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Unvisibility
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Posted - 2007.01.09 08:14:00 -
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And so we see CCP's true stance on ISK-buying again.
A site run by the largest RMT company there is advertised on EVE-O forums and stickied 
Why don't CCP just come out and be honest about it - EVE is now an RMT game, sanctioned, condoned and supported by CCP.
Of course once they realise that IGE are actually in competition with the GTC RMT then maybe they'll think again about helping publicise ISK sellers like Allakhazam...
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Karl Chroimcer
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.09 08:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Unvisibility
And so we see CCP's true stance on ISK-buying again.
A site run by the largest RMT company there is advertised on EVE-O forums and stickied
Why don't CCP just come out and be honest about it - EVE is now an RMT game, sanctioned, condoned and supported by CCP.
Of course once they realise that IGE are actually in competition with the GTC RMT then maybe they'll think again about helping publicise ISK sellers like Allakhazam...
Looking at that site, I do not see one ISK selling advertisement or any links to purchase or hints on where to purchase in-game currency.
In fact, you are promoting it more than Allakhazam is right now.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.01.09 09:01:00 -
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This looks like a awesome site to me. I specially like the guides... there are some nice stuff in there. :)
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Surrogate
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Posted - 2007.01.09 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: Surrogate on 09/01/2007 09:27:45
Originally by: Christopher Scott
It's a very nice site and all..
.. but isn't Allakhazam bought and owned by IGE? For those who don't know, IGE is a professional company that sells ingame currency for virtually every existing MMO out there. IGE claims that they do not buy gold from sweatshop-farmers, like those based in China, but they don't research any of their buyers and encourage "don't ask, don't tell."
Originally by: Unvisibility
And so we see CCP's true stance on ISK-buying again.
A site run by the largest RMT company there is advertised on EVE-O forums and stickied
Why don't CCP just come out and be honest about it - EVE is now an RMT game, sanctioned, condoned and supported by CCP.
Of course once they realise that IGE are actually in competition with the GTC RMT then maybe they'll think again about helping publicise ISK sellers like Allakhazam...
Allakhazam has a very definite stance on RMT. This may sound contradictory to the tinfoil hats but website policy is against RMT advertisment and discussions of it. IGE has no ad space for their RMT businesses on the website, and never will. In fact, we permaban people that advertise RMT on the website.
Allakhazam is also not exactly owned by IGE. Both companies are owned by the same group, and are run seperately. Early on in the merger the decision was made to keep the businesses seperate for various reasons, including the RMT issue. This means limited or no contact between the two websites, no advertisments, no special deals, promotions or endorsements, etc.
Originally by: Daddy's Belt
Wow, some of those guides are REALLY out of date. Traders need an afterburner? What for?
Junk.
Kaaii's introductory guide to trading was one of the best ones around, despite being more than two years old. Some artifacts snuck in, but we tried to update it a bit (especially with regards to the recent removal of instajumps) without changing anything significant.
The continued benefit of afterburners on trading industrials is also quite debatable, sir, if we are to go into that. What else are you putting in your midslots?
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Christopher Scott
Caldari
Vengeance of the Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.09 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Chroimcer
Looking at that site, I do not see one ISK selling advertisement or any links to purchase or hints on where to purchase in-game currency.
In fact, you are promoting it more than C is right now.
Please, direct your attention to here: Azzor Article
Which discusses the buyout of Allakhazam, changing it to Zam.com, which is also merged with Thottbot.com and OGaming.com Proof here: Official Announcement
Originally by: Administrator
Allakhazam is pleased to announce that we have added several new sites to our network and have joined them together to form the Zam.com Network which is now instantly the leading content destination for all MMO gamers.
The new Zam.com Network will consist of newly expanded and improved versions of Allakhazam.com and Thottbot.com. In addition, the assets and content of OGaming.com (and the interface sites) and L2Orphus.com will be integrated into the existing Allakhazam network. This will add multiple new games to our site, more than double our personnel and give us the flexibility to add more features, better service and expanded coverage.
What the announcement forgot to mention, was that Zam.com was bought, created, and now owned by IGE. Or to be more precise, they are owned by the parent company that also owns IGE.
That is, until it was mentioned here:
Originally by: Administrator
The ownership issues here are convoluted. This is how deals like this get done. The size of this is pretty amazing. This is just the announcement for our own users, not the actual corporate announcement, which will likely come much later. We are now owned by a company that owns a bunch of stuff, including IGE.
A further analysis of the Zam.com announcement, as well as the responses from the administrator, can be found here:
Allakhazam Sells Out to IGE.
This information may be unknown to the EVE community, but it is widely known by the communities of Everquest, WoW, L2, and SWG, to name a few. Thottbot.com and OGaming.com are notorious for advertising IGE and other currency-selling companies. Allakhazam is also known for not only running these same kinds of ads, but spreading a large keylogger virus through an infected banner. It has happened several times already, just check Google to see all the proof. Older WoW players will remember the account-stealing epidemic that was caused by this.
Need I really say more? 
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Karl Chroimcer
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.09 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Scott
SNIP
First off, i'm aware of all these facts. Perhaps you read my post wrong? I do believe I said I saw no evidence on their site that they promote ISK selling (Which is true).
They are owned by the Parent company of IGE, not IGE. That is completely different than being owned by IGE.
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.09 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Dekiri on 09/01/2007 10:48:18
I remember when allakhazam was still just an erudite wizard=P
Amazing job done from that point back in i think 1999. Whoever bought the site from the original creator has done a nice job to expand the network and setup game specific resource sites. Although he got a lot of **** for selling out (who would not have taken the money though) i think he was a real pioneer.
To the haters, i am also aware of the fact that a lot of BS happened in the past with that network, but atm it seems relativly clean. No currency sale adds or anything in that direction even though it is technically part of the IGE business structure.
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Hehulk
Black Sea Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:17:00 -
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Funny, I remeber this happening early 2006/late 2005 and the community gave you 5 pages of no, sod off.
How times change
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Reiisha
Satal's Legion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Surrogate
Allakhazam has a very definite stance on RMT. This may sound contradictory to the tinfoil hats but website policy is against RMT advertisment and discussions of it. IGE has no ad space for their RMT businesses on the website, and never will. In fact, we permaban people that advertise RMT on the website.
Allakhazam is also not exactly owned by IGE. Both companies are owned by the same group, and are run seperately. Early on in the merger the decision was made to keep the businesses seperate for various reasons, including the RMT issue. This means limited or no contact between the two websites, no advertisments, no special deals, promotions or endorsements, etc.
Isn't it true that wow.allakhazam pretty much doubles gold prices mentioned on all items in the DB to make more people buy gold? I for one noticed that most, if not all, price indications of items are WAY above what they are worth, and what they normally go for.
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hehulk
Funny, I remeber this happening early 2006/late 2005 and the community gave you 5 pages of no, sod off.
How times change
i looked and looked for that thread, to the point of reviewing everything I ever posted in, to no avail. It might just be the 5am speaking, or the sleep deprivation, but I just can't find it. Anyone else happen to bookmark it, or be smarter than I am?
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.09 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Surrogate
Allakhazam has a very definite stance on RMT. This may sound contradictory to the tinfoil hats but website policy is against RMT advertisment and discussions of it. IGE has no ad space for their RMT businesses on the website, and never will. In fact, we permaban people that advertise RMT on the website.
Allakhazam is also not exactly owned by IGE. Both companies are owned by the same group, and are run seperately. Early on in the merger the decision was made to keep the businesses seperate for various reasons, including the RMT issue. This means limited or no contact between the two websites, no advertisments, no special deals, promotions or endorsements, etc.
Isn't it true that wow.allakhazam pretty much doubles gold prices mentioned on all items in the DB to make more people buy gold? I for one noticed that most, if not all, price indications of items are WAY above what they are worth, and what they normally go for.
I dunno about you Reiisha, but I've noticed that the gold value of items and trade goods tends to differ between servers, and I believe the gold value in the Allakhazam database is based on values fetched through the WoWReader software that alot of Allakhazam users use. "Buffing up" gold values in the database to encourage gold buying, and at the same time running a hard policy against advertising gold selling... sounds counterproductive. And slightly pointless.
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Awox
I Fought Piranhas
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:29:00 -
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Allakhaza offers nothing that any other EVE fansites already does. So why was this stickied?
There's only a few explanations:
a) IGE & CCP have some arrangement
b) IGE & One of CCP's employees have some arrangement
c) Forum mod who doesn't actually play EVE genuinely thought this site was just what the community needs, or more likely:
c) Forum mod got some incentive to make this site known?
Allakhaza sells out to IGE
The truth about IGE and the gold industry
Please un-sticky and delete this post. I believe this is a scam.
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Kaaii
Caldari
Equilibrium LLC
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:33:00 -
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I used to camp allakhazam's web site, back in the first days of EQ. Most of my info about the game camp from here, from the quests, to the tradeskill recipes. When "the tunnel" was the place to be on a sat afternoon's buying spree.
But what ****ed me off most about the site was after all the players submitting recipes/quests/drops/infos and "guides" loaded the site up nitely, you all cut off all but "paying" subscribers (premium service) to use the very material we as a collective entity had submitted...
Trading 101
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Marisal
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Marisal on 09/01/2007 12:30:47
Double Post
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Marisal
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Allakhaza offers nothing that any other EVE fansites already does. So why was this stickied?
There's only a few explanations:
a) IGE & CCP have some arrangement
b) IGE & One of CCP's employees have some arrangement
c) Forum mod who doesn't actually play EVE genuinely thought this site was just what the community needs, or more likely:
c) Forum mod got some incentive to make this site known?
Allakhaza sells out to IGE
The truth about IGE and the gold industry
Please un-sticky and delete this post. I believe this is a scam.
Hate to ***** out the tin foil hats but yuh in effect all this site does is duplicate the useful links list at the top of the eve profession forums. There are plenty of other sites that have gone by in just the past few weeks that were new and fresh and very good. They should have been stickied but havent. An explination by the Mods is required.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
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I used to camp allakhazam's web site, back in the first days of EQ. Most of my info about the game camp from here, from the quests, to the tradeskill recipes. When "the tunnel" was the place to be on a sat afternoon's buying spree.
But what ****ed me off most about the site was after all the players submitting recipes/quests/drops/infos and "guides" loaded the site up nitely, you all cut off all but "paying" subscribers (premium service) to use the very material we as a collective entity had submitted...
Don't think they can do that with some of that data as it uses CCP's data export and they stipulate that it can't be used for commercial purposes. Would mean having to rip out a good portion of the site. Plus the guides are freely available on every other site in eve so who'd pay for something they can get free.
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Awox
I Fought Piranhas
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Marisal
Originally by: Awox
Allakhaza offers nothing that any other EVE fansites already does. So why was this stickied?
There's only a few explanations:
a) IGE & CCP have some arrangement
b) IGE & One of CCP's employees have some arrangement
c) Forum mod who doesn't actually play EVE genuinely thought this site was just what the community needs, or more likely:
c) Forum mod got some incentive to make this site known?
Allakhaza sells out to IGE
The truth about IGE and the gold industry
Please un-sticky and delete this post. I believe this is a scam.
Hate to ***** out the tin foil hats but yuh in effect all this site does is duplicate the useful links list at the top of the eve profession forums. There are plenty of other sites that have gone by in just the past few weeks that were new and fresh and very good. They should have been stickied but havent. An explination by the Mods is required.
I am pleased you at least agree a proper explanation by the mods is required.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
I am pleased you at least agree a proper explanation by the mods is required.
True but 10 iskies says the automated response system kicks in aka, "we do not discuss forum moderation on the forums"
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Awox
I Fought Piranhas
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dekiri
No currency sale adds or anything in that direction
For now.
Originally by: Dekiri
though it is technically part of the IGE business structure.
Coincidence that the board of directors of the holding company that owns IGE buys a website which could be a great advertising tool?
Can you tell me one other reason owning a website like this might be profitable besides advertising revenue?
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Dagny
Caldari
Oldschool
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Posted - 2007.01.09 13:13:00 -
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Thumbs up.
Arguing that getting a sticky in a forum therefore "endorsing gold sales" = one way ticket to retardville. It doesn't matter if Allakhazam is owned by IGE, the Red Cross or Nike - the site is there for information for players (and non-players). Getting a foot into the allakhazam network might bring a positive influx of new players, which should be beneficial.
So, in other words, don't like it? Don't go there. Simple as that.
Kudos to Sham for guiding guides, they are guidelicious.
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Sir Erighan
Caldari
Blue Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.09 13:20:00 -
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Maybe it was stickied because it's one of the few sites, if not only one, that actually have a Revelations Item Database....
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Sir Erighan
Caldari
Blue Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.09 13:20:00 -
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Maybe it was stickied because it's one of the few sites, if not only one, that actually have a Revelations Item Database....
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Marisal
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Posted - 2007.01.09 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Marisal on 09/01/2007 13:33:53
Originally by: Sir Erighan
Maybe it was stickied because it's one of the few sites, if not only one, that actually have a Revelations Item Database....
1. http://eve.grismar.net/wikka.php?wakka=WikiHome
2. http://www.drome.nl/eve/
3. http://eve.battleclinic.com/eve_online/item_database.php
All well know established respected members of the community with uptodate item databases |
Sir Erighan
Caldari
Blue Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.09 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Marisal
Edited by: Marisal on 09/01/2007 13:33:53
Originally by: Sir Erighan
Maybe it was stickied because it's one of the few sites, if not only one, that actually have a Revelations Item Database....
1. http://eve.grismar.net/wikka.php?wakka=WikiHome
2. http://www.drome.nl/eve/
3. http://eve.battleclinic.com/eve_online/item_database.php
All well know established respected members of the community with uptodate item databases
Thanks!
CCP has a lot of catching up to do 
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omghax0r
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Posted - 2007.01.09 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Marisal
Edited by: Marisal on 09/01/2007 13:33:53
Originally by: Sir Erighan
Maybe it was stickied because it's one of the few sites, if not only one, that actually have a Revelations Item Database....
1. http://eve.grismar.net/wikka.php?wakka=WikiHome
2. http://www.drome.nl/eve/
3. http://eve.battleclinic.com/eve_online/item_database.php
All well know established respected members of the community with uptodate item databases
Don't forget http://eve.coldfront.net/db, which had (IIRC) the first public Revelations item db, if only by a couple of hours. ;)
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Marisal
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Posted - 2007.01.09 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: omghax0r
Originally by: Marisal
Edited by: Marisal on 09/01/2007 13:33:53
Originally by: Sir Erighan
Maybe it was stickied because it's one of the few sites, if not only one, that actually have a Revelations Item Database....
1. http://eve.grismar.net/wikka.php?wakka=WikiHome
2. http://www.drome.nl/eve/
3. http://eve.battleclinic.com/eve_online/item_database.php
All well know established respected members of the community with uptodate item databases
Don't forget http://eve.coldfront.net/db, which had (IIRC) the first public Revelations item db, if only by a couple of hours. ;)
Yup sorry bout that my bookmarks are a little messy
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Devil Hanzo
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.09 14:43:00 -
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Posts discussing moderation (like why this post was stickied) should go to [email protected]. Ive removed the posts concerning why the thread was stickied, and if you think it was the wrong decision, you should mail us and tell us why. We wont discuss moderation here since its not allowed by the forum rules.
Now please get back on topic.
King of the Pink Sig - Karl Chroimcer
Its red and very manly! - Devil Hanzo
First sigjack by me ever. - Garthagk
Violet would be even manlier - Conuion Meow
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Marisal
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Posted - 2007.01.09 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Devil Hanzo
Posts discussing moderation (like why this post was stickied) should go to [email protected]. Ive removed the posts concerning why the thread was stickied, and if you think it was the wrong decision, you should mail us and tell us why. We wont discuss moderation here since its not allowed by the forum rules.
Now please get back on topic.
You've also just deleted a number of posts that had nothing to do with the moderation of this thread that contained links to other sites offering similar services that have been around for a long time.
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Twin blade
Minmatar
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.01.09 15:02:00 -
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This is great i used to use it for FF11 when i played and it was alot of help hope it is as good with eve as it was with ff11.
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Devil Hanzo
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.09 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Marisal
Originally by: Devil Hanzo
Posts discussing moderation (like why this post was stickied) should go to [email protected]. Ive removed the posts concerning why the thread was stickied, and if you think it was the wrong decision, you should mail us and tell us why. We wont discuss moderation here since its not allowed by the forum rules.
Now please get back on topic.
You've also just deleted a number of posts that had nothing to do with the moderation of this thread that contained links to other sites offering similar services that have been around for a long time.
The links to other sites were removed since they were part of discussing moderation, and the debate over why this post was stickied. Feel free to repost them again if you just want to share their existence with the rest of the players.
King of the Pink Sig - Karl Chroimcer
Its red and very manly! - Devil Hanzo
First sigjack by me ever. - Garthagk
Violet would be even manlier - Conuion Meow
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