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Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:37:00 - [1] *Puts on tinfoil hat* Ok lets be fair with the now introduction of D2 to the ISS+Friends Vs Anyone thats bored I think it's fair to say their going to get nailed... Or maybe not, Depends what D2 want from them. And IAC for that matter, AAA etc etc. Now for the tin foil hattyness #Theoreticly imagine you where one in high command of ISS, Your dream is falling apart around you. Theres little hope of any salvation yardy yar and your merc corps are no longer enough....... What would you do with all the assets and corp funds at your disposal I'd make a guesse what the average person kicked into a corner would do. And it wouldn't bode well with the alliance members and those with shares Or maybe i'm just an ebil man, But if ISS get butchered, I think it's more than just the outposts & stations the alliance members will lose Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:38:00 - [2] I'm sorry It's friday and i'm really bored, if anyone would prefer to talk about cheese instead thats cool ? I like Blue Stilton, looks like **, smells like .. tastes bloody gorgeous ! Alliaanna** DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:40:00 - [3] ChFvre 4tw. Goats > Cows. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:42:00 - [4] Edited by: Exelsior on 05/01/2007 10:43:02 I'd hire BoB :P Since (i think) they have eventual plans for D2 and are NAPed with LV anyway they fit in quite well on ISS's side.
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:44:00 - [5] I'm not convinced BoB would take a contract against D2 / IAC / AAA / Goonswarm and others.. They would lose. It wouldn't bode well for their e-peen. Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:47:00 - [6] Only BOB can save ISS now and somehow I don't think they want to go toe to toe with D2 who have been building thier fleets quietly up north for several months now and are fresh for war. Bobs has just come off from a heavy campaign with ASCN and I do not believe they are in any shape to take on a epeen of D2's size just now. As for the shareholders, I expect they will put pressure on ISS to stop this pointless bravado style of space cowboism and get back to making money. I would assume to appease IAC, D2 and friends ISS would be require to give away assets - thats if they are not taken by force. Whatever happens I think the shareholders are set to give ISS a harder time than any of thier enemies. ISS launced a new IPO recently that 500billion one, they've said no shareholder money has been used in the hiring of mercs, if that is so then even if ISS falls the money can be returned to shareholders. This will need to be clarified as the money affects a large number of the playerbase. In any event, ISS needs to eat humble pie and make peace while it still has a chance.
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:49:00 - [7] Edited by: Exelsior on 05/01/2007 10:50:06 Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii I'm not convinced BoB would take a contract against D2 / IAC / AAA / Goonswarm and others.. They would lose. It wouldn't bode well for their e-peen. Alliaanna It wouldn't be BoB on their own. It would be: BoB, LV, ISS, MC, other mercenaries vs D2, AAA, IAC, Goons, RA. I'd actually say that's a pretty good and fair lineup. Edit: Forgot to mention Xelas and Fix would probably join in with BoB.
searchi tiberian suns	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:01:00 - [8] good move id say but probably the d2 gyus just read our mutterings and laugh. atacking bob in their own space would be a tough nut to *****. making them come north maybe is a whole different story. if nothing bigger comes out of this then ec is a nice asset to have as one of the 2 importent entry points to the northern regions. especially when someday sentry guns are introduced. that will probably change a lot in the torrinos/ec situation. the ec outpost was probabl more trouble then profit for iss anway. but the northern alliances wouldnt want somebody else controlling sentries at the torrinos gate. probably this is a stone trown in a pond to get the whole war thing going. good timing too. arjun
It WasntMe Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:01:00 - [9] dont think bob lost much vs ascn now did they ? hell they even get tons of isk from ex ascn that want to live there and fix pays bob aswel at querious so dont think bob has any problems taking on d2
Orlando Gardner The Older Gamers	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:02:00 - [10] "what happens if ISS fall" well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed. by bob or iac or whoever the fk.

Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:02:00 - [11] From the shareholders' perspective you have to look at the individual businesses of ISS, not get stuck in the In-Game-Alliance mindset. ISS public stations are held by four operating corporations ISSCA (ISS Cassini in EC-P8R), ISSBO (ISS Borealis in Pure Blind), ISSPO (the two providence stations), ISSMO (the two Catch stations). They have no assets as such bar the stations and the POS and fuel stocks. Their revenue each month from docking fees, market fees, repairs, moon rentals, and office rentals cover the running costs with the remainder paid out as dividends to the shareholders. Once the stations are lost there are no dividends, no running costs. Done - nothing further happens - your shares sit in your wallet and the monthly mail from Serenity Steele's alt with you dividend doesn turn up any more. The private stations in Tenerifis continue as they are till they fall, with rent being paid to the landlord each week/month, till it stops. This has no bearing on anyone but the ISS corps and their landlord. The new IPO? Look at the details ... they lose the synergy of trading in their own stations, but the baskets of goods stay on sale. The loans with guarantees continue to be paid. The Heavy industry does a lot more of its work in empire. Not sure what else is affected. Plans for new stations will have to go on hold .. unless they can make arrangements in some newly conquered territory. ISS could easily just it back and say .. you want the stations take them .. we can't oppose D2 or any other major power and never pretended we could. Looks like ISS have to play the long game and see what happens next .. if its leading players don't just rip it up and say, oh well, good try. Myn
jernej Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:06:00 - [12] afaik BoB doesn't like ISS but business is business. And if D2 comes down south with something that can't logg off or dock... How in the world could we possibly resist ?
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:08:00 - [13] Edited by: Emrod on 05/01/2007 11:09:22 Edited by: Emrod on 05/01/2007 11:08:50 "what happens if ISS fall" Nothing.....new.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Orlando Gardner well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed. by bob or iac or whoever the fk. QFT These industrial type alliances were a pipedream anyways.... and now its over. And about time too.
ollobrains Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:20:00 - [15] BOB and MC have a good working relationship - MC and ISS have a good business relationship - the triangle of BOB renting space in the south - MC being hired by whomever pays the bills but with a "special" relationship with bob i havent seen anyone hire MC yet to attack bob the price would have to be massive and for this reason i cant see BOB siding in an attack on ISS. Its in bobs interest to keep the pet and rent corps in the south in their pocket maintain MC as an option and keep ISS at arms length but with a business friendly relationship ( it also prevents any other industrial alliacne rising up) d2 would have to be careful very careful by attacking ISS ( they would need LV, RAGOON and a few others onsdie) but as we have seen before at one point we were looking at North versus south but what happened EU popped up to attack the big blue. SA first decided to go rogue and attack FIX then everything fell into line ASCN recovered BOB felt a threat so wiped them out. Its balanced and there are a lot of other influences at work of course. But an interesting 3 months to go - now with ASCN down to 1000 members and within a month expecting it to be a nub of what it was. Whats next bob need targets to keep their guys happy grand campaigns to prevent a breakup So they have pretty well 3 options ( d2, RAGOON or LV) all 3 apparently have titans. d2 would present a threat but bob may go at RAGOON and perhaps terrorise the old stain and ASCN territories, and give the other mobs time to see what they do before stirring the buckets up All posts made by myself represent my personal opinion only - they do not represent the rest of the privateer alliacne unless they decide to agree with what im saying
Cardassius Caldari Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:34:00 - [16] Edited by: Cardassius on 05/01/2007 11:34:08 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Orlando Gardner well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed. by bob or iac or whoever the fk. QFT These industrial type alliances were a pipedream anyways.... and now its over. And about time too. Hi nezzy ;) ISS isn't dead cause they have iskies :P and shares :) They hired a bunch of people to kick IAC in the nuts.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:26:00 - [17] Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/01/2007 12:26:24 Originally by: Cardassius Hi nezzy ;) ISS isn't dead cause they have iskies :P and shares :) They hired a bunch of people to kick IAC in the nuts. Made a picture just for you... .. hope you are keeping well bud.
Exelsior Colossus Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/01/2007 12:26:24 Originally by: Cardassius Hi nezzy ;) ISS isn't dead cause they have iskies :P and shares :) They hired a bunch of people to kick IAC in the nuts. Made a picture just for you... .. hope you are keeping well bud. That's cute, but you forgot to change the dates on the bottom and it still says 1927-1933.
Sergio Ling Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:36:00 - [19] the thing to consider is ISS are really spread out, and dont technically claim any space. so to really hurt them, you have to travel around EVE knocking down a lot of towers, which is boring. Now, if all D2 want to do is camp some outposts and kill covetors (which I'm pretty sure was the original IAC intention) then fair play. But ERADICATING ISS is a long and boring process _
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Exelsior That's cute, but you forgot to change the dates on the bottom and it still says 1927-1933. It does?? Rats ..... I knew I forgot something.

Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Orlando Gardner well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed. by bob or iac or whoever the fk. QFT These industrial type alliances were a pipedream anyways.... and now its over. And about time too. I dunno, I'd like to see ISS succeed further. But only after some changes. ---- All you do is bark. You never meow.
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Raem Civrie Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Orlando Gardner well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed. by bob or iac or whoever the fk. QFT These industrial type alliances were a pipedream anyways.... and now its over. And about time too. I dunno, I'd like to see ISS succeed further. But only after some changes. Such as no longer owning any stations? Which, on the face of it, will be the outcome of the current gang bang. .... Real men use blasters
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:30:00 - [23] Who cares about ISS ?
Potty Caldari Thundercats	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:39:00 - [24] Hello, I know am in RaZoR and thus allied to Dusk and Dawn but just forget that a minuet... am going to say things how I think, not my corporation or alliance. Right then: I Believe that ISS are BoB alts/buddies/puppets ect ect. Now if BoB wanted to attack D2 or ever wanted they would require secure points they can base their operations from. Heading from empire to d2 space would be a ball ache so it makes since to control a "neut" alliance that has stations located close to d2 space where you can freely move supplies and ships to. (DonÆt forget d2 have already had a go at iss for apparently reporting d2 movement to BoB. Not sure if its true or not but was the reason given for the toe to toe a few months ago.) So I think that D2 want to test this. If you were BoB and you had some how taken over ISS for a staging point wouldnÆt you go to their aid? Or move forward your plans to attack?. So I think its D2 testing bob after a few months of building their forces when BoB is not expecting it or had been but just not when they wanted to go. Failing that, and it has nothing to do with D2 wanting to push BoB. ItÆs a bad idea have a neut alliance with station so close to your space anyway. So itÆs a good defensive move. I hope my BoB idea is right because it could pull in thousands of players, 10Æs of alliances and be one of the most epic warÆs eve has yet seen. Who will win no idea, but it will sure be fun. Of course this is all IMO and I have been wrong before so we see if am wrong again. Ta Potty
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Kryztal Who cares about ISS ? BoB have their own threads, go away. Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Nina Kabrinski	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:45:00 - [26] <3 mods for removing the original wardec-thread...seems like the forum doesnt stand too much dbp-postings at once...
Algey ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Angela Toren Only BOB can save ISS now and somehow I don't think they want to go toe to toe with D2 who have been building thier fleets quietly up north for several months now and are fresh for war. Bobs has just come off from a heavy campaign with ASCN and I do not believe they are in any shape to take on a epeen of D2's size just now. As for the shareholders, I expect they will put pressure on ISS to stop this pointless bravado style of space cowboism and get back to making money. I would assume to appease IAC, D2 and friends ISS would be require to give away assets - thats if they are not taken by force. Whatever happens I think the shareholders are set to give ISS a harder time than any of thier enemies. ISS launced a new IPO recently that 500billion one, they've said no shareholder money has been used in the hiring of mercs, if that is so then even if ISS falls the money can be returned to shareholders. This will need to be clarified as the money affects a large number of the playerbase. In any event, ISS needs to eat humble pie and make peace while it still has a chance. What a rediculous statement. We have no form of bravado style space cowboyism. ISS doesn't own any assets, and the IPO is totally independant of the stations. We have gone out of our way to protect our stations yes, however we have never initiated hostilities of tried to join in the alliance politics in 0.0. Look, if a couple of stations get captured then the holding company gets liquidated. If all of the stations get captured, each of the station holding companies are liquidated, however there is no affect to the ISS IPO, since that isn't used to build or maintain stations. ISS would continue to function, continue to run the IPO, trading and building to pay the dividends. The only people who would be hurt are the shareholders. These are the people who invested in the station holding companies, and who are defended by ISS to the best of our ability.
Butter Dog Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Kryztal Who cares about ISS ? My understanding was that BoB gave them an outpost and are their biggest shareholders Anyway... about this thread. Heh, heard it all before. This is the second time D2 have made ISS -10. The stations are low value, they only have ANY value as neutral trade outposts by entites who allow pretty much anyone to dock in order to maximise revenue. None of the alliances mentioned operate that kind of policy, to an extent that the stations would be profitable. So you are left with a group of Alliances bickering with ISS. Fair enough. But even if they DID take the outposts, all they would be left with is a bunch of unprofitable outposts in regions they don't wish to claim. What alliance in their right mind wants to fuel 'x' number of large deathstars, in an unclaimed low-value region, for a station which is of no value to them? Well, you tell me. ----------
Karunel Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:57:00 - [29] Personally, I've always thought ISS is one of the coolest things in the game, and I always talk about them when I want to drag someone into the game. That said, it's quite obvious that they lost the north when they suddenly decided they wanted their e-peen to grow, as the most likely result as we can see is it'll end up cut. Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Potty Caldari Thundercats	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:59:00 - [30] That's the whole point. we all know D2 arnt very active in fighting people so why would they over as you have pointed out useless station UNLESS there is a good reason behind it. (/me bumps my post above)



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