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kenny smith	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:54:00 - [1] Sadly people in the game feel the need to waist my time and many others by logging off when still cloaked! IÆm sure many people have experienced this! Even though you have a point on the weak manÆs ship it disappears in space before your very eyeÆs. This makes taking out a big ship in a gang of small ships impossible unless you have a fleet of small ships capable of taking it down in 1 minute. This happens to me on a daily basis and is getting to me so much I not only have to write this! I feel like leaving the game for something where pvp is possible!!! People logging at ss is fair enough or at least I can see why ccp canÆt make this an exploit but in this case where logging is blatantly being used as an exploit all ccp has to do is make it so once a ship has points on it, it stays for the show!! This has to change or guns may as well be taken from the game!!! Sorry if this sounds angry
Vlad Nitro Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:06:00 - [2] yee this sucks ... as well as all logofski tactics. It is a really really bad part of the game and needs to be stopped. I wish there could be a petition on this ... it would get so so many votes!!
KTOZ Caldari Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:42:00 - [3] Edited by: KTOZ on 10/01/2007 20:40:12 Edited by: KTOZ on 10/01/2007 20:39:47 Originally by: kenny smith Sadly people in the game feel the need to waist my time and many others by logging off when still cloaked! IÆm sure many people have experienced this! Even though you have a point on the weak manÆs ship it disappears in space before your very eyeÆs. This makes taking out a big ship in a gang of small ships impossible unless you have a fleet of small ships capable of taking it down in 1 minute. This happens to me on a daily basis and is getting to me so much I not only have to write this! I feel like leaving the game for something where pvp is possible!!! People logging at ss is fair enough or at least I can see why ccp canÆt make this an exploit but in this case where logging is blatantly being used as an exploit all ccp has to do is make it so once a ship has points on it, it stays for the show!! This has to change or guns may as well be taken from the game!!! Sorry if this sounds angry i totally agree with your point !! happy that every 1 doesnt know that yet... so when u jump into a small ship g8 camp, u can jus log off when cloacked, and your ship will stay cloack for a while and when uncloacked,they wont have the time to kill u.. It's like a "divine" power given by the ccp to u... Its cheeting on game mechanics in "my" opinion...Hope they fix it soon...
Alkirin Gallente Die Hard Mining	Posted - 2007.01.11 03:49:00 - [4] There is already a mechanic in place to counter logoff tactics. If you aren't using it, that is your own fault, and CCP isn't responsible for bringing the people outsmarting you down to your level. [Cogito Ergo Sum Atheios] - Alkirin of Scientia Obscura
Kalamurii Izanthor Soldiers Of Darkness Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.11 05:07:00 - [5] Alkirin, ffs make some sense or stfu. You dont get a timer on your ship if you dont agress, or maybe theres a 1 minute timer. The only time youy get the 15 minute one is when you agress, otherwise, your ship disappears in 1 minute and there nothing anybody with a thousand warp disruptors can do to stop the ship from simply disappearing. CCP, NEEDS to implement a SIMPLE SOLUTION!!!!! WHEN YOU HAVE A SCRAMBLE POINT ON A SHIP THAT HAS LOGGED OFF, IT DOESNT GO ANYWHERE (need enough points to counter wcs)
Kalamurii Izanthor Soldiers Of Darkness Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.11 05:08:00 - [6] Edited by: Kalamurii Izanthor on 11/01/2007 05:04:52 Honestly, THE ONLY people that argue against this are exploiters that use this exploit themselves..
shhmee eeeeee	Posted - 2007.01.11 08:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Kalamurii Izanthor Edited by: Kalamurii Izanthor on 11/01/2007 05:04:52 Honestly, THE ONLY people that argue against this are exploiters that use this exploit themselves.. Exactly mate this post was started because i had the unfortunate Experience of a mega logging at the sight of my huggin and an eso after a 6 jump chase by 1 of are tacklers (he even had a stab fitted) or he would have been tackled to start with! He then logs an alt on in the same sys and explains how he is not ashamed of logging when he knows heÆs out gunned! I am truly saddened by this increasing trend where people find this kind of thing acceptable.
KTOZ Caldari Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:23:00 - [8] And it happened again... so whats the point to fit a warp distrupter on?? Its really dissapointing when you wait for minutes/hours for a nice target and thats heppens. Sometimes you just want to log off for some days...
Sol Flare Caldari The White Star Consortium Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:31:00 - [9] Originally by: KTOZ so when u jump into a small ship g8 camp, u can jus log off when cloacked, and your ship will stay cloack for a while and when uncloacked,they wont have the time to kill u.. This hits the nail on the head... CCP does have some PVP timer in place that if ANYONE aggresses on a person a 15m timer will start. Ship will stay in space until that timer has ran out. The problem lies in the gate jump logoff. When someone jumps through a gate and sees a camp, they can logoff while cloaked and escape with out a scratch. Not even a merlin fitted with two sensor boosters can lock a domi in time before it warps off (WOULD LOVE TO INSERT PLAYER'S NAME HERE... not sure on the ruling of that so I'll play it safe). Thus the timer never gets started if in fact it ever would get started due to the user is already flagged as offline by the time the ship uncloaks and is warping. All I ask... is if a logoff occurs after a gate jump or while cloaked, then the ship should uncloak for 2 seconds before attempting a warp out. CCP states that if the ship is scrammed/disrupted then the ship will not warp off. If the user logged off in a well organized gate camp, then there should be tacklers that can scram the ship before it exits. Even the playing field so to say. If the user has a real connection drop and not in a gate camp then the 2 second penalty will not be enough for someone JUST warping in to have a free kill. So this adds some protection to the occasional drop, while also penalizing those that use this tactic. If I had it my way... In bubble -> no warp, If scrammed -> no warp, If player engaged -> no warp.... But I'm willing to compromise if tacklers can get the ship between the uncloak and the logoff warp. As it stands now... There is NO WAY to catch someone logging off at a gate after jumping into system. If there is... I would love to know what I haven't tried yet!
shhmee eeeeee	Posted - 2007.01.12 01:30:00 - [10] If I had it my way... In bubble -> no warp, If scrammed -> no warp, You can scramble there ship, BUT it will disappear in thin air after 1 minute. I suppose the speed to which it despairs relates to exactly how fast they make the choice to log compared to there 1 min of cloak! I first became aware of this exploit when people would log off to escape interdiction spheres, the spheres would then have no effect (rendering the interdictor useless)! These people then log on and off repeatedly, until when they finally do log back they are miles from the gate and happy haha!! This is the only answer I hate to be here *****ing but I can't waist hours on end looking for a target only to have them choose if they die or not!!! The fun of the game is the unexpected, the ability for someone else to change your day!!! With warp to 0, scan probes hard to find mission runners in low sec and now the sick your head in the sand and survive technique! The game becomes less about chance, survival and cunning, and more about we might 1 day get a fight (that is if every body is ok with it??!) hang on IÆll just npc for a few more days and get back to ya!
Laboratus Gallente BGG	Posted - 2007.01.12 09:37:00 - [11] Logoffski is annoying but it is better than the alternative. For those who have a RL and really have to go, should not be penalised in game for doing so. Hence, logoffski is better than gameaddictski. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Sargeant HAmmer Caldari Star Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.12 10:33:00 - [12] the warp on log was implemented because of dodgy internet connections. It was designed to stop petitions about your ship being blown up because you lost your net connection. it might be a bug that your ships modules stay active when in space when you log off and on quickly but if your capable of it why not? if you ask me if you have a ship that can warp and cloak why not. if not then it should uncloak you as you start to warp.
Shimmia Shamms	Posted - 2007.01.21 14:11:00 - [13] Edited by: Shimmia Shamms on 21/01/2007 14:07:54 Logging off = I win.
Viront	Posted - 2007.01.21 14:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Alkirin There is already a mechanic in place to counter logoff tactics. If you aren't using it, that is your own fault, and CCP isn't responsible for bringing the people outsmarting you down to your level. Funny that we should use mechanics to counter it when loggoff tactics aren't a built in tactic anyway.
Lexxara	Posted - 2007.01.21 18:10:00 - [15] i agree, there should be a cool down time after every combat action, before you can logoff. although i don't know how you could handle server crashes(however rare) or unintentional disconnects. even if you built in something to tell manual and accedental disconnections apart, i'm sure someone would write a program to disconect eve at the push of a button and trick it into thinking it was an unintentional dissconection.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.21 19:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Laboratus Logoffski is annoying but it is better than the alternative. For those who have a RL and really have to go, should not be penalised in game for doing so. Hence, logoffski is better than gameaddictski. How often u get rl stuff right after jumping into large bubble camp ? How often u get mandatory immediant attention rl stuff after getting engaged ? How often ppl logoff to save theyr asses ? I think ratio will be acceptable. ----------------- Flamedrone II belonging to Valandril perfectly strikes you, wrecking your topic. Ingame petition belonging to eXceed Inc. slaps you for lol damage.
Christopher Dalran	Posted - 2007.01.22 19:02:00 - [17] Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 22/01/2007 19:01:27 Nobody has said the real problem yet, yes someone can logoff and their ship will warp away, if it does it does not go far so drop a probe and scan and you can find them and destroy them in plenty of time. The real problem lies in the fact that you can only have one active character per account at any one time, while this sounds good the problem is that when you log in with another character the other character immediatle despawns to satisfy the condition that you can only have one active pilot per account at any one time. If someone logsoff and then immediatly logs back in with another character on that same account than even if you are still shooting at them their ship will simply disappear. Not a warp out, Not a cloak, they simply despawn even with the 15 timer. Freighters do this ALL the time and there is virtually NO chance to pop them before they can log back in with another char on the same account.
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2007.01.22 20:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 22/01/2007 19:01:27 Nobody has said the real problem yet, yes someone can logoff and their ship will warp away, if it does it does not go far so drop a probe and scan and you can find them and destroy them in plenty of time. The real problem lies in the fact that you can only have one active character per account at any one time, while this sounds good the problem is that when you log in with another character the other character immediatle despawns to satisfy the condition that you can only have one active pilot per account at any one time. If someone logsoff and then immediatly logs back in with another character on that same account than even if you are still shooting at them their ship will simply disappear. Not a warp out, Not a cloak, they simply despawn even with the 15 timer. Freighters do this ALL the time and there is virtually NO chance to pop them before they can log back in with another char on the same account. So it can be even worse . That sounds bad.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.22 20:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Kalamurii Izanthor Edited by: Kalamurii Izanthor on 11/01/2007 05:04:52 Honestly, THE ONLY people that argue against this are exploiters that use this exploit themselves.. Nice debating trick to stop everyone to disagree with you. Exactly on the same level of using log off tactics. First: the 15 minutes timer is in function if you aggress or are aggressed, before disconnecting. Second: until CCP don't find a system to detect honest disconnects from logoff, nothing can be implemented to block the disapparence of disconnettted ships. Third: untill the game is so bug free to avoid unmotivated DC, it is better not to tamper with a system put in play to avoid loss for uncontrollable loss of signal. Even with the current system it happens too often that the system don't detect da loss of signal, happened two times today (passing a gate in 0.5, and ratting, again in 0.5, nothing to do with PvP). Loosing a ship because the signal is garbled, or because some stupid hacker decide to ping my PC 10 times in 1 second and freeze EVE is nothing I would enjoy.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.22 21:07:00 - [20] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 22/01/2007 21:03:34 Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 22/01/2007 19:01:27 Nobody has said the real problem yet, yes someone can logoff and their ship will warp away, if it does it does not go far so drop a probe and scan and you can find them and destroy them in plenty of time. The real problem lies in the fact that you can only have one active character per account at any one time, while this sounds good the problem is that when you log in with another character the other character immediatle despawns to satisfy the condition that you can only have one active pilot per account at any one time. If someone logsoff and then immediatly logs back in with another character on that same account than even if you are still shooting at them their ship will simply disappear. Not a warp out, Not a cloak, they simply despawn even with the 15 timer. Freighters do this ALL the time and there is virtually NO chance to pop them before they can log back in with another char on the same account. 1) DEV say they have tested this and it is not true; 2) what kind of set up you will have to log in in less than 2 minutes? EVE is a bit slow to start (and I haven't tons of bookmarks)
Majutsu Caldari	Posted - 2007.01.23 10:14:00 - [21] It's all well and good us all moaning about this but does anyone actually have a better solution? I know I'm not the only one who gets game disconnects and CTD's, I've lost 3 ships now where I've ctd'd and for some reason didn't emergency warp. Usually I can log back in straight away but why should I lose more ships because of pc/network problems outside of my control. I'd love it if people were unable to use logoff as a tactic, but there needs to be a solution that also doesn't penalise genuine disconnects, and as yet I still haven't heard one.
BigWhale Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Valandril How often u get rl stuff right after jumping into large bubble camp ? How often u get mandatory immediant attention rl stuff after getting engaged ? With my two kids randomly waking up while I'm playing? Dunno, it happened that I had to log off five times in 20 minutes. So now I shouldn't play? :) Quote: How often ppl logoff to save theyr asses ? I think ratio will be acceptable. I logged off once, actually it was today. And it was more like because I was playing at work, not to save my ass, I know how the game works. 2 minutes later I came back and let myself get podded. :) I could have waited few hours and it would save me a clone and more than a dozen jumps.
Hammering Hank Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.21 21:03:00 - [23] Edited by: Hammering Hank on 21/02/2007 22:54:05 I have an idea of how to end the "Logofski" and maintain the game's enjoyment. My idea is to make only the POD dissapear when a player logs off, not the ship. Once a ship is manufactured, it is in the game until reprocessed, destroyed, or otherwise dismantled. This is the base idea, and getting this to work will require a few changes. So let me expand. The way I see this working is as follows: 1) When a player logs off in a Station, nothing changes and the ship remains in the station hanger. 2) When a player logs off in a Corporate Hanger array in their POS, the ship stays in the Hanger. If the POS is destroyed while the ship is docked, the ship becomes part of the loot or is destroyed with the POS. When the player logs in again, his POD appears in the ship if it is still there or in space if the ship has been looted or destroyed. 3) When a player logs off in space: a) if the ship is in open space with no other ships in the same grid, the ship stays parked b) if the ship is in the bubble of a POS, it is considered to in the POS and stays parked c) if the ship is in open space with other ships in the same grid, it warps to a random location d) if the player is engaged in open conflict, the ship attempts to warp out to a random location, NO EMERGENCY WARP OUT. 4) Some mechanics need to be introduced / changed when the ship is in open space: a) Introduce a maintainance group with fees (grimlins maybe?) i) if ship has a cloak fitted, the player activates the cloak before the log off. A small fee is charged to keep the cap up during the log off. If another ship passes withen 2k, the cloak diactivates as normal. However, it reactivates as soon as the other ship moves over 2k away. ii) if no cloak, a higher fee is paid for the ship to be warped to a random spot everytime another ship enters the same grid. iii) a even higher fee is paid to have a combination of the two. A cloaked ship warps when another ship enters the same grid. Of if the ship can't warp while cloaked, it warps when another ship gets within 2k of if and then reactivates the cloak at the new location (of course, this assumes the ship is not scrambled). b) Activate a dialog box if there are ships in the same grip (even for CTRL-Q), and a much bigger warning if the ship is targetted or aggroed (spelling?) Strategies introduced: When a player logs off, they know their ship will not "dissapear". If the Corporate Hanger Array is not big enough for some capital ships, maybe an adjustment needs to be made or a new array introduced. Maybe introduce a shipyard array with protections the capital ships, or introduce the ability to set the capital ships on autopilot to become part of the POS defense system. The scouting of systems becomes even more part of PvP, as players will be able to seek out abandoned ships to attempt to kill, loot, and possibly steal (scramble, web, and NOS until it can't move). When the ship's owner re-enters the game, he is left in his POD and must get to one of his other ships or risk being podded. This is a little more realistic, as a ship should not appear where a POS once stood. If the player gets disconnected while engaged and the ship can't warp out before it is destroyed, file a petition as the loss was due to a connection or node fault, not as part of the game. At least your POD is saved. (T)Hank(s)
Andreya	Posted - 2007.02.22 01:35:00 - [24] /signed, i strictly pvp in this game, (in a sabre) but with all these epoeple logging off in my bubbles now i just simply got stressed out and barely play eve anymore (untill istabs and bubbles/loggoffs are fixed) please get on the ball ccp. i loved this game. but now i have no interest in it cause everythings broken
Terazuk Amarr FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.22 02:51:00 - [25] Edited by: Terazuk on 22/02/2007 02:53:20 Edited by: Terazuk on 22/02/2007 02:52:56 For cowardly PvPers the solution is really quite simple, make the fitting requirements for Scan Probe Launchers much much much much lower... enable them to be must have items for any combat or even PvE player to be able to fit to their ship. As it stands currently attempting to fit either of the Probe Launchers renders your ship utterly useless, even battleships are completely gimped by the req's. This would mean logoffski pilots would pay every time, and the scan probe pilot gets to actually DO some shooting and perhaps stay around for the fight! As for whining about not getting that freighter full of goodies because he logoffskis then learn to tackle you silly piwat! -~- Take the above post seriously at your peril -~-
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.22 04:06:00 - [26] signed all the way
Typhado3 Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.22 06:06:00 - [27] /signed My Opinions are my own, not my corp's, not my friend's, and not my pet fedo's
Miss Mickey	Posted - 2007.02.22 09:37:00 - [28] Ok, how about something better, rather than changing logoff mechanics, When you jump into a system, you spawn 1AU randomly from the gate. Better? You probably don't think so, because now that ruins your easy-mode "PvP" gate camp. Perhaps if you weren't spending all day camping gates looking for easy kills, you wouldn't be having people logoff on you and "wasting" your time.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.22 13:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Miss Mickey Ok, how about something better, rather than changing logoff mechanics, When you jump into a system, you spawn 1AU randomly from the gate. Better? You probably don't think so, because now that ruins your easy-mode "PvP" gate camp. Perhaps if you weren't spending all day camping gates looking for easy kills, you wouldn't be having people logoff on you and "wasting" your time. You will never catch a hauler carrying the holy grail in an asteroid belt so stfu plz k thnx bye Never again are you allowed to complain about not training for combat
Kilostream Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.27 20:21:00 - [30] Edited by: Kilostream on 27/02/2007 20:20:21 Originally by: Christopher Dalran Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 22/01/2007 19:01:27 Nobody has said the real problem yet, yes someone can logoff and their ship will warp away, if it does it does not go far so drop a probe and scan and you can find them and destroy them in plenty of time. The real problem lies in the fact that you can only have one active character per account at any one time, while this sounds good the problem is that when you log in with another character the other character immediatle despawns to satisfy the condition that you can only have one active pilot per account at any one time. If someone logsoff and then immediatly logs back in with another character on that same account than even if you are still shooting at them their ship will simply disappear. Not a warp out, Not a cloak, they simply despawn even with the 15 timer. Freighters do this ALL the time and there is virtually NO chance to pop them before they can log back in with another char on the same account. That is a load of rubbish: We use cyno alts for moving capitals, and I can assure you this does not happen - you jump carrier into alt, and dock - then log in next cyno alt (on same account as the alt you just jumped to). Undock carrier and jump into next cyno - outside station you still have the old cyno alt - if what you were saying was true, it would have despawned when the next cyno alt was logged in.

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