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merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.08 21:57:00 - [1] Ithere any where I could find a list that shows what events have been run over the last year by ISD, in what systems and which corps/alliances managed to complete the event and what prize they gained.. I cant see a definative easy to find list that would help my curiousity and perhaps give me a better idea of the mechanics of events Thank you in advance
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.09 11:24:00 - [2] Seems that ISD are willing to reply to defend themselves in other threads but are not willing to even give the courtesy of a reply to this simple request. I am bunping this by way of this reply to ensure the question doesnt get ignored and drop, Openess in the actions of the events staff is surely the best way to show complete open handedness and lack of bias in the way events and rewards are distributed. If such a list does not exist to show all events, the invited participants and the rewards how can the system be checked to ensure that events are not run for the benefit of a few friends.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.01.09 12:34:00 - [3] Edited by: Smagd on 09/01/2007 12:39:41 Hmm, I can list three (but I won't mention names in order not to give any drug haters ammunition - feel free to guess whoever was involved): - Early in 2006 a wild band of two or three Thukkers "Khanke-Something Outriders" offered handsome financial benefits for three or four smuggling missions into Minmatar high sec. I personally witnessed a solo job from Amamake to Pator, frig sized cargo of a moderately illegal drug for around 1M ISK. They did some more with a larger smuggler corp, but it was really only just very few missions and the Outriders got lost somewhere in jail I believe. - In July 2006 ten regularly convicted Minmatar Republic criminals escaped their prisons, stole ships and made a beeline for Angel space in groups of two. A low-sec shy Republic Fleet representative in a posh police frig contacted a pod pilot organization to apprehend their ships and/or pods for a return to their jails. A small monetary compensation was offered, but unanimously donated to the survivors of any guard killed during the initial jail break. On hindsight, we should have tried to get the last two criminals to eject from their ships - they were flying Concord "shotgun" style battleships, although I've got a feeling they would rather have self-destructed. - A Rogue Drone Bee took up residency in one of the Ammold training deadspaces in a pretty regular looking Drone Dominix, declaring intent to found a new drone hive to all of local. Now, from level 4 experience getting within 20 kms from that in a rookie frig appeared to be a really bad idea. Pilots were still trying to figure how to firstly get into rookie frigs, or secondly bring anything but rookie frigates through the acceleration gate, when one eager pilot finally attacked. We ended up having at least one rookie ship with Tech 2 guns in there. Fortunately for the assembled mob, the Drone Bee wasn't very good at focus fire, otherwise her combat drones could have made this a bloody day. Rewards were a few not too expensive T2 modules from the loot (rocket launchers T2 and small T2 drones). Of all these I liked the last best. While it was fun to interact in major roleplay with a crowd of drunken Thukkers, the actual smuggling was a bit too easy / straightforward. And while the compensation was good, it was just too few missions. The second one was better in providing a nice little story arc with good role play both on part of the police and the criminals providing an opportunity to shoot at Concord Battleship legally, and also proved that ISD has some tactical knowledge (not being able to shoot at pods, saw them escape through gates several times till we finally brought a webifier blush, and the Concord Battleships were found in a complex deadspace in sniper positions, hard to tackle that with all tacklers using MWDs) but the rewards were so minimal we all just decided to not bother with them (and role-played it into a donation). The third was just instant plain puzzle-type fun, and addressed to rookies, too. If that Bee hadn't been meant to deal with real rookies (and hence couldn't really be strong), she could easily have done a lot more damage, and never mind about the rewards really. Easy good fun. Hope to see more. Last Edit: By the way, you may want to make your topic a little more "speaking". "Events of 2006 recapitulated" is a lot better (and searchable!) than "Just as matter of interest". -- Thukkers do

Dogal ISD AURORA Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:04:00 - [4] Since there has already been a topic about accountability then I suggest you go and read Nebulai's reply here. It isn't about being open it is about roleplay immersion, the events are not there to hand out rewards only but ofc people who put in time to follow an arc through are rewarded. When it comes to rewards there are tonnes of factors such as size and length of the story arc, risks involved, how dedicated players have been to their roleplaying etc etc.. Regarding if there is anywhere you can find a list, then the answer is simple: No Does CCP / Aurora have the information: Yes Are CCP informed of every event we run: Yes Are CCP notified/involved in all major rewards: Yes Do you think CCP would let a volunteer team be biased? ...I don't. Keep the topic free from flaming, accusations or trolling and it won't face same locking-destiny as other one.

merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Dogal Regarding if there is anywhere you can find a list, then the answer is simple: No Thank you for your honest reply But it does worry me that along with comments like.. Quote: as well as asking players that our characters have gotten to know as trustworthy could lead people to wonder if events that deliver major rewards are only organised for those known personally to the events team, and if this is the case then of course certain corps /alliances would be given an advantage over others in the game. this is a point that should be of concern for all corps/alliances. Is there a issue which stops the events team listing which events have been held, which rewards were given, and to which corps/alliances. If no disproportionate amount of events/awards have been given to any particular organisations then the public listing should put everyones mind at rest as to wether the delivery of events/rewards is being carried out in a fair and equitable manner. If in the unlikely event it shows some organisations do recieve a disproportionate amount of events/rewards then surely this would also be a good thing, enabling the events team to more carefully allocate their resources throughout the Eve community

Dogal ISD AURORA Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:16:00 - [6] Quote: as well as asking players that our characters have gotten to know as trustworthy This mean as "in character", roleplay you know ;) It has nothing to do with our OOG feelings or IG relationship as our PC. There are very fat big red/pink/teal lines between our IC roleplay as Aurora, our IG PC and us OOG. Ofc if a group/corp/alliance say "we don't want any events" then that can easily be arranged. So if you have any thought it would mean anything to our OOC relationships then you can skip that. It is Roleplay 101 to separate the character you act and..well.. everything that isn't in character. Originally by: merc999 this is a point that should be of concern for all corps/alliances. So why aren't all corps/alliance they voicing concerns in such a manner...? Originally by: merc999 Is there a issue which stops the events team listing which events have been held, which rewards were given, and to which corps/alliances. If no disproportionate amount of events/awards have been given to any particular organisations then the public listing should put everyones mind at rest as to wether the delivery of events/rewards is being carried out in a fair and equitable manner. If in the unlikely event it shows some organisations do recieve a disproportionate amount of events/rewards then surely this would also be a good thing, enabling the events team to more carefully allocate their resources throughout the Eve community There are several reasons, but to take the one that came first to mind is that since all storyline events are in character as part of the dynamic story in EVE we don't "announce" rewards in an out of character way - that would only ruin the immersion of the dynamic universe. So please let CCP and Aurora leads (with several years experience of eventage) decide what is appropriate and not. Again, if you have proof of us cheating you know from Neb's post where to mail. I will only say it once again - no list is published or ever will be. Such a list would only act as flamebait and a trolling starter if every player were to decide what is appropriate - and that would result in people not wanting to volunteer (who wanna volunteer if they get 9 parts whining and 1 part thumbs up) ..which would lead to no events in EVE. So if you don't have any further questions, cuz I see this one as answered.

merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:36:00 - [7] Edited by: merc999 on 09/01/2007 18:36:07 Firstly, I have not accused anyone of anything.. Your answers, while appreciated, do not address the primary concern that I have. Accountabilty at the moment is between those who RP, those who RP in ISD and CCP, there is no way any one outside that circle can either reap the rewards of major events or see if there is any corps/alliance gaining an unfair advantage in the wider Eve community (RPers interact with non-RP corps/alliances as well). Take an example. A small RP corps is at war with a small non RP corps, the sides pretty evenly balanced, the non RP corps has to fund its war by conventional means, the RP corps doing the same, until an event that has been released to the RPers, known to the ISD team provides a capitol ship to the RP corps. that reward for an event changes the status quo within the war. Given this scenerio the RP corps has been given a distinct advantage by the ISD team that the non-RP corps has no access too. perhaps to answer your point about non RP alliances/corps concerns, perhaps because this discussion is not allowed to happen in the Corps/alliance discussion forums and is moved to this quiet backwater on the forums it is a point that has been largely overlooked Has it happened? we dont know because we cant be told, could it happen? given the answers provided by your good self above most definatly yes. Would it happen ? that is an answer only you guys can answer from within yourselves.

Dogal ISD AURORA Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:55:00 - [8] As per my first reply regarding accountability - see Neb's post in the linked thread. And can we please leave speculations and rumours elsewhere and please don't re-angle same question once again. So if that was all..

merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:07:00 - [9] TBH, Brushing aside my comments only makes me feel that there is a clique within Eve that exists to give others within that clique rewards outside the usual game mechanics ( is say usual game mechanics as non RP corps by ISD's own comments are normally excluded). the appearnce that ISD comments have made is that they give out the events to those 1. they know 2. they trust 3. that RP that is a extremely restricted group ie: Clique In a game that is based on learning and experience to have a section that is given "special" privelages and possibly an unfair advantage over the mainstream is inherently against the spirit that is Eve. Of course I may be totally mistaken about the "clique" but as ISD will not release details of who they give high end rewards/events too on a regular basis I have no way of knowing.
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Dogal As per my first reply regarding accountability - see Neb's post in the linked thread. And can we please leave speculations and rumours elsewhere and please don't re-angle same question once again. So if that was all.. How can one prove anything without access to any information? Exactly they cant.
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:28:00 - [11] Edited by: merc999 on 09/01/2007 19:26:16 Edited by: merc999 on 09/01/2007 19:25:20 Originally by: Superbus Maximus How can one prove anything without access to any information? Exactly they cant. To be fair , because they wont allow us to know who is invited to take part in high end events and who reaps the rewards they also cannot prove that there is no bias to their friends or corps they have their main characters in. So you have a stalemate, with neither viewpoint able to take the adavntage over the other, unless of course a event happens and information is released as a reward to one side and not the other to prove one sides arguement.

Ginger.	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:11:00 - [12] What I find worrying is that you think the main reward of being involved in an event is getting something spanky and shiny at the end. That is not the case and should never be the case. Rewards actually have a really strict critea that must be approved by several people. I can really see no constructive reason why information on all the events running or have been run in EVE would be released apart from people using it as flame to accuse the hard working aurora volunteers of bias. If you think there has been bias then let us know, if not then we really have enough conspiracy theories so far without their being more need for tinfoil hats. Ginger World Domination, my race will rule!

merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:18:00 - [13] Edited by: merc999 on 10/01/2007 10:20:57 Quote: What I find worrying is that you think the main reward of being involved in an event is getting something spanky and shiny at the end. And I find it worrying thatit is possible an item such as a mothership or other capitol ship or other extremely high and strategic value reward could be given to a corp/alliance as the result of an event organised by people who admit they give out events to those they know and trust, and the majority of the Eve population are either in the dark about the event, or the event is possibly organised in such a way that only the ISD friends can possibly complete it. Or is it policy that some RP corps/alliances that are friends with/ well known by / that have ISD members main characters should be given a strategic/tactical/economic advantage over non-RP corps/alliances? (unfair question ?? very probably but without knowing who gets the benfits of these events it is hard to judge)
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:21:00 - [14] Quote: apart from people using it as flame to accuse the hard working aurora volunteers of bias If the list shows that the corps/alliance that get to take part in these events are a true mix throughout Eve, then surely publishing the list would negate any flaming. Not telling only increases speculation that ISD have something to hide
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:26:00 - [15] Quote: If you think there has been bias then let us know Again we dont know, because the information needed to make that judgement is not made available
stone slug	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:40:00 - [16] merc999, you have been told all there is to know repeatedly by both ISD and a member of the DEV team. if that is not enough for you why dont you seek out such an event, find out what happens inside these supposed closed "RP" circles. you never know you might actauly have fun along the way. tbh i dont see why they dont lock this thread. you have your answers.

Ginger.	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:43:00 - [17] The rewards you state have to go thru CCP approval before they are given out, so im afraid if its conspiracy theories your looking for then you will have accuse CCP of bias and not the people who volunteer their time to make EVE a more interesting and lively place to be. Im really not going to entertain a witch hunt without any basis on fact. Like I said if you believe there has been bias then let us know, otherwise you just going to have to trust us.

merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:51:00 - [18] I respectfully submit , all I have been told by the ISD members and the Dev: 1. We give out events to people we know 2. We will not tell who we give those events too 3. We do give out high value strategic rewards for those missions 4. We wont tell you what they are or who recieved them 5. We wont tell you wether there is a equitable distribution of these events/rewards Not a single question actually asked has been answered. I have not accused anyone of bias, or of impropriety, I am only concerned that such impropriety could/is occuring if there is not a disclosure of who ISD supports with these "Events" Worst case scenerio: ISD members use Events to artificially support the corps their main characters are in, or those of their friends. I dont believe this is the case, but without discloure to the Eve population that possibilty is always there. Volunters have been known to errrrrr... bend the rules for their friends in the past.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:54:00 - [19] I think someone is upset because they never got a free dread or carrier from Aurora. Awwww. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:56:00 - [20] Quote: I think someone is upset because they never got a free dread or carrier from Aurora. Awwww. Cant fly em I'm afraid ... but did have my eye on a Navy issue Shuttle
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:57:00 - [21] Originally by: merc999 I respectfully submit , all I have been told by the ISD members and the Dev: 1. We give out events to people we know 2. We will not tell who we give those events too 3. We do give out high value strategic rewards for those missions 4. We wont tell you what they are or who recieved them 5. We wont tell you wether there is a equitable distribution of these events/rewards 1: READ woman READ. Read his post again without your OMGBIAS glasses on and youll see what it really says. 2: Duh. 3: Theyre fairly well known, LV scored the Angel Cartel mothership a while back. Other then the tournament mothership prices no real strategic rewards where ever given out. 4: LV, Bob, Bob. Happy? 5: Duh. As you where told over 5 times, posting 2 and 5 will just cause people to ***** and complain like... err you... ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:04:00 - [22] Edited by: merc999 on 10/01/2007 11:01:17 Quote: posting 2 and 5 will just cause people to *** and complain like... err you... Posting 2 and 5, would probably, if all is above board shut me up permanently on this subject, and allay any fears of bias. Read what I have posted time and time again, I dont know if any favouritism is happening from ISD to some corps/alliances because the we are not allowed to know. I am just told to trust.. well I am not the sort of person that trusts people that havent shown** they are trustworthy, and by keeping the details of these events hidden doesnt help earn that trust
stone slug	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:12:00 - [23] Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 10/01/2007 11:01:17 Quote: posting 2 and 5 will just cause people to *** and complain like... err you... ... I am just told to trust.. well I am not the sort of person that trusts people that haven't shown** they are trustworthy... So you trust ccp with your credit card details and your personal information, but don't trust them to keep a unbiased view in their game. i can see your logic there, honestly
merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:16:00 - [24] Quote: 1: READ woman READ. Read his post again without your OMGBIAS glasses on and youll see what it really says. I did ... Quote: as well as asking players that our characters have gotten to know as trustworthy
Monkeyfingers Caldari Raitaru Innovation	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:32:00 - [25] Originally by: merc999 Ithere any where I could find a list that shows what events have been run over the last year by ISD, in what systems Probably not the best place to ask this question, but it seems fitting as far as the above quote. In the particular event that I had the absolute pleasure of participating in (I didn't loot, I was having too much fun), the participants and I were very vocal, heavy on the interraction, etc. To the point where the ebil guristas actually threatened me personally with revenge etc. It was obviously the first part of the arc, if there even was one. The whole Taladigi Trading deal. So I do some stuff that is rather RP and participatory and contact those involved etc, to no end. Much to my incredibly severe dissapointment, the arc gets continued weeks later something like 18 jumps away. Based on the info given by the event staff and what was in the news, doesn't make any sense. I scoured threads, contacted other players, and did everything I could to participate in the thread that for me turned into "We'll be back for you, Monkeyfingers" event. Can we get some kind of localization with events? I see no reason why a Caldari based event should be scattered accross the entirety of state space. Especially if you are going to start it in a COSMOS constellation, which pretty much screams to all the cosmos folk "omg yay we get to not grind the same old plexes for a week or two". Turned into a ramble. But seriously scattering one arc all over known space does absolutely NOTHING for rp immersion in my book.

Libertina ISD STAR Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:33:00 - [26] Originally by: merc999 I am just told to trust.. well I am not the sort of person that trusts people that havent shown they are trustworthy, and by keeping the details of these events hidden doesnt help earn that trust Making us (ISD and CCP) look like we're by default not trustworthy and demanding us to prove that we are is somewhat twisted. The other way around is how you should approach this topic, you are playing a game by CCP and have to accept they try all and everything to keep it balanced. Simply because you can't access internal documents doesn't mean we want to hide something. It simply means that they chose not to show each and everyone for above mentioned reasons. TBH, with ISD consisting of members of every single political entity on the galaxy landscape and being part of every playing preferences group (carebear, pvp, insert whatever you can come up with) , assuming that they'd support their playing characters only kinda contradicts the argument we'd solely support a single group of players.

merc999 Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:42:00 - [27] Edited by: merc999 on 10/01/2007 11:50:37 Quote: Making us (ISD and CCP) look like we're by default not trustworthy I did not say you were not trustworthy, only that without disclosure on the activities that you guys do I cant make a judgement. a totally different thing Now to be entirely fair here, and as the asked for disclosure is obviously not forthcoming, my mind would be put at rest if CCP/ISD would simply tell me that in the entire time of Eve a volunteer or number of volunteers have ever been found out to be assisting a member/corp/alliance to the detriment of others?. If this has never happened or the sa*uards in place and stopped EVERY single incident of this type BEFORE** it was bought to CCPs/ISD attention by the capsuleer community by asking questions such as mine then I will be completely silent on the subject. (BTW I already know the answer) I am not asking anyone to prove their innocence, I have no idea wether anyone is guilty of anything, the trouble is it is possible
Monkeyfingers Caldari Raitaru Innovation	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Libertina Making us (ISD and CCP) look like we're by default not trustworthy and demanding us to prove that we are is somewhat twisted. The other way around is how you should approach this topic, you are playing a game by CCP and have to accept they try all and everything to keep it balanced. Simply because you can't access internal documents doesn't mean we want to hide something. It simply means that they chose not to show each and everyone for above mentioned reasons. TBH, with ISD consisting of members of every single political entity on the galaxy landscape and being part of every playing preferences group (carebear, pvp, insert whatever you can come up with) , assuming that they'd support their playing characters only kinda contradicts the argument we'd solely support a single group of players.[/quote Even though that one event was the only one I have participated in, I am going to have to back this argument and add a small touch. A particular corporation was definetly favored when it came to the Taladigi event. This may be the reason the arc moved to a different location. Why? Because that particular corp (not naming them without permission) worked their asses off enhance the event. They went RP to the max, interacted with the ISD staff heavily and in character, and even made it alot more fun for the rest of the players involved who didnt participate quite so heavily. So they deserve whatever they got out of it, because they probably helped take it from a single event to possibly a full blown arc. Also, if you do get involved in an aurora event, please report it to the appropriate news channels. You gain from these events pretty much what you put into them, from what I have seen.
Ander Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.10 12:17:00 - [29] I know that a lot of events are made up by random players. But at times I must admit it feels like merc999 has a point. Sometimes these events consist of a small clique of players who either heard it from their "friends" in the corp/alliance who had no previous sources from news. Or people from IRC-channels where the same people frequent. I enjoy events just as much as other players even though I'm a pirate. Though events are by experience (and backing this info up, a lot of roleplay reports sent to my website for approvial) focused to few corps/alliances. While I can see the reasoning behind CCP's reluctance to hand out information about events after they have been held. I can also see that this will fuel conspiracy-theories. I remember back in 2003 where part of the volunteers got accused of abusing their "powers" by players. People reported several cases where volunteers had used their accounts to be on locations where nobody had called for assistance or help (at least according to the players). I don't know how this ended, if the players were proven wrong or if any polaris got booted. But I'm sure CCP are doing anything in their power to prove the credability of themselves and their volunteers. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
SOH'CAH'TOA Amarr Robber Barons Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:17:00 - [30] i would be interested in a list of events and what went down after the fact. anyone who roleplays or just likes to read a good story would enjoy something like that anyways. release as eve chronicles?

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