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01101989
Regnum Satanae
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Posted - 2015.11.12 18:24:32 -
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I mean, I don't want to write out a long, detailed idea if it won't even be looked at. I think I have a really good idea, but I don't want to share if it's just going to be ignored. Anyone care to weigh in? CCP, what's the delio?
Best,
ZER0NE |
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
332
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Posted - 2015.11.12 18:36:51 -
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I'd bet they do to some extent, and if not the devs, the mods certainly do. Then there's the csm, I've noticed a few being more active in the forums than previous years.
Just put the idea out there, at least it will be bumpable/searchable.
You are content to be content. This is not a jedi mind trick, you're just the game
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
1577
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Posted - 2015.11.12 18:38:58 -
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They do look at it. A lot of discussion has moved to reddit because they can have a different style of discussion over there. Discussion here is looked at.
Now would be a great time for a random dev to chime in w/ a "Heck yeah" we read this. |
01101989
Regnum Satanae
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Posted - 2015.11.12 18:43:32 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:They do look at it. A lot of discussion has moved to reddit because they can have a different style of discussion over there. Discussion here is looked at.
Now would be a great time for a random dev to chime in w/ a "Heck yeah" we read this.
Ya!. I really want them to. I can also understand them preferring reddit as a medium of interacting with players though. The thing is, I am totally ready to write up a long, detailed, and thorough plan for a new feature, but I don't want to waste my time if it will just be ignored. Damn, I wish I were a developer. haha. |
Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
2020
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Posted - 2015.11.12 20:53:52 -
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a lot of people think that, but turns out their idea was bad
if your idea is good I'm sure ccp will read it. but will they implement it? That is a bit more rare.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Cidanel Afuran
Static-Noise
Upholders
408
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Posted - 2015.11.12 21:04:42 -
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The process from idea to showing up in game isn't trivial. Let's say you post an idea here that blows up. Everyone thinks it's nothing short of amazing. It will still be months (or longer) before it's vetted by CCP as a whole, formally proposed for player feedback by CCP, mapped against CCP's current development timeline, devs actually develop it, integrate it with current code, fix everything in the current code that your new idea broke, implement it on SiSi, re-write code through feedback from the test server, and finally released into the game.
Long story short, there is rarely a 'quick fix' to anything in a computer program as large and complex as EVE. That being said, the sooner you get an idea out there, the sooner that process can be started. |
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
347
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Posted - 2015.11.12 23:26:10 -
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reported post for innappropriate location, but yes, I've seen CCP comment on several ideas, though none particularly recently
For posting an idea into F&I:
come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it.....
If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
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Ix Method
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.11.13 00:00:03 -
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EDIT: **** it.
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Catherine Laartii
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
Heiian Conglomerate
620
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Posted - 2015.11.13 00:13:15 -
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They do look at our ideas, and they have implemented them. The most recent example would be the Battlecruiser projection changes which were pretty much taken wholesale from a player's thread. |
XODIOS Katelo
Whiskey And Gunpowder
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Posted - 2015.11.13 00:15:40 -
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They glance over then as they click "send to trash"
Which is where most of these moronic ideas should stay. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
1925
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Posted - 2015.11.13 00:25:29 -
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Yes, there are many Dev's who read these threads. They do not always comment in them, but they do read them.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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01101989
Regnum Satanae
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Posted - 2015.11.13 01:14:29 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Yes, there are many Dev's who read these threads. They do not always comment in them, but they do read them.
How do you know they read them? |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2015.11.13 02:44:31 -
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Yes they do read them, and some have even been implemented. But it is very rare that any threads have an achievable and worthwhile goal toward the overall health of eve but the ones that are both may get dev attention and possibly implemented
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.11.13 02:56:04 -
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They do. there have been quite a few changes I've seen that come from both publicly supported ideas and ideas lost to obscurity.
The timeframe is rarely as quick as you would think. They already have a schedule set, and squeezing out dedicated resources takes time. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
1925
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Posted - 2015.11.13 03:47:30 -
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01101989 wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:Yes, there are many Dev's who read these threads. They do not always comment in them, but they do read them. How do you know they read them?
I've had several chats with CCP Larrikin about different forum threads - it was clear from those that he had read them. Several other Devs have commented on it on various broadcasts and in these forums.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.11.13 04:23:52 -
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Not only does CCP read through these forums, but I even help show them threads that might pique their interest! It's a fun process!
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.11.13 04:44:46 -
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I once asked this and got a dev response within the first few posts!
The main reason they don't comment much is probably a combination of them being too busy reading the posts as well as not wanting to form an early opinion that could misrepresent the company.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Stitch Kaneland
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
632
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Posted - 2015.11.13 04:58:54 -
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See my sig for the link of my proposed BC changes that were implemented 2 patches ago. CCP did tweak my original suggestion from a 50% optimal or falloff bonus to a 25% bonus to each. Still, the principle remained the same.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
635
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:11:20 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:They do look at it. A lot of discussion has moved to reddit because they can have a different style of discussion over there. Discussion here is looked at.
Now would be a great time for a random dev to chime in w/ a "Heck yeah" we read this.
And they are doing themselves and us a disservice with this.
Splitting discussions between multiple web sites is more disruptive than spitting a discussion between multiple topics on the same site.
Setting that aside it is a pathetic state when the devs and others at CCP spend more time on a 3rd party web site than they do on the "OFFICIAL" forums for the game, forums that they created specifically for discussion of ideas. If the Redit style of forum is better for discussing these ideas then why not change the format of these forums?
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:45:18 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:They do look at it. A lot of discussion has moved to reddit because they can have a different style of discussion over there. Discussion here is looked at.
Now would be a great time for a random dev to chime in w/ a "Heck yeah" we read this. And they are doing themselves and us a disservice with this. Splitting discussions between multiple web sites is more disruptive than spitting a discussion between multiple topics on the same site. Setting that aside it is a pathetic state when the devs and others at CCP spend more time on a 3rd party web site than they do on the "OFFICIAL" forums for the game, forums that they created specifically for discussion of ideas. If the Redit style of forum is better for discussing these ideas then why not change the format of these forums?
Go lie down in your bed. Pretend the alarm clock just rang. Get out of bed ON THE OTHER SIDE. Enjoy your day.
I personally don't care for it myslef, but pathetic may be an overstatement.
Bora Bora is fantastic this time of year, dwell on that instead. |
Madeleine Lemmont
Divide et Impera DE
Aeterna Anima
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:05:05 -
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01101989 wrote:I mean, I don't want to write out a long, detailed idea if it won't even be looked at. I think I have a really good idea, but I don't want to share if it's just going to be ignored. ... You'll never know until you tried it.
In some rare cases it might be, that CCP has no need to check ideas. Not ever a really good idea of one is a really good idea for others too.
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Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
269
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:07:19 -
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A lot of good responses have already been posted, and I'll cite "Devs often too busy to post frequently" and "don't want to misrepresent company position".
I'd like to throw one more into the mix. "Don't want to create expectations". In that, I mean, if Devs started responding to almost every thread started here, there would be an expectation that only threads responded to, were actually seen. Right now we operate under the assumption (and often confirmed by multiple Devs) that they do take the time to read most threads. But we don't need the reinforcement of seeing a Dev reply to a thread to know they've seen it. We just know that if it is worthwhile, they've seen it.
Personally, I can say yes, I'd be a little gleeful if a thread I started got an official Dev response. But regardless, I know/have faith that the first thread I started (link in sig!) has been seen. Just that so far, the answer is an assumed "we're not interested" or "not the sort of direction we're trying to move in". Although with the recent brain in a box implementation, my ideas are a bit more feasible, and I may even have more ideas to integrate into command ships. 
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2713
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Posted - 2015.11.13 20:02:13 -
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Donnachadh wrote:If the Redit style of forum is better for discussing these ideas then why not change the format of these forums?
"Better" is a subjective qualifier. Most folks seem to think the Twitter format is a good way to assimilate information; I couldn't find what I was looking for on Twitter if my life depended on it, and I know how to find things on the internet.
If the devs feel that Reddit is mostly superior to their own forum style, perhaps all they need to do is keep us updated a little better about what goes on in their part of Reddit. I don't want them to change the forums to be like Reddit; if I wanted to use that style, I would have been following them on Reddit a long time ago.
in before someone mentions that I opened my rant with a double qualifier, or that a TEST member doesn't use Reddit.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:34:42 -
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Yes, the developers read ideas posted here and give them careful thought.
Khan Wrenth wrote:I'd like to throw one more into the mix. "Don't want to create expectations."
The greatest risk posting as a developer is appearing to promise changes that may be slow in coming, if at all. I personally try not to promise specific action unless the work is already in progress and going well.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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01101989
Regnum Satanae
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Posted - 2015.11.13 22:52:32 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Yes, the developers read ideas posted here and give them careful thought. Khan Wrenth wrote:I'd like to throw one more into the mix. "Don't want to create expectations." The greatest risk posting as a developer is appearing to promise changes that may be slow in coming, if at all. I personally try not to promise specific action unless the work is already in progress and going well.
Great! This is what I wanted to hear, as you probably knew. Thank you for responding and providing me with a sense of hope.
Best,
ZER0NE |
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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
1701
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Posted - 2015.11.13 23:29:48 -
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01101989 wrote:Great! This is what I wanted to hear, as you probably knew. Thank you for responding and providing me with a sense of hope.
Thank you for having ideas and posting them here! Please continue doing so even if you don't always get a personal response. We're still here and paying attention.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2714
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Posted - 2015.11.14 00:53:45 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:The greatest risk posting as a developer is appearing to promise changes that may be slow in coming, if at all. I personally try not to promise specific action unless the work is already in progress and going well.
You can't even give a subtle nod to an idea. A simple "I like this" becomes "CCP Darwin supports my idea!" becomes "CCP is working on my idea" becomes "CCP is in progress to implementing my idea" becomes "when is my idea going to roll out on SiSi?".
01101989 wrote:Great! This is what I wanted to hear, as you probably knew. Thank you for responding and providing me with a sense of hope.
Best,
ZER0NE
I can give you an even better sense of hope. There was a time I played around with destroyers a bit, but I always disliked how their fitting was so paper-thin due to having all those guns. I figured if a destroyer had 6 guns instead of 8 and moved two high slots down to mid or low, it would be a fair ship but a lot easier to fit and fly. This was back before tiericide I was proposing this idea.
During tiericide tiers of ships were converted into types of ships, including attack and combat variants. I quickly took up the chance to start calling my destroyer idea a combat destroyer.
I don't know how much of it was based on my proposing, but eventually CCP released the "tier 2" destroyers. Not quite what I had been asking for, but they moved one high slot down to mid/low and were a lot easier to give a comfortable fit while still being a lot more powerful than a frigate.
Many times I have suggested things, and very often I see some semblance of what I suggested being made into reality. I don't know how much of it came from me or how much I just made a good prediction on, but I like to think I'm a significant part of this community, and that if I'd never come around here, things would have been a bit different and slightly less awesome.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Matthew Dust
Valklear Legionnaires
46
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Posted - 2015.11.24 11:26:59 -
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#portdust514 establish the link before start citizen gains traction. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage
RAZOR Alliance
699
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Posted - 2015.11.24 14:25:48 -
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Matthew Dust wrote:#portdust514 establish the link before start citizen gains traction.
Competition is healthy. It's really quite surprising we never saw an X-universe mmo or something.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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