love of ******* god just ban Lord's Servant from it before it starts
Gigi Hadid Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.11.11 14:17:31 - [8] - Quote Welp, caps are dead i guess.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 17218	Posted - 2015.11.11 14:19:12 - [9] - Quote Olga Romanov wrote: Please CCP for the love of ******* god just ban Lord's Servant from it before it starts For their own protection, never mind ours. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2405	Posted - 2015.11.11 14:20:35 - [10] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Olga Romanov wrote: Please CCP for the love of ******* god just ban Lord's Servant from it before it starts For their own protection, never mind ours. Sometimes having someone batshit crazy in there gives a good yardstick to measure other peoples "out there" ideas.

Bj Glitternaut No Vacancies 2	Posted - 2015.11.11 14:27:03 - [11] - Quote redacted
Karash Amerius Sutoka 214	Posted - 2015.11.11 15:31:49 - [12] - Quote So...no Manny as well? I know you removed him from the CSM, but his voice really needs to be in this group (if he is willing). Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1923	Posted - 2015.11.11 17:27:24 - [13] - Quote Karash Amerius wrote: So...no Manny as well? I know you removed him from the CSM, but his voice really needs to be in this group (if he is willing). I think enough people have heard his thoughts on capital ships. CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
ApolloF117 HUN Angels and Demons Inc. Mordus Angels 22	Posted - 2015.11.11 18:04:44 - [14] - Quote Rocket X \o/
Opus Congelatio Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 2	Posted - 2015.11.11 18:30:31 - [15] - Quote Lex Arson, capital mechanics, interesting... GÇ£The greatest burden of living in a free society is enduring the freedom of your neighbors.GÇ¥
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 770	Posted - 2015.11.11 19:59:02 - [16] - Quote CCP Larrikin wrote: Gidday, Here are the initial selections for the focus group - 5pitf1re Scott Ormands Sebastien Saintfrusquin TinkerHell Lorianna Lee OriginalName IV Titus Tallang xttz Lazarus Telraven Tiberizzle NoobMan Jezza McWaffle White Aero nync RoCkEt X Elise Randolph Darren Fox Capqu muhadin Lex Arson Lamhoofd Hashur Ev4 Phantomite Sister Bliss Lord's Servant Max Kolonko CCP reserves the right to remove/add/mute players at will. All logs will be publicly posted (URL to follow). Those applicants that have been accepted, expect an EVEMail soon. All CSM members have an open invitation to attend. Link to the focus group signup LOL - Nothing like keeping your focus groups narrow minded and single focused. You really couldn't have a more biased focus group if you tried. I feel sorry for the couple of WH guys - The odds of being listened to are well against you. As for the rest of Eve, again we get change to suit the worst aspects of Eve. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
CrewSandwich GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 9	Posted - 2015.11.11 20:15:37 - [17] - Quote Opus Congelatio wrote: Lex Arson, capital mechanics, interesting... Maybe he finally trained Fighter Bombers
Quickload Sniggerdly 0	Posted - 2015.11.11 23:42:21 - [18] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: LOL - Nothing like keeping your focus groups narrow minded and single focused. You really couldn't have a more biased focus group if you tried. I feel sorry for the couple of WH guys - The odds of being listened to are well against you. As for the rest of Eve, again we get change to suit the worst aspects of Eve. There are actually several well-versed WH capital pilots on that list, in terms of both WH capital PVP and PVE.
corbexx GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1414	Posted - 2015.11.12 00:11:22 - [19] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: You really couldn't have a more biased focus group if you tried. I feel sorry for the couple of WH guys - The odds of being listened to are well against you. As for the rest of Eve, again we get change to suit the worst aspects of Eve. You know there is 8 or 9 decent wh people. I don't think we'll have problems being listened too. Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Sulzer Wartzilla Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation 32	Posted - 2015.11.12 02:17:22 - [20] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: CCP Larrikin wrote: Gidday, Here are the initial selections for the focus group - 5pitf1re Scott Ormands Sebastien Saintfrusquin TinkerHell Lorianna Lee OriginalName IV Titus Tallang xttz Lazarus Telraven Tiberizzle NoobMan Jezza McWaffle White Aero nync RoCkEt X Elise Randolph Darren Fox Capqu muhadin Lex Arson Lamhoofd Hashur Ev4 Phantomite Sister Bliss Lord's Servant Max Kolonko CCP reserves the right to remove/add/mute players at will. All logs will be publicly posted (URL to follow). Those applicants that have been accepted, expect an EVEMail soon. All CSM members have an open invitation to attend. Link to the focus group signup LOL - Nothing like keeping your focus groups narrow minded and single focused. You really couldn't have a more biased focus group if you tried. I feel sorry for the couple of WH guys - The odds of being listened to are well against you. As for the rest of Eve, again we get change to suit the worst aspects of Eve. You're an idiot. There's 8 dedicated wormhole people, in addition there's lord's servant who has played in w-space a lot, a Thera dweller, the E-UNI guy who lives in w-space, and some HKRAB people among the PL people. To compare, there's 8 sov null people. You should probably stop posting.

Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 772	Posted - 2015.11.12 07:29:27 - [21] - Quote Quickload wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: LOL - Nothing like keeping your focus groups narrow minded and single focused. You really couldn't have a more biased focus group if you tried. I feel sorry for the couple of WH guys - The odds of being listened to are well against you. As for the rest of Eve, again we get change to suit the worst aspects of Eve. There are actually several well-versed WH capital pilots on that list, in terms of both WH capital PVP and PVE. Yes there are - Shame the rest of the group is so unbalanced (or is it simply a Dev bias). and of course balancing capitals to suit Wh'rs is so good for everyone else (no offence to WH, I feel sorry for you as far as these changes go) Why ask for volunteers if your only going to stack the group with members of elitist blob groups? No way can this group give a broad view of how the average player uses (or wishes to use) capitals. CCP continue to make it so evident they don't care about small groups. Setting up the blobs to better maintain balance of power is such a good direction for Eve, or any game for that matter. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
Wander Prian Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 73	Posted - 2015.11.12 15:39:51 - [22] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Quickload wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: LOL - Nothing like keeping your focus groups narrow minded and single focused. You really couldn't have a more biased focus group if you tried. I feel sorry for the couple of WH guys - The odds of being listened to are well against you. As for the rest of Eve, again we get change to suit the worst aspects of Eve. There are actually several well-versed WH capital pilots on that list, in terms of both WH capital PVP and PVE. Yes there are - Shame the rest of the group is so unbalanced (or is it simply a Dev bias). and of course balancing capitals to suit Wh'rs is so good for everyone else (no offence to WH, I feel sorry for you as far as these changes go) Why ask for volunteers if your only going to stack the group with members of elitist blob groups? No way can this group give a broad view of how the average player uses (or wishes to use) capitals. CCP continue to make it so evident they don't care about small groups. Setting up the blobs to better maintain balance of power is such a good direction for Eve, or any game for that matter. You did realise that most WH-corps are quite small? Most fights are done with under 10 capitals on field and wormholers also like to drop capitals into nullsec to cause chaos. Hell, Lords has done solo pvp with a dread... While yes, w-space has some unique challenges, we still know how to use capitals in small numbers.
xttz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 750	Posted - 2015.11.12 17:52:44 - [23] - Quote Sulzer Wartzilla wrote: You're an idiot. There's 8 dedicated wormhole people, in addition there's lord's servant who has played in w-space a lot, a Thera dweller, the E-UNI guy who lives in w-space, and some HKRAB people among the PL people. To compare, there's 8 sov null people. You should probably stop posting. You know the kind of people who comment on Fox news articles ranting about "dem darn immigrants taking ma jerbs"? Ocker is the EVE equivalent that, only with blobs instead* of foreigners. You can't counter his little diatribes with your crazy concepts of 'logic' and 'facts'; they're not welcome and certainly not understood. *to be fair he could also be a racist too, I don't know
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.12 19:40:43 - [24] - Quote Incompetent - 3 Unknown - 4 Corrupt - 12 Good - 7 This is literally worse than T3 group. I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve.
xttz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 751	Posted - 2015.11.13 00:25:12 - [25] - Quote Confirming I've been corrupted by the Big Cap lobby. All I have to do is sneak in a few Nyx buffs to increase sales and I get a holiday to Hawaii!
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3222	Posted - 2015.11.13 00:52:33 - [26] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Incompetent - 3 Unknown - 4 Corrupt - 12 Good - 7 This is literally worse than T3 group. I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve. Oh come ON. There has to be some overlap. I am sure at least one person is incompetent, unknown AND corrupt. m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 772	Posted - 2015.11.13 00:58:39 - [27] - Quote xttz wrote: Sulzer Wartzilla wrote: You're an idiot. There's 8 dedicated wormhole people, in addition there's lord's servant who has played in w-space a lot, a Thera dweller, the E-UNI guy who lives in w-space, and some HKRAB people among the PL people. To compare, there's 8 sov null people. You should probably stop posting. You know the kind of people who comment on Fox news articles ranting about "dem darn immigrants taking ma jerbs"? Ocker is the EVE equivalent that, only with blobs instead* of foreigners. You can't counter his little diatribes with your crazy concepts of 'logic' and 'facts'; they're not welcome and certainly not understood. *to be fair he could also be a racist too, I don't know Did you guys even read what I wrote. I'm sure many who come here to these forums just can't understand simple English and so interpret posts how they want them to read. Fixating on the fact there are WH representatives in the group, when that is far from the point - So narrow minded. I acknowledged the WH guys I knew and said I felt for them - If in fact your right and the group does have 9 dedicated Wh's - that is worse. Between the WH guys and the blob representatives - Where do the rest of us get our voice - Oh thats right - We don't fukin matter because I'm an idiot who can't see when a focus group is stacked AGAINST his (and his groups) style of play. Yes xttz - Blobber who just doesn't play eve - We all want PL and Goons to decide how the rest of us use Capitals in K space - Because that is a great idea. As for Sulzer - Try reading what I wrote and replying - Don't bother replying to what you THINK I said. (8 of the top 10 listed + another 4 at least, lower down the list, all nul groups - if my math is right 8 + 4 = 12 :- not 8) -- - -- - -- - -- Personally I don't give a crap about WH escalations - If CCP balance Capitals so a niche group can run escalations it is no better than them balancing them for the likes of xttz and the risk averse group he plays with. (log in once a month or so at the bequest of the blob lords to get on kills or in Xttz's case - every few years) -- - -- - -- - -- Wander Prian - Another one who didn't read what I wrote - Or just thought it pertinent to add useless information - If most WH groups are so small, why do they need 9 representatives on the focus group when small group K space player groups - Who also field 10 or so dreads but live with the threat of the blobs dropping on them every time - Don't get a voice. Not one representative from a small unaligned group - Yet someone who has not participated in a fight for 3 years is ok? CCP Bias or just this Dev? (picking your friends does not make broad focused group) Your WH capitals are safe from the rest of New Edens capital groups - Don't see PL dropping 50 supers on your 10 dreads - Do you? (It happens to us often) My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
Lazarus Telraven Amok. Goonswarm Federation 93	Posted - 2015.11.13 02:44:48 - [28] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Incompetent - 3 Unknown - 4 Corrupt - 12 Good - 7 This is literally worse than T3 group. I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve. I know I'm not very well known, but to put me in the unknown list hurts my feelings :\
Jezza McWaffle Isogen 5 259	Posted - 2015.11.13 07:53:03 - [29] - Quote The rage in this thread is so hard it makes my ears bleed. And what exactly do you think we talk about in the channel? Grrrrr must make capitals work only for us and nobody else and CCP better not stray from exactly we are saying. Christ your dumb. You realise our focus is on making capital gameplay fun right? You understand the concept of fun, you know the reason why you play the game, for fun. Wormholes worst badass \| Checkout my Wormhole blog
Always Shi t Posting 9	Posted - 2015.11.13 08:31:11 - [30] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: wall of insane nerdrage Heh you are pretty nuts dude

5pitf1re Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 82	Posted - 2015.11.13 08:56:04 - [31] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Incompetent - 3 Unknown - 4 Corrupt - 12 Good - 7 This is literally worse than T3 group. I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve. I wasn't aware that being known or famous would be a requirement for experience. TIL.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.13 10:14:49 - [32] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Incompetent - 3 Unknown - 4 Corrupt - 12 Good - 7 This is literally worse than T3 group. I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve. Oh come ON. There has to be some overlap. I am sure at least one person is incompetent, unknown AND corrupt. m You are the overlap of Incompetent, Corrupt and Vegetable, Mike. Is there anything you do at all, except listening to your gewn masters and trying to be smug on forums?
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.13 10:16:41 - [33] - Quote 5pitf1re wrote: I wasn't aware that being known or famous would be a requirement for experience. TIL. Unknown only means I wasn't able to draw a conclusion based on killboards, posting and corp history to reliably place a person within any other group. It doesn't mean nobody knows a guy, it's his intentions that are unknown.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.13 10:19:14 - [34] - Quote Lazarus Telraven wrote: I know I'm not very well known, but to put me in the unknown list hurts my feelings :\ You are not known at all, but your affiliation has clearly placed you within a group, intentions of which are definitely not unknown.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.13 10:44:22 - [35] - Quote Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions... Gewnie intentions reek from miles away: 1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range. 2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1). 3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies. Pathetic Legion intentions clash with the former: 1) Undo Phoebe, because butthurt. 2) Secure and expand dropping capitals on rifters, as a consequence of 1) 3) Obtain and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for moving capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into offensive N+1 superweapons to secure the tear income sources until eve dies. They will quickly push for the respective 3) together, forming a corrupt coalition, but the following ego clash over the rest of the respective agendas would probably be fun to see.
Lazarus Telraven Amok. Goonswarm Federation 93	Posted - 2015.11.13 11:47:58 - [36] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions... Gewnie intentions reek from miles away: 1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range. 2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1). 3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies. Pathetic Legion intentions clash with the former: 1) Undo Phoebe, because butthurt. 2) Secure and expand dropping capitals on rifters, as a consequence of 1) 3) Obtain and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for moving capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into offensive N+1 superweapons to secure the tear income sources until eve dies. They will quickly push for the respective 3) together, forming a corrupt coalition, but the following ego clash over the rest of the respective agendas would probably be fun to see. I am going to refrain trolling the **** out of you because it would be too easy. 1.) If you could take the tin foil hat off for a few seconds and look at some of the things I have said in regards to supers you will know I am one of the biggest advocates for fixing supers so that small groups can operate moderately safely with them. Especially the guys and gals trying to move their super through lowsec. (I can move my supers through lowsec because I have a fleet of 100 of them) 2.) the 'Gewnies' don't care about 'protecting deklein' most of our active ratters enjoy the combat when they get tackled, check MoA and NCdot killboard for the past months you will see that Deklein isn't some safe mecca. 3.) You can currently make more isk doing HiSec incursions with complete safety. 4.) There is a wide variety of different viewpoints in this group from many different parts of EVE. 5.) You have no idea what the top level of this games motives are as shown by your 8 bullet points. No one wants EVE to die. 6.) The #1 goal of everyone I know is for capitals to have a reason to be fielded thus being put at risk for pvp purposes. 7.) The logs of the slack channel will be logged and made public so everyone will know whats going in.
5pitf1re Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 82	Posted - 2015.11.13 11:51:37 - [37] - Quote Lazarus Telraven wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions... Gewnie intentions reek from miles away: 1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range. 2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1). 3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies. Pathetic Legion intentions clash with the former: 1) Undo Phoebe, because butthurt. 2) Secure and expand dropping capitals on rifters, as a consequence of 1) 3) Obtain and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for moving capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into offensive N+1 superweapons to secure the tear income sources until eve dies. They will quickly push for the respective 3) together, forming a corrupt coalition, but the following ego clash over the rest of the respective agendas would probably be fun to see. I am going to refrain trolling the **** out of you because it would be too easy. 1.) If you could take the tin foil hat off for a few seconds and look at some of the things I have said in regards to supers you will know I am one of the biggest advocates for fixing supers so that small groups can operate moderately safely with them. Especially the guys and gals trying to move their super through lowsec. (I can move my supers through lowsec because I have a fleet of 100 of them) 2.) the 'Gewnies' don't care about 'protecting deklein' most of our active ratters enjoy the combat when they get tackled, check MoA and NCdot killboard for the past months you will see that Deklein isn't some safe mecca. 3.) You can currently make more isk doing HiSec incursions with complete safety. 4.) There is a wide variety of different viewpoints in this group from many different parts of EVE. 5.) You have no idea what the top level of this games motives are as shown by your 8 bullet points. No one wants EVE to die. 6.) The #1 goal of everyone I know is for capitals to have a reason to be fielded thus being put at risk for pvp purposes. 7.) The logs of the slack channel will be logged and made public so everyone will know whats going in. All of your points are invalid. Who even are you!? Should we know you? :D
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 772	Posted - 2015.11.13 12:51:36 - [38] - Quote Lazarus Telraven wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions... Gewnie intentions reek from miles away: 1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range. 2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1). 3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies. Pathetic Legion intentions clash with the former: 1) Undo Phoebe, because butthurt. 2) Secure and expand dropping capitals on rifters, as a consequence of 1) 3) Obtain and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for moving capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into offensive N+1 superweapons to secure the tear income sources until eve dies. They will quickly push for the respective 3) together, forming a corrupt coalition, but the following ego clash over the rest of the respective agendas would probably be fun to see. I am going to refrain trolling the **** out of you because it would be too easy. 1.) If you could take the tin foil hat off for a few seconds and look at some of the things I have said in regards to supers you will know I am one of the biggest advocates for fixing supers so that small groups can operate moderately safely with them. Especially the guys and gals trying to move their super through lowsec. (I can move my supers through lowsec because I have a fleet of 100 of them) 2.) the 'Gewnies' don't care about 'protecting deklein' most of our active ratters enjoy the combat when they get tackled, check MoA and NCdot killboard for the past months you will see that Deklein isn't some safe mecca. 3.) You can currently make more isk doing HiSec incursions with complete safety. 4.) There is a wide variety of different viewpoints in this group from many different parts of EVE. 5.) You have no idea what the top level of this games motives are as shown by your 8 bullet points. No one wants EVE to die. 6.) The #1 goal of everyone I know is for capitals to have a reason to be fielded thus being put at risk for pvp purposes. 7.) The logs of the slack channel will be logged and made public so everyone will know whats going in. 6) (the only one worth responding to) - Is not going to be achieved while ever groups like your exist - You simply create too much imbalance with your risk averse game play. Until there is reason for the large dominating groups to fight each other - Small groups will always be "content" for the blobs. CCP has no idea how to and no intention of, getting the blobbers to fight each other, so nothing changes. (As long as they keep paying subs CCP is happy - Small groups don't matter) Capital ship changes.. Jump nerfs and fatigue.. Citadels.. All worse for small groups than blobs. No amount of ship balancing or new Citadels (Which further limit the ability of smaller groups to operate supers, optimally) is going to change the risk averse nature of PVP in Eve. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.13 12:57:51 - [39] - Quote Lazarus Telraven wrote: I am going to refrain trolling the ** out of you because it would be too easy. That's right, go back to your ratting nyx. Lazarus Telraven wrote:** 1.) If you could take the tin foil hat off for a few seconds and look at some of the things I have said in regards to supers you will know I am one of the biggest advocates for fixing supers so that small groups can operate moderately safely with them. Especially the guys and gals trying to move their super through lowsec. (I can move my supers through lowsec because I have a fleet of 100 of them) 2.) the 'Gewnies' don't care about 'protecting deklein' most of our active ratters enjoy the combat when they get tackled, check MoA and NCdot killboard for the past months you will see that Deklein isn't some safe mecca. 3.) You can currently make more isk doing HiSec incursions with complete safety. 4.) There is a wide variety of different viewpoints in this group from many different parts of EVE. 5.) You have no idea what the top level of this games motives are as shown by your 8 bullet points. No one wants EVE to die. 6.) The #1 goal of everyone I know is for capitals to have a reason to be fielded thus being put at risk for pvp purposes. 7.) The logs of the slack channel will be logged and made public so everyone will know whats going in. 1) Yep, in full accordance with Pathetic Legion point 3), you already push for safety mechanics when moving supers. So far you're supporting my call. 2) Sure, sure. Gewn tears are always tasty, keep them coming. I not only read the killboards, but also the MoA mail section, you know. So much "enjoyment" there, oh my. Just remembering the interceptor tears... yum! 3) "Nerf hisec". Now we're back to citating gewn forum crying guidelines. The incursion point has been refuted many times, update your guidelines already. 4) I never denied variety. I just stated a fact that within this group there is a corrupt cell which has ulterior motives. 5) Sure, sure. Not to die, just to be milked to the bone at the expense of everything else. And then die. 6) The #1 goal of your corrupt party is to remove any and all risk to your $$$. Don't bother denying the obvious, you've been at it for years. 7) So what? You'll get a deal under the table with the other corrupt party and both make a push for priorities I stated, with a fake agenda - maybe the usual "help the little guy" or something more fitting to the cause, I don't really care to take apart the double face charade here. I just state that the double face will appear, and for whatever fake reasoning it bring, will push towards the priorities I stated.
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 772	Posted - 2015.11.13 13:04:12 - [40] - Quote Always Shi wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: wall of insane nerdrage Heh you are pretty nuts dude If pointing out others shortcomings and failures to understand simple English is nuts - Then yes I am. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.

FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1929	Posted - 2015.11.13 13:08:17 - [41] - Quote Lazarus Telraven wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Incompetent - 3 Unknown - 4 Corrupt - 12 Good - 7 This is literally worse than T3 group. I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve. I know I'm not very well known, but to put me in the unknown list hurts my feelings :\ You certainly were not on his "Good" list... CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.13 13:17:54 - [42] - Quote FT Diomedes wrote: You certainly were not on his "Good" list... You forgot "...and for a good reason". People who drop whole regions of content to hole up where drops can't reach them, surrounding themselves with fake targets like renters from those who come like the real men - don't deserve to be anywhere near the good list.
Moac Tor Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation 316	Posted - 2015.11.13 13:37:53 - [43] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: FT Diomedes wrote: You certainly were not on his "Good" list... You forgot "...and for a good reason". People who drop whole regions of content to hole up where drops can't reach them, surrounding themselves with fake targets like renters from those who come like the real men - don't deserve to be anywhere near the good list. Is this a joke or are you serious?... You do realise that Larrikin will be publishing all of the logs too right? Modulated ECM Effects An Alternative to Skill Trading
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 773	Posted - 2015.11.13 13:41:04 - [44] - Quote Lazarus Telraven wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Incompetent - 3 Unknown - 4 Corrupt - 12 Good - 7 This is literally worse than T3 group. I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve. I know I'm not very well known, but to put me in the unknown list hurts my feelings :\ Seems you put yourself in the "unknown" group. Most of us know your intentions are not in the best interest of Eve as a whole, your alliance alone says that (maybe not corrupt but certainly biased) My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
Lazarus Telraven Amok. Goonswarm Federation 94	Posted - 2015.11.13 13:44:50 - [45] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: FT Diomedes wrote: You certainly were not on his "Good" list... You forgot "...and for a good reason". People who drop whole regions of content to hole up where drops can't reach them, surrounding themselves with fake targets like renters from those who come like the real men - don't deserve to be anywhere near the good list. We have some open space in Pure Blind if you're looking to rent, good price and I will personally protect your space from all of the bad guys.
Minty Aroma Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 61	Posted - 2015.11.13 14:41:13 - [46] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Always Shi wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: wall of insane nerdrage Heh you are pretty nuts dude Nuts response trying to sound witty Confirmed completely insane - please take your free straight jacket courtesy of the government in the country you live in on the way out.
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 773	Posted - 2015.11.13 14:58:52 - [47] - Quote Minty Aroma wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Always Shi wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: wall of insane nerdrage Heh you are pretty nuts dude Nuts response trying to sound witty Confirmed completely insane - please take your free straight jacket courtesy of the government in the country you live in on the way out. Ahh Gee, a lil Goon drone making an inane, uninformed comment comment - So cute. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
ChYph3r Amok. Goonswarm Federation 163	Posted - 2015.11.13 17:03:12 - [48] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Minty Aroma wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Always Shi wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: wall of insane nerdrage Heh you are pretty nuts dude Nuts response trying to sound witty Confirmed completely insane - please take your free straight jacket courtesy of the government in the country you live in on the way out. Ahh Gee, a lil Goon drone making an inane, uninformed comment comment - So cute. Can your grr gons get any deeper, please inform us were the little bee touched you so that we can get you the proper psychological help. Want to find all the podcasts around EVE Online visit http://evepodcasts.com @chyph3r on Twitter
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.13 18:18:51 - [49] - Quote Lazarus Telraven wrote: We have some open space in Pure Blind if you're looking to rent, good price and I will personally protect your space from all of the bad guys. Will definitely settle around when gewnies are evicted, just to personally protect my space from all the gewn guys. Thanks for the offer. Lazarus Telraven wrote: What should I have for breakfast you guys seem to know a lot about me. I mean I don't know much, I typically sit in deklein for 6-8 hours a day ratting on my 3 alts. And you still can't deny that's what your whole coalition does more than anything else.
xttz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 754	Posted - 2015.11.13 18:22:33 - [50] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions... Gewnie intentions reek from miles away: 1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range. 2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1). 3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies. As it happens, the points I personally plan to advocate in the focus group are: 1) Increase jump range and nerf watchlist to bring back hotdrop/counter-drop play, but keep a version of the current system to prevent people to cross the map super-fast. 2) Carrier ratting is dumb as hell and needs to die in a fire. 3) See above 4) Supercaps should be an inspirational part of the game that drives people to both field them and kill them, without returning to being an N+1 apex ship. The logs will all be public too.

Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.13 18:31:26 - [51] - Quote xttz wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions... Gewnie intentions reek from miles away: 1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range. 2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1). 3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies. As it happens, some points I personally plan to advocate in the focus group are: 1) Increase jump range and nerf watchlist to bring back hotdrop/counter-drop play, but keep a version of the current system to prevent people to cross the map super-fast. 2) Carrier ratting is dumb as hell and needs to die in a fire. 3) See above 4) Supercaps should be an inspirational part of the game that drives people to both field them and kill them, without returning to being an N+1 apex ship. The logs will all be public too. 1) In full accordance with corrupt party goals - both empower hotdrops and safety mechanics. I see the undertable dealing is going full steam. 2) To be replaced with supercapital ratting your coalition does? Or maybe dread ratting? I don't really care what you say on the issue though, your coalition would simply threaten to kick you if anything you say won't go in accordance with their "rat for the $$$ god" agenda, so either way you'll have it worked out with your master. 3) see above (1) 4) And then you're going to say there was no way to do anything else with them but make them into defensive N+1 superweapons because any other way they won't be inspirational part of the only game your coalition knows - the sanctum farming game.
OriginalName IV Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective 3	Posted - 2015.11.13 19:18:47 - [52] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Incompetent - 3 Unknown - 4 Corrupt - 12 Good - 7 This is literally worse than T3 group. I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve. I'm really pleased that somebody else thinks im incompetent.
Capqu Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 1184	Posted - 2015.11.13 19:45:31 - [53] - Quote jesus cripes u guys are dumb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.13 20:04:28 - [54] - Quote OriginalName IV wrote: I'm really pleased that somebody else thinks im incompetent. The way you can locate yourself is the best proof of correct placement. Let me know what your agenda is, and I'll gladly correct myself placing you into corrupt group.
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 773	Posted - 2015.11.13 20:45:22 - [55] - Quote ChYph3r wrote: Can your grr gons get any deeper, please inform us were the little bee touched you so that we can get you the proper psychological help. I was an unfortunate member for a good while. Being around fools and puppets for so long left me jaded. For some, the risk averse nature of Goon game play is just too much - It is boring, it is game breaking - it is just pitiful. Now lets see, a slightly closer look. BOB were an all dominating group no-one liked - GOONS is an all dominating group no-one likes. Only difference is, Goons could never achieve what BOB did without all their pets. Goons alone are nothing and would soon fade into oblivion to become just another alliance - Which is the only reason they cling so tightly to a style of play others want to abandon - For the good of the game. Goons are what force smaller groups to seek out other groups and align (or quit nulsec and move to lowsec), which in turn causes stagnant boring game play - Without coalitions Eve would be a vibrant lively battleground - More than likely, without Goons because they simply could not survive as an alliance. CCP need to accept most the blame for the sad state of nulsec game play - They allowed it to happen. Goons and pets, renters, whatever you choose to call them, are just the risk averse fools too afraid to change and play the game.. -- - -- - -- - -- So in answer, no my Grrr can't get any deeper - Goon game play = BAD for Eve. You did ask............ My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
Syndic Thrass Amok. Goonswarm Federation 147	Posted - 2015.11.13 22:57:54 - [56] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: ChYph3r wrote: Can your grr gons get any deeper, please inform us were the little bee touched you so that we can get you the proper psychological help. I was an unfortunate member for a good while. Being around fools and puppets for so long left me jaded. For some, the risk averse nature of Goon game play is just too much - It is boring, it is game breaking - it is just pitiful. Now lets see, a slightly closer look. BOB were an all dominating group no-one liked - GOONS is an all dominating group no-one likes. Only difference is, Goons could never achieve what BOB did without all their pets. Goons alone are nothing and would soon fade into oblivion to become just another alliance - Which is the only reason they cling so tightly to a style of play others want to abandon - For the good of the game. Goons are what force smaller groups to seek out other groups and align (or quit nulsec and move to lowsec), which in turn causes stagnant boring game play - Without coalitions Eve would be a vibrant lively battleground - More than likely, without Goons because they simply could not survive as an alliance. CCP need to accept most the blame for the sad state of nulsec game play - They allowed it to happen. Goons and pets, renters, whatever you choose to call them, are just the risk averse fools too afraid to change and play the game.. -- - -- - -- - -- So in answer, no my Grrr can't get any deeper - Goon game play = BAD for Eve. You did ask............ I can't imagine how you didnt get along well and fit right in with the puppets and fools with posting like that Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 773	Posted - 2015.11.13 23:34:33 - [57] - Quote Syndic Thrass wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: ChYph3r wrote: Can your grr gons get any deeper, please inform us were the little bee touched you so that we can get you the proper psychological help. I was an unfortunate member for a good while. Being around fools and puppets for so long left me jaded. For some, the risk averse nature of Goon game play is just too much - It is boring, it is game breaking - it is just pitiful. Now lets see, a slightly closer look. BOB were an all dominating group no-one liked - GOONS is an all dominating group no-one likes. Only difference is, Goons could never achieve what BOB did without all their pets. Goons alone are nothing and would soon fade into oblivion to become just another alliance - Which is the only reason they cling so tightly to a style of play others want to abandon - For the good of the game. Goons are what force smaller groups to seek out other groups and align (or quit nulsec and move to lowsec), which in turn causes stagnant boring game play - Without coalitions Eve would be a vibrant lively battleground - More than likely, without Goons because they simply could not survive as an alliance. CCP need to accept most the blame for the sad state of nulsec game play - They allowed it to happen. Goons and pets, renters, whatever you choose to call them, are just the risk averse fools too afraid to change and play the game.. -- - -- - -- - -- So in answer, no my Grrr can't get any deeper - Goon game play = BAD for Eve. You did ask............ I can't imagine how you didnt get along well and fit right in with the puppets and fools with posting like that That was part of the problem. I was starting to feel I did fit in with the likes of you. There is more to Eve than the risk averse nature of the CFC (change the name to whatever you want - doesn't change what you are) My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
Sitting Bull Lakota Ministry of War Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2015.11.14 09:44:04 - [58] - Quote I hope in the next round of special commodities we can get a tin-foil hat to commemorate this thread. Seriously, y'all mother-úuGé¼#ers need to go the #&!\ outside and breath some fresh air.
DrysonBennington Aliastra Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2015.11.14 09:50:03 - [59] - Quote Yawn...guess we had better undock.
RoCkEt X Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 171	Posted - 2015.11.14 19:45:50 - [60] - Quote What group do i come under? LOL

Scott Ormands The Desolate Order Brave Collective 62	Posted - 2015.11.14 20:02:44 - [61] - Quote I'm also curious where I come in.
Faren Shalni Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 155	Posted - 2015.11.14 20:42:50 - [62] - Quote I must admit this thread is entertaining So Much Space
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 1452	Posted - 2015.11.14 22:16:36 - [63] - Quote I'm good, right guy who has been in Darkness for 3 weeks? ~
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 774	Posted - 2015.11.14 22:50:23 - [64] - Quote Elise Randolph wrote: I'm good, right guy who has been in Darkness for 3 weeks? I presume your meaningless comment is directed at me? Little hint - I don't post with my main Fun question - 1. Do you know me (not my forum alt), 2. or anything about me? Answer to part 1, yes you do. Part 2, not much obviously. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 774	Posted - 2015.11.14 22:52:05 - [65] - Quote Scott Ormands wrote: I'm also curious where I come in. Funny. I would have thought, if you have to ask the answer would be obvious. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
Scott Ormands The Desolate Order Brave Collective 62	Posted - 2015.11.15 03:26:33 - [66] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Scott Ormands wrote: I'm also curious where I come in. Funny. I would have thought, if you have to ask the answer would be obvious. (does anyone have a link to the slack logs.. are they available yet?) Well obviously I'm unknown, but the question remains as to whether I'm also incompetent or corrupt, maybe both. Since you seem to be so great at passing judgement on people you don't actually know I figured i just must know what you think of me. It's just oh so important. P.S. Selling out my adgenda for 10B isk and a vouch to PL.
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 774	Posted - 2015.11.15 04:19:25 - [67] - Quote Scott Ormands wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Scott Ormands wrote: I'm also curious where I come in. Funny. I would have thought, if you have to ask the answer would be obvious. (does anyone have a link to the slack logs.. are they available yet?) Well obviously I'm unknown, but the question remains as to whether I'm also incompetent or corrupt, maybe both. Since you seem to be so great at passing judgement on people you don't actually know I figured i just must know what you think of me. It's just oh so important. P.S. Selling out my adgenda for 10B isk and a vouch to PL. Actually I haven't passed judgement on anyone I don't either know (as in have spoken to on more than one occasion, been in fleet with many times, etc) or have had other 1st hand experience in game with. You on the other hand are making unfounded false accusations - I'd now put you in the incompetent and corrupt groups. Narrow minded (unable to separate truth from fiction), unknown and therefore untrustworthy, come to mind too but I didn't make the list of who's who, so didn't get to pick the categories (that was actually someone else). Logs aren't edited enough for public viewing yet? My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
Elise Randolph Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 1452	Posted - 2015.11.15 05:53:36 - [68] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Elise Randolph wrote: I'm good, right guy who has been in Darkness for 3 weeks? I presume your meaningless comment is directed at me? Little hint - I don't post with my main Fun question - 1. Do you know me (not my forum alt), 2. or anything about me? Answer to part 1, yes you do. Part 2, not much obviously. Woah you need to relax and be more like the man Bob Ross believes you can be. ~
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.15 07:06:53 - [69] - Quote RoCkEt X wrote: What group do i come under? LOL Your allegiance clearly places you within Corrupt. Your wall of text was nothing but meaningless bunch of crap until chapter 3, which revealed it all to be nothing more than crying to nerf already minimal and borderline pointless fatigue to a completely meaningless token mechanic state. This is also in line with your allegiance agenda, which confirms your placement as Corrupt. I have no evidence that you belong in any other group more than to the current. Scott Ormands wrote: I'm also curious where I come in. Fake curiosity reeks, you know.
5pitf1re agony unleashed Agony Empire 85	Posted - 2015.11.15 09:38:32 - [70] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: Logs aren't edited enough for public viewing yet? You need to take your tinfoil off man. The group hasn't even begun with official feedback yet.

RoCkEt X Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 171	Posted - 2015.11.15 09:57:34 - [71] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: RoCkEt X wrote: What group do i come under? LOL Your allegiance clearly places you within Corrupt. Your wall of text was nothing but meaningless bunch of crap until chapter 3, which revealed it all to be nothing more than crying to nerf already minimal and borderline pointless fatigue to a completely meaningless token mechanic state. This is also in line with your allegiance agenda, which confirms your placement as Corrupt. I have no evidence that you belong in any other group more than to the current. Scott Ormands wrote: I'm also curious where I come in. Fake curiosity reeks, you know. You're an idiot... LOL
Ellendras Silver CrashCat Corporation 218	Posted - 2015.11.15 13:30:40 - [72] - Quote xttz wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions... Gewnie intentions reek from miles away: 1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range. 2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1). 3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies. As it happens, some points I personally plan to advocate in the focus group are: 1) Increase jump range and nerf watchlist to bring back hotdrop/counter-drop play, but keep a version of the current system to prevent people to cross the map super-fast. 2) Carrier ratting is dumb as hell and needs to die in a fire. 3) See above 4) Supercaps should be an inspirational part of the game that drives people to both field them and kill them, without returning to being an N+1 apex ship. The logs will all be public too. tell me and please use arguments, why carrier ratting is dumb and should die? [u]Carpe noctem[/u]
5pitf1re Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 86	Posted - 2015.11.15 16:04:05 - [73] - Quote Ellendras Silver wrote: xttz wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions... Gewnie intentions reek from miles away: 1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range. 2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1). 3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies. As it happens, some points I personally plan to advocate in the focus group are: 1) Increase jump range and nerf watchlist to bring back hotdrop/counter-drop play, but keep a version of the current system to prevent people to cross the map super-fast. 2) Carrier ratting is dumb as hell and needs to die in a fire. 3) See above 4) Supercaps should be an inspirational part of the game that drives people to both field them and kill them, without returning to being an N+1 apex ship. The logs will all be public too. tell me and please use arguments, why carrier ratting is dumb and should die? I'm fairly sure he means AFK carrier ratting and I agree with it. AFK farming activities should die in a fire.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.15 16:24:27 - [74] - Quote RoCkEt X wrote: You're an idiot... LOL Dear CCP, please note the level of argumentation presented by the one you chose as focus group participant. If anyone asks, I'm for booting.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3369	Posted - 2015.11.15 17:34:30 - [75] - Quote 5pitf1re wrote: I'm fairly sure he means AFK carrier ratting and I agree with it. AFK farming activities should die in a fire. Good job that from what we've seen of the new fighter squadrons they look to be dependant on the player actively controlling them. Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
5pitf1re Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 86	Posted - 2015.11.15 18:59:33 - [76] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: 5pitf1re wrote: I'm fairly sure he means AFK carrier ratting and I agree with it. AFK farming activities should die in a fire. So when do moons depart from eve, again? I'm not going to defend the afk activities, but dishing out on all of them indiscriminately will give you a bad dialectic stance. Of course there is no way to get rid of all the AFK farming options. Mining being one of them. It would involve profound mechanical changes which also means human resources. I also like the discussions around NPCs becoming smarter, possibly using the burner mission AI everywhere in EVE, that would be really cool.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2396	Posted - 2015.11.15 19:44:42 - [77] - Quote Scatim Helicon wrote: 5pitf1re wrote: I'm fairly sure he means AFK carrier ratting and I agree with it. AFK farming activities should die in a fire. Good job that from what we've seen of the new fighter squadrons they look to be dependant on the player actively controlling them. They could of just removed the "feature" that drone auto attack enemies and be done with this stupidity tho.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2015.11.15 20:56:43 - [78] - Quote 5pitf1re wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: 5pitf1re wrote: I'm fairly sure he means AFK carrier ratting and I agree with it. AFK farming activities should die in a fire. So when do moons depart from eve, again? I'm not going to defend the afk activities, but dishing out on all of them indiscriminately will give you a bad dialectic stance. Of course there is no way to get rid of all the AFK farming options. Mining being one of them. It would involve profound mechanical changes which also means human resources. I also like the discussions around NPCs becoming smarter, possibly using the burner mission AI everywhere in EVE, that would be really cool. Mining in a fleet is by no way an afk activity. Rocks pop, cargohold overflows every 2.5 minutes, and somebody has to haul. If you only know how to mine solo and presumably afk - your problem, don't ruin it for people who know how interaction intensive a real mining is. Afkarrier and afktar are indeed afk though. Feel free to wreck. Frostys Virpio wrote: They could of just removed the "feature" that drone auto attack enemies and be done with this stupidity tho. ECM really needs buffs that badly?
Ellendras Silver CrashCat Corporation 218	Posted - 2015.11.15 21:01:32 - [79] - Quote 5pitf1re wrote: Ellendras Silver wrote: xttz wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Wish I could take a peek at the clawing of two corrupt groups with conflicting intentions... Gewnie intentions reek from miles away: 1) Protect the blessed jump range reduction that keeps Deklein out of hotdrop range. 2) Secure and expand the capital ratting, flourishing as a consequence of 1). 3) Preserve and expand the impenetrable safety mechanics for ratting capitals. 4) Turn supercapitals into defensive N+1 superweapons to secure the irl income sources until eve dies. As it happens, some points I personally plan to advocate in the focus group are: 1) Increase jump range and nerf watchlist to bring back hotdrop/counter-drop play, but keep a version of the current system to prevent people to cross the map super-fast. 2) Carrier ratting is dumb as hell and needs to die in a fire. 3) See above 4) Supercaps should be an inspirational part of the game that drives people to both field them and kill them, without returning to being an N+1 apex ship. The logs will all be public too. tell me and please use arguments, why carrier ratting is dumb and should die? I'm fairly sure he means AFK carrier ratting and I agree with it. AFK farming activities should die in a fire. you may be fairly sure, i am not. i hate assumptions so i try never to make them (don't claim i always succeed at it) [u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Kenneth Feld Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 320	Posted - 2015.11.15 21:03:14 - [80] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: RoCkEt X wrote: You're an idiot... LOL Dear CCP, please note the level of argumentation presented by the one you chose as focus group participant. If anyone asks, I'm for booting. 5pitf1re wrote: I'm fairly sure he means AFK carrier ratting and I agree with it. AFK farming activities should die in a fire. So when do moons depart from eve, again? I'm not going to defend the afk activities, but dishing out on all of them indiscriminately will give you a bad dialectic stance. Moons will depart when drilling platforms are released

Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 774	Posted - 2015.11.15 21:17:21 - [81] - Quote 5pitf1re wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Logs aren't edited enough for public viewing yet? You need to take your tinfoil off man. The group hasn't even begun with official feedback yet. So when is what has been discussed going to be available. No tinfoil needed you just confirmed, what you responded to as correct. I'm pretty sure when someone says ALL LOGS, it should mean all logs. Only "official" feedback will be available to players - Stinks of - Get your deals in before the logs are "official feedback", that way you can be seen to be seeking some sort of balance officially while having already got what you want privately. That is what you just said above - Isn't it? Talk about reducing your credibility. This is eve where telling lies, backstabbing and self serving interest groups, are part of daily game play. Maybe I've spent too much time dealing with self serving political groups and individuals (in and out of Eve) to be open minded about a group who could potentially further reduce (remove) my ability to play the way I choose - IE; not in blobs. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
MrQuisno Steelmaze 6	Posted - 2015.11.15 21:50:22 - [82] - Quote Hello, I would like to join the focus group for capital ships. As over the last few years I been pushing many ideas on the forums for how it would be awesome to change up some of the capitals and fighters. I have push ideas like fittings to fighters or even different type of classes. Glad to see some of the ideas got used. Nerfing the capital ships HP to make them the players pick a path to all dps or tank. I still think we are still missing a capital ship here. Why can't we get a super class for force Auxiliary with special abilities. You would use these type of ships which give special abilities out side the scope of command ships. Giving you extra fitting slot high med or low maybe even rigs. Instead of stacking penalties of using more then one type of module. In other words say you wanted to fit 4 cargo slots in the low. With this ship you would get same bounes for 4 fitted but would be able to free up one extra slot to fit what ever you liked.
Lazarus Telraven Amok. Goonswarm Federation 96	Posted - 2015.11.15 22:22:12 - [83] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: 5pitf1re wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: Logs aren't edited enough for public viewing yet? You need to take your tinfoil off man. The group hasn't even begun with official feedback yet. So when is what has been discussed going to be available. No tinfoil needed you just confirmed, what you responded to as correct. I'm pretty sure when someone says ALL LOGS, it should mean all logs. Only "official" feedback will be available to players - Stinks of - Get your deals in before the logs are "official feedback", that way you can be seen to be seeking some sort of balance officially while having already got what you want privately. That is what you just said above - Isn't it? Talk about reducing your credibility. This is eve where telling lies, backstabbing and self serving interest groups, are part of daily game play. Maybe I've spent too much time dealing with self serving political groups and individuals (in and out of Eve) to be open minded about a group who could potentially further reduce (remove) my ability to play the way I choose - IE; not in blobs. To get you to stop crying I have posted the logs to pastebin for your viewing pleasure. http://pastebin.com/A0XBxnFA
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 774	Posted - 2015.11.16 06:10:05 - [84] - Quote Lazarus Telraven wrote: To get you to stop crying I have posted the logs to pastebin for your viewing pleasure. http://pastebin.com/A0XBxnFA Quote: http://pastebin.com/A0XBxnFA Equals Quote: The logs show nothing. Well that was about as informative as I thought it would be - Easy and fast to read to.. Empty paste bins usually are. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care Why can't CCP see the obvious - Large dominating groups are bad for Eve.
Alundil Isogen 5 1060	Posted - 2015.11.16 15:32:22 - [85] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Lazarus Telraven wrote: I know I'm not very well known, but to put me in the unknown list hurts my feelings :\ You are not known at all, but your affiliation has clearly placed you within a group, intentions of which are definitely not unknown. MFW "....Laz is unknown" You should stop posting immediately. I'm right behind you
Capqu Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 1186	Posted - 2015.11.16 16:18:56 - [86] - Quote "lordsservant: tracking titans were super cool and imo relatively healthy for the game" jaysus some of these people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 16944	Posted - 2015.11.16 16:25:57 - [87] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: RoCkEt X wrote: You're an idiot... LOL Dear CCP, please note the level of argumentation presented by the one you chose as focus group participant. If anyone asks, I'm for booting. You want him booted for telling the truth? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
ISD Decoy ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1379	Posted - 2015.11.16 18:06:39 - [88] - Quote I have removed a personal attack and those quoting it. Quote: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. ISD Decoy Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2396	Posted - 2015.11.16 18:13:16 - [89] - Quote Capqu wrote: "lordsservant: tracking titans were super cool and imo relatively healthy for the game" jaysus some of these people Malcanis wrote: Olga Romanov wrote: Please CCP for the love of ******* god just ban Lord's Servant from it before it starts For their own protection, never mind ours. Someone had called it I guess...
Olga Romanov Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.11.17 08:29:57 - [90] - Quote I tried to warn you all!

Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 533	Posted - 2015.11.20 16:05:25 - [91] - Quote Make the Rev valid please
Dr Kakamatschi Mercurial Purpose 0	Posted - 2015.11.22 15:47:14 - [92] - Quote Hi, Im a player interested into capital logistics, I skilltrained years for that and now we are getting dedicated ships for this purpose. Thats really interesting, but after reading all about the capital changes and passing it around my head for a while, Im having some heavy concerns about the effects of those changes: 1- Logistics always were a team role. I personally loved the teamwork, to form a synergetic network that can distribute power and repair. Capital logistics will now be limited to triage, which means that it will be a solo role. As a logi pilot, I dont find this very intriguing. 2- Capital Tank doesnt scale anymore with the number of ships. Yes, this is the original intent of the tweak, but the tweaks only effect logistics and titans, not carriers and dreads. So here is the problem: If you have a big capital fleet with like 5 Force Aux, every normal ship would be unkillable because its repped by 5 Aux. The Aux on the other hand are in Triage and limited to their local tank. This local tank cant be scaled with the fleetsize, thus making them the weakest link AND the prime target. This is as intended. But now imagine piloting a Force Aux: You come onto the battlefield. You turn on triage, because without it, you are useless. Now you are the prime target. You are on your own. You cant evade doomsdays. The enemy knows how much dps they need to bring to break a single local cap tank. You WILL break. Theres nothing you can do, noone can help you. The new loneliest place in the fleet: the former support role, the team role. (Only solution: Buffer, triage swapping) 3- Since the Force Aux are the weakpoint and lever of the fleet, it wouldnt make sense to attack any other capitals. This means you wont be using your remote reps. The reps are just a theoretical threat to the enemy fleet. The support role is gone. The only service you give to your fleet is the time that you can stay alive. This time can be extended by forcing the enemy to go through more otherwise useless Force Aux. 4- A tiny issue: All the caps are getting cool new toys. All EXCEPT for the Force Aux. The Aux even got taken away its logistic network. Conclusion: I personally fear that the Force Aux class will be the most frustrating and boring ship to play in capital battles. I hope all these points have been taken into consideration and wont be an issue.
Supreme Authority Domunation High Command AII ShaII Perish 4	Posted - 2015.11.23 21:18:49 - [93] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Incompetent - 3 Unknown - 4 Corrupt - 12 Good - 7 This is literally worse than T3 group. I guess for the next group CCP bias will finally get full power, and corrupt people finally get the majority they need to get rid of everything threatening their bot empires in eve. Oh come ON. There has to be some overlap. I am sure at least one person is incompetent, unknown AND corrupt. m Yes, but I didn't make it on the panel. :P
Rawketsled Generic Corp Name 334	Posted - 2015.11.25 04:10:49 - [94] - Quote Give FAX machines an ewar bonus too. Give them a reason to target ships other than fleet members. Why? Because, under pressure, they'll muck up and rep the primary and/or ewar fleet members.
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 699	Posted - 2015.11.25 04:43:40 - [95] - Quote Rawketsled wrote: Give FAX machines an ewar bonus too. Give them a reason to target ships other than fleet members. Why? Because, under pressure, they'll muck up and rep the primary and/or ewar fleet members. They just won't equip themselves with those modules. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Asuka Solo Instant Annihilation Northern Army 3007	Posted - 2015.11.25 17:11:19 - [96] - Quote With the EHP discussion on supers... Why are you reducing the EHP on the Titans by an average of 20% - 40%? Why would super carriers still have as much EHP as titans after the re-balance? And are you guys planning on reducing any of the slots (mid or low) for any ships (in reference to the -2 low notations on your WiP excel sheet on the EHP figures)? Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Scott Ormands The Scope Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2015.11.25 22:43:30 - [97] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: With the EHP discussion on supers... Why are you reducing the EHP on the Titans by an average of 20% - 40%? Why would super carriers still have as much EHP as titans after the re-balance? And are you guys planning on reducing any of the slots (mid or low) for any ships (in reference to the -2 low notations on your WiP excel sheet on the EHP figures)? 1. reducing the base hp to compensate for the introduction of capital plates or extenders applies to all super capitals, not just titans 2. the -2 designation represents the 2 slots we would expect people to fit the capital plates in, not actually removing the slots
Hiljah Foo Holdings AL3XAND3R. 18	Posted - 2015.11.26 18:20:18 - [98] - Quote Dr Kakamatschi wrote: Hi, ... 3- Since the Force Aux are the weakpoint and lever of the fleet, it wouldnt make sense to attack any other capitals. This means you wont be using your remote reps. The reps are just a theoretical threat to the enemy fleet. The support role is gone. The only service you give to your fleet is the time that you can stay alive. This time can be extended by forcing the enemy to go through more otherwise useless Force Aux. 4- A tiny issue: All the caps are getting cool new toys. All EXCEPT for the Force Aux. The Aux even got taken away its logistic network. Conclusion: I personally fear that the Force Aux class will be the most frustrating and boring ship to play in capital battles. I hope all these points have been taken into consideration and wont be an issue. I think this is a really good point. What if FAXs were the only caps that can use the new cap neuts and nos? If their local tank was 3 or 4 times more effective than there remote reps you could have situations where FAXs try to cap each other out while repping others. I feel like this would make them less defenseless in small gangs.
Asuka Solo Instant Annihilation Northern Army 3007	Posted - 2015.11.27 08:36:58 - [99] - Quote Scott Ormands wrote: Asuka Solo wrote: With the EHP discussion on supers... Why are you reducing the EHP on the Titans by an average of 20% - 40%? Why would super carriers still have as much EHP as titans after the re-balance? And are you guys planning on reducing any of the slots (mid or low) for any ships (in reference to the -2 low notations on your WiP excel sheet on the EHP figures)? 1. reducing the base hp to compensate for the introduction of capital plates or extenders applies to all super capitals, not just titans 2. the -2 designation represents the 2 slots we would expect people to fit the capital plates in, not actually removing the slots Thanks for the above. 1. Assuming I fit cap shield extenders / armor plates, will my EHP be within 5-10% less then what is is now, or more? (Spreadsheet isn't exactly clear as day) 2. Now how about some insight as to why super carriers need as much (or more depending on the hull bonuses) EHP as Titans after this "re-balance"? 3. Why are we forcing a choice between existing capital guns (hi-slots) and HAWs (also presumed to be using the hi-slots)? Why don't we allow the capitals / supers to fit the HAW weapons into the 5 "t3 sub-system" slots in the fitting screens (for caps and supers) and add to the weapons of capitals on a grid? 4. Also, given that slowcats have been killed off completely (in terms of offensive capability of the N+1 wrecking balls), why are we still forcing capital logistics (FAX hulls) to go into triage (given all the falloff and optimal changes incoming to help nerf logistics in line with DPS mechanics) to use capital remote repair modules (preventing any remote assistance / spider tanking to FAX class hulls and making them stationary hulls in a world of up and coming capital and super capital mwd modules), while still allowing (and even buffing) sub capital logistics (See the new t2 logi frigates) to endure high-speed spider tanking, lesser-slow cat like gameplay outside of triage? 5. Given my comments in point 4 above, does CCP believe forcing players to sit in hulls like this (they will get primaried and killed near instantly in larger fights) with no ability to be remote repped by their fleet members will result in FAIR game principles towards cap pilots and FUN GAMEPLAY for FAX pilots? Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Morrigan LeSante Senex Legio The OSS 691	Posted - 2015.12.02 10:52:44 - [100] - Quote This feels like the most relevant place to ask this. With the extended grids and the visions of carriers operating at extreme ranges - will you guys be looking at on grid probing and/or minimum warp to distances?

Rek Seven Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering 2118	Posted - 2015.12.02 11:46:34 - [101] - Quote Have the focus group discussed sp reimbursement? If some of the roles are going to be moved from one capital class to another, I feel that people should be able to trade in there capital related sp. The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Anthar Thebess 1382	Posted - 2015.12.02 15:28:44 - [102] - Quote Give FAX bonus to range of Capital Energy Neutralizers and Smartbombs. Make them desired for something more than logistics. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Scott Ormands The Scope Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2015.12.02 18:34:18 - [103] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: This feels like the most relevant place to ask this. With the extended grids and the visions of carriers operating at extreme ranges - will you guys be looking at on grid probing and/or minimum warp to distances? Outside the scope of our purpose Anthar Thebess wrote: Give FAX bonus to range of Capital Energy Neutralizers and Smartbombs. Make them desired for something more than logistics. Not something i would support, that's not their purpose and that precludes giving those types of bonus's to the dps carriers. Rek Seven wrote: Have the focus group discussed sp reimbursement? we've talked about it among ourselves but it hasnt been a focused topic that we've talked to ccp about yet in detail although they are aware its a concern. We also need to consider SP inflation and the effects that can have on the game. Asuka Solo wrote: 1. Assuming I fit cap shield extenders / armor plates, will my EHP be within 5-10% less then what is is now, or more? (Spreadsheet isn't exactly clear as day) 2. Now how about some insight as to why super carriers need as much (or more depending on the hull bonuses) EHP as Titans after this "re-balance"? 3. Why are we forcing a choice between existing capital guns (hi-slots) and HAWs (also presumed to be using the hi-slots)? Why don't we allow the capitals / supers to fit the HAW weapons into the 5 "t3 sub-system" slots in the fitting screens (for caps and supers) and add to the weapons of capitals on a grid? 4. Also, given that slowcats have been killed off completely (in terms of offensive capability of the N+1 wrecking balls), why are we still forcing capital logistics (FAX hulls) to go into triage (given all the falloff and optimal changes incoming to help nerf logistics in line with DPS mechanics) to use capital remote repair modules (preventing any remote assistance / spider tanking to FAX class hulls and making them stationary hulls in a world of up and coming capital and super capital mwd modules), while still allowing (and even buffing) sub capital logistics (See the new t2 logi frigates) to endure high-speed spider tanking, lesser-slow cat like gameplay outside of triage? 5. Given my comments in point 4 above, does CCP believe forcing players to sit in hulls like this (they will get primaried and killed near instantly in larger fights) with no ability to be remote repped by their fleet members will result in FAIR game principles towards cap pilots and FUN GAMEPLAY for FAX pilots? 1. I believe that is correct, 5-10% less ehp but increaseddamage taken and reduced rep effectiveness due tom lower resists 2. AFAIK most of them shouldnt have the same or more EHP, racial bonus's are also up for change potentially so resist bonus's might change or not idk. 3. Because there needs to be choices made before you jump in that allows for counter play, if one gun type can hit everything all the time theres no reason to use anything else. 4. because it forces you to commit to the field 5. we havent even talked about fax stats yet so I cant really talk to this point other than that CCP wants every ship to be fun to fly in the correct situation and for each one to have viable plays and counter plays. Please Keep in mind that this is all coming from just me and nothing here is final or even what ccp has agreed on, just what we as members of the focus group have talked about. P.S. totally going to remove jump drives from supers, who wants to sell me their aeon cheap. /s
Scott Ormands The Scope Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2015.12.02 18:47:07 - [104] - Quote Also Logs and updated focus group google docs are now available here https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3v6clh/focus_group_logs_are_now_available/
Morrigan LeSante Senex Legio The OSS 693	Posted - 2015.12.02 18:49:02 - [105] - Quote Scott Ormands wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: This feels like the most relevant place to ask this. With the extended grids and the visions of carriers operating at extreme ranges - will you guys be looking at on grid probing and/or minimum warp to distances? Outside the scope of our purpose Do you not feel it is directly related to the performance of tomorrows carriers? Let me phrase it differently - why do you not think on grids of say 1000km wide, being able to pounce onto carriers at 300-500 km away with zero effort is unhealthy? It demands a support fleet in immediate proximity, which kinda makes their much vaunted range all for naught really. Essentially we'll have big grids, but there's absolutely no incentive to do anything other than form a giant battleball because any and all amount of careful positioning can be circumvented in a heartbeat by some idiot with an expanded probe launcher. The range of the ships becomes pointless. I raise it here because nothing but carriers is going to do realistic DPS at these ranges so they are the most affected by the (lack of) difficulty in on grid probing.
Scott Ormands The Scope Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2015.12.02 18:55:18 - [106] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Stuff That definitely has the ability to impact capitals however that is directly related to mechanics that we dont have any right to comment on and expect CCP to liusten to our thoughts since its not capitals themselves. If they ask us to look at im sure we will but I dont expect them too.
Morrigan LeSante Senex Legio The OSS 701	Posted - 2015.12.02 19:00:52 - [107] - Quote @Scott Ormands (page wrapped) You're absolutely right, I honestly think they've just not thought that far ahead. But (imo) it directly impacts, in a negative way, their stated "vision" for carriers to be post rebalance. I'd hate to see them rebalanced only for that to be mechanically crap due to an oversight only caught on sisi, better to check it out now. If nothing comes of it, that's no problem, at least I'll know it hsa been considered.
Skia Aumer Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC Desman Alliance 202	Posted - 2015.12.04 08:49:53 - [108] - Quote Oh god, it was really non-obvious to find out what is going on in that focus group. Links in the OP lead to semi-dead reddit section. Yet, the meat is here (in case someone is interested): https://focusgrouplogs.tech.ccp.is/legacy/capitals.txt
Olga Romanov Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 3	Posted - 2015.12.04 09:27:03 - [109] - Quote It's pretty clear going by the logs that half the group have seen and experienced great use of caps/supers/**** and the other half have only had them used against them or have no experience whatsoever in using them, makes it a pretty pointless endevour for the likes of Rocket, Capu and a couple of others in trying to get the full meta of cap use across which has already become evedent. No surprise that Lords Servents keeps bringing up stupid ideas also which is cringeworthy at best.
Hiljah Foo Holdings AL3XAND3R. 18	Posted - 2015.12.04 19:57:11 - [110] - Quote Scott Ormands wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: This feels like the most relevant place to ask this. With the extended grids and the visions of carriers operating at extreme ranges - will you guys be looking at on grid probing and/or minimum warp to distances? Outside the scope of our purpose Anthar Thebess wrote: Give FAX bonus to range of Capital Energy Neutralizers and Smartbombs. Make them desired for something more than logistics. Not something i would support, that's not their purpose and that precludes giving those types of bonus's to the dps carriers. Rek Seven wrote: Have the focus group discussed sp reimbursement? we've talked about it among ourselves but it hasnt been a focused topic that we've talked to ccp about yet in detail although they are aware its a concern. We also need to consider SP inflation and the effects that can have on the game. Asuka Solo wrote: 1. Assuming I fit cap shield extenders / armor plates, will my EHP be within 5-10% less then what is is now, or more? (Spreadsheet isn't exactly clear as day) 2. Now how about some insight as to why super carriers need as much (or more depending on the hull bonuses) EHP as Titans after this "re-balance"? 3. Why are we forcing a choice between existing capital guns (hi-slots) and HAWs (also presumed to be using the hi-slots)? Why don't we allow the capitals / supers to fit the HAW weapons into the 5 "t3 sub-system" slots in the fitting screens (for caps and supers) and add to the weapons of capitals on a grid? 4. Also, given that slowcats have been killed off completely (in terms of offensive capability of the N+1 wrecking balls), why are we still forcing capital logistics (FAX hulls) to go into triage (given all the falloff and optimal changes incoming to help nerf logistics in line with DPS mechanics) to use capital remote repair modules (preventing any remote assistance / spider tanking to FAX class hulls and making them stationary hulls in a world of up and coming capital and super capital mwd modules), while still allowing (and even buffing) sub capital logistics (See the new t2 logi frigates) to endure high-speed spider tanking, lesser-slow cat like gameplay outside of triage? 5. Given my comments in point 4 above, does CCP believe forcing players to sit in hulls like this (they will get primaried and killed near instantly in larger fights) with no ability to be remote repped by their fleet members will result in FAIR game principles towards cap pilots and FUN GAMEPLAY for FAX pilots? 1. I believe that is correct, 5-10% less ehp but increaseddamage taken and reduced rep effectiveness due tom lower resists 2. AFAIK most of them shouldnt have the same or more EHP, racial bonus's are also up for change potentially so resist bonus's might change or not idk. 3. Because there needs to be choices made before you jump in that allows for counter play, if one gun type can hit everything all the time theres no reason to use anything else. 4. because it forces you to commit to the field 5. we havent even talked about fax stats yet so I cant really talk to this point other than that CCP wants every ship to be fun to fly in the correct situation and for each one to have viable plays and counter plays. Please Keep in mind that this is all coming from just me and nothing here is final or even what ccp has agreed on, just what we as members of the focus group have talked about. P.S. totally going to remove jump drives from supers, who wants to sell me their aeon cheap. /s "That's not their purpose" They're never going to get to be used for their intended purpose because they will be primaried or capped out. 3. Some of us won't ever be jumping in, we'll be warping. I think having to refit gun type is fine, but there should be plenty of room in cargo for this. A capital gun ship that can't defend itself from one battleship is really pathetic. 4. Will carriers need to siege? There are many ships designed to keep ships on the field, why not increase their usefulness? 5. Because none of can name any ships that are obsolete or not fun.

Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 781	Posted - 2015.12.05 00:56:21 - [111] - Quote With the proposed reductions to EHP and reliance on plates (yes I know it is just ideas) Quote: Archon: 4 (0) mids, 7 (0) lows - Amarr Carrier skill bonuses (per level): 10% increase to Armor hit points 10% increase to Armor Repairer repair amount Quote: Thanatos: 5 (0) mids, 6 (0) lows - Gallente Carrier skill bonuses (per level): 15% increase in Fighter squadron maximum velocity (Crazy Idea disclaimer) 15% increase to ship warp speed How about - Amarr Carrier skill bonuses (per level): 10% increase to Armor hit points (buffer fit, reliance on FAX) 5% to Fighter damage Gallente Carrier skill bonuses (per level): 10% to Armor Repair Amount (local reps, maintain mobility) 15% increase in Fighter squadron maximum velocity My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Asuka Solo Instant Annihilation Northern Army 3007	Posted - 2015.12.15 10:07:04 - [112] - Quote Scott Ormands wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: This feels like the most relevant place to ask this. With the extended grids and the visions of carriers operating at extreme ranges - will you guys be looking at on grid probing and/or minimum warp to distances? Outside the scope of our purpose Anthar Thebess wrote: Give FAX bonus to range of Capital Energy Neutralizers and Smartbombs. Make them desired for something more than logistics. Not something i would support, that's not their purpose and that precludes giving those types of bonus's to the dps carriers. Rek Seven wrote: Have the focus group discussed sp reimbursement? we've talked about it among ourselves but it hasnt been a focused topic that we've talked to ccp about yet in detail although they are aware its a concern. We also need to consider SP inflation and the effects that can have on the game. Asuka Solo wrote: 1. Assuming I fit cap shield extenders / armor plates, will my EHP be within 5-10% less then what is is now, or more? (Spreadsheet isn't exactly clear as day) 2. Now how about some insight as to why super carriers need as much (or more depending on the hull bonuses) EHP as Titans after this "re-balance"? 3. Why are we forcing a choice between existing capital guns (hi-slots) and HAWs (also presumed to be using the hi-slots)? Why don't we allow the capitals / supers to fit the HAW weapons into the 5 "t3 sub-system" slots in the fitting screens (for caps and supers) and add to the weapons of capitals on a grid? 4. Also, given that slowcats have been killed off completely (in terms of offensive capability of the N+1 wrecking balls), why are we still forcing capital logistics (FAX hulls) to go into triage (given all the falloff and optimal changes incoming to help nerf logistics in line with DPS mechanics) to use capital remote repair modules (preventing any remote assistance / spider tanking to FAX class hulls and making them stationary hulls in a world of up and coming capital and super capital mwd modules), while still allowing (and even buffing) sub capital logistics (See the new t2 logi frigates) to endure high-speed spider tanking, lesser-slow cat like gameplay outside of triage? 5. Given my comments in point 4 above, does CCP believe forcing players to sit in hulls like this (they will get primaried and killed near instantly in larger fights) with no ability to be remote repped by their fleet members will result in FAIR game principles towards cap pilots and FUN GAMEPLAY for FAX pilots? 1. I believe that is correct, 5-10% less ehp but increaseddamage taken and reduced rep effectiveness due tom lower resists 2. AFAIK most of them shouldnt have the same or more EHP, racial bonus's are also up for change potentially so resist bonus's might change or not idk. 3. Because there needs to be choices made before you jump in that allows for counter play, if one gun type can hit everything all the time theres no reason to use anything else. 4. because it forces you to commit to the field 5. we havent even talked about fax stats yet so I cant really talk to this point other than that CCP wants every ship to be fun to fly in the correct situation and for each one to have viable plays and counter plays. Please Keep in mind that this is all coming from just me and nothing here is final or even what ccp has agreed on, just what we as members of the focus group have talked about. P.S. totally going to remove jump drives from supers, who wants to sell me their aeon cheap. /s 3. We dont have just 1 gun type, we have 3. (small guns, medium guns and large guns - not to mention missiles - can all hit capital or super capital hulls). But capital guns can't effectively hit sub cap hulls (without the effort of sub capital tackle, webbing and target painting). Where's the counter play in that? Drones? - There goes the carriers ability to use normal drones (coming soon). Fighters? - End of skynet (recently) . Guns? - End of tracking titans (back in the day). So going back to the fun statement, supported by counter play arguments. Why should sub capitals be allowed to shoot every hull in this game and not need anything bigger to overcome its sorely needed shortcomings? Why not allow capitals and supers to shoot back at and effectively apply dps to as many hulls or not quite as many as sub caps can with new slots that give those hulls value above being escort targets, structure bashers and giant km pinatas? 4. Care to explain how allowing remote reps in triage while disallowing warping or jumping is not achieving the same thing? Also care to explain how forcing players to commit a multi billion isk ship - where isk is not a balancing factor for fun no matter how hard the spin - to the field "by means of on grid based ritual seppuku" no less, is going to be "fun" and allow for counter play (for FAX pilots) in the sub capital + dreadnaught N+1 meta? Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Anthar Thebess 1395	Posted - 2015.12.16 15:45:54 - [113] - Quote Give assault frigates triple ( or more ) damage bonus against capitals and super capitals. ( Lore: Hitting week points / subsystems) This will bring this ships back to life , and provide interesting ingame tactics. Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists Show your support to The Cause!
Anthar Thebess 1395	Posted - 2015.12.16 15:53:03 - [114] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: With the proposed reductions to EHP and reliance on plates (yes I know it is just ideas) Quote: Archon: 4 (0) mids, 7 (0) lows - Amarr Carrier skill bonuses (per level): 10% increase to Armor hit points 10% increase to Armor Repairer repair amount Quote: Thanatos: 5 (0) mids, 6 (0) lows - Gallente Carrier skill bonuses (per level): 15% increase in Fighter squadron maximum velocity (Crazy Idea disclaimer) 15% increase to ship warp speed How about - Amarr Carrier skill bonuses (per level): 10% increase to Armor hit points (buffer fit, reliance on FAX) 5% to Fighter damage Gallente Carrier skill bonuses (per level): 10% to Armor Repair Amount (local reps, maintain mobility) 15% increase in Fighter squadron maximum velocity Just no. People skilled certain ships for certain bonuses. Some things should not change. Chimera , archon - bonus to the hit point numbers ( change from resists bonus ) Thanathos - bonus to fighter squadron damage ( many people skilled this hull only because of this bonus) Niddy - don't know. Faster warp ? Much faster alignment ? Maybe much lower EHP, but 7LY jump range. Capitals need to be changed, but people and CCP should not change the basic reason why some hull was important before. The only reason why the concept of hovering nyx was made, is because this ship famous for its DPS ( even when Hel looks tons better). There is no point of adding local rep bonus , for me local capital repers need to be adjusted - instead of all hulls that can use them. Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists Show your support to The Cause!
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 789	Posted - 2015.12.20 22:13:00 - [115] - Quote What happened to the capital focus group? My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Asuka Solo Instant Annihilation Northern Army 3007	Posted - 2015.12.21 10:44:08 - [116] - Quote Sgt Ocker wrote: What happened to the capital focus group? Seems they had a high level reddit chat a few months ago, then got turned into a dedicated Q&A forum group.... Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
elitatwo Eve Minions The-Company 971	Posted - 2015.12.21 12:07:51 - [117] - Quote Asuka Solo wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: What happened to the capital focus group? Seems they had a high level reddit chat a few months ago, then got turned into a dedicated Q&A forum group.... So nothing then. Happy Holidays Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 2099	Posted - 2015.12.28 11:55:37 - [118] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Give assault frigates triple ( or more ) damage bonus against capitals and super capitals. ( Lore: Hitting week points / subsystems) This will bring this ships back to life , and provide interesting ingame tactics. Give all supers a trench with an exhaust port at the end where a single missile hit can blow it up!!! On a serious note, if something was made to be the bane of capitals, would need to be something that Battleships prey upon. That would bring up a more healthy ecosystem that could feed itself positively with more opportunities. "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2441	Posted - 2015.12.28 17:20:04 - [119] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Anthar Thebess wrote: Give assault frigates triple ( or more ) damage bonus against capitals and super capitals. ( Lore: Hitting week points / subsystems) This will bring this ships back to life , and provide interesting ingame tactics. Give all supers a trench with an exhaust port at the end where a single missile hit can blow it up!!! On a serious note, if something was made to be the bane of capitals, would need to be something that Battleships prey upon. That would bring up a more healthy ecosystem that could feed itself positively with more opportunities. So BC unless we want to loop back to BS ...
Kagura Nikon Bon Jovian Drifters Did he say Jump 2104	Posted - 2015.12.29 08:52:56 - [120] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Kagura Nikon wrote: Anthar Thebess wrote: Give assault frigates triple ( or more ) damage bonus against capitals and super capitals. ( Lore: Hitting week points / subsystems) This will bring this ships back to life , and provide interesting ingame tactics. Give all supers a trench with an exhaust port at the end where a single missile hit can blow it up!!! On a serious note, if something was made to be the bane of capitals, would need to be something that Battleships prey upon. That would bring up a more healthy ecosystem that could feed itself positively with more opportunities. So BC unless we want to loop back to BS ... Before the old tier 2 BC hulls were moved to some of the command ships I was always found of the idea of making a new T2 BC class with those hulls. Strategic bomber... like the stealth bomber.. but with the old move faster while cloaked but not warp cloaked... and with a new special launcher that could fire citatel torpedoes :P "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"

Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1094	Posted - 2015.12.30 14:33:32 - [121] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: and with a new special launcher that could fire citatel torpedoes :P Or high damage 1m AoE bombs Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Kagura Nikon Bon Jovian Drifters Did he say Jump 2136	Posted - 2015.12.30 14:56:19 - [122] - Quote Barrogh Habalu wrote: Kagura Nikon wrote: and with a new special launcher that could fire citatel torpedoes :P Or high damage 1m AoE bombs the focused void bombs are already pretty good as bombs against capitals. Maybe a ship with a great bonus for those bombs... ... "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"
yonika ANCIENT ELITE 0	Posted - 2016.01.10 19:14:25 - [123] - Quote I suggest bringing in a drug that increases jump range and reduces jump fatigue for 1 day or a few hours or something but can only be used once every 6 months. The penalties need to be severe like with strong booster 0% resistance. Was asked to post this here. Reason why sometimes you may need to move alot but spending 3 days jumping a ship is ridiculous however being able to do it once or twice a year seems sensible.
Morrigan LeSante Senex Legio The OSS 1125	Posted - 2016.01.28 08:48:57 - [124] - Quote Any chance one of you guys can nudge CCP to do a consolidated log as well as the daily posts? Makes it much easier to search for references when you can't remember what day they were made. Thanks
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 806	Posted - 2016.01.28 11:13:39 - [125] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Any chance one of you guys can nudge CCP to do a consolidated log as well as the daily posts? Makes it much easier to search for references when you can't remember what day they were made. Thanks You mean there is more than the 2 or 3, 2 month old posts on Reddit? My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Morrigan LeSante Senex Legio The OSS 1125	Posted - 2016.01.28 11:57:15 - [126] - Quote I mean the slack logs. There are 51 separate log files, trawling is a pain in the rear.
Scott Ormands The Northerners Northern Coalition. 66	Posted - 2016.01.28 18:10:59 - [127] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: Any chance one of you guys can nudge CCP to do a consolidated log as well as the daily posts? Makes it much easier to search for references when you can't remember what day they were made. Thanks There was just a change made to the way logging was done but I dont remember the details.
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 806	Posted - 2016.01.28 22:59:43 - [128] - Quote Scott Ormands wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: Any chance one of you guys can nudge CCP to do a consolidated log as well as the daily posts? Makes it much easier to search for references when you can't remember what day they were made. Thanks There was just a change made to the way logging was done but I dont remember the details. You still talking about the few 3 month old logs or is there actually more, that haven't been made openly public? It just seems the focus group got together, threw around a few vague ideas, tickled a few egos and disappeared. My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Morrigan LeSante Senex Legio The OSS 1126	Posted - 2016.01.29 10:06:05 - [129] - Quote @Sgt Ocker They're all public, you must've missed it. Link: https://focusgrouplogs.tech.ccp.is/ @Scott, yes the site was tided a bit CCP, posting blue dev responses which was nice. I was just asking if a giant master file can be appended to each day at log rollover so there is one master file to crtl+F through
Sgt Ocker Kenshin. DARKNESS. 806	Posted - 2016.01.29 12:58:45 - [130] - Quote Morrigan LeSante wrote: @Sgt Ocker They're all public, you must've missed it. Link: https://focusgrouplogs.tech.ccp.is/ @Scott, yes the site was tided a bit CCP, posting blue dev responses which was nice. I was just asking if a giant master file can be appended to each day at log rollover so there is one master file to crtl+F through I didn't realize it was still a thing, thanks - I'd given up looking (about 2 weeks ago). My opinions are mine. If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

DiplomatNano Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2016.02.12 23:04:56 - [131] - Quote Make refiting in combat made easy.... you must run a module which allows others to refit, you can't be repaired by other why running it and you can't move. Also you can't refit yourself by running the module... Do you still want to commit to pvp ?
RogueHunteer Bespin Miners Guild Phoenix Company Alliance 20	Posted - 2016.02.25 22:39:29 - [132] - Quote Ability 3: Tackle (name TBD, suggestions welcome) * Range: 20km * Duration: 10s * Speed Bonus: -80% * Scrams target stopping them from using MWD/MJD * Only usable on Fighters & Drones I'm sorry about this is just crap... This should be use-able on BC or Higher. Please change this.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 5826	Posted - 2016.03.04 23:11:44 - [133] - Quote Patch Notes for March 2016 Release wrote: Citadel Cruise Missiles and Citadel Torpedoes have been renamed XL Cruise Missiles and XL Torpedoes respectively. Ermm ... why not just Capital Torpdoes and Capital Cruise Missiles. You know, like Capital Hybrid / Laser / Projectile Turret. /facepalm
Scott Ormands The Northerners Northern Coalition. 66	Posted - 2016.03.05 03:50:18 - [134] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Patch Notes for March 2016 Release wrote: Citadel Cruise Missiles and Citadel Torpedoes have been renamed XL Cruise Missiles and XL Torpedoes respectively. Ermm ... why not just Capital Torpdoes and Capital Cruise Missiles. You know, like Capital Hybrid / Laser / Projectile Turret. /facepalm Those are the modules/missiles not the skills themselves.
The Economist Logically Consistent 23	Posted - 2016.03.05 10:47:49 - [135] - Quote Has any thought been given to consolidating the capital missile skills? Originally three of the dreads all effectively had weapons requiring dual training to be used properly: Moros: hybrids + drones Nag: projectiles and missiles Phoenix: cruise and torps Since then however moros have lost their drones, nags have lost their launchers and phoenix and rev have remained the basically the same. Currently to use both close and long range weapons 3 dreads only have to train one rank 7 skill whereas the phoenix requires two, one for torps and one for cruise. Not a big issue [although it may become more of one when T2 capital weapons come out and phoenix pilots find they have to train two weapon skills to 5 whereas every other race's pilots only have to train one to achieve the same utility!], but has occurred to me a few times over the years; just wondering if this is an imbalance that matters, one that has a reason or is just a case 'meh, it's not broken, why change it and besides people would ***** no matter what we did with the sp's'
Syrias Bizniz Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation 419	Posted - 2016.03.30 10:13:14 - [136] - Quote Hi CCP Larrikin, just tucking in to give some feedback on the whole thing. First, things i do like: It is good that you have created a focus group with people who are expierienced on capitals and discuss the changes with them. This makes it a lot easier to keep up with all the posting going on, and ****- or trollposts are probably gone, so the good idead are probably sticking out a lot better than before. Now, things i don't like: Even though the focus group is in place, it feels like it's all happening behind a big curtain and from time to time another piece of the puzzle is presented to the EVE players. Then there's only a reddit-thread about it where only capital focus people can write, and from the 25 people in it, only about 2 or 3 actually do post feedback in the related threads. Another thing that has come to my attention is some very serious proposed changes that will make some ships great and exclude others right from the beginning from actually being useful, this is especially the case on Carriers and Super Carriers. As it stands now, the Archon and Chimera are both getting a 4%/level resistance bonus, while the Thanatos and Nidhoggur are both getting a 2.5%/level fighter squadron damage bonus. Why is that bad? I'll tell you. The Thanatos or Nidhoggur have to, in order to achieve an Archons resistance level, fit one additional EANM or similar. This means, one of the lowslots is already gone. Historically, Archons have had one additional lowslot ofer Thanatos / Nidhoggur however. I know, the actual attribute and slot-layout changes are not on SISI yet respectively not up for discussion yet. Still, with current design in place, for same tank-levels on armor the Archon would probably have 2 more lowslots over Nid/Than - to either go for even MORE tank or to fit 2 DDAs for example. In which case the carriers designed as damage-carriers are the ones ending up with lower damage or lower tank. And now comes design flaw #2 on that matter: For the Archon or Chimera to achieve the same damage levels as the Nidhoggur/Thanatos, they'd have to fit ~"half" a DDA. This means, in case of the Archon which currently has the additional lowslots, it could fit one DDA more than Nid/Than and come out with same tank but better DPS. And this whole "fear" boils down to the following: -Revealing details on ONE specific ship-type in the style it is happening right now - piece after piece - is bad for actually discussing those details and finding a context on whether these changes are good or not. For example, these skillbonuses could be very healthy, IF the Thanatos ends with a lowslot MORE than the Archon - which seems unlikely though. Same goes for the Nidhoggur, if it has equal midslots with the Chimera, it might become a good ship! Is that likely to see, however? I doubt so. But, why is this really problematic? Because you're giving a resistance bonus to Archon / Chim. Not a EHP bonus you could implement right now in the form of bonus to capital armor plates or shield extenders, no, you're giving them resistances, which is an EHP bonus and a bonus for incoming remote repairs and a bonus for local tanking. More so, a bonus that is not stacking penalized. And we're talking about capitals, where the more EHP you have the better your results will be as you'll be able to hold for longer on grid, which directly translates into damage dealt overall / utility for the fleet. TL;DR: Chim/Archon bonus: 1x EANM / Invul ---> 1 Slot makes Nid/Than equal. Nid/Thanny bonus: ~0.5 DDA ---> 1 slot makes Archon/Chim better. Take Archon/Chim Resistance Bonus. Same goes btw for Aeon and Wyvern. Replace with bonuses to capital shield extenders / capital armor plates on Archon / Chim, ... and i don't know what yet for the Aeon / Wyvern, as they obviously are role bonused for it already. And now THAT would be a nice topic for discussion on your focus group, wouldn't it? Also, things i noticed: Light Fighters take 1k m-¦ of hangar space. 9 of them form a squad. 9k m-¦ = 1 squad. Support Fighters take 3k m-¦ of hangar space. 3 of them form a squad. 9k m-¦ = 1 squad. THIS ONE IS OFF: Interceptor Fighters take 1k m-¦ of hangar space. 12 of them form a squad. 12k m-¦ = 1 squad proposed change: Support Fighters take 750m-¦, then it's equal again. Why bother? Because right now you can fill your launch tubes with Inteceptor Fighters to extend your hangar space by one full squadron of lights / supports as opposed to carrying all your interceptors in hangar and filling launch tubes with fighter/support squadrons. Additional Feedback: You introduced capital warp disruptors, which are only good if you have several of them, as you'll either be tackling subcapitals or have to plow through 25-50 warpstrength. So either a subcapital point would suffice, or you'd need to throw several capitals at one other capital, but could use one Hictor instead and save about a midslot on each of your capitals. Also, they don't offer better point range or anything. They are harder to fit, they eat about 15 times more cap/s. So, here's a proposed change: #1: Make their range extreme. Talking about 100km here for Disruptors. #2: Make their warpscramble strength extreme: talking about ~15 here for Disruptors. #3: Give them signature resolution like you plan on capital neut/nos. #4: If the signature of the target is smaller than the signature resolution, then the warpscramblestrength gets lower. ALL VALUES GET ROUNDED DOWN. Effects: Capitals can tackle other capitals on long range, and with 2 - 4 points total. Capitals can tackle MWDing battleships and maybe mwd battlecruisers on long ranges. Capitals can't tackle anything that's smaller than, say, 1000 meters of signature, because the scramblestrength would be below 1.
Jessie McPewpew U2EZ 8	Posted - 2016.05.13 22:24:57 - [137] - Quote Syrias Bizniz wrote: Hi CCP Larrikin, Effects: Capitals can tackle other capitals on long range, and with 2 - 4 points total. Capitals can tackle MWDing battleships and maybe mwd battlecruisers on long ranges. Capitals can't tackle anything that's smaller than, say, 1000 meters of signature, because the scramblestrength would be below 1. Why do sub caps have to be protected from caps so damn much? Nerfing applicable dps made a ton of sense but it shouldn't have gone any farther than that. Now capital neuts are essentially useless against anything other than other cap ships and capital points are pretty much over glorified regular points. Might as well bring a hictor, the caps won't hit it for anything.
Funky Junk9 modro I N F A M O U S 0	Posted - 2016.05.15 06:56:12 - [138] - Quote Just a quick interjection but after looking around and playing in sisi and with pyfa i have come to realize that shields are better in every way Buffer, active tanking, remote repping all around armor is being heavily shadowed by shield capitals at the moment
Lugburz Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 14	Posted - 2016.05.30 10:18:03 - [139] - Quote Instalocking carriers? wtaf?
Blade Darth Room for Improvement Limited Expectations 10	Posted - 2016.06.19 15:51:25 - [140] - Quote Ok carriers can finally defend themselves vs. a random ceptor, but sitting 1000km from gate, on a citadel, and being able to command drones 0 at the gate, blapping people is a joke. Shuttle bombing 2.0

ApolloF117 HUN Angels and Demons Inc. Mordus Angels 47	Posted - 2016.06.29 12:02:04 - [141] - Quote Blade Darth wrote: Ok carriers can finally defend themselves vs. a random ceptor, but sitting 1000km from gate, on a citadel, and being able to command drones 0 at the gate, blapping people is a joke. Shuttle bombing 2.0 No they can't , they now unless just like the old one
Sitting Bull Lakota Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 100	Posted - 2016.07.02 06:01:48 - [142] - Quote Judging by the overpowered nature of Citadel carriers and the hasty subsequent patch, I'd wager CCP didn't give too much weight to the focus group's recommendations.
eVRiAL Black Mesa Inc 8	Posted - 2016.07.09 12:24:39 - [143] - Quote http://evemaps.dotlan.net/jump/Thanatos,544/Maila:Ignoitton Thx CCP! ur patches are best
MardiOBoy Heretic Army Escalating Entropy 0	Posted - 2016.08.05 00:57:17 - [144] - Quote Try this one on for size.. Since the carrier change, using a carrier limits you to using either 3 dps squadrons or 2 dps and one support squadron, which is limited to only one type of fighters each.. What about letting people mix their fighter sqoudrons?? For Dps they would still act as a squadron, hitting only one target at a time. (not really sure about this one) Or maybe just that 1 support squordron.. but for these - since there's only 3 in a squadron - you should be able to have them go for individual targets, if you choose. (but you guys will have to find a way to make that work with the new Fighter UI) If you could choose to have, maybe two webs fighters and 1 disruptor fighter - seeing you mostly only need one disrupter fighter to hold one target from warping - the two web fighters would be nice for holding a target from going too fast. Or having 2 disrupter fighters to hold more targets from warping, but again sacrificing "the tank on your dirusptor ability" for each target.. Your target would have an easier time killing just that one scramming fighter to be able to warp off, but that is the choice you have to make... Having to evaluate your set of support fighters would be more rounded for using your carrier for actual fighting, and not just dropping on people. Having 3 of the same kind doesnt really seem logical - atleast not for the Siren(disruptor fighters), other than having it be really hard for them to kill the fighters who is pointing them (like if you tackle somthing really tanky).. It could be the multi the functional ship it was supposed to be.. and Supers could have as many as 6 individual fighters from their 2 support squadrons, also making them bad ass for dropping on subs... if you dare But again, this comes with having to change the support fighter squadrons into 3 individual fighters, or letting people choose whice one to shoot first when only one of them are pointing you. Allso... Along side Alliance tournemant... " MOM BATTLES!! " \o/ Super carriers... 1v1..... in a closed arena..... No officer stuff, but all the faction, deadspace, T2 and implants you want to risk... With dank prizes..


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